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so did you take a lucky guess marv or did you actually find something this game? I believe this is the first game ever you were able to read me correctly with confidence out of like 10 games (not sure how many weve played together at this point)
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On April 09 2015 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
so did you take a lucky guess marv or did you actually find something this game? I believe this is the first game ever you were able to read me correctly with confidence out of like 10 games (not sure how many weve played together at this point)
I do indeed have a poor history of reading you. But I'm always learning... with some it takes longer :p
Originally I had you leaning mafia because your play was too dull and sensible, there was nothing creative or interesting, but I wasn't sure.
But then your reaction to me was atrocious and you were very likely mafia from that point. Almost don't know how you could have reacted worse lol
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Blazinghand
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I definitely enjoyed the fact that marv had a red check on VA, I knew he did, it was pretty clear that it was true, and somehow the lynch never happened.
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Ill talk about this more when the podcast happens, but the Dungeon Master was originally going to be a lot more complicated, Like we're talking more complicated than Red/Blue.
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On April 08 2015 17:01 phagga wrote:JAT, I was surprised you gave your death mask to ObiWanShinobi. You didn't trust your own red check on Vayne, you didn't trust BH's red check on Vayne (which was legit, despite BH being mafia), but you trusted the greencheck on Obi although it said in LS role PM that the checks might have been tempered with? That didn't make any sense to me. Well, it was fun cohosting and watching this game, thanks everyone for playing 
On April 08 2015 18:46 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 17:33 Keirathi wrote:On April 08 2015 17:01 phagga wrote:
JAT, I was surprised you gave your death mask to ObiWanShinobi. You didn't trust your own red check on Vayne, you didn't trust BH's red check on Vayne (which was legit, despite BH being mafia), but you trusted the greencheck on Obi although it said in LS role PM that the checks might have been tempered with? That didn't make any sense to me. Even now that we know VA and OWS were both scum, I would *STILL* argue that we played that situation right. The redcheck on VA meant absolutely nothing without any way to confirm the target. 0. Zip. Nada. It was basically saying "There is a scum in this game." And knowing whether marv checked VA or not completely changed the result of JATs check. From a statistical standpoint, I would even argue that it was very, very unlikely that LS's check hit a frame target. It's hard to quantify it mathematically since we obviously aren't just dealing with randoming someone out of the player list, but in all the time that I've played mafia, I could probably count the number of times that a cop check has hit a frame target on one hand. It's easy to sit back and say "gosh you played that badly" from the sidelines when you know the correct answer, but I don't think the way we handled that was bad at all. I understand that JAT did not trust the red checks in a chaotic game like this. But then why does he trust a green check? And I don't mean "ok that guy is possibly town, if that check was framed we can still deal with him later"-trust, because that I can understand. But "here, take my vigi-and-protection-item"-trust? And in a PM game where everyone shares details about what they are doing with several people, mafia has an easier time framing the right person. Shinobi was under pressure from kita/jat (according to scumQT, 268) and therefore they assumed that he would be checked that night, hence the frame. I just wanted to point it out because it was a single decision by one person that had quite an impact on the game (VE got killed instead of potentially a mafia, leading to 5-5-1 instead of 6-4-1 on D4). I know its easier from the sidelines. There are a lot of other actions I don't understand, but I know myself that things are different if you know nothing about the game. Who knows what I would have done in that situation.
You don't seem to realize what was actually the situation. There was no redcheck on anyone. The only thing we knew is that marv redchecked someone but not who so your whole argumentation here is pretty irritating for me.
I "trusted" the green check because at that point in the game we had already almost lost and even though there were people that I thought were much townier they had abilities that I wanted them to use that night while Obi didn't. If the check on Obi was wrong then we would have probably lost to that at some point anyways so I just gambled on that one.
I knew something was up when he refused to cooperate in the end but it was too late then.
I don't remember telling Onegu to trust Obi (maybe I did and forgot), I told him that he had my items because he wanted to work with the person that had them.
