Newbie Student Mafia VII

On April 06 2015 06:09 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

Can I come back?

On April 10 2015 07:06 Ace1312 wrote:
Yay, game start. I'm excited to read up When I get home from work.

On April 10 2015 07:46 Soren333 wrote:

You're kidding me. That's scummy as hell.

What kind of person says "oh hey guys huehuehue I might or might not be scum derp".

Vote: prplhz

On April 10 2015 07:50 Soren333 wrote:

You need to question the motivation behind his question.

What do you think is prplzl's motivation behind asking that question?

On April 10 2015 08:04 Soren333 wrote:

How is that lurking?

On April 10 2015 08:22 Soren333 wrote:


It's scummy because the question is pointless and he asked it just to appear as though he's trying to do something in the game.

On April 10 2015 08:27 Soren333 wrote:

The reason why I think it's not lurking is because he didn't respond to the vote. If he did respond to the vote it would mean that he was reading the thread but hasn't made any post. Thus he would be lurking.

On the contrary, his opening post is acknowledging that the game started, suggesting that he just checked teamliquid to see if the game started and it did, then commented that he will be posting once he gets home.

On April 10 2015 08:32 Soren333 wrote:


Ok I'll agree that it isn't entirely pointless and it does drive discussion. But it's driving discussion in the wrong direction. Which means were going to be wasting time answering his question. Which is pretty scummy.

On April 10 2015 06:08 prplhz wrote:
i'm around why not talk to me

seriously everybody hates me and i haven't a clue why am i reallly such a horrible person

On April 10 2015 08:32 Bourneq wrote:



The fact that you wrote a fairly pointless sentance stating nothing and then following it up with a question what we think about you not stating anything makes me belive you are either a maffia trying to blend in by drawing attention to yourself so we would think you are not maffia since that would be stupid if you did that as maffia. OR you're a town trying to get a discussion going to give us more information.
But voting for me to be lynched out of me not making any quick judgements on you seems harsh and a stupid thing to do as town.

On April 10 2015 08:51 Bourneq wrote:

The vote on Ace1312 seemed mafia as hell seing he has not even made an introduction so what is the point of throwing such an early vote on somebody who is not here to drive a discussion?

The vote on plotspot was weird but he defended him self by throwing insults at a new player which makes me think poorly on him in general.

The vote on Onegu seems stupid from a mafia perspective tho as he is playing very poorly so I dont know where I stand on plotspot.

On April 10 2015 09:19 Bourneq wrote:
To get back on track thebloodydwarf has been using some really weak arguments and acting generaly scummy.

On April 10 2015 09:28 Breshke wrote:


What are those weak arguments and explain where he has been generally scummy.

On April 10 2015 09:55 Breshke wrote:


Could you answer this please Bourneq

On April 10 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:




I know some attention was already brought to the first quote, and I had questioned as to why he was so fearful of death so early in D1 and when he wasn't under any threat now.

The "digging old things" and the fact he's said it three times - even with emoticons - gives me the impression he's trying to dissuade Soren from looking into him, even if he's trying to show it jokingly.

The vote on prplhz without explanation also makes scumlike behaviour with a page of filter afterwards and Breshke calling that vote into question.

On April 10 2015 10:10 Onegu wrote:
And I stopped claiming VT now I'm just claiming town. Completely different people comeon

On April 10 2015 10:13 rsoultin wrote:


xP

my point is more interesting than this

y so serious, onegu?

On April 10 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:


her entrance wasn't shit, she's been generally level-headed instead of tunnely, and generally her scum game looks better than her town game

shouldn't you be asking me why i think lynching a "townie" hts is the way to go? lolol such jumbled priorities

that said: it's a town!prp

you're already like a kajillion times better than when we scummed together ^^

On April 10 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:
awww and here i was so hoping for newbie outrage :/

but i guess i need to be on when they're on for that

hts was also a bit too friendly with one (or more) of the newbies (i forget who)

i remember going bleary-eyed at the overly friendly have you played before/where did you play/this will be so much fun! digression

On April 10 2015 11:07 Onegu wrote:
Ugh meh she seems like the type to do that with someone though

On April 10 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:


confused maybe?

i see the points against him, but i don't see why that can't come from a new player...it almost falls into the too scummy to be scum category

On April 10 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:




I know some attention was already brought to the first quote, and I had questioned as to why he was so fearful of death so early in D1 and when he wasn't under any threat now.

