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On April 06 2015 06:09 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Can I come back? yeah im fairly sure you will be fine | ||
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This is awkward timing but i'm not sure if him lurking is alignment indicative yet. On April 10 2015 07:06 Ace1312 wrote: Yay, game start. I'm excited to read up When I get home from work. Is there a reason behind this? On April 10 2015 07:07 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: ##VOTE prplhz | ||
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On April 10 2015 07:46 Soren333 wrote: You're kidding me. That's scummy as hell. What kind of person says "oh hey guys huehuehue I might or might not be scum derp". Vote: prplhz On April 10 2015 07:50 Soren333 wrote: You need to question the motivation behind his question. What do you think is prplzl's motivation behind asking that question? I'm intrested that you find this scummy yet go on to tell someone to think about motivation. Could you explain to me what motivation scum would have to post this? He seemes to just be drawing attention to himself which i do not think is scummy. Also @Thebloodydwarf I asked about your vote because random voting is w/e but im under the understanding that it is done to apply pressure. Yet you voted someone who was around and posting and actively trying to produce content with people. This leads me to think that you simply voted to just fit in with other people doing it. | ||
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He seemed to suddenly appear right after someone placed a vote on him. Even if it isnt a coincidence I don't think its scummy depending on weather he is someone to be intimidated and not know how to enter the thread before that point. | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:22 Soren333 wrote: It's scummy because the question is pointless and he asked it just to appear as though he's trying to do something in the game. Do you not think he actually achieved doing something? He seemed to be trying to drive conversation forward. Yes the question in itself doesn't actually scumhunt but making conversation does so i don't see it as pointless. I like your vote on dwarf thought and think it is weird that he picked prplhz to random vote out of everyone and would still like to hear any reasoning he has for that. | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:27 Soren333 wrote: The reason why I think it's not lurking is because he didn't respond to the vote. If he did respond to the vote it would mean that he was reading the thread but hasn't made any post. Thus he would be lurking. On the contrary, his opening post is acknowledging that the game started, suggesting that he just checked teamliquid to see if the game started and it did, then commented that he will be posting once he gets home. I get it could be a coincidence with his arrival in the thread. I also don't think that coming out of lurking at the very start of the game is necessarily alignment indicative when you are a new player. Basically I don't care anymore with it was lurking or not because ive decided it isn't alignment indicative because i think as a new player no matter of alignment a vote being placed on you would make you post in the thread. | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:32 Soren333 wrote: Ok I'll agree that it isn't entirely pointless and it does drive discussion. But it's driving discussion in the wrong direction. Which means were going to be wasting time answering his question. Which is pretty scummy. I see this differently to you. It was the start of the day any conversation is useful. In a 48 hour phase i feel it is hard to waste time. On April 10 2015 06:08 prplhz wrote: i'm around why not talk to me seriously everybody hates me and i haven't a clue why am i reallly such a horrible person I feel with this follow up post it shows that he was actually trying to get conversation going and was disappointing when no one seemed interested in interacting with him. | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:32 Bourneq wrote: The fact that you wrote a fairly pointless sentance stating nothing and then following it up with a question what we think about you not stating anything makes me belive you are either a maffia trying to blend in by drawing attention to yourself so we would think you are not maffia since that would be stupid if you did that as maffia. OR you're a town trying to get a discussion going to give us more information. But voting for me to be lynched out of me not making any quick judgements on you seems harsh and a stupid thing to do as town. What do you think of the other people who have placed votes? | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:51 Bourneq wrote: The vote on Ace1312 seemed mafia as hell seing he has not even made an introduction so what is the point of throwing such an early vote on somebody who is not here to drive a discussion? The vote on plotspot was weird but he defended him self by throwing insults at a new player which makes me think poorly on him in general. The vote on Onegu seems stupid from a mafia perspective tho as he is playing very poorly so I dont know where I stand on plotspot. Why do YOU think onegu is playing poorly? | ||
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On April 10 2015 09:19 Bourneq wrote: To get back on track thebloodydwarf has been using some really weak arguments and acting generaly scummy. What are those weak arguments and explain where he has been generally scummy. | ||
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On April 10 2015 09:28 Breshke wrote: What are those weak arguments and explain where he has been generally scummy. Could you answer this please Bourneq | ||
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On April 10 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote: I know some attention was already brought to the first quote, and I had questioned as to why he was so fearful of death so early in D1 and when he wasn't under any threat now. The "digging old things" and the fact he's said it three times - even with emoticons - gives me the impression he's trying to dissuade Soren from looking into him, even if he's trying to show it jokingly. The vote on prplhz without explanation also makes scumlike behaviour with a page of filter afterwards and Breshke calling that vote into question. I think the bolded is the most damming whereas the random vote can half be explained by him being used to a different type of game. Although i still want to know why he chose prplhz over everyone else. | ||
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On April 10 2015 10:10 Onegu wrote: And I stopped claiming VT now I'm just claiming town. Completely different people comeon How do we know you don't always claim town as mafia if this is a new thing | ||
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On April 10 2015 10:13 rsoultin wrote: xP my point is more interesting than this y so serious, onegu? I don't see where you are going with this rso. | ||
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On April 10 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote: her entrance wasn't shit, she's been generally level-headed instead of tunnely, and generally her scum game looks better than her town game shouldn't you be asking me why i think lynching a "townie" hts is the way to go? lolol such jumbled priorities that said: it's a town!prp you're already like a kajillion times better than when we scummed together ^^ hmm this actually makes more sense to me now because a scum hts probably cares more about how she comes across to the thread. | ||
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On April 10 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote: awww and here i was so hoping for newbie outrage :/ but i guess i need to be on when they're on for that hts was also a bit too friendly with one (or more) of the newbies (i forget who) i remember going bleary-eyed at the overly friendly have you played before/where did you play/this will be so much fun! digression opinions on dwarf? | ||
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On April 10 2015 11:07 Onegu wrote: Ugh meh she seems like the type to do that with someone though I also agree with this if its referring to HTS I don't think its alignment indicative. | ||
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On April 10 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote: confused maybe? i see the points against him, but i don't see why that can't come from a new player...it almost falls into the too scummy to be scum category I know what you mean but this post On April 10 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote: I know some attention was already brought to the first quote, and I had questioned as to why he was so fearful of death so early in D1 and when he wasn't under any threat now. The "digging old things" and the fact he's said it three times - even with emoticons - gives me the impression he's trying to dissuade Soren from looking into him, even if he's trying to show it jokingly. The vote on prplhz without explanation also makes scumlike behaviour with a page of filter afterwards and Breshke calling that vote into question. The part about the digging old things really makes a lot of sense to me. If he is town i don't think he would care less even as a newbie if someone wa going to look into him. | ||
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What do you think or prplhz? You have me and soren as town reads and we seem to disagree on him so far whats your opinion? | ||
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HTS has been in here off an on and seems like she's pretty active and making reads. Her reads kind of align with vet skill at the time though, at least her town reads. Can you explain this too me jarjar what do you mean they alighn with vet skill at the time | ||
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On April 10 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote: Ugg really hate this post. Like in my experience calling people lynchbait especially when those players are newer for no reason scummy as hell. Also rsoul could be scum, her points on HtS are non alignment indicative, she hasn't town read me yet and she is currently like the only person on the site I think can read me correctly. And she plus 1'd the post I'm pointing out for no reason also. Idk if this is what you are saying but i agree lynchbait is different in newbie games with brand new players because they are more likely to just jump on wagons but w/e Also rso didnt point out that post for no reason i asked why she ahdnt read me and it was because i havnt posted enough but she went on to say she liked that post. | ||
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On April 10 2015 15:35 Onegu wrote: Like you scum read him almost all game and then flip he's lynchbait without any reason. I'm actually still voting for him so i havnt exactly flipped. The lynchbait thing was because i felt a bunch of people were jumping on the wagon but i was actually wrong theres only 4 and one is sorren and one if me so it is still fairly pure. The other two are tube and ace and I am kinda town lean on tube but expect more from him. Ace's post where he votes didnt impress me much and thats another thing that attributed to me calling it lynchbait. | ||
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On April 10 2015 15:41 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Morning guys! Hey! Could you explain any reasoning behind your vote? | ||
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On April 10 2015 23:22 rsoultin wrote: i was more fine with it before his explanation, honestly? like i get the mindset of trains being too easy but i dunnae most of the thread leading up to his opinion change was why it could just be newbie behavior so doesnt fit so well Ehh if you say so. I recall ace and tube switching their vote to him and it felt like he was going to get wagoned on hard. I'm not that intrested in defending myself from this because its not really something i can argue against nor is it going to be a reason to lynch me. I have never understood how it is mafia indicitive to "waffle" on a player that someone is clearly unsure about. | ||
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On April 10 2015 23:40 Stutters695 wrote: Yep. Initial thoughts, I don't like Breshke so far. His defense of prpl is completely unnecessary and it is far too early to be sure of that. His vote on dwarf had no reasoning before he's back to null on him as well. I haven't checked his meta, but it gives off a first time scum vibe. He's so afraid of revealing something that he shouldn't know, he's being active without saying anything really. Phone posting, so these take a hot minute to type up. Phone posting so these take me a while. I enjoy this guy coming into the thread and trying to go along with thread sentiment. Probs OMGUS but scumreading. I believe i had reasoning for voting dwarf it just wasnt in the post where i voted for him | ||
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On April 10 2015 23:41 Bourneq wrote: prp please explain to me why you seem soley focused on me? And that you have been since the very start of day 1. In fact you voted to lynch me before I had time to say anything of note. You seem extremely focused on putting me in the ground even tho you have not given any facts that would really indicate that I was mafia exept me having to be on the defensive all the time. Yet you have been the driving force behind that the entire game. Forget about prp for a bit tell me stuff about other people in the game. It will help you a lot more. | ||
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On April 11 2015 09:01 jarjarbinks wrote: Breshke a few questions for you: I believe you are still voting dwarf. If say dwarf came back and made reads and stuff and looked super towny, who would you vote next? Who's your next top scumread and why? Based on your filter, I would guess Bourne. Is this correct? You don't seem to notice Plot or Tube much, are they null in your book? At the time plot was half leaning scum for the same reasons ace was scummy because he hadn't really done much. He also made a 100% townread which i asked him to clarify which he ended up doing in this post. On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town. about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^ Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can. Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? I really dont like this post at all. First paragraph is full of fluff and he is waving off his post saying it was early but if it was so early why say someone is 100% town. The second paragraph is also full of fluff and I should say i don't think fluffy posts = mafia but he doesn't actually say anything within the fluff. States he thinks dwarf is a victim but doesn't pull any conclusions from it. Also gives a townread on onegu with 0 justification. I also don't understand how he thinks HTS is referring to him as 100% town as i don't read it this way at all. He also doesn't seem to draw conclusions from this either. This post feels to me like he is trying to provide content to look good yet doesn't draw any conclusions to avoid making waves something I think is very scummy. Tube is null thought idk i havn't really read him properly yet. I also feel more confident about plot now than i do about dwarf so i guess this answers your question. ##Unvote ##Vote plotspot I also like how stutters constantly tries to get people to interact with him about his scumread of me I think that is fairly townie. I don't like that he has a fallback policy lynch in Ace but he has promised to look into other people so that is also looking promising as well. | ||