And your claim bashing is completely unwarranted. That was absolutely correct and with a few more claims this game could have went very differently. Like Kita said they almost solved the game and it is not like scum got much information since noone of them was involved in the pm circles. I shared almost 0 information with anyone of the scumteam in this game. The people I shared my stuff with were ALL town.
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On April 08 2015 17:41 marvellosity wrote:why didn't you fuckers just kill VA for me? 
I tried to dayvig him. We tried to lynch him day2.
On April 08 2015 19:12 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure that we would have lynched VA if the day didn't get shortened.
This.
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On April 09 2015 04:01 justanothertownie wrote:
I knew something was up when he refused to cooperate in the end but it was too late then.
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On April 09 2015 04:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 17:01 phagga wrote:JAT, I was surprised you gave your death mask to ObiWanShinobi. You didn't trust your own red check on Vayne, you didn't trust BH's red check on Vayne (which was legit, despite BH being mafia), but you trusted the greencheck on Obi although it said in LS role PM that the checks might have been tempered with? That didn't make any sense to me. Well, it was fun cohosting and watching this game, thanks everyone for playing Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 18:46 phagga wrote:On April 08 2015 17:33 Keirathi wrote:On April 08 2015 17:01 phagga wrote:
JAT, I was surprised you gave your death mask to ObiWanShinobi. You didn't trust your own red check on Vayne, you didn't trust BH's red check on Vayne (which was legit, despite BH being mafia), but you trusted the greencheck on Obi although it said in LS role PM that the checks might have been tempered with? That didn't make any sense to me. Even now that we know VA and OWS were both scum, I would *STILL* argue that we played that situation right. The redcheck on VA meant absolutely nothing without any way to confirm the target. 0. Zip. Nada. It was basically saying "There is a scum in this game." And knowing whether marv checked VA or not completely changed the result of JATs check. From a statistical standpoint, I would even argue that it was very, very unlikely that LS's check hit a frame target. It's hard to quantify it mathematically since we obviously aren't just dealing with randoming someone out of the player list, but in all the time that I've played mafia, I could probably count the number of times that a cop check has hit a frame target on one hand. It's easy to sit back and say "gosh you played that badly" from the sidelines when you know the correct answer, but I don't think the way we handled that was bad at all. I understand that JAT did not trust the red checks in a chaotic game like this. But then why does he trust a green check? And I don't mean "ok that guy is possibly town, if that check was framed we can still deal with him later"-trust, because that I can understand. But "here, take my vigi-and-protection-item"-trust? And in a PM game where everyone shares details about what they are doing with several people, mafia has an easier time framing the right person. Shinobi was under pressure from kita/jat (according to scumQT, 268) and therefore they assumed that he would be checked that night, hence the frame. I just wanted to point it out because it was a single decision by one person that had quite an impact on the game (VE got killed instead of potentially a mafia, leading to 5-5-1 instead of 6-4-1 on D4). I know its easier from the sidelines. There are a lot of other actions I don't understand, but I know myself that things are different if you know nothing about the game. Who knows what I would have done in that situation. You don't seem to realize what was actually the situation. There was no redcheck on anyone. The only thing we knew is that marv redchecked someone but not who so your whole argumentation here is pretty irritating for me. I "trusted" the green check because at that point in the game we had already almost lost and even though there were people that I thought were much townier they had abilities that I wanted them to use that night while Obi didn't. If the check on Obi was wrong then we would have probably lost to that at some point anyways so I just gambled on that one. I knew something was up when he refused to cooperate in the end but it was too late then. I don't remember telling Onegu to trust Obi (maybe I did and forgot), I told him that he had my items because he wanted to work with the person that had them. And your claim bashing is completely unwarranted. That was absolutely correct and with a few more claims this game could have went very differently. Like Kita said they almost solved the game and it is not like scum got much information since noone of them was involved in the pm circles. I shared almost 0 information with anyone of the scumteam in this game. The people I shared my stuff with were ALL town.
I'm not claim bashing. I'm not saying all claims were stupid. But claiming DT day 1 in thread is clearly suboptimal play. There is no problem in claiming your abilities in a limited way (as you seem to have done it), but there is no need to freely give out information without reason (as some people have done it).