The "digging old things" and the fact he's said it three times - even with emoticons - gives me the impression he's trying to dissuade Soren from looking into him, even if he's trying to show it jokingly.

The vote on prplhz without explanation also makes scumlike behaviour with a page of filter afterwards and Breshke calling that vote into question.

HTS has been in here off an on and seems like she's pretty active and making reads. Her reads kind of align with vet skill at the time though, at least her town reads.

On April 10 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote:



Ugg really hate this post. Like in my experience calling people lynchbait especially when those players are newer for no reason scummy as hell.

Also rsoul could be scum, her points on HtS are non alignment indicative, she hasn't town read me yet and she is currently like the only person on the site I think can read me correctly. And she plus 1'd the post I'm pointing out for no reason also.

On April 10 2015 15:35 Onegu wrote:



Like you scum read him almost all game and then flip he's lynchbait without any reason.

On April 10 2015 15:41 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Morning guys!

On April 10 2015 23:22 rsoultin wrote:


i was more fine with it before his explanation, honestly? like i get the mindset of trains being too easy but i dunnae most of the thread leading up to his opinion change was why it could just be newbie behavior so doesnt fit so well

On April 10 2015 23:40 Stutters695 wrote:


Yep.

Initial thoughts, I don't like Breshke so far. His defense of prpl is completely unnecessary and it is far too early to be sure of that.

His vote on dwarf had no reasoning before he's back to null on him as well.

I haven't checked his meta, but it gives off a first time scum vibe. He's so afraid of revealing something that he shouldn't know, he's being active without saying anything really.


Phone posting, so these take a hot minute to type up.


Phone posting so these take me a while.

On April 10 2015 23:41 Bourneq wrote:
prp please explain to me why you seem soley focused on me? And that you have been since the very start of day 1. In fact you voted to lynch me before I had time to say anything of note. You seem extremely focused on putting me in the ground even tho you have not given any facts that would really indicate that I was mafia exept me having to be on the defensive all the time. Yet you have been the driving force behind that the entire game.

On April 11 2015 09:01 jarjarbinks wrote:
Breshke a few questions for you:

I believe you are still voting dwarf. If say dwarf came back and made reads and stuff and looked super towny, who would you vote next? Who's your next top scumread and why? Based on your filter, I would guess Bourne. Is this correct?

You don't seem to notice Plot or Tube much, are they null in your book?

On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote:


whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town.

about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^

Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can.



Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote



I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote?

On April 10 2015 20:45 Soren333 wrote:

Time to change my vote.

##Vote plotspot

On April 10 2015 20:48 Soren333 wrote:

What's your scum read on him?

On April 10 2015 20:53 Soren333 wrote:


You could at least draw an opinion or assumption.

On April 10 2015 20:56 Soren333 wrote:

Oh that's right. He either only posts when people prod him or when someone votes him. That's hella scummy.

##Vote Bourneq

On April 11 2015 14:05 rsoultin wrote:


oh, and while you're at it...

what is your read on ace? you mentioned he's scummy later but i don't think you've ever said you want to lynch him? it seems to me that if your read on him is strong enough to make you question your initial scumread you'd have more to say about him xP

On April 11 2015 14:27 rsoultin wrote:


alright lol that jives

what's your feel on onegu? i just got finished rereading his filter, and even with the semi-try hard comment at the beginning it just reads stiff to me...i also really don't understand why the alphabet vote + justification (i know he retracted it) got so much attention?

there's also this post:



had already accepted his decided to try harder for the newbie game explanation but he still felt the need to elaborate further on it? i dunnae maybe it's just throwing me off lol cause i usually read him based on how ditzy he's acting, but he's making me uncomfortable this game

On April 10 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote:



Ugg really hate this post. Like in my experience calling people lynchbait especially when those players are newer for no reason scummy as hell.