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i liked soren because of my discussion with him about prp's opening. Just had a quick look through his filter then and he seemed to go from dwarf to plot which is fine. But then switched to bourne because of prodding from prp which doesnt make sense from a town perspective considering he had him as scummy. | ||
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On April 10 2015 07:46 Soren333 wrote: You're kidding me. That's scummy as hell. What kind of person says "oh hey guys huehuehue I might or might not be scum derp". Vote: prplhz On April 10 2015 07:48 Soren333 wrote: Everyone might or might not be scum. So asking this is just stupid. On April 10 2015 08:22 Soren333 wrote: It's scummy because the question is pointless and he asked it just to appear as though he's trying to do something in the game. On April 10 2015 08:32 Soren333 wrote: Ok I'll agree that it isn't entirely pointless and it does drive discussion. But it's driving discussion in the wrong direction. Which means were going to be wasting time answering his question. Which is pretty scummy. ^Posts on prp entrance post thingo On April 10 2015 20:53 Soren333 wrote: You could at least draw an opinion or assumption. On April 10 2015 20:56 Soren333 wrote: Oh that's right. He either only posts when people prod him or when someone votes him. That's hella scummy. ##Vote Bourneq Then thats how he changed his vote. Seems wrong to me that he agrees with someone who he was scumreading so quickly. | ||
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On April 11 2015 14:05 rsoultin wrote: oh, and while you're at it... what is your read on ace? you mentioned he's scummy later but i don't think you've ever said you want to lynch him? it seems to me that if your read on him is strong enough to make you question your initial scumread you'd have more to say about him xP Nah your wrong. The scumread wasn't that strong still isnt and that mainly has to do with the fact that he hasnt posted like at all since so i find it hard to evalute him. Like i wouldn't endorse lynching him today if he still hasn't posted because i feel like its a cop out for people to not push actual read and such. It would be better if a possible vigi dealt with it. I understand the logic behind why you thought my scumread would have been strong on him because it made me doubt my read but at the time it was more me getting confused with the votes because of the lack of vote count and in thread voting. I thought there was like 2 more people voting dwarf. | ||
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On April 11 2015 14:27 rsoultin wrote: alright lol that jives what's your feel on onegu? i just got finished rereading his filter, and even with the semi-try hard comment at the beginning it just reads stiff to me...i also really don't understand why the alphabet vote + justification (i know he retracted it) got so much attention? there's also this post: had already accepted his decided to try harder for the newbie game explanation but he still felt the need to elaborate further on it? i dunnae maybe it's just throwing me off lol cause i usually read him based on how ditzy he's acting, but he's making me uncomfortable this game I dunno I can never read onegu early although i think the two games ive played with him ive worked him out eventually. The thing you pointed out doesn't give me bad vibes. I can see town thought process behind telling people you are going to be playing serious this game and making sure people recognized you said this. I also like that he called you out here On April 10 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote: Ugg really hate this post. Like in my experience calling people lynchbait especially when those players are newer for no reason scummy as hell. Also rsoul could be scum, her points on HtS are non alignment indicative, she hasn't town read me yet and she is currently like the only person on the site I think can read me correctly. And she plus 1'd the post I'm pointing out for no reason also. Even if i dont agree with the reasons no one has really prodded you this game and think there is easier people for him to ping out if he was scum | ||
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Youre different this game Rso and i dont know if its because with like 0 of the super confident vets around it lets you play differently or if its because you are scum. I get that youre in different coditions but like even your hts read i disagree with im fairly sure she is town and its weird for me because normally i agree with almost everything you say | ||
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On April 11 2015 18:53 prplhz wrote: this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this. anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK. same even if he has a redcheack and there is more than one misslynch left imo | ||
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On April 11 2015 19:04 Tubesock wrote: I guess that's why I think he's only softing. He's not really claiming, but he's flirting around about it. The way it is now the real doc/vet could out themselves (don't for the love of god) and he would just fall back on the fact he never did. I really think he's trying to fish for that cop check. I also kind of wonder that if he did hardclaim, he gets CC'd and everyone argues enough that he tries to get checked first? Mafia would have both blues for his death. that's a pretty good trade. I've never rolled blue. I haven't spent much time thinking about it. It's why I'm asking for feedback now. I just can't see any other explanation for his play. Idk like obviously this is all possible but it just feels very very unlikely. I feel like if he was advanced enough to do this he would be advanced enough to also give reads and such and i know you said you think he is faking right? but i just feel it is really really out there. Can you tell me what you think of plot and anyone else that has jumped out at you | ||
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Thats why TBD play makes sense because you can see how it is influenced by his SC2 experience. | ||
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On April 11 2015 19:16 prplhz wrote: i'm not sure right now, the plotspot lynch is growing on me. why | ||
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On April 12 2015 06:06 Half the Sky wrote: I keep forgetting it's 6am there or 7 or something. 6:30 and on a saturday! | ||
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Im gonna go sleeo for an hour or something then reread the last few pages properly | ||
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Also dwarf can you explain to me your vote switches back and forth between stutters and plot. | ||
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On April 12 2015 06:11 Tubesock wrote: Are you in Darwin? Plot did claim scum. And literally had 2 posts that were town. Meh. Nah adelaide. I think it is the same timezone though. Be around later | ||
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So imagine if stutters is mafia do you think a partner swaps to him there | ||
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Yeah i meant like in this context but this is probs a bad way to go because of pre flip associations or w/e. On April 12 2015 05:52 Bourneq wrote: Plot still seems like the obvious lynch to me. Stutters is certinatly a suspect but I see no reason in keeping plot around. Can you explain this to me bourne what do you mean by the bolded. | ||
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On April 13 2015 07:54 jarjarbinks wrote: Wow....hope to actually play with you next time HF. Reasons why HF was killed that I can think of 1. HF can read another vet well or is good at this game? I have no experience with the guy 2. Scum doesn't want to reveal anything 3. Scum is not worried about anyone so far #2 is probably most likely...if anyone think #3 is very possible we might need to check our highly townread people in the game (bresh? tube?) or doublecheck at the highly scumread right now (dwarf? stutters?) I like this assessment except to add onto one I havn't played with HF that much but from when i have I know he can be a strong town leader and generally has good reads so it wouldn't be just the non newbies that he would be a threat too. The strangest thing to me is reading sorens filter i don't really get any indication that he might be a role so mafia kind of doesn't care about role hunting? Could mean we have a weaker setup? This further strengthens your points one and kind of three i think that mafia were most worried about HF's possible future reads more than they were worried about anything anyone has been pushing so far. This being said night kill WIFOM is a real thing. Also if you were roleblocked you should 100% tell the thread straight away. | ||
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On April 12 2015 11:28 Stutters695 wrote: If I'm town, what do I gain from the vote like that? If I'm scum what do I gain? Assume I'm town for a second(you'll see why d2). Prpl tries to switch the wagon onto me. From a scum perspective: He mislynches me (I get harder to mislynch as the game goes on generally) and leaves him with 1/2 (depending on Dwarf's alignment) easy-ish mislynches at the cost of looking slightly worse for my mislynch. Do you think that would be a risk he'd take as scum from playing scum with him? I am really interested what stutters means by the bolded.. | ||
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On April 13 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote: lol i had a theory that i'm not sharing >< sounds like you may have the same one, bresh Yeah i guess we wait and see what stutters says first? I was scum leaning on soren but it mustn't have been that strong because i had to actually go back and look at my own filter to remember why. Also Rso before when we were talking about people that could have been bussing stutters if he is actually mafia you listed HTS as one i believe? (if this is wrong ignore the rest of this) The reason was she was the least committed to it i actually disagree with that because being around at the time it really felt like HTS wanted me to consider stutters and change my vote which would have brought him dangerously close to being lynched. I don't really remember being swayed by any of the others. | ||
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On April 13 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote: yeah? it was the impression i got while skimming...prp and tube seemed very convinced dwarf was town, but hts was late to the game? i don't know i could be misremembering. give me a sec Dwarf? do you mean plot? | ||
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On April 12 2015 05:35 Half the Sky wrote: Oh shit....just read Stutters' filter now, and I see where both Dwarf and prplhz are coming from. His posts aren't exactly driving discussion. Also I looked at the timestamps of when Stutters said he'll look into plotspot and when he voted him. 15 hours and change. So my previous possibility of "being in the middle of analysis" is off the table. On April 12 2015 05:38 Half the Sky wrote: I could be down for shennaning on him but I'm still not feeling good about plotspot. I'll illustrate another case that irks me on plotspot. I feel like you ened to look at these two earlier posts aswell though because it explains why she made another case on plot. Also that first post is seemingly what kicked prplhz to actually vote for stutters which then also caused tube to to try save plot. I feel like that would be a really strange post going into near deadline with someone that most of the thread thought had basically claimed scum. I get what you mean about the switch too late thing but im willing to give some benefit of the doubt because there didn't seem to be many people around and the people that were did not seem interested in switching. | ||
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Ive only speedread the last pages but i still disagree with you on HTS . First of all people have been saying that HTS would swap to stuters there to make herself look better. Obviously this isn't true because noone is saying she looks good because of it. Also she was one of the eladers on the plot lynch and in most of my games the people leading the D1 lynches look good no matter the flip. I think as scum HTS would be way more cautious about swapping her vote there. I also didn't really understand the bit about you saying she called plot town? Idk that isn't how i remember it i thought she thought they were both scum but then voted stutters because she didn't think stutters would bus so using pre flip association decided stutters would be better. If im wrong tell me. Also this is ahrd to explain but once again when i woke up came into the thread it really only seemed HTS was trying to get me to look at stutters and change my vote i didn't really get that feeling from anyone else. It may read differently but thats how it was. Also rso how does it make you feel that people are interacting with you yet dont really seem to read you. It is quite odd. | ||
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On April 13 2015 10:16 rsoultin wrote: it's actually quite simple, prp ^^ hts drug her feet on the lynch, then voted on a wagon at the last minute that absolutely was not going to be lynched like, it doesn't even matter what stutters' alignment is? her vote switch makes no sense from a townie perspective. she didn't argue or push people to switch to stutters when she did, didn't make it clear that she no longer thought plotspot was town...if stutters is scum he's not getting lynched and she looks good later if he flips and she was on his wagon. if he's town she looks good for not mislynching him what does she achieve as town though? absolutely nothing I also don't understand how she looks good for voting a town in a town v town vote thingo. | ||
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On April 13 2015 14:12 rsoultin wrote: yeah i got that mixed up? obviously it doesn't make sense if hts was townreading plot; i meant to say scumreading. that's already been addressed i'd rather you actually read my case rather than speedread it frankly xP since i've already addressed pretty much everything you're talking about here frankly i don't know why she changed her vote. the main point is that she completely uselessly changed her vote. she literally did it at a point where it was meaningless. a scum motivation for that is to distance herself from the list, but more importantly i see no town motivation for it at all? nor do i see how her simply answering your question while not committing to the vote one way or another her trying to get you to change your vote did you reread that section or not? -_- as for people interacting with me and not reading me, i'm not sure what you're implying? Not gonna lie i thought you were going to bed so i tried to get something out quickly so you'd stay around. I feel saying her uselessly changing her vote is almost unfair though. You could say not changing her vote would have been useless aswell because the masses had either decided to stay on plot or were not around. I just dont think that you can look at it as she changed her vote to distance herself from that list when she was stills cumreading plot and was one of his original pushers. I also think if she was so worried about being on that list that she tries to distance from it ealier since that would look better and she wouldn't make a case on plot right before switching. Also does this mean you think a majority of the scum were on the plot wagon? Not implying anything really because it could go either way (scum ignoring you because they dont think your an easy misslynch or scum ignoring u cos your scum). I just realize that the main way i read you is how you interact with vets and push your reads and how emotional or whatever you get so obviously you can understand why im having a hard time of it now. | ||
