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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 29 2015 19:18 GMT
#1801
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?


no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e)

he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......?

i don't get it at all
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 19:19 GMT
#1802
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?

Wait what? Since when am I your scum read, and why?

Last thing you said about me was "I'm probably going to vote keir for warrior".
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 29 2015 19:19 GMT
#1803
On March 30 2015 04:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:
First things first, I'm starting anew. None of this Kita/BH stuff.

Second things seconds, we are 100% killing Trefl tomorrow.

He posted his scum-case on Sicklucker...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808
On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
...
sicklucker

It's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is.
On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor
Why would sicklucker do this?
  • As town, sicklucker's claim is intended to get a confirmed town (himself) on the adventuring party. Another possibility is that he actually has extremely strong powers, and wants to ensure that he survives. It is possible that he did this for both of these motives.
  • As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.
And the explanation for this play from town!sicklucker makes no sense.

Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 28 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote:
0 votes on me a confirmed town. Ya ok
On March 28 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote:
If i knew this was gonna be a popularity contest and not a give it to a town contest I probably wouldnt have claimed
On March 28 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote:
You guys better at least make me the cleric or ill question your intelligence.

And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself.

Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed.
On March 28 2015 10:55 sicklucker wrote:
Rsoutin im never nked ever. Like ever I been nked once ever and it was in your first newbie game. im not going to be nked in a 27 player game. Not ever
So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him.

In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective.


... in which he makes a fairly reasonable post wrapping up why sicklucker is "mafia."

However in his next post is what makes me want to lynch him:
On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.

I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.

For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.

##vote Holyflare

I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.

As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet.


He wants to lynch sicklucker because he's 3rd party. That's a big nono. Mafia want to lynch 3rd parties. Town generally are looking for mafia first. It doesn't help that the rest of his post is basically summary and non-committal reads on LS, myself, and HtS.


"town are generally looking for mafia"
"in the first post trfel concludes that sicklucker is mafia"

what hapa? didn't sl claim 3p after trfel made that post?


Yes, and that doesn't invalidate the point. Being super comfortable iwth a 3p lynch more alligns with mafia objectives than town ones.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 29 2015 19:20 GMT
#1804
Also HF, you need to chill. I can't read a 90 page game in 15 minutes.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 29 2015 19:21 GMT
#1805
On March 30 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?


no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e)

he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......?

i don't get it at all


I don't really know hapa, but you tend to do that thing where makes no sense = mafia, when some people just make no sense sometimes. does hapa normally make sense?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
March 29 2015 19:21 GMT
#1806
On March 30 2015 03:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 03:48 Onegu wrote:
But why are you stepping off of it HF?

explain to me why you ask this.



Because I find it odd he doesn't want warrior anymore...
Try TL Mafia!!!
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
March 29 2015 19:22 GMT
#1807
On March 30 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?


no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e)

he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......?

i don't get it at all


Mmm.
Retired.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 29 2015 19:24 GMT
#1808
OWS, if I was gonna give you free stuff, who should I take off my list in your place?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 29 2015 19:24 GMT
#1809
On March 30 2015 04:21 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?


no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e)

he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......?

i don't get it at all


I don't really know hapa, but you tend to do that thing where makes no sense = mafia, when some people just make no sense sometimes. does hapa normally make sense?


yes? i'll let him do more stuff first though
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
March 29 2015 19:26 GMT
#1810
On March 30 2015 04:19 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?

Wait what? Since when am I your scum read, and why?

Last thing you said about me was "I'm probably going to vote keir for warrior".


I asked HF about this earlier and I said I'd look into it. You've mostly dropped off after a reasonably good early day 1 and only came back to talk about either irrelevant stuff or you've discussed things that never got followed up on.

I remember you talking about LS and asking why we wanted to lynch him, but you never got an answer and never seemed to really care about it.

Then you only really showed up to talk about roles.

There are definitely other people I'd lynch first, but it seemed like you started out really strong and then kind of fell off, which is what I'd kind of expect after JoaT.
Retired.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
March 29 2015 19:26 GMT
#1811
I already told you guys why slam is 99% town.

Again I need to be cleric.
Try TL Mafia!!!
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
March 29 2015 19:27 GMT
#1812
On March 30 2015 04:21 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?


no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e)

he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......?

i don't get it at all


I don't really know hapa, but you tend to do that thing where makes no sense = mafia, when some people just make no sense sometimes. does hapa normally make sense?

Yes, definitely.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
March 29 2015 19:27 GMT
#1813
On March 30 2015 04:24 ritoky wrote:
OWS, if I was gonna give you free stuff, who should I take off my list in your place?


Don't you have 11 things to give away?
Retired.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
March 29 2015 19:30 GMT
#1814
On March 30 2015 04:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Also HF, you need to chill. I can't read a 90 page game in 15 minutes.


Can you let us know when you are caught up? Thanks.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 29 2015 19:31 GMT
#1815
I feel as if I'm being ignored.

Meh.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 29 2015 19:31 GMT
#1816
On March 30 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?


no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e)

he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......?

i don't get it at all


Also, it's worth commenting that Trefel isn't "hard town-reading LS". The statement "I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum" does not sounds like a strong town read.

Furthermore, you're not really understanding what I"m trying to say about Trefl in general. Sicklucker post was good on its own. Paired with the 2nd, it is bad.

He calls sicklucker mafia, as well as a couple of other people. Instead of developing his other reads when sicklucker claims 3p, he gets super comfortable with lynching sicklucker. That 'aint good.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 19:31 GMT
#1817
On March 30 2015 04:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 04:19 Keirathi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?

Wait what? Since when am I your scum read, and why?

Last thing you said about me was "I'm probably going to vote keir for warrior".


I asked HF about this earlier and I said I'd look into it. You've mostly dropped off after a reasonably good early day 1 and only came back to talk about either irrelevant stuff or you've discussed things that never got followed up on.

I remember you talking about LS and asking why we wanted to lynch him, but you never got an answer and never seemed to really care about it.

Then you only really showed up to talk about roles.

There are definitely other people I'd lynch first, but it seemed like you started out really strong and then kind of fell off, which is what I'd kind of expect after JoaT.

There's a huge difference. I've already put in way more effort here than I did in the entirety of JOAT. And besides that, the "strong start" from JoaT was all during night 1. I basically had like 10 posts in all of day 1.

The drop off in activity can simply be explained by the fact that I didn't have to work Friday night, and I did last night.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 29 2015 19:32 GMT
#1818
On March 30 2015 04:31 yamato77 wrote:
I feel as if I'm being ignored.

Meh.


well it's hard to talk to you when you don't say anything with any content in it
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 29 2015 19:32 GMT
#1819
Yo Hapa, am I scum? Gogo.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
March 29 2015 19:34 GMT
#1820
Btw rit, if I had to give you an answer I'd say get rid of Onegu.

If nothing else because I've done more than him. :D
Retired.
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