Also rsoul could be scum, her points on HtS are non alignment indicative, she hasn't town read me yet and she is currently like the only person on the site I think can read me correctly. And she plus 1'd the post I'm pointing out for no reason also.

On April 11 2015 18:53 prplhz wrote:
this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this.

anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK.

On April 11 2015 19:04 Tubesock wrote:


I guess that's why I think he's only softing. He's not really claiming, but he's flirting around about it. The way it is now the real doc/vet could out themselves (don't for the love of god) and he would just fall back on the fact he never did.

I really think he's trying to fish for that cop check. I also kind of wonder that if he did hardclaim, he gets CC'd and everyone argues enough that he tries to get checked first? Mafia would have both blues for his death. that's a pretty good trade.

I've never rolled blue. I haven't spent much time thinking about it. It's why I'm asking for feedback now. I just can't see any other explanation for his play.

On April 11 2015 19:16 prplhz wrote:
i'm not sure right now, the plotspot lynch is growing on me.

On April 12 2015 06:06 Half the Sky wrote:


I keep forgetting it's 6am there or 7 or something.

On April 12 2015 06:11 Tubesock wrote:


Are you in Darwin?

Plot did claim scum. And literally had 2 posts that were town. Meh.

On April 12 2015 14:07 prplhz wrote:

probably depends a lot on the context

On April 12 2015 05:52 Bourneq wrote:
Plot still seems like the obvious lynch to me. Stutters is certinatly a suspect but I see no reason in keeping plot around.

On April 13 2015 07:54 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow....hope to actually play with you next time HF.

Reasons why HF was killed that I can think of

1. HF can read another vet well or is good at this game? I have no experience with the guy
2. Scum doesn't want to reveal anything
3. Scum is not worried about anyone so far

#2 is probably most likely...if anyone think #3 is very possible we might need to check our highly townread people in the game (bresh? tube?) or doublecheck at the highly scumread right now (dwarf? stutters?)

On April 12 2015 11:28 Stutters695 wrote:

If I'm town, what do I gain from the vote like that? If I'm scum what do I gain?

Assume I'm town for a second(you'll see why d2). Prpl tries to switch the wagon onto me. From a scum perspective: He mislynches me (I get harder to mislynch as the game goes on generally) and leaves him with 1/2 (depending on Dwarf's alignment) easy-ish mislynches at the cost of looking slightly worse for my mislynch.

Do you think that would be a risk he'd take as scum from playing scum with him?

On April 13 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote:


lol i had a theory that i'm not sharing >< sounds like you may have the same one, bresh

On April 13 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:


yeah? it was the impression i got while skimming...prp and tube seemed very convinced dwarf was town, but hts was late to the game? i don't know i could be misremembering. give me a sec

On April 12 2015 05:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Oh shit....just read Stutters' filter now, and I see where both Dwarf and prplhz are coming from.

His posts aren't exactly driving discussion.

Also I looked at the timestamps of when Stutters said he'll look into plotspot and when he voted him.

15 hours and change. So my previous possibility of "being in the middle of analysis" is off the table.

On April 12 2015 05:38 Half the Sky wrote:


I could be down for shennaning on him but I'm still not feeling good about plotspot. I'll illustrate another case that irks me on plotspot.

On April 13 2015 10:16 rsoultin wrote:


it's actually quite simple, prp ^^

hts drug her feet on the lynch, then voted on a wagon at the last minute that absolutely was not going to be lynched

like, it doesn't even matter what stutters' alignment is? her vote switch makes no sense from a townie perspective. she didn't argue or push people to switch to stutters when she did, didn't make it clear that she no longer thought plotspot was town...if stutters is scum he's not getting lynched and she looks good later if he flips and she was on his wagon. if he's town she looks good for not mislynching him

what does she achieve as town though? absolutely nothing

On April 13 2015 14:12 rsoultin wrote:


yeah i got that mixed up? obviously it doesn't make sense if hts was townreading plot; i meant to say scumreading. that's already been addressed

i'd rather you actually read my case rather than speedread it frankly xP since i've already addressed pretty much everything you're talking about here

frankly i don't know why she changed her vote. the main point is that she completely uselessly changed her vote. she literally did it at a point where it was meaningless. a scum motivation for that is to distance herself from the list, but more importantly i see no town motivation for it at all? nor do i see how her simply answering your question while not committing to the vote one way or another her trying to get you to change your vote

did you reread that section or not?