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On April 13 2015 14:20 rsoultin wrote: okay maybe i wasn't being clear lol >< the point was that even if stutters was town, not being on a wagon that flips town makes her look better at the moment i mean, you argue that she doesn't look better, but since no one brought it up before me and you've been arguing with me it clearly didn't make her look bad the salient point is that her vote was useless, and if she's town suddenly deciding plot is town and stutters is scum, why is she not pushing for others to switch with her, even in the last two minutes? am i making sense now? This is the bit i have a problem with. Did she decide that plot was town? I was under the belief she thought both were scum but thought stutters had more chance of flipping scum because she didnt think he would bus a partner in plot. Basically i thought she was making a pre flip association. | ||
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On April 13 2015 14:25 prplhz wrote: the "she couldn't have been trying to look town because it didn't seem to work"-argument isn't good Okay how about the argument that i dont think hts believes changing her vote in the last two minutes off of a town wagon THAT SHE HAD BEEN PUSHING makes her look town. | ||
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On April 13 2015 14:28 rsoultin wrote: cool by me ^^ i'm curious, too care to answer my what the hell were you getting at with the no one is reading me question anytime soon, bresh? I did here it is again though Not implying anything really because it could go either way (scum ignoring you because they dont think your an easy misslynch or scum ignoring u cos your scum). I just realize that the main way i read you is how you interact with vets and push your reads and how emotional or whatever you get so obviously you can understand why im having a hard time of it now. To add to it i had no diea where that question was going which is meh but i wanted to see if you had any thoughts on it. I know you said some people have read you but i dont really think anyone has taken that hard a stance except maybe onegu like you mentioned but he failed to deliver his case. Also im rereading your hts stuff now | ||
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On April 13 2015 14:35 rsoultin wrote: o.0 i don't know how i missed this post sorry lol >< i don't see how she can be scumreading plot, saying stutters probably isn't bussing, then vote stutters? that just doesn't make any sense? i'm not sure why me thinking her vote looks scummy translates to the majority of scum being on the plot wagon but i already said probably 1 or 2 were, but that's pure speculation? and yeah i get it lol i do act differently with vets...i kinda prefer letting them do their thing and commenting and only pushing the things i'm very certain of. these games i all too often feel the need to take the lead cause leadership is usually lacking :/ Like I have read the interactions with her and I just still don't agree. I don't think towns reads have to always make sense. Like it makes sense to me that HTS can think plot is scummy. Then look at stutters and be like yeah this guy is scummy. Then be like shit why would stutters vote for plot if they were both scum together. Like have you never had two scumreads that dont really work together especially day 1? Thats why pre flip associations are so bad. Nah it was more because you said she wanted to distance herself from that lsit so i assumed that ment she would want to distance herself from teammates on that list. Obviously there is every chance in the world im wrong here but i just get stubborn about reads sometimes especially town reads. I like that one of the main problems you have is that she justified it with the "i dont think he would bus here" but having been swayed by pre flip associations in my own mind before i can understand how she changed her vote there. Also 3#Vote Stutters Until you explain why we would all see that you were town on D2 | ||
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On April 10 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote: I know some attention was already brought to the first quote, and I had questioned as to why he was so fearful of death so early in D1 and when he wasn't under any threat now. The "digging old things" and the fact he's said it three times - even with emoticons - gives me the impression he's trying to dissuade Soren from looking into him, even if he's trying to show it jokingly. The vote on prplhz without explanation also makes scumlike behaviour with a page of filter afterwards and Breshke calling that vote into question. This was the post btw. clearly about TBD and not plot. Not sure how i messed this up | ||
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Tube im not going to be ignoring your case I just dont feel like im going to go anywhere if i talk about it with you because i see your point and yes that is a logical inconsistency but i can also see a world where HTS says bussing has been popular but then would also think stutters wouldn't bus. I fully admit i could just be tunneld on the idea that HTS is town and is why i dont eally feel like pushing that anymore because I need to see other interactions involving her and stuff. I once again want to point this post out because it will probabe be buried and i want a response when bourne comes back. On April 12 2015 05:52 Bourneq wrote: Plot still seems like the obvious lynch to me. Stutters is certinatly a suspect but I see no reason in keeping plot around. Can you explain what you mean by there is no point keeping plot around. You say stutters is suspect which infers scum yet you only want to lynch plot because you see nor eason to keep him around which seems null. He explains the scumread on plot earlier in this post. On April 11 2015 21:50 Bourneq wrote: Good mornign gents and ladies! I think we hit the nail on the head with plotspot in the recent pages. My personal reasoning behind scum reading plotspot is mainly from theese quotes I hate this post + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town. about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^ Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can. Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? Mainly because of "Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^" And "I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town." when he himself said prplhz was 100% town really early on. Not to meantion the 5 ^^, but I wont go into that. TBD is making my scum radar beep and its driving me crazy. I would like to see the dwarf do anything, just anything to further towns agenda. Or at least theorycraft with us. But he has done noone of that what so ever. The recent points brought against him also look solid. Now I will carefully examine prplhz and see if I have anything to bring to the table. Yet he only points out posts of plots which he does not like but does not explain WHY he does not like them. This reads to me as him just trying to justify a reason to join the main wagon. | ||
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In this game, I had an epiphany with minutes to spare and made a judgement that was reasonable 1) in the amount of time that I had and 2) with the material I had in front of me for Stutters. Which again, doesn't require the analysis that Tube seems to be setting as criteria. To clarify was the epiphany you had that stutters was scum or that stutters wouldn't bus plot. Could you also explain why you think stutters would not bus plot there or point to the post where you have already explained it if you have. | ||
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On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote: Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so... I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase. ##Unvote I currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him. Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely. | ||
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Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed. There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role. If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.) Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase. | ||
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On April 14 2015 11:41 Stutters695 wrote: Or they withheld the rb? What's the point? | ||
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On April 14 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote: lol um i'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that there's no medic, bresh, unless you're saying the medic would definitely protect hf? Okay follow my logic here. Noone has claimed roleblocked. So it is safe to assume scum most likely blocked HF. Why would they do this? | ||
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On April 14 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote: ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^ There is no setup with both doc and vet? Idk if im misreading what you mean but there is 1 of vigi/cop and one of vet/medic Im saying because of mafias roleblock im like 85% sure we have a vet. I could go further and say there is probably a vigi aswell but that logic comes down to personal preference and how much they thought HF would be a threat. | ||
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On April 14 2015 12:25 Stutters695 wrote: Also, Breahke's logic makes sense, but I can't shake the feeling he plays scum like I do. Reminds me to follow up when I'm not drunk tomorrow. It just feels off. Lol do you play scum really badly? If so we play scum the same | ||
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On April 14 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote: ummm yes that is exactly what i just said xP Yeah i thought i was misreading On April 14 2015 12:28 Tubesock wrote: I think you're right Breshke. No reason for someone to not claim RB. Trfel said he still wasn't caught up. I think he's only to the end of the Day 1? He's looking pretty towny though. Course, he could be doing this as scum to solidify his entrance but that seems like a lot of work. I agree i like trefels analysis (maybe partly because he kind of agrees with me on HTS). Who do you want to lynch currently tube is it still HTS? | ||
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On April 14 2015 12:32 rsoultin wrote: wait now i think i'm confused again -_- you were trying to say that the lack of an rb claim is indicative of a vet and if there's a vet there isn't a vet/doc setup in the op, right? CORRECT so im saying we most likely don't have a doc | ||
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On April 14 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote: the analysis on plotspot was actually pretty good (if wrong), and this isn't the first time he mentions "bunnying" up posts lol i actually 100% agree with this post? xP like, i read it as prp trying to get discussion going, but prp your attempt was so blatant i don't see how you expected anyone to get a read on you from it? unless you expected a townread or something lol and saying something "to generate discussion" when it's that obvious i not alignment indicative for me (just ask trfel) so i see no problem with others feeling the same way, obviously some of these points were clearly his misreading, for instance the omgus one, but lol i get where he's coming from on the dropped reads and you being so insistent on your bloody dwarf read xP i don't think these were bad points and i can see newbie town making them and coming to that conclusion i guess what it comes down to for me is on the spectrum of newbies bourne was more actively in the thread and analyzing than the others? lol i'll admit i wasn't really placing my expectations that high for some of the newer players, but i didn't see how he was worse than plotspot or...yes...dwarf xP who still has practically no reads -_- So I don't really get anything out of the first two posts but the first one is fairly hard for me tor ead because of formatting. (this is important later). The last post you have a good point about like he actually does seem to be thinking critically about the game and prps alignment. Another thing that makes me think bourne probably might actually be town is the difference in formatting between his first post that rso quoted and the last. The last is actually far more easy to read and improving your formatting to make your posts easier to read seems very townie to me because town actually wants people to read their posts where as scum is fine to be glossed over kind of. I don't actually think i want to lynch bourne today | ||
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On April 14 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote: <3! lol sorry but your "no bad rso bad hts read" followed by sheeping what i perceived to be thread sentiment on bourne was giving me the willies. i expect more from you lol >< this makes me feel better about you (and not just cause you're agreeing with me) i don't think you ever answered why you're so certain on hts being town, though? Honestly not sure. I think its because like I felt the reasons you guys were pushing to make her scum didn't make her scum. That coupled with the fact that I felt like she actually tried to make me take my vote off of a town gives me good vibes. Typing this out makes me wonder why I was so certain but at the same time i still think she is town? I guess its a gut read. | ||
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On April 14 2015 14:22 rsoultin wrote: heh i still don't understand how you read her post as her actively trying to get you to change your vote when it was clearly responding to your question on why there were shenanigans >< and she didn't even take a stance between the two players in it but i guess if it's a gut read there's really nothing to say about it :/ Yeah i know thats why it sucks because it feels like a cop out and why i kind of wanted to take a step back and stop interfering and actually try and get a proper read. On April 14 2015 14:23 Trfel wrote: Also Stutters695. I said it at the top of the page. Note that the reason that I don't want to lynch active players isn't (primarily) activity. I just see these four as significantly more scummy at this time. That you did my bad. No i agree that these four seem to be the scummier of the game not just because of activity. Personally i don't think bourne should be lynched today also im giving stutters a day pass for a stupid reason when i should probably just analyse his play. | ||
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On April 14 2015 13:58 Breshke wrote: Stutters if you had one read you were most sure of who would it be and what do you think their alignment is? I don't need a reason. | ||
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That being said I hate that stutters seemingly has little time to play yet when he is in the thread he makes posts like these. On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote: Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him. He does not explain anything. Yes he wasnt immediately prompted to do so by someone yet if you cant stick around to interact and talk about these things why not just post your thoughts not shitty general comments. This being said I WILL NOT be voting stutters today and im probably going to regret it. On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote: Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead. This post again i kind of like from bourne as it is actually about stuff that is happening this phase and the last sentence is a good observation. Once again shows at elast some critical thinking about the game. Heres where i start to feel really dirty. ##Vote Theshining This is third placeholder third because he has promised stuff yet not delivered anything and a third because i don't like the other options Im aiming to be awake in 5 hours so hopefully see you guys then | ||