And you never openly claim your rolename without very good reason, because scum will have an ability to snipe you with it (as it happened in this game).
Basically, keep town on a need-to-know basis.
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On April 09 2015 04:25 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 04:01 justanothertownie wrote:On April 08 2015 17:01 phagga wrote:JAT, I was surprised you gave your death mask to ObiWanShinobi. You didn't trust your own red check on Vayne, you didn't trust BH's red check on Vayne (which was legit, despite BH being mafia), but you trusted the greencheck on Obi although it said in LS role PM that the checks might have been tempered with? That didn't make any sense to me. Well, it was fun cohosting and watching this game, thanks everyone for playing On April 08 2015 18:46 phagga wrote:On April 08 2015 17:33 Keirathi wrote:On April 08 2015 17:01 phagga wrote:
JAT, I was surprised you gave your death mask to ObiWanShinobi. You didn't trust your own red check on Vayne, you didn't trust BH's red check on Vayne (which was legit, despite BH being mafia), but you trusted the greencheck on Obi although it said in LS role PM that the checks might have been tempered with? That didn't make any sense to me. Even now that we know VA and OWS were both scum, I would *STILL* argue that we played that situation right. The redcheck on VA meant absolutely nothing without any way to confirm the target. 0. Zip. Nada. It was basically saying "There is a scum in this game." And knowing whether marv checked VA or not completely changed the result of JATs check. From a statistical standpoint, I would even argue that it was very, very unlikely that LS's check hit a frame target. It's hard to quantify it mathematically since we obviously aren't just dealing with randoming someone out of the player list, but in all the time that I've played mafia, I could probably count the number of times that a cop check has hit a frame target on one hand. It's easy to sit back and say "gosh you played that badly" from the sidelines when you know the correct answer, but I don't think the way we handled that was bad at all. I understand that JAT did not trust the red checks in a chaotic game like this. But then why does he trust a green check? And I don't mean "ok that guy is possibly town, if that check was framed we can still deal with him later"-trust, because that I can understand. But "here, take my vigi-and-protection-item"-trust? And in a PM game where everyone shares details about what they are doing with several people, mafia has an easier time framing the right person. Shinobi was under pressure from kita/jat (according to scumQT, 268) and therefore they assumed that he would be checked that night, hence the frame. I just wanted to point it out because it was a single decision by one person that had quite an impact on the game (VE got killed instead of potentially a mafia, leading to 5-5-1 instead of 6-4-1 on D4). I know its easier from the sidelines. There are a lot of other actions I don't understand, but I know myself that things are different if you know nothing about the game. Who knows what I would have done in that situation. You don't seem to realize what was actually the situation. There was no redcheck on anyone. The only thing we knew is that marv redchecked someone but not who so your whole argumentation here is pretty irritating for me. I "trusted" the green check because at that point in the game we had already almost lost and even though there were people that I thought were much townier they had abilities that I wanted them to use that night while Obi didn't. If the check on Obi was wrong then we would have probably lost to that at some point anyways so I just gambled on that one. I knew something was up when he refused to cooperate in the end but it was too late then. I don't remember telling Onegu to trust Obi (maybe I did and forgot), I told him that he had my items because he wanted to work with the person that had them. And your claim bashing is completely unwarranted. That was absolutely correct and with a few more claims this game could have went very differently. Like Kita said they almost solved the game and it is not like scum got much information since noone of them was involved in the pm circles. I shared almost 0 information with anyone of the scumteam in this game. The people I shared my stuff with were ALL town. I'm not claim bashing. I'm not saying all claims were stupid. But claiming DT day 1 in thread is clearly suboptimal play. There is no problem in claiming your abilities in a limited way (as you seem to have done it), but there is no need to freely give out information without reason (as some people have done it). And you never openly claim your rolename without very good reason, because scum will have an ability to snipe you with it (as it happened in this game). Basically, keep town on a need-to-know basis.
Yes, LS obviously did not have to claim (telling claimed 3p about anything is also something that's incredibly stupid) but that's basically it. If there is an obvious, basically confirmed townie coordinating everything then fucking claim to him.
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