-_-

as for people interacting with me and not reading me, i'm not sure what you're implying?

On April 13 2015 14:20 rsoultin wrote:


okay maybe i wasn't being clear lol ><

the point was that even if stutters was town, not being on a wagon that flips town makes her look better at the moment

i mean, you argue that she doesn't look better, but since no one brought it up before me and you've been arguing with me it clearly didn't make her look bad

the salient point is that her vote was useless, and if she's town suddenly deciding plot is town and stutters is scum, why is she not pushing for others to switch with her, even in the last two minutes? am i making sense now?

On April 13 2015 14:25 prplhz wrote:
the "she couldn't have been trying to look town because it didn't seem to work"-argument isn't good

On April 13 2015 14:28 rsoultin wrote:


cool by me ^^ i'm curious, too

care to answer my what the hell were you getting at with the no one is reading me question anytime soon, bresh?

Not implying anything really because it could go either way (scum ignoring you because they dont think your an easy misslynch or scum ignoring u cos your scum). I just realize that the main way i read you is how you interact with vets and push your reads and how emotional or whatever you get so obviously you can understand why im having a hard time of it now.

On April 13 2015 14:35 rsoultin wrote:


o.0 i don't know how i missed this post sorry lol ><

i don't see how she can be scumreading plot, saying stutters probably isn't bussing, then vote stutters? that just doesn't make any sense?

i'm not sure why me thinking her vote looks scummy translates to the majority of scum being on the plot wagon but i already said probably 1 or 2 were, but that's pure speculation?

and yeah i get it lol i do act differently with vets...i kinda prefer letting them do their thing and commenting and only pushing the things i'm very certain of. these games i all too often feel the need to take the lead cause leadership is usually lacking :/

On April 10 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:




I know some attention was already brought to the first quote, and I had questioned as to why he was so fearful of death so early in D1 and when he wasn't under any threat now.

The "digging old things" and the fact he's said it three times - even with emoticons - gives me the impression he's trying to dissuade Soren from looking into him, even if he's trying to show it jokingly.

The vote on prplhz without explanation also makes scumlike behaviour with a page of filter afterwards and Breshke calling that vote into question.

On April 12 2015 05:52 Bourneq wrote:
Plot still seems like the obvious lynch to me. Stutters is certinatly a suspect but I see no reason in keeping plot around.

On April 11 2015 21:50 Bourneq wrote:
Good mornign gents and ladies!


I think we hit the nail on the head with plotspot in the recent pages. My personal reasoning behind scum reading plotspot is mainly from theese quotes


I hate this post
+ Show Spoiler +
Mainly because of "Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^"
And "I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town." when he himself said prplhz was 100% town really early on.
Not to meantion the 5 ^^, but I wont go into that.


TBD is making my scum radar beep and its driving me crazy. I would like to see the dwarf do anything, just anything to further towns agenda. Or at least theorycraft with us. But he has done noone of that what so ever. The recent points brought against him also look solid.


Now I will carefully examine prplhz and see if I have anything to bring to the table.

In this game, I had an epiphany with minutes to spare and made a judgement that was reasonable 1) in the amount of time that I had and 2) with the material I had in front of me for Stutters. Which again, doesn't require the analysis that Tube seems to be setting as criteria.

On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD



Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so...

On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:



Why? Who is going to prot the new guy?

On April 14 2015 11:41 Stutters695 wrote:
Or they withheld the rb?