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On April 15 2015 05:29 rsoultin wrote: lol xP suuuuuure like i wasn't the one who first brought up shining. go sell it somewhere else Yet werent confident enough to vote him until i did? This is pointless you arnt getting lynched. Basically it isnt strange for me to ignore people on my filters rso knows this Hts might idk how.much she reads her own games. Prp is someone else i have largely not mentioned. I would probably lynch him over dwarf | ||
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On April 15 2015 05:31 rsoultin wrote: no seriously, bresh, do you have any strong opinions? or lukewarm ones? HTS town tube town JJB town | ||
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Right now id still lynch the shining. I would also lynch stutters for not taking a stance on me when he is trying to push his lynch since as town you shouldnt let arguments like this fester without trying to help out. Im also done with my reason for giving him the pass. | ||
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On April 15 2015 05:39 rsoultin wrote: ##vote: Breshke i'll consolidate on dwarf or maybe bourne if i have to, but i'm not lynching prp or shining today were you not the one who made a case on bourne being town? Why would you consolidate on dwarf? | ||
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On April 15 2015 05:46 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters has been pushing prplhz all of D2????? How is that not town behaviour pushing a lynch you believe in? All cycle long? This is true and a really good point. its the morning and im grumpy with people. I havn't looked at prp enough to vote him. So i really can't see myself doing. I think shsining is the way to go. Add trefel to my townlist | ||
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On April 15 2015 05:54 rsoultin wrote: not gonna i explicitly said i'm not fucking lynching prp or shining today Instead youw ant to lynch your null read? Like i have shitty weak scumreads but you arnt even pushing scum reads | ||
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There was three wagons. Shining, who i think is scum Prp, who i was null town leanish/hadn't looked into much since D1 TBD who I had no diea about. It was obvious to me that the shining lynch was not going to go through. The only person whow anted it in the thread as much as i did was trefel. After realising i would not get the lynch i wanted i assessed the other two wagons. Rso and shining were both voting on TBD. If shining is scum RSo is most likely his partner because the way is ee it she stopped im from getting lynched EoD. That coupled with the fact with how fast she flipped her read on me while seemingly calling me town all game leads me to think they are both scum. This lead me to the conclusion that i would rather lynch Prp than dwarf because if shining and rso are scum they would not BOTH be voting their scum partner TBD therefore it would be more likely that prp was scum than TBD On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote: tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs- if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more I honestly don't know where the bolded part has come from but I want you to know whatever your alignment and whatever my allighnment this is not how i was trying to come across to you. I hoenstly did not think you would get enough votes on me and i was having a hard enough time actually finding someone i thought was scum after i flipped on bourne so i wasn't interested in trying to defend myself with like half an hour left when i felt it wasnt necessary and there was more important things to do. | ||
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On April 15 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote: bresh if you think i've been townreading you all game i don't know what game you're reading -_- regardless, it wasn't that, it was the reaction to my vote change, which as i said makes sense if you think shining and i are scum, so i'm done being pissed off about it my real question is where the scumread came from? as i said, you made it seem like policy when you left the thread lol >< also i kind of don't even want to talk to you much until you read what you missed because you clearly haven't ^^ ehh ok. I actually have read everything but that was this morning. Will reread stuff but might not be that active until tonight because i have a job interview i want to practice for. I also dont think there is much for me to say until next Day phase | ||
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This being said we can get a misslynch back if we lynch the roleblocker today. I also think lynching Rso today is great. The most damming thing that makes rso scum is the fact that she has not made a will post either of the nights. I let this slide N1 because she was travelling or whatever but this is something TOWN rso ALWAYS does. The only game she ever didn't do this she was mafia and reflected on it later that she was suprised noone noticed. She doesn't do this as mafia because she obviously does not think she is going to die so does not feel the need to leave information to town in that eventuality. ##Vote Rso | ||
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I 100% remember her reflecting somewhere after horn of africa that she thought people would have noticed the lack of legacy posts and called her out on it. Its legit. | ||
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On April 16 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote: lol you've stated yourself i'm fully aware that i always do this as town, so you're really trying to sell that i wouldn't take special care to do it as scum? that's a terrible reason. you have to do better than that So why havn't you been making them then? I believe you could easily forget to do them or think that noone in this game would pick up on you not doing them especially since noone mentioned it after N1 when you could have had a legit excuse. Like who do you even think is mafia other than myself. You just said you thought prp wouldnt case you as scum. I doubt if you think im scum you think shining is scum. I cant see how anyone would think trefel or even tube for that matter is scum. So is your world me, JJB and bourne? I don't think you have been taking steps to work that team out. | ||
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On April 16 2015 08:39 rsoultin wrote: it's a little rich that you're accusing me of not taking steps to figure out scum, breshke, given your performance day 2 and subsequent disappearance. we've had the conversation before that it's important to talk things out during the night phase. so where were you? lol >< like the amount of bullshit people are spewing is insane right now, are y'all even reading what you're writing? when did i become hf or marv or fucking koshi that being alive on day 3 and not having lynched scum becomes a problem? look at down under 2...or don't lol >< i don't really care This is a really nice paragraph even though im still fairly certain you are scum. I don't think you really think my D2 was that bad. You asked me for reads and i gave you 3 town reads that i was fairly sure about at the time. ( less sure about JJB right now because of stuff prp has said). Yes i still do agree that it is important to talk stuff through during the night phase but i wasn't really interested in talking with you because i didn't want to mention then will post thing because iw anted to see if you would post one or not. I think this second paragraph is you being frustrated as scum because people are pushing you for reasons that you dont think make you scum and it is really frustrating you. I dont think anyone wants to lynch you because you havnt lynched mafia. Maybe you are referring to this post. On April 16 2015 07:04 prplhz wrote: i can't. rso is scum because she's really good at mafia but she only done mafia things and she's notting putting in that effort she does as town. especially letting two townies getting lynched while acting like she hadn't a clue what a tone read is. anyway i suggest we don't no lynch today, me or rso go go go. i'll tell you the other two scum before i die but i'm a little less sure of them. shoutout to onegu for getting this right on d1. I don't think prp means that by the bolded i think he is saying that you still lynched TBD even though all the points he brought against him being town. He would be the best to explain that though. | ||
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Anyway I WILL BE SHOT TONIGHT and i was hoping someone would fake claim this because the fake claim would most likely have been the vet trying to pull a bullet since if we manage to kill the role blocker today that play would have effectively gained us a miss lynch. WHICH IS WHY WE DONT NO LYNCH. Let me reiterate. The vet does not claim here noone else claims here because mafia HAS TO shoot me else they risk shooting into the vet and if we kill Rso or maybe shining we have a 1/3 shot of killing the role blocker which effectively means if the vet ever gets shot we gain a misslynch,. | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:18 rsoultin wrote: lol >< you're a fucking imbecile if you're actually the vig this game, is all i have to say don't CC if he fake-claimed, vig -_- Why am i an imbecile? | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:24 rsoultin wrote: because we should be no-lynching today, if we're going for optimal plays, and you've just defeated one of the main purposes for that ^^ good job Explain?? If we dont lynch it is impossible for us to kill the roleblocker and if we dont kill the role blocker the vet is useless as fuck. Especially since vigi shot has already gone off | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:30 rsoultin wrote: whenever you decide to actually start reading this game, please let me know -_- you're either scum, in which case this doesn't matter at all so disregard or you're town, and we have exactly one mislynch left. which means oh brilliant one that unless you're 100% sure i'm scum and you're not throwing right now based on shit reasons, it's objectively better to have a smaller lynch pool with two blues who can claim day 4 than to out yourself (assuming you're even the vigi) right now effectively, if you are the vig, you're an idiot ^^ i don't think you're an idiot but lol >< i can see this play from town, too, strangely enough which is why the real vig absolutely SHOULD NOT CC if breshke fake-claimed No this is completely wrong. Mafia just kills someone like trefel who is basically universally town read. then we get no more info. I am so sure shining is scum and there will be another vigi CC. If he actually is the real vigi im going to cry and probably not play for a long time | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:26 The Shining wrote: I'm just about done so here goes nothing. I essentially took myself out of this game, morale wise. No lynching is stupid. [B]##Unvote[b] It was said already but all we gain by a no lynch is one less strong town read and a leader. We're better off putting our all into finding scum and trying to salvage this game. I didn't realize how hard it would be to replace, I know now for the future. I also know not to follow my gut instincts because I'm wrong a decent amount of time. I'm the vig. I'm really sorry, town, I might have thrown this. We either have a vet or a medic. If medic, protect me tonight. If vet, don't claim. If we lynch scum today, I die tonight but they will still risk shooting you following night phase and buying town one more day phase. I think prpl could possibly be scum. The push on RSo looks bad to me. From what I've read of prpl's meta, I find it interesting he'd scum RSo for essentially the same things he's done. They have similar filter lengths but he's claiming she's doing nothing and let two townies die. But he was voting Stutters D1(confirmed town) & Bourneq before AFKing EoD. So he "let" townies die, too. And he hasn't done anything of note that screams town. If anything, his moodiness fits his scum meta. And the case he put on RSo could be applied to him, as well. Breshke is still my strongest scumread. And his weird switch at eod still makes no sense to me, however I spin it. It really isn't far fetched to think they're scumming together(Purp Bresh). Feels like he's trying to end the game here by sheeping Prpl onto RSo. And I just checked the thread and this guy claimed Vig. Yep total scum. ##Vote: Breshke Look ive been your strongest scumread. If you were the vig you would have known shooting put us into mylo. So you would obviously shoot your TOP scumread not stutters or even maybe HTS no way. | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote: Because I wanted to shoot him N1. I didn't get into the game in time to feel right about it. I had a gut feeling about him all game and D2 didn't feel that much better. I also noticed what Breshke did about him bread crumbing blue but his exact statement was that we'd see why he was town D2. So I shot him. I left you because I felt I could get support for your lynch, especially after D2/N2. I honestly thought I was nailing two scum here. Again I've never played vig before and replacing has been an experience for me. No i don't believe it. You scumread me for pressuring him about his breadcrumb post and now you come out and say it is a reason for why you shot him. That is bullshit i don't believe it. | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote: Thankyou i could logically understand this | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote: I was also set to be lynched at one point and said town would feel stupid as fuck when I flipped. I was leading votes at the time. I mean, you don't have to believe me. I claimed because I am the vigi and I threw this game. Town is probably mad as hell at me and I understand why. At least this way I don't drag it out and Fuck us any harder than I already have. No you don't egt to give up if you are actually the town vigi which i still highly doubt. Why did you shoot stutters for "breadcrumbing blue" when you scumread me for pressuring him about that post. Also why would you shoot him for that reason when he could have been the vet or medic (its deffs vet there no way its medic) | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:45 rsoultin wrote: he clearly was scumreading him at one point...in fact he was shining's first scumread. it jives :/ So the bolded obviously wouldnt have been applicable anymore. And a large part of that scumread is seemingly because he has been wrong which you yourself said isnt alignment indicative. I know you didnt quote this saying you agree with it but im saying this read is so old and outdated that there is no way he shoots stutters over me. | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote: lol >< the only thing that isn't valid anymore is the townlean on you Ehh basically the only things in this read are the fallback lynch and that she sheeped his vote onto plot. The other stuff has nothing to do with alignment. On April 16 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote: Because I wanted to shoot him N1. I didn't get into the game in time to feel right about it. I had a gut feeling about him all game and D2 didn't feel that much better. I also noticed what Breshke did about him bread crumbing blue but his exact statement was that we'd see why he was town D2. So I shot him. I left you because I felt I could get support for your lynch, especially after D2/N2. I honestly thought I was nailing two scum here. Again I've never played vig before and replacing has been an experience for me. Also another thing with this reasoning. If shining is the cop or vigi i dont really see the logic behind giving stutters a day pass for saying this. Him saying this to me ment he was vigi or cop because those roles could claim the next day confirming themselves. So why doesn't shining think stutters could be the medic or vet and didnt egt a save and didnt get shot. So basically he is saying he shot shining because he had an early scum read on him and because he bread crumbed a role (which i have shown to be bullshit) Also saying he didnt shoot me because he thought he could get people to lynch me today seems so absurd if you couple it with his lack of confidence saying he is a newbie and replaced in. | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:56 rsoultin wrote: i have never, in any game, had to implore you to read this much, breshke >< the main thrust was not the wanting to vote for townreads/townleans, it was how shit the reasoning behind those votes was, and that opinion is just as true today as it was the day those were posted where did your objectivity go? the only way i can call this town behavior is if you've got an extreme case of confirmation bias, which is not a flaw i normally associate with you >< No because im so sure that he would shoot me in that situation. If your town i apologize i can see how id be annoying as fuck right now but I just took a risky as fuck play and i feel like it payed off and im excited. