Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal - Page 29

On April 03 2015 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
so for whatever reason it doesnt look like my action went through on slam, I only have 1 vote. Didn't get an RB notification. anyone know what happened?

On April 03 2015 00:48 kitaman27 wrote:


Go for it. It's probably more important to figure who the mafia team is than to worry about what the mafia might do if they're caught.

On April 03 2015 00:58 batsnacks wrote:
Is there anyone that can confirm/deny that slam, if left alive, will kill more townies tonight?

On April 03 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:


I don't know if this statement is extremely useless or somewhat useless.

On April 03 2015 01:04 Snarfs wrote:
I could see HtS being mafia.

I mentioned VE as possible scum during last day/night and was instantly told that's not possible so I'm assuming there are PMs or something that confirm him town?

Like, I feel like we're lynching into this list today to hit mafia:

Half the Sky
Sepulchre
yamato77
VayneAuthority
batsnacks
ExO_

unless we're targeting one of the 3p claims.

On April 03 2015 01:13 batsnacks wrote:
jat what are you expecting to change between now and deadline? Why can't you just commit to something and see what happens?

This "I can't post reads it might help scum," "this list of half the remaining players in the game MIGHT be good" isn't doing anything.

On April 03 2015 01:22 Half the Sky wrote:


Have you looked at the credibility of the 3p claims? Particularly when people made claims in context to urgency? Which one looked the most suspicious?

On April 03 2015 01:33 Snarfs wrote:

It was you and wave. Wave sounded a lot more sure than you.

On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Leaning Town
LightningStrike - Has a towny sounding role claim. I'm still assuming he gets shot at some point so I haven't looked at him a ton.
Onegu - Claimed role in thread and tries to work with cleric to produce gun on d1. Transparency typically a townie trait...though it would be nice to figure out why his role didn't work n1.
justanothertownie - Active in PMs and trying to solve things. Would re-evaluate closer to to lylo, but seems town.
rsoultin - Seems town. Would be another that I'd re-evaluate closer to lylo. Maybe damdred's item tells us something.

Towny/Null
WaveofShadow - Has a day vig shot and PMs others asking how it should be used. It's possible that he was looking for people to tell him to shoot hapa, but like I said earlier if I had his role I'd simply use it on whoever is the biggest threat to mafia, which wasn't an afk hapa.

Koshi - Town based on activity and giving out reads and pushing them often. If there is a mafia playing the endgame role, then he likely is the one for paranoia reasons that I'm not going to entertain right now.

Half the Sky - Provided a claim pretty easily. Mafia typically don't give out information they don't need to since it comes back to hurt them if they're caught lying. I haven't looked at her content wise in a long time. I probably should do my due diligence if I survive the night.

Keirathi - According to JAT, he was pretty willing to cooperate in solving things via PM.

Snarfs - Not going to deny its anything other than his willingness to claim his role early.

Crossfire99 - As I said earlier, he bread crumbed strongbad so if Moriarty is mafia like we assume, that would mean mafia is checking a different mafia player who is actually strongbad, which makes both xfire and that other mafia player outed if any role cop reveals the true strongbad. His actual posts have little value and he hasn't done a ton to try to help town aside from the fake death and I was scummy null on him before the death, but I'd put others higher on the chopping board.

Blazinghand - Well the whole Lestrade/Moriarty thing suggest town if Moriarty is mafia. Moriarty hasn't claimed so that seems to be the assumption to make for now. Thought he looked mafia on day one based on the quotes I posted.

Null

ObiWanShinobi - Claims a role that was mafia in a previous teamliquid game. Not sure how to interpret this. At one people he was asking several times if people were around to chat, which he also did in one of his mafia games. Really small sample size here though. When we did exchange PM's he asked me about my mason ability, which was about the least relevant thing in the game considering everyone was a d2 mason. He did give up the claim willingly, so there is that.

Exo_ - Maybe townie null. Admits to own the day ending thing so thats a plus for him.

Other
Ran out of time on these two (I blame damdred). One or both may be mafia by process of elimination.

yamato77

VisceraEyes

Leaning Mafia

batsnacks - I honestly can't remember a game where I've read him as town, but I still think he is mafia. Shows no willingness to cooperate in PM land. In the thread, he doesn't have any town tells. He is going after easy targets, that a lot of other people would consider 50/50 coinflip reasons. Seems like he is picking the side of the coin he wants to view things as.

Sepulchre - He goes out of his way to tell me that he spent his entire day on xfire post flip analysis and how it is all wasted. Seems like it may be a situation where he is trying to push the idea that he couldn't possibly have known that xfire wasn't actually mafia (if xfire is indeed not actually mafia).

VayneAuthority - Claims a plansewalker role similar to Hapa, but only reveals two roles. I questioned the claim because it didn't make sense, especially compared to Hapa's flip. He explains there was a third role, but it is a "passive that he doesn't know how it works so he can't share". That seems pretty sketchy especially because he was withholding that part upon first claiming. I didn't like how he posted how I was 100% town and "I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too" when I first suggested how he likely had more than two roles. He changed his tune when I provided evidence that he had more than two. A lot of this comes down to whether or not marv actually checked him. It's annoying that marv didn't take advantage of PMs to reveal his target to his number one town read.

3p/mafia:

Alakaslam - Slam has played the blatant anti-town role before. Either way he totally wrecked day two so he most certainly needs to be held accountable. In PMs, he admitted to making up the stuff about BH being lynched killing off the mayor. Look closer at that if he flips red at any point. He also claims to need to kill JAT as part of his win condition, but that's probably another lie. Don't assume 3P because he is almost certainly anti-town based on his actions.

Other 3p claims:
Holyflare - There were others that I said I would re-evaluate closer to lylo, but he is someone worth re-evaluating much sooner than that, but probably not until the first couple mafia are flipped (hopefully that actually happens -_-)

Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.

Trfel - Really should pressure him to dual on n3, since I wasn't able to get things going tonight. How come we can't get any pro-town 3p claims? -_-

On April 03 2015 01:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it kills town like a mafia

and it confuses the thread like a mafia

and it ends the day early like a mafia

its probably a mafia just sayin.

You guys are too hung up on it being slam, hes a lot smarter then you actually think even if he just posts gibberish.

On April 03 2015 01:50 Holyflare wrote:
Jat and xfire have been lying to you all.

On April 03 2015 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
You can pm me at night, cya!

On April 03 2015 01:47 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - Fixed quote.



JAT, has it occurred to you that some of these potential third party claims could be pulling back on their game assuming survivorship wincons? Particularly Holyflare? I'm surprised they would, because you're not supposed to be playing any different from a VT as blue or pro-town third party, but on the other hand scum can't know the third party wincons. But I can't see how they wouldn't see HF as a threat. It's a weird dilemma.

On April 03 2015 01:56 Half the Sky wrote:


1 Someone can be 100% town but 100% incorrect on someone if they cannot read them. Marv has admitted openly in the past that I am hard to read as town when I am town. (bolded).



2 I interacted with Marv in PM land and I specifically asked him his scumreads in addition to myself. He backtracked on his previous read on me. Obviously you didn't know that, but this is what he told me in PM land.



To sum it up: If you are sheeping Marv, try again.

On April 03 2015 01:57 Holyflare wrote:


Haha dude I'm not telling mafia. You're just going to have to lynch me and people can read my power and then lynch you and crossfire.

On April 03 2015 01:57 Holyflare wrote:


Haha dude I'm not telling mafia. You're just going to have to lynch me and people can read my power and then lynch you and crossfire.