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First things first, I'm starting anew. None of this Kita/BH stuff.
Second things seconds, we are 100% killing Trefl tomorrow.
He posted his scum-case on Sicklucker...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808
On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:... sickluckerIt's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is. Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor Why would sicklucker do this? - As town, sicklucker's claim is intended to get a confirmed town (himself) on the adventuring party. Another possibility is that he actually has extremely strong powers, and wants to ensure that he survives. It is possible that he did this for both of these motives.
- As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.
And the explanation for this play from town!sicklucker makes no sense. Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following: + Show Spoiler +On March 28 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote:
0 votes on me a confirmed town. Ya ok On March 28 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote:
If i knew this was gonna be a popularity contest and not a give it to a town contest I probably wouldnt have claimed On March 28 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote:
You guys better at least make me the cleric or ill question your intelligence. And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself. Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed. Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 10:55 sicklucker wrote:
Rsoutin im never nked ever. Like ever I been nked once ever and it was in your first newbie game. im not going to be nked in a 27 player game. Not ever So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him. In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective.
... in which he makes a fairly reasonable post wrapping up why sicklucker is "mafia."
However in his next post is what makes me want to lynch him:
On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.
I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.
For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.
##vote Holyflare
I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.
As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................
I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet.
He wants to lynch sicklucker because he's 3rd party. That's a big nono. Mafia want to lynch 3rd parties. Town generally are looking for mafia first. It doesn't help that the rest of his post is basically summary and non-committal reads on LS, myself, and HtS.
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On March 30 2015 04:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.
really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain. why not sicklucker by that same logic?
because sicklucker claimed vet, which I TR him for now for, but he didn't claim the name of his role. as you can see from me and ls roles have names. no name = not enuf for a vote.
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Vote Count:
yamato77 (1): WaveofShadow
Blazinghand (0): Onegu, Koshi
Holyflare (4): VisceraEyes, Snarfs, VayneAuthority, Koshi, Trfel
VayneAuthority (1): Koshi, Holyflare, Sepulchre
VisceraEyes (1): Onegu
Onegu (1): VisceraEyes
ritoky (2): sicklucker, batsnacks
Chezitwo (0): Snarfs
rsoultin (4): ExO_, Holyflare, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi
Koshi (2): rsoultin, Chezitwo
LightningStrike (1): ritoky
Not Voting (10): justanothertownie, Keirathi, LightningStrike, Alakaslam, Crossfire99, HalftheSky, Hapahauli, Blazinghand, yamato77, kitaman27,
Currently Holyflare is set to be elected as the fighter.
Currently rsoultin is set to be elected as the rogue.
Currently ritoky is set to be elected as the cleric.
Day 1 ends in on Sunday, Mar 29 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Reminder: You may not vote for yourself. Voting is Mandatory
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On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.
really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain.
This is a greymist themed game. mafia are *ALWAYS* given safeclaims. and everyone is a role. being "un-cc'd" means absolutely nothing. "Counterclaim" doesn't even make *SENSE* in the context of this game.
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On March 30 2015 04:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.
really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain. Basically everyone is a role in this game. Bad reason.
I think I have played 1 greymist game ever. Would greymist make Jim Gordon (a paragon of good) into an evil cop?
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On March 30 2015 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:First things first, I'm starting anew. None of this Kita/BH stuff. Second things seconds, we are 100% killing Trefl tomorrow.He posted his scum-case on Sicklucker... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:... sickluckerIt's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is. On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor Why would sicklucker do this? - As town, sicklucker's claim is intended to get a confirmed town (himself) on the adventuring party. Another possibility is that he actually has extremely strong powers, and wants to ensure that he survives. It is possible that he did this for both of these motives.
- As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.
And the explanation for this play from town!sicklucker makes no sense. Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following: + Show Spoiler +On March 28 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote:
0 votes on me a confirmed town. Ya ok On March 28 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote:
If i knew this was gonna be a popularity contest and not a give it to a town contest I probably wouldnt have claimed On March 28 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote:
You guys better at least make me the cleric or ill question your intelligence. And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself. Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed. On March 28 2015 10:55 sicklucker wrote:
Rsoutin im never nked ever. Like ever I been nked once ever and it was in your first newbie game. im not going to be nked in a 27 player game. Not ever So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him. In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective. ... in which he makes a fairly reasonable post wrapping up why sicklucker is "mafia." However in his next post is what makes me want to lynch him: Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.
I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.
For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.
##vote Holyflare
I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.
As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................
I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet. He wants to lynch sicklucker because he's 3rd party. That's a big nono. Mafia want to lynch 3rd parties. Town generally are looking for mafia first. It doesn't help that the rest of his post is basically summary and non-committal reads on LS, myself, and HtS.
"town are generally looking for mafia"
"in the first post trfel concludes that sicklucker is mafia"
what hapa? didn't sl claim 3p after trfel made that post?