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: Breshke I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check. Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining. Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. I dont do wills either. Im not saying its scummy to do wills. I was saying its scummy for rso not to do wills. Why are you so believing of shining? Have you seen his reason for shooting stutters. Tell me how it makes sense? | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: ^^ back to the brilliant breshke metaread lol >< when i've demonstrably done a will this game the first night and not done them in some nights in my recent towngames -golf claps- i am getting so sick and tired of people thinking they can metaread me >< and of metareads that has to be one of the shittiest. at least try something i can't defend against lol "she's too passive, therefore, scum!" - marv, XXX "she didn't post within the first two minutes!" - LS, aperture blah -_- No im not pushing that read im explaining to tube the read because he seemed to think i meant no will = mafia. The fact that your diving the shining and finding his reads on stutters makes me actually weaver on you a shit ton. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: Breshke I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check. Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining. Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. I dont get how tube believes shining so quick without adressing the fact of why he shot stutters. Also youd think that fact that the shining wants to lynch one of his town reads you would think he would take pause and talk to him about that before believing him straight away | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:12 The Shining wrote: But I do. I still think you'll flip scum. I'm still voting you. If you don't, gg. If you do, I die tonight and my game is over. I'm fine with that. I'm already done with this one, due in large part to how badly I played. And since I'm alrdy getting flamed in Obs, I'm sure, I'll add fuel to the fire saying this: you were blue fishing there. I wasn't looking for him to claim. I was looking for him to cash in on that promise of me seeing why he was town. I didn't see it so I shot. You were a town lean at one point for me. Stutters was a scum read that I said had "significantly better" activity and couldn't be lynched D2. I was torn between you two. I saw scum in both of you at different points. I decided to trust my original gut instinct from D1. I dont buy this seriously if you are vigi and you did shoot stutters who cares noone can flame you we have miss lynched twice everyone's obviously hasnt been doing the best. Can you explain how you thought he would prove himself to be town D2 if you thought he was bread crumbing a role? | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:16 Tubesock wrote: Ok, I may eat my words later if Shining gets CC'd but I think the scenario where he doesn't shoot D1 can be explained by lack of confidence in D1 reads. I think that too he thought D3 he was up for a mlynch or that town had high risk for it. If he waited till N3 it would be too late. I'll look back on his read. There are some other things that I'm considering that fit the world I'm seeing. I was confused with your Prp hammer but was giving you excuses. And this fakeclaim play is so bad. I think you see that you can sweep town and are going for the big play now. I understand Prplhz's reasons for foregoing the no lynch. He thinks he has it solved (he's wrong). But you don't have the game solved so I don't like your reasons to skip no lynch at all. No fucking way. It's such bad play. But you want to end this because you are mafia. I wont argue the fake claim play could be total shit. I will argue this. What do we get from a no lynch. Someone who most people agree is town dies. Probably you or trefel. That gets us nowhere and we still HAVE TO lynch mafia tomorrow. Instead we lynch today. We lynch mafia today and if we lynch the roleblocker then there is every chance mafia tries to shoot the vet and we gain a misslynch. Lynching today gives us a chance to get a misslynch back. No lynching gets us nothing but one dead townie. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote: that at least makes more sense than thinking he'd claim lol >< but that still doesn't explain why you thought breshke "blue-fishing" at your scumread made him scum? i'm really confused how you can think they're scum together, where breshke is doing something that could be construed as blue-fishing a scummate who is softing blue? or not...softing blue? like how does that thought process even go, shining? Holy shit i ddint even think of it from this point of view. Rso is so right here it makes no sense to think we are scum together if you thought i was blue fishing | ||
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On April 15 2015 10:35 The Shining wrote: I want to take a look at votes. When two wagons are this close, and there are active players moving to defend one or both lynches, it makes me think one of those wagons was scum. In a town v town scenario, I feel there would be less resistance as scum would be getting one step closer to their wincon regardless of who is lynched. Instead, the wagons were close right up until EoD. Final vote count: TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel Breshke (0): The Shining (1): Bourneq (1): prplhz Half the Sky (0): prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke Stutters695 (0): Off of votes alone, prpl looks the worst. He is the lone wasted vote and afk at Eod. Bourne has been consistent in scumming/wanting to lynch Dwarf and him not providing anything for town to work with. He was also the first vote on Dwarf. I can't see scum Bourne being this dead set, specially as a newbie, on going after the same ML d1 & d2. Next is me. Objectively, my vote comes in right when I come back to thread. Being on my way to work, I was afraid I'd miss EoD but that wasn't the case. And I read Dwarf time and again. From my entrance to now, I could not see the town in him. I've alrdy addressed JJB's thoughts on Prpl being the one defending Dwarf when everyone else had him null at best. This leaves Tube, RSo, Trfel. I'm still not convinced Trfel is scum, as his play does not fit what I know of his scum meta. Aside from him voting with his top scumread, I can't see scum motivation in any of his posts. I do see a lot of analysis and critical thinking, in spite of the fact most of it is directed towards me. I had to step back and look objectively at RSo. I might be blinded by the fact that her voting Dwarf essentially saved me. However, knowing my alignment and now Dwarf's, I can't think of the scum motivation for her switching off. Breshke came back to tell me his placeholder vote on me was now a real vote after I cased him. OMGUS? No, because he then last minute shenannies onto Prpl in an attempt to hammer him at 4 votes, even though BD hit 4 first. The for his shenanny vote just feels so off. Both jjb and I have addressed it. Stutters and HTS have both been vocal about their scum read on Prpl. The timing and reasoning of those votes seem pretty sound to me. I'm still phone posting so after this post, I'll be diving Prpl, Tube and JJB. I can't remember if JJB had any build up to voting Prpl, Tube is the only vote I can't explain on Dwarf(i think I remember him wanting to lynch Dwarf early, just need to verify), and Prpl is the lone wasted vote on Bourne, afkd EoD and isn't defending himself. & Breshke, I still think may be scum, although I'm not as familiar with his meta to be figuring out if he's a risk/reward kind of player or not. Joking about a fake cop claim isn't cool, either, Prpl. =/ This is one of the only times you mention stutters during the night. If you were flip floppping between us why not interact with him. I wasn't around so you could have tried to talk to him. You also say that his reason for voting was "sound". THERE IS NO WAY SHINING SHOT STUTTERS | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:26 Tubesock wrote: We gain 5 days before we lynch. Mafia are in a race against time. No lynch provides a great resource for town. Another night kill and time to sort out the rest. We must see this differently. I will take a chance at a extra misslynch over 2 more hours to talk always. It just makes so much more sense to me. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote: this is actually true...lol >< eh my plan was more conservative, hoping that scum wouldn't pick off a blue out of the five players left -_- honestly bresh i thought you might be wifoming if you were town and that was why the ALL CAPS the mafia WILL DEFINITELY KILL ME in your post, like you were trying to tell the real vig not to CC you lol >< but here's the thing, breshke...why would scum CC you here, huh? they know there's a vig, it would be a vote-off between you and them...lol it's like 10x more likely the real vig CCs here >< which is why i kept saying not to because he thouught i was the actual vig and i am one of their only miss lynches left. He cc's me he thinks i stick to my claim and then they try lynch me for the win. Also if you actually are town and shining loses the CC battle with me then you probably get lynched because you are the one that stopped the lynch wagon on him. Everyone needs to clarify if they are or are not the vigi when they come into the thread. Do not say you are vt or whatever just say if you are vigi or not. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:29 The Shining wrote: Ebwop: Clicked post on phone instead of expand. Hate phone posting. As for Bresh, it was the way he did it. So much talk of roles and set up in his filter. Forcefully pushing Stutters to claim. He really wanted to know. Like I said, I was torn between the two. I guess I should've explained it more clearly. I couldn't tell if they were both scum but I knew I read both of them scum at one point. Stutters early, Bresh recently. If Stutters flipped scum, it effectively would've thrown scum off track and made this game easier, as well as shed new light on the Stutters-Bresh interaction. It would've helped me re evaluate Breah. If Stutters flipped town, which he did, it cemented what I already thought in that Bresh is scum and was blue fishing. Yet none of this logic was brought up in your voting for no lynch post. I still don't believe it you are making this up on the spot. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:37 rsoultin wrote: tch if you're town you're griping at him for the same reason that i was griping at hts ^^ only his actions actually make sense given the explanation, where hers really didn't. what if no one cc's him bresh? that said, the absence of a noticeable scumread thing, shining, is still a problem for me >< I don't want to talk about this just yet because int hat eventuality ill need to explain something else. Can we just wait until everyone has claimed vigi or not and then we can come back to this post as a whole. Even the second unbolded bit is related to it. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:40 rsoultin wrote: meh -_- ##unvote regardless i think the value of a no-lynch is long gone by now I do feel bad because i basically forced town upon taking what i think is the best play. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:43 The Shining wrote: I didn't think that he was crumbing a role. You did. I just said I noticed the same post you did, in large part due to the fact that you pointed it out. I was waiting for him to step up and bleed town for me. I can't say I'm great at reading people, though, and I was also unsure on Prpl so I had to choose. I didn't get that town feel from him. Maybe if he had done more instead of tunneling Prpl, or actually gotten Prpl lynched and a scum flip, I may have seen it. Once again i disagree. Look at this post here. On April 14 2015 10:33 Stutters695 wrote: Sure have. WIFOM son. Am I blue, am I VT? Who knows, but my posting should make it pretty obvious I'm town. I think this makes it clear he knew it was him "softing" a role. Also it also infers that he wouldn't be stepping up his game play at all because he already thought he was obvious town through posting so he couldn't have ment that he would show he was obvious town through posting more. I feel like this doesn't make sense but what im saying is this post basically clarify s he was softing a role and i dont think shining would have missed it if he was flip flopping between me and stutters | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:53 rsoultin wrote: >< lol i get what you're saying, bresh i'm having trouble understanding this, too, but i'm not going to vote an un-cc'd vig in MYLO no matter how weird it sounds. if shining's a fake and the real vig doesn't CC here, that's on him i still don't get scum CCing you right here -_- it doesn't make sense I understand this and ill probably jsut be waiting for everyone to drop into the thread. | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote: No lynch post: Why the Fuck would I come out and explain that logic in a post where I decided not to claim? Read the bolded. How would I know how the vigi is feeling? It was an attempt at bread crumbling before I decided to claim. I was torn on claiming after EoN. Okay that looks good ill admit that. Why didnt you explain that stutters flipping town makes me more likely mafia because i was role fishing on him. That is the logic i was talking about that you could explain without having to claim vigi. | ||
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On April 16 2015 11:02 The Shining wrote: Breshke is scum trying to win the game. I don't even care anymore. Half the living players are here right now and no CC. He's probably yelling in scum QT for a scum mate to CC me. I'm actually really curious to see who it'll be. And he's saying he may or may not be blue in that post. That is not softing. Prpl opened up with I may or may not be scum? But that gets overlooked cuz who would soft scum like that, right? Same principle applies to that soft claim. I really wish you had just shot me if you actually are the vigi | ||
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On April 16 2015 11:10 rsoultin wrote: lol >< two players turn up and one of them isn't bourne, and i wonder what people were smoking -_- frankly but, eh, i can't say anything. i was a terrible blue i'm actually waffling on bresh again now -_- the only possible scum motivation i can think of for a fake vigi claim is...lol well pretty much what shining has already said. forcing us to lynch today and the vig to claim. obviously it isn't scum-favored to have a no-lynch. meh. i'd feel way more comfortable about it if bresh didn't make it clear he was trying to trap scum into ccing him though >< that's just stupid if you're town, bresh, sorry, but it's what i think >< just wait for everyone to come to the thread | ||
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On April 16 2015 11:02 Tubesock wrote: There is something else important about this post. Want to explain? | ||
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On April 16 2015 11:52 jarjarbinks wrote: just reading up now...anyone else in thread? Yes. Are you the vigi | ||
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Prp has basically said he isnt vigi so now we are just waiting on either you or bourne because prp has claimed vanilla and i think i would probably believe shining over borne anyway since he has even less reason to shoot stutters | ||
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On April 16 2015 11:59 Trfel wrote: And before you ask, of course I'm joking. The only real conclusion to be drawn from this is that Breshke and The Shining decided to make this game even more of a nightmare than it already is. I have a history paper due tomorrow, once I turn that in I will try to catch the scum. But it does sort of appear that we need to lynch today now. ##unvote And if there is a real vigilante who is not The Shining, they definitely should counterclaim. not really the shinings fault. I forced him to claim there if he is the real vigi i guess. If it was anyone but him or rso my plan was good i think idk | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:13 Breshke wrote: Okay im not sure if this is the right move but I am the vigi and I shot stutters last night. It was a very poor decision and i hesitated on it because he softed blue earlier and i was worried he was the vet. Then he started pushing me after i tried to hammer someone who he had been scumreading and it just gave me really bad vibes. The bad thing from this shot, we go into mylo the good is that i am quite confident that rso and shining are mafia Anyway I WILL BE SHOT TONIGHT and i was hoping someone would fake claim this because the fake claim would most likely have been the vet trying to pull a bullet since if we manage to kill the role blocker today that play would have effectively gained us a miss lynch. WHICH IS WHY WE DONT NO LYNCH. Let me reiterate. The vet does not claim here noone else claims here because mafia HAS TO shoot me else they risk shooting into the vet and if we kill Rso or maybe shining we have a 1/3 shot of killing the role blocker which effectively means if the vet ever gets shot we gain a misslynch,. The bolded is a fairly important paragraph. This is exactly what i was trying to do. I am the Veteran. This is part of the reason why i brought the logic up why there is most likely a verteran because i wanted the possible cop to know not to rely on a medic. Also why i was asking about roleblocks because the person who was roleblocked would have been very suspicious because if there was a vigi there was no reason for scum to not roleblock there kill but if there was a cop that person would have been less suspicious. Rso actually noticed that that paragraph was me trying to tell the real vigi not to out. This was probably a shit idea because at the time I honestly thought shining and rso were scum. It is probably better that this happend because i could have been persuaded to vote shining today and mafia only needs one town voting wrong so we would have lost. I didn't interact in the thread last night because i felt it was useless because i knew i could clear myself by claiming vet(which is dumb) but it is also why ive been playing different/more reckless this game At least the newbies are seeing how not to play lol | ||
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Claim vigi. Get shot during the night and unclaim vigi right before day post. Shining claimed vigi and i was so sure he was scum claiming to try and win the game. It seems that i am wrong | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:23 Trfel wrote: Furthermore, if we have a real veteran, they should counterclaim Breshke. I would say more, but this is a newbie game. Thus it's not appropriate. However, perhaps next newbie game, we should make sure that everyone gets coaches? | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:25 The Shining wrote: I've played 3-4'games here, I think. This is 4th or 5th. I hold n illusions, I am definitely still a newb. he probably means me dude dw it fine I have to claim here or town just keeps going the wrong way. | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:31 Trfel wrote: He's right. Let's be honest. If he really is the veteran here, he never gets night killed. And with a vigilante who already fired, scum just roleblocks their target consistently, so the veteran is worthless until the roleblocker is dead. To focus town's discussion in the right way, it's definitely worth it for him to claim when he did. I apologize for my words, they were not called for. What happened happened, time to move on. This is another reason i tried to make this play because i was never going to get night killed. I thought the gamble of trying to lynch the roleblocker would be worth it. I also figured that if we didnt kill the roleblocker they wouldn't kill me the "vigi" because they would need to try kill the vet while they still could. It was risky and obviously dumb so ill stop trying to justify it. | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:42 Tubesock wrote: So your plan was to make a big play, hope we not only lynch mafia but also 33% chance hit the roleblocker? Not to mention the risk of how much chaos this causes talking about if the CC is real or scum? Your plan is that scum would automatically see your claim and decide to CC or bank on them CCing the real vigi? And then how long did you wait for this play to develop? Now you claim Vet. So, more chaos. You're saying you're playing weird because you are vet. What was your strategy prior to the last night actions? I claim vigi. Other vigi is like wtf why would he do that. I specifically say why the vet would claim vigi in my claiming vigi post. Real vigi sees this and is like ohhhhh ok. I banked on noone CC'ing. Even if we lynch scum today if we dont lynch the roleblock i probably dont die because scum needs to try kill the vet before they lose role block. I realize misinformation for town is bad and i shouldn't have done it. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel The Shining (1): TheBloodyDwarf Bourneq (1): prplhz prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke Just off of D2 votes everyone on prp wagon other than me(pending everyone confirming theya rnt vet) is confirmed town excluding JJB. I don't think JJb was around near end of lynch but still i think it is unlikely he afk's his vote or leaves his vote on his partner here when he could so easily get lynched. I do not think JJB and prp could be mafia together as this vote would not make sense. Prp pushing on bourne all game would also have to be a bus if he is mafia which would be weird. I need a break be back later | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:50 Tubesock wrote: This is just opening it up for mafia to fakeclaim and then we fight it out on who is scummier Breshke or whoever claims. Is this any better of a position? Why wouldnt a one in two be good. | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote: im all for mafia cc'ing me I wont be rolling over after i fuck up bad do not interpret this to be directed at you shining you probs wouldn't but im just making sure | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:58 Tubesock wrote: If you are mafia you also have every reason to tryhard here too. This is wifom at best. ##Unvote ##No Lynch Yeah i didn't say that. Im saying that if there is another person who wants to claim vet they should. Which i thought you were disagreeing with. | ||
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So if your going to start pushing scum on people for saying stutters was vigi shot you should include me. | ||
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On April 16 2015 17:00 Tubesock wrote: Rsoultin is right, you guys are talking in circles. I'll say again. Rsoultin, Prplhz, and The Shining are all town. I'm going to prove this. I'll ask you some questions but these all have a point. Just bear with me. When mafia decide their nightkills what is the generally accepted strategy? Seems simple right? Keep It Simple Stupid. Seems like the most logical thing to do is shoot the towniest people or the most dangerous. Ones who are on the right track or most townread. Even a mixture of the two and averaged out or something. Or confirmed towns too. We don't have any of those just yet. Sort of now though. With all our dead towns there is a distinct pattern. It adds up to a story. Yeah, some of the points don't stand alone, but added up it's shows scum motivation. Voting analysis is useless. HA! It's not a strong a truth as dying, but it tells the story of intention. Which leads to the truth. I really hate this post. What are you even trying to say. | ||
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On April 16 2015 18:01 Tubesock wrote: I think I know what's going on. While I think I'm right, I will acknowledge I was wrong on TheBloodyDwarf. I don't always get all the scum, but I at least get two. Anyway, what I'm thinking. Soren333 was widely towned. Others too probably but I think he was the most towned. In his filter he scummed TheBloodyDwarf, Onegu, Prplhz, Slotspot, and Bourneq. Holyflare subs in. So, doubly obvious night kill. Half the Sky was also widely towned. Trfel and many others of you already agreed she was the obvious night kill. What were her big things? Big case on Onegu. Who was under suspicion? Breshke. Who was scumread? Bourneq. Plotspot. Here's Half the Sky's assessment of Onegu's vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=61#1220 I also think that Onegu's vote on Breshke was a joke. He didn't say hardly anything about it (typical Onegu behavior though) and then came in calling us idiots for not being on the "scumclaim". I asked him where his vote was and then "oh "forgot" ##Vote: lotspot. I think he was obviously looking to change his vote, that vote wasn't serious at all. Patterns.... TheBloodyDwarf Stutters695 while vigi shot, there is still information. It's not as solid or anything, but things of note. He scummed Breshke. Trfel also said Stuters695 was on his most suspicious list before Stutters died. Breshke last words about Stutters while alive were "I can't vote him now but I hope I don't regret it." then votes The Shining. I'll have individual cases on the three as well tomorrow. We have time to talk about it. Okay i havnt really read this but explain who the vet is if it isn't me. The only person who hasnt had a chance to claim is bourne and both of us are red in your post so either you accept im the real vet or you think he is going to CC me in which case both of us cant be mafia | ||
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You also pull examples like my last words on stutters saying i cant vote him now or whatever and pull no conclusions from it. I really really don't like this post either. | ||
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On April 16 2015 18:24 Tubesock wrote: You could be the real vet. But I'm also considering if you are fakeclaiming the real vet may not want to claim just yet. I don't mind giving it time. You can say what you want, but this post had nothing but facts. It's all actions YOU did. I will admit, it is entirely possible you are town or Trfel or Bourneq is. I'm going to have the rest of my thoughts out in the morning to have as much time as possible to talk about it. MYLO is the time for town to stop and think. Then post. THINK. Yeah i get im dumb and made a bad play so i need to think but have you read trefels post explaining why the vet would 100% claim. I dont see why you would pursue something that literally is a waste of your time. Also that post is not about actions i did the only thing you mention i did is say i wouldnt vote stutters without explaining how that is scummy. The rest you seem to scumread me for what the fact that onegu voted me? Also that iw as in HTS "look into list" which you were also in. If you are saying that is motivation for me to NK her wouldnt you have the same exact motivation? | ||
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On April 16 2015 18:27 Tubesock wrote: Patterns. Town will read this and figure out what I'm trying to say. Go ahead and dismiss it. But i am town? Is this you CC'ing me? im really fucking confused. | ||
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On April 17 2015 02:10 prplhz wrote: @trfel FACT: i was the main opposition to the plot lynch. FACT: i was the main opposition to the dwarf lynch. FACT: if your scum team has me and bourneq i have been pushing my newbie teammate all game long from his very first post. FACT: these are objectively the towniest things anybody in this thread have done. and they're all me. breshke has come close with some of his analysis. FACT: if you mislynch me here that's NOT GOING TO BE NOMINATED FOR A MAFIA AWARD Prp what analysis of mine have you liked? | ||
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On April 10 2015 13:47 Tubesock wrote: Prplhz seems carefree and saying things to further discussion and whatnot. The problem is like HTS and Rsoultin it isn't anything that I don't think he can do as scum. I don't understand his Bourneq stuff. Or at least how it's less scummy than Postpol or bloodydwarf. He scums Bourneq for not caring about his post, but then doesn't care at all that Rsoultin said she would lynch HTS for being townie? Isn't that weird? I'd place you in the same category (can't town due to fear) but your post about BloodyDwarf I don't see can come from scum. You talked about how he is probably playing like that because of the SC2 arcade, but then say he's still scum for HTS' points. I think if you were scum you wouldn't consider him town at all. If you are scum, you're making it harder on yourself to lynch him. Hence my town read on you. Soren is digging in and following through with people more than he would need to as scum. On April 11 2015 01:22 Tubesock wrote: Why am I the only one towning Breshke for his waffling on Dwarf? He has like 4 posts about Dwarf considering his actions. He's showing more indepth digging than a lot of you are. What would mafia!breshke gain from this? I'm missing something here. I have a hard time seeing mafia!Breshke waffling like this. TheBloodyDwarf: What are your reads? Who is your primary lynch target? You have some time to prove your towniness and you do have some support so it shouldn't be too difficult, you have something like 30 hours left. I'll remove my vote on you, but until you show some reads and critical thinking you are still my likely lynch. ##Unvote On April 11 2015 19:35 Tubesock wrote: These reek of covering his ass as mafia. It's pretty waffly. I think it's different than how Breshke waffled on Dwarf though. I feel like Breshke didn't actually care what people though of his waffle. Yet, this is very much defensive. On April 15 2015 05:24 Tubesock wrote: Don't move to Breshke. He hasn't been leading town at all but I've liked all the interactions I've had with him and with others. He's been a useful sounding board. Definitely worth more to keep around that Dwarf. Within the spoiler are times before this phase where tube gives a read on me. They are all town but that is not necessarily important. Look at the logic. Look at his reasons for the read. In every case it shows logic which you i think most people would agree with or at least come to an understanding of how he could see it that way. He also makes clear conclusions from every point he brings up. Moving onto this phase we have this post. On April 16 2015 18:01 Tubesock wrote: I think I know what's going on. While I think I'm right, I will acknowledge I was wrong on TheBloodyDwarf. I don't always get all the scum, but I at least get two. Anyway, what I'm thinking. Soren333 was widely towned. Others too probably but I think he was the most towned. In his filter he scummed TheBloodyDwarf, Onegu, Prplhz, Slotspot, and