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On March 30 2015 04:07 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.
really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain. why not sicklucker by that same logic? because sicklucker claimed vet, which I TR him for now for, but he didn't claim the name of his role. as you can see from me and ls roles have names. no name = not enuf for a vote.
jives, i'll give you my vote rit
lol i'm warming up to ls but it's gonna take a little more than a role claim for him to climb out of the hole he dug with me >< he may not have been lying it wait but it sure felt like it
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On March 30 2015 04:09 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.
really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain. This is a greymist themed game. mafia are *ALWAYS* given safeclaims. and everyone is a role. being "un-cc'd" means absolutely nothing. "Counterclaim" doesn't even make *SENSE* in the context of this game.
didn't know this, I think in the 1 greymist game I played, I rolled one of 2 VT slots LOL
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On March 30 2015 04:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:07 justanothertownie wrote:On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.
really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain. Basically everyone is a role in this game. Bad reason. I think I have played 1 greymist game ever. Would greymist make Jim Gordon (a paragon of good) into an evil cop?
Yes.
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On March 30 2015 04:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:07 justanothertownie wrote:On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.
really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain. Basically everyone is a role in this game. Bad reason. I think I have played 1 greymist game ever. Would greymist make Jim Gordon (a paragon of good) into an evil cop?
You know this is a bullshit reason. Kita made Tyrion a scum role in Hearthstone.
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I get that Greymist is a different host but flavor isn't indicative of anything.
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On March 30 2015 04:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:07 justanothertownie wrote:On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.
really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain. Basically everyone is a role in this game. Bad reason. I think I have played 1 greymist game ever. Would greymist make Jim Gordon (a paragon of good) into an evil cop?
Sure, why not?
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On March 30 2015 04:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:First things first, I'm starting anew. None of this Kita/BH stuff. Second things seconds, we are 100% killing Trefl tomorrow.He posted his scum-case on Sicklucker... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:... sickluckerIt's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is. On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor Why would sicklucker do this? - As town, sicklucker's claim is intended to get a confirmed town (himself) on the adventuring party. Another possibility is that he actually has extremely strong powers, and wants to ensure that he survives. It is possible that he did this for both of these motives.
- As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.
And the explanation for this play from town!sicklucker makes no sense. Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following: + Show Spoiler +On March 28 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote:
0 votes on me a confirmed town. Ya ok On March 28 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote:
If i knew this was gonna be a popularity contest and not a give it to a town contest I probably wouldnt have claimed On March 28 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote:
You guys better at least make me the cleric or ill question your intelligence. And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself. Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed. On March 28 2015 10:55 sicklucker wrote:
Rsoutin im never nked ever. Like ever I been nked once ever and it was in your first newbie game. im not going to be nked in a 27 player game. Not ever So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him. In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective. ... in which he makes a fairly reasonable post wrapping up why sicklucker is "mafia." However in his next post is what makes me want to lynch him: On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.
I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.
For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.
##vote Holyflare
I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.
As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................
I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet. He wants to lynch sicklucker because he's 3rd party. That's a big nono. Mafia want to lynch 3rd parties. Town generally are looking for mafia first. It doesn't help that the rest of his post is basically summary and non-committal reads on LS, myself, and HtS. "town are generally looking for mafia" "in the first post trfel concludes that sicklucker is mafia" what hapa? didn't sl claim 3p after trfel made that post?
other points on trfel are far more convincing tbh
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gonna take your guys' word on it then, I won't vote for him for that, but not gonna rescind my TR on him for saying stupid crap.
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i kinda get the mentality of a "claimed" 3p lynch (though a look through sicklucker's filter shows he's not hard-claiming that, just not discouraging the idea) over a mostly null-read lynch like most of the others we've been bandying around have been
it could be mafia-motivated but i don't see why it couldn't be town-motivated as well
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let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls
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On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls
Fair enough.
So...Trfel/Keirathi?
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voted rsoul, that puts her as warrior, hf as rogue, and me as cleric.
I think this is a good setup, would prefer if me and rsoul swap spots, but meh
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On March 30 2015 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:First things first, I'm starting anew. None of this Kita/BH stuff. Second things seconds, we are 100% killing Trefl tomorrow.He posted his scum-case on Sicklucker... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:... sickluckerIt's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is. On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor Why would sicklucker do this? - As town, sicklucker's claim is intended to get a confirmed town (himself) on the adventuring party. Another possibility is that he actually has extremely strong powers, and wants to ensure that he survives. It is possible that he did this for both of these motives.
- As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.
And the explanation for this play from town!sicklucker makes no sense. Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following: + Show Spoiler +On March 28 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote:
0 votes on me a confirmed town. Ya ok On March 28 2015 10:54 sicklucker wrote:
If i knew this was gonna be a popularity contest and not a give it to a town contest I probably wouldnt have claimed On March 28 2015 10:56 sicklucker wrote:
You guys better at least make me the cleric or ill question your intelligence. And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself. Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed. On March 28 2015 10:55 sicklucker wrote:
Rsoutin im never nked ever. Like ever I been nked once ever and it was in your first newbie game. im not going to be nked in a 27 player game. Not ever So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him. In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective. ... in which he makes a fairly reasonable post wrapping up why sicklucker is "mafia." However in his next post is what makes me want to lynch him: Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.
I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.
For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.
##vote Holyflare
I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.
As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................
I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet. He wants to lynch sicklucker because he's 3rd party. That's a big nono. Mafia want to lynch 3rd parties. Town generally are looking for mafia first. It doesn't help that the rest of his post is basically summary and non-committal reads on LS, myself, and HtS.
Why tomorrow and not today?
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