Bourneq. Holyflare subs in. So, doubly obvious night kill. Half the Sky was also widely towned. Trfel and many others of you already agreed she was the obvious night kill. What were her big things? Big case on Onegu. Who was under suspicion? Breshke. Who was scumread? Bourneq. Plotspot. Here's Half the Sky's assessment of Onegu's vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=61#1220 I also think that Onegu's vote on Breshke was a joke. He didn't say hardly anything about it (typical Onegu behavior though) and then came in calling us idiots for not being on the "scumclaim". I asked him where his vote was and then "oh "forgot" ##Vote: lotspot. I think he was obviously looking to change his vote, that vote wasn't serious at all. Patterns.... TheBloodyDwarf Stutters695 while vigi shot, there is still information. It's not as solid or anything, but things of note. He scummed Breshke. Trfel also said Stuters695 was on his most suspicious list before Stutters died. Breshke last words about Stutters while alive were "I can't vote him now but I hope I don't regret it." then votes The Shining. I'll have individual cases on the three as well tomorrow. We have time to talk about it. First reason for cumming me in this post is that HTS had me in her suspicious section. Under review: Breshke - D1 activity okay, D2 activity illogical, need to check town meta Tubesock - Trace all read progression. Did town him for tinfoil/GF theories, but needed to see how he drove the Dwarf lynch. Need to review why he dropped prplhz as a scumread. Shining - Super low activity from him and Ace. Meta-ed him post-lynch and didn't look good but need to check latest posts. I do not see how he finds this a reason to scum me when he himself and the other UN COUNTER CLAIMED pr are also in this list. This is not a logical conclusion that someone would make. Im skipping the joke vote from onegu on me because I doubt that was a joke vote more likely onegu just lost interest and it is so so so unlikely if i was mafia id be mafia with onegu/trefel. Last in this post he refers to me saying I could not vote stutters yet fails to explain how this would make me scum. He doesn't even draw the conclusion that this would make me scum he simply states that it was something i said. How does this add to his case? Why did he bring it up if he then didn't further refer to it in his later case on me? This obviously was not a very important point to him so why did he point it out. + Show Spoiler + On April 17 2015 02:57 Tubesock wrote: Breshke is mafia. I think his actions so far in the game show mafia intent. I want you guys to reread Breshke again. 1. Vote progression Day 1. I already linked the Day 1 final vote. Note he voted TBD, says well maybe he's lynchbait, then parks his vote on Plotspot who was also lynchbait. This could be towny. Add this up to the rest of his actions though. While town!Breshke is capable of this so is Breshke. 2. Vote Progression Day 2. Removed votes on The Shining and Stutters695 and ends up on Prplhz because that's + Show Spoiler [what he would have wanted] + On April 15 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote: So i want to explain my EoD actions because not many people seem to be understanding. There was three wagons. Shining, who i think is scum Prp, who i was null town leanish/hadn't looked into much since D1 TBD who I had no diea about. It was obvious to me that the shining misslynch was not going to go through. The only person whow anted it in the thread as much as i did was trefel. After realising i would not get the lynch i wanted i assessed the other two wagons. Rso and shining were both voting on TBD. If shining is scum RSo is most likely his partner because the way is ee it she stopped im from getting lynched EoD. That coupled with the fact with how fast she flipped her read on me while seemingly calling me town all game leads me to think they are both scum. This lead me to the conclusion that i would rather lynch Prp than dwarf because if shining and rso are scum they would not BOTH be voting their scum partner TBD therefore it would be more likely that prp was scum than TBD I honestly don't know where the bolded part has come from but I want you to know whatever your alignment and whatever my allighnment this is not how i was trying to come across to you. I hoenstly did not think you would get enough votes on me and i was having a hard enough time actually finding someone i thought was scum after i flipped on bourne so i wasn't interested in trying to defend myself with like half an hour left when i felt it wasnt necessary and there was more important things to do. Interesting post. He has demonstrated that he was scumming Shining for reasons. The weird thing though is he was also "scumming" Rsoultin for basically for: On April 15 2015 05:28 Breshke wrote: RSO could easily be scum here for thinking i was town enough to vote shining straight after i do.basically cheerleadering.me then trying to wagon me with shining when she thinks i.womt rock up(won't wake up??). But later Rso posts quite a few quotes where she says she's scumming him. So, uh it's not like he's reading the thread that well. Or misrepresenting it. So is this a reason to scum her AND also vote to kill a townlean over a "I have no idea on"? He knows both Prplhz and TheBloodyDwarf are town. How careful does Breshke have to be? This looks like scum keeping his excuses open and his miss lynches available. This is also a great example to show that he isn't really trying to solve the game. 3. Bluehunting Stutters695 + Show Spoiler [Bluehunting] + On April 12 2015 11:28 Stutters695 wrote: Assume I'm town for a second(you'll see why d2). Prpl tries to switch the wagon onto me. From a scum perspective: He mislynches me (I get harder to mislynch as the game goes on generally) On April 13 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote: I am really interested what stutters means by the bolded.. On April 13 2015 14:25 Breshke wrote: Also i kind of want to vote stutters until he explains why we would all understand he was town on D2 because there's no point pretending he didn't say that. Bluehunting again. Apparently, Breshke expected Stutters695 to respond "I'm totes DOC/VET/MEDIC/WHATEVER" but instead got: On April 14 2015 10:33 Stutters695 wrote: Sure have. WIFOM son. Am I blue, am I VT? Who knows, but my posting should make it pretty obvious I'm town. On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote: I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase. ##Unvote What exactly did town!Breshke get from this exchange? What did Breshke get? 4. Setup Speculation + Show Spoiler [RB claim etc] + On April 14 2015 12:25 Breshke wrote: There is no setup with both doc and vet? Idk if im misreading what you mean but there is 1 of vigi/cop and one of vet/medic Im saying because of mafias roleblock im like 85% sure we have a vet. I could go further and say there is probably a vigi aswell but that logic comes down to personal preference and how much they thought HF would be a threat. On April 13 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote: The strangest thing to me is reading sorens filter i don't really get any indication that he might be a role so mafia kind of doesn't care about role hunting? Could mean we have a weaker setup? This further strengthens your points one and kind of three i think that mafia were most worried about HF's possible future reads more than they were worried about anything anyone has been pushing so far. This being said night kill WIFOM is a real thing. Also if you were roleblocked you should 100% tell the thread straight away. Does Town!Breshke gain anything from this? What does Breshke gain? Does this look like someone playing VET? Mafia knows if there is a vet or not. If he's the vet why would town!Breshke bother to see if people are roleblocked? He would KNOW there is no Medic. He thinks mafia will fakeclaim a roleblock and not send it on a town? If they are dumb enough to fakeclaim an RB they are dumb enough to send it on a town. He's doing this to create chaos and disrupt scumhunting. 5. I haven't played much mafia. I'm no expert who can immediately pick out future nightkills or anything but I do have an opinion on how a VET probably wants to play. How you might ask? Being super town so that mafia shoots you. You also have motive to play town enough so VIGI doesn't shoot you. Is Breshke's actions from the mindset of a vet? 6. Breshke is not stupid. There is no question that his fakeclaim vig to vet claim is a hail mary. Town, investigate a bit more please to see if this is a hail mary as town or mafia. Reread Breshke's actions. Do not accept "oh I'm dumb" as an excuse. That's the easiest mafia cop out ever. Do you think his bluehunting lines up with him being Vet? Is he doing that breadcrumbing for a town purpose or mafia purpose. Why wouldn't vet just play super town? He really would think that the other blue would be the only one to catch his hint and not one of the three mafia?? I also think that Breshke was excited this phase because he's been bluehunting all game and now he can finally use whatever his bluehunting scheme was from before. I think he decided that he was going to possibly fakeclaim from early on. This hail mary of his is to seal the deal. Inside the spoiler is his individual case on me. 1.Tube actually admits in this point that what I did WAS NOT allighnment indicitive. I am an unclaimed PR. This being said if tube is town he must feel really fucking strongly about me being scum. So his first point in a case on me would not end in "yeah he could do this as town or mafia". There is no way. Nor do i think the argument that I just parked my vote on plot is necessarily true. 2.In this point tube completely ignores my explanation for why I switched my vote from theshining to prp. I am not going to explain it again but once again this is tube ignoring some of my posts so he can once again grasp at things to call me scum with. 3. No conclusions are made from this point. He asks what scum/town breshke would get from bluehunting yet doesnt answer this question himself. Obviously no one is going to respond to this question so why not explain that he thinks I was obviously bluehunting in the thread on stutters then decided that I would not kill him? On April 14 2015 13:58 Breshke wrote: Stutters if you had one read you were most sure of who would it be and what do you think their alignment is? I don't need a reason. He also missed this post which could be seen as the biggest blue hunting post. I knew im the evt so if stutters was a pr he was the cop or vigi and this was me basically trying to get him to soft his checks a obvious as it might've been. 4.This point is absolutly wrong and shows he isn't thinking about what he is even writing. The setup could have been cop/vet in which case mafia probably try and roleblock the cop. Also there is still a possibility in vigi/vet that mafia try and claim a roleblock (after they rb the person they kill) for town cred. Tube asks what i get as town from this, it is clear that in one scenario it was that i should be wary of the eprson who claimed rb and in the other that the person who claimed RB is most likely town. It also was a way of letting the other power role know there was a vet. 5. I think I was fairly townie in the first few days (tube apparently also thought this???) so i don't think i can be criticized for not trying that. Also my comment that it would have been better for the shining to shoot me is 100% justified because we then become basically confirmed to eachother and town doesn't go into mylo. He also asks if my actions are from the mindset of a vet yet fails to show anywhere where he thinks im not coming from the mindset of a vet. 6.The other three mafia wouldnt have exactly caught my play as rso was the only one who pinged out the paragraph where i was trying to make it clear to the vigi not to claim. If it was anyone but shining I think it would have gone better (not because i think he is bad but because he was scum reading me) I also don't understand how my bluehinting from ebfore ties into that play but w/e. Anyway this has become really long so tl dr this shows a clear disconnect in tube's reads where he logically calls me town with reasons to where he starts calling me scum for far far weaker reasons which he constantly fails to draw conclusions from. Making a case on someone who is an unclaimed PR probably means one of two things. You feel really strongly that that person is mafia which tube clearly doesn't as a lot of his points end in questions not conclusions or you plan on CC'ing that person which would be absurd at this point | ||
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Why is that townie. Couldn't I do it as scum for towncred/looking for reactions as id know the setup? | ||
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On April 17 2015 09:47 Tubesock wrote: I didn't spoonfeed the analysis because I want to see who actually reads it and thinks about it. I'm hoping someone comes to me and asks "what did you mean about this paragraph" etc. Then I'll explain it. You guys are playing to whomever is the best arguer. Not doing independent research. Is it really the time for this? You want to be convincing people that your very different point of view is the right one. This simply isnt true. You have no faith in your arguments so you dont try and push them instead you pose them as questions so when you are wrong it doesn't come back to look bad on you. You don't draw conclusions on the things you bring up because you say you need to see people ask questions about it when no instead you need to be showing proper analysis to PROVE someone is mafia and to help see people if you are town but no you are not town you are scum. Also rso do you agree that if me and truffle were scum together e would have just claimed vigi and we probably could have just won. I assume thats why you think we couldnt be together. | ||
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If you want to talk about someone being destructive how is you making a team which involves an un cc'd powerrole in it helpful to town. You arn't even assessing this as an option you are pushing as the world you are living in. Who is scum because im clearly not. I can't see how you could be town here because yes you should look at all the options but is it really realistic to think im scum here? | ||
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On April 17 2015 10:59 rsoultin wrote: xP cute, prp. read my posts and tell me that i'm not treating breshke's claim with skepticism note the only name not mentioned there besides my own was shining's...gonna keep sniping cause that's bound to help your case ^^ Honestly you thinking that there is a possibility that im not the real vet actually hurts. It is so illogical | ||
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On April 17 2015 11:10 Tubesock wrote: Has Trfel done anything town this Day 3? His sole "scumhunting" is in direct response to me scumming him. Otherwise he's trying to lead town to talk about claims and lynch's and whatever but when it comes to actual investigative work he comes up with excuses. And that swap off me to Bourneq is a joke. ##Unvote ##Vote: Trfel Isn't bourne you're scumread? I actually think it is a good point that if bourne was town at least one mafia would be focusing their push on him today as it would be one of the easier miss lynches. | ||
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I think rso is likely town for not continuing the push on you D2 when she figured you might be a role. I was also deliberating the way she handled my vig claim and then your vig claim and decided that i think it comes from a town perspective when she still questioned you about why you shot stutters as if she was mafia she would know you would have to be the real vig. that is a weaker part of the read. I also think tube is mafia for reasons ive said and his change of play from logical well thought out conclusions to this absurd "non spoon feeding analysis". Which to me just comes of as him keeping his options open. I also think bourne is likely to be mafia because of the lack of pressure he has been under when he would be a relatively easy miss lynch. Especially considering most people have said they would kill him yet noone has actually pushed for it up until recently. Shit i gtg but that leaves me with prp jjb and trefel i think trefel is town cosa reasons and also cos i think there is one between prp and jjb. Ill finish this off when i get back | ||
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Also you saying we were on the same wavelength in JOAT is actually true. I townread you for your vote count stuff and play but then you didn't think sl was scum and thought sandroba was and you were correct but still not really the same wavelength. I would probably also rather lynch bourne over tube but for a far worse reason than rso. I don't think tube would play like this if he was the roleblocker as it really doesn't make any sense he is probably trying to avoid a lynch on the RB because that would mean they would have to leave me who would be confirmed alive until final 3. | ||
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Could be persuaded for a bourne lynch. I actually feel more certain on tube though. | ||
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On April 17 2015 13:47 prplhz wrote: rso/jjb/bourneq 2015 Yeah okay so why is tube town. | ||
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On April 17 2015 13:50 prplhz wrote: because he is doing tinfoily shit like just look at that big post he just made on trfel and then he concluded that "trfel may be town here" and then he voted him. i don't know i think scum are more likely to think "i'm going to make a text wall with the conclusion that this dude is mafia" and with that clear aim in mind not stumble upon the words like that. i also said that the way he tinfoiled tbd and then got convinced his theory was nuts and then KEPT his scum read on tbd seemed townie. like you're probably not getting anything out of this but those are some of the strongest reasons i think he is town. I agree the tinfoil on tbd was townie i thought that at the time aswell. But why does a town purposely hold back analysis then when noone seems to agree or even ask about the analysis he doesn't go on to explain stuff to try and convince people of his position. | ||
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On April 17 2015 13:50 rsoultin wrote: fine don't talk to me, don't reevaluate, just dick around, whatever. i hope you're scum here for more reasons than one, prp >< @bresh...what makes you more sure on Tube? i'm fine with either really lol >< Tube doesn't think he is a great player saying in some of his points he is a newbie whatever whatever and thats fair enough. I then dont see that reflected in him assessing trefel and myself which like no one agrees with and saying he is just trying to get all the worlds out there and then not assessing the other worlds. I cant see how this is town. Like with TBD he admitted himself that his theory was out there yet with his scumread on me he sounds more sure and not willing to consider other things. | ||
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On April 17 2015 13:57 prplhz wrote: whatever, okay i'm going to vote with breshke here and hope he realizes whatever. he's town and he's not going to die. breshke you control my vote. who are you voting right now? I honestly dno between tube and bourne. How long until you are leaving and will you be back at all before the lynch? Also i am going to die if we don't kill the RB. | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:00 prplhz wrote: like explain to me why rso is considering that there is an unclaimed vet right now. she is essentially saying that we are in lylo and someone has a red check that they have decided not to tell the town. i could be nailing her completely for that right now but i just burnt my fingers on that way too ma From her explanation before she isn't really she just doesn't want to call me confirmed because my play has been off. it is fair but she doesn't understand that she saw shinings blue soft posts and i didnt so when she moved off his wagon and onto TBD who i thought was null and it just seemed like he was getting hammered into oblivion it put up red flags for me and only made my prior albeit small suspicions on the shining even strong and linked her to him. This being said I can udnerstand this from her point of view because she told me to go back and read and i did but i still didn't pick up on those posts (i assume thats why you said go back and read idk?). Anyway all this amounts to her not wanting to call me confirmed because theres that little nagging thing in the back of hr mind thats like wtf if this guys scum i dont want to lose to him. Well thats how i see it anyway. Like look at her post she said im the towniest of the 6 unconfirms im basically confirmed to her she just is being stubborn. | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote: I honestly dno between tube and bourne. How long until you are leaving and will you be back at all before the lynch? Also i am going to die if we don't kill the RB. prp this is important for you to respond to. Like give me hours or whatever that you can even check in in case you need to change you vote. We need all town voting together and i obviously think you may still be town here. | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote: lol >< kinda? i dunnae it was obvious to me, so i figured it would be obvious to anyone paying attention, but i'm not going to sit there and go I THINK SHINING IS BLUE LOOK AT WHAT HE JUST SAID when he's not getting lynched anyway lol >< saying any townie who wasn't retarded would never lynch shining today was toeing the line enough lol you focusing in on that made me flail; i only wanted to mention prp but actually i'm hoping something i'm not going to talk about, but regardless i think you're way more likely to be town here than scum >< nah i know pointing it out defeats the point but I honestly just didn't see it and i think thats where most of the troubles have come from. Cheers. Im really intrested in what shining has to say. Also bourne when he reaprears | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote: Why are you guys towning Trfel? For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts. None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? because 100% im mafia so if YOU WERE town mafia doesn't care because you are just wasting your time | ||
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I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote: Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today. | ||
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On April 17 2015 14:58 Tubesock wrote: He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part. | ||
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On April 17 2015 15:02 Breshke wrote: Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part. oops you just answered. Who is your least sure townread then? | ||
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On April 17 2015 15:00 Trfel wrote: So. What does a scumteam do when two suspected players claim blue, leaving them close to losing the game due to process of elimination? First thing they ought to do is counterclaim. I think that scum ought to counterclaim at MYLO, at least once. I'm really surprised that they didn't, this either indicates that the scumteam is not very skilled or has an extremely weak thread presence, such that their chances of pulling it off were minimal (or the best counterclaimer was the roleblocker, and it wasn't deemed worth the risk). I can't assume that the scum team is really that incompetent, so I assume that they didn't have the thread presence to pull it off. Therefore, scum wants to probe as many places as possible, and try to see what sticks. If scum can cast doubt on one of the townread players, that is huge for their chances of winning. Town simply has to make sure that they don't get dragged down under the desperate scum attacks, and then make one or two good reads, and it's a win. I think my "play that shall not be named" mad it really hard for scum the CC the vigi. If you look at it from me what we now know that I am town and that shining is town. Also I think that as I had could at least try explain some of my play due to being vet it would have been difficult for scum to CC me there aswell. I also think that if tube is scum he most definitely flirted with the idea of counterclaiming if you look at his play. On April 17 2015 15:02 Tubesock wrote: Yes by far. I think he was faking being town this last day to get us to lynch today. I think he was trying to get credit for "leading town" and I don't think it's a towny direction. Yeah but im town and i also thought lynching was a good idea. Lynching was the play to win whereas no lynching was the play to not lose. | ||
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On April 17 2015 15:02 Breshke wrote: Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part. Ignore the boldded | ||
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On April 17 2015 15:55 Tubesock wrote: What's there to say? I already answered this. Did you see anything about his read list? It literally had scum on every single person. Trfel was like "Ooooh I like this post" because whatever "even if he scumreads inactivity". He didn't notice at all that there were literally 11 scumreads in it. I ask Bourn about it later he says he didn't know what null was. Which whatever he's knew, then later he only has 2 scum reads. Does a massive post on Prplhz but on TBD and Plot. I excused him because I thought he was learning. I don't know why. I think he was more useful that TBD. I'm grabbing a bite to eat so forgive me if I don't keep up the proper post per minute quota. Okay thankyou. Now who are you least sure is town. JJB, prp, Rso, | ||
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So before i go and maybe read more filters im going to do some shit tier analysis. Confirmed town Breshke Shining. That leaves Trefel Tube JJB Prp Bourne Rso I want to effectivly split this group of 6 into three different groups. Group A : JJB and Prp JJB is the only non confirmed town on prp's wagon on a vote that wa something like 4 to 5. For them to be scum together JJB would have to effectively think it was safe for him to afk his vote on a partner and think it was a good idea to solely push his lynch in mylo. Group B : Trefel and tube Tube has come out fairly hard against myself and trefel today. Trefel has reacted to this by pushing back on tube and kind of antagonizing him. In my books this kind of makes them both look worse so I don't think they can both be scum. If someone disagrees with this say because this is where my idea is the weakest. Group C Rsoultin and Bourne No relationship here just the last two remaining players. This is the only group where i think it is possible for both to be scum together. As i think there could only be at most one scum in both Group A and Group B. That means that there has to be at least one in Group C (Rsoultin and bourne). While a scum lynch into either Group A or Group B would mean the other member would be most likely town I think maybe we should lynch between rsoultin and bourne today and most likely bourne because 1. They could both be scum 2. I think the way rsoultin noticed shinings blue soft and unvoted him shoes a very townie mindset. Also i think I like the way she continued to question shining with me about his shot because i think she might have handled that differently as mafia. Basically i townr ead her. Anyway this mostly falls to pieaces if people think trefel and tube could be scum together so i would mostly like input on that. | ||
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I really hate this because we have jsut gone through and lynched all the newbie lurkers. Could probably be convinced to switch to tube since he was very likely to be lynched yet didn't seem to be getting frantic enough considering it would be the lynch that lost the game. | ||
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On April 17 2015 20:18 Bourneq wrote: Well that is not a nice thing to wake up to. 1. Everybody left is in the americas so I am not up for their busses. (excluding prplhz but he seems to be up 24/7) 2. I am going to get lynched and town will loose. 3. Anything I say will just make me look worse. I am going to put my thoughts down anyway. Scum here is certinatly prplhz, jarjar, tube/trfel. Right now there is 2 scums voting on me. Another scum is waiting to see where the rest of the votes go so they can switch onto me if necessary. So everybody that is town will have to vote on the same person to save me. Since I am not universially town read this means I will most certinatly die here. I will flip VT, we will loose. A few things dont really make sense to me in this post. 1. Could you explain to me how you think prp and jarjar could be partners after D2 votes and what has occured today. do you think Jar Jar is bussing really hard when scum only needs one more misslynch to win? Also you say there is two scum voting you. There is only 3 people voting you and one is me who is basically confirmed town. This means you think trefel and prphz is scum. yet when you list out your possible scum you have tube/trefel. This makes me believe that you think tube and trefel could not be scum together so why dont you come to the conclusion that JJb is the last scum. Anyway im keen to see what you bring to the table and I don't think anything you say will deffs make you look worse not sure why you would think that if you are town. | ||
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On April 17 2015 20:46 Bourneq wrote: 1. Because I dont think you nor rso is scum. That leaves prplhz, jarjar, tube/trfel and you since shining is confirmed town, and I dont think you are scum. 2. Tube and trfel could absolutely be scum together. Jarjar never left a town nor scum impression on me but I know its 3 of the 4 people I put on that list that is scum so I put him on there from the process of elimination. lol sorry its just weird to me that you write everyones name then put tube/trefel. It was confusing i thought you were inferring that you thought it was prp + jarjar then one of tube and trefel. I would also like you to go into why YOU think rso is town but that can be saved for last. | ||
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On April 17 2015 21:32 Bourneq wrote: The only reason the lynch is on me at the moment is because scum wants it to be. It will be exactly like the plotspot and dwarf lynches. Did you not vote for both of those lynches? Also this statement isnt even true prp says he will sheep me so isnt this lynch on you of my own choosing? I don't see you trying to work out the game you are just saying stuff to try scare town. | ||
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Rso/shining do you think shining/tube could be scum together? | ||
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Its too late now anyway lets just cross our fingers | ||
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On April 18 2015 09:01 Trfel wrote: The vigilante claim was questionable. The vet claim had to happen there. You weren't going to get shot, and you were under reasonably heavy suspicion. That was a good choice, I think. Questionable lol. We all know it was definitely a bad idea. hahaha I just felt i was useless cos id get rb'd and killed and was selfish so tried to go for a big play. #neveragain | ||
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I just started saying that after i rescinded because shining shooting stutters didnt make much sense to me and i thought he was mafia. I also needed a way to explain my play without saying claiming vet as i thought that was still an option at the time. | ||
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