On April 14 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:
lol um

i'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that there's no medic, bresh, unless you're saying the medic would definitely protect hf?

On April 14 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:


ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^

On April 14 2015 12:25 Stutters695 wrote:
Also, Breahke's logic makes sense, but I can't shake the feeling he plays scum like I do. Reminds me to follow up when I'm not drunk tomorrow. It just feels off.

On April 14 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:


ummm

yes that is exactly what i just said xP

On April 14 2015 12:28 Tubesock wrote:
I think you're right Breshke. No reason for someone to not claim RB.

Trfel said he still wasn't caught up. I think he's only to the end of the Day 1? He's looking pretty towny though. Course, he could be doing this as scum to solidify his entrance but that seems like a lot of work.

On April 14 2015 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
wait now i think i'm confused again -_-

you were trying to say that the lack of an rb claim is indicative of a vet and if there's a vet there isn't a vet/doc setup in the op, right?

On April 14 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote:
the analysis on plotspot was actually pretty good (if wrong), and this isn't the first time he mentions "bunnying" up posts lol



i actually 100% agree with this post? xP like, i read it as prp trying to get discussion going, but prp your attempt was so blatant i don't see how you expected anyone to get a read on you from it? unless you expected a townread or something lol and saying something "to generate discussion" when it's that obvious i not alignment indicative for me (just ask trfel) so i see no problem with others feeling the same way, obviously



some of these points were clearly his misreading, for instance the omgus one, but lol i get where he's coming from on the dropped reads and you being so insistent on your bloody dwarf read xP i don't think these were bad points and i can see newbie town making them and coming to that conclusion



i guess what it comes down to for me is on the spectrum of newbies bourne was more actively in the thread and analyzing than the others? lol i'll admit i wasn't really placing my expectations that high for some of the newer players, but i didn't see how he was worse than plotspot or...yes...dwarf xP who still has practically no reads -_-

On April 14 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:


<3!

lol sorry but your "no bad rso bad hts read" followed by sheeping what i perceived to be thread sentiment on bourne was giving me the willies. i expect more from you lol >< this makes me feel better about you (and not just cause you're agreeing with me)

i don't think you ever answered why you're so certain on hts being town, though?

On April 14 2015 14:22 rsoultin wrote:


heh i still don't understand how you read her post as her actively trying to get you to change your vote when it was clearly responding to your question on why there were shenanigans >< and she didn't even take a stance between the two players in it

but i guess if it's a gut read there's really nothing to say about it :/

On April 14 2015 14:23 Trfel wrote:
Also Stutters695. I said it at the top of the page.

Note that the reason that I don't want to lynch active players isn't (primarily) activity. I just see these four as significantly more scummy at this time.

On April 14 2015 13:58 Breshke wrote:
Stutters if you had one read you were most sure of who would it be and what do you think their alignment is? I don't need a reason.

On April 14 2015 14:36 Stutters695 wrote:

This is a real good post.

On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:

Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him.

On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote:
Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead.

On April 15 2015 05:29 rsoultin wrote:


lol xP suuuuuure

like i wasn't the one who first brought up shining. go sell it somewhere else

On April 15 2015 05:31 rsoultin wrote:
no seriously, bresh, do you have any strong opinions? or lukewarm ones?

On April 15 2015 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
##vote: Breshke

i'll consolidate on dwarf or maybe bourne if i have to, but i'm not lynching prp or shining today

On April 15 2015 05:46 Half the Sky wrote:


Stutters has been pushing prplhz all of D2????? How is that not town behaviour pushing a lynch you believe in? All cycle long?

On April 15 2015 05:54 rsoultin wrote:
not gonna

i explicitly said i'm not fucking lynching prp or shining today

On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote:
tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever

his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-

if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more

On April 15 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
bresh if you think i've been townreading you all game i don't know what game you're reading -_-

regardless, it wasn't that, it was the reaction to my vote change, which as i said makes sense if you think shining and i are scum, so i'm done being pissed off about it

my real question is where the scumread came from? as i said, you made it seem like policy when you left the thread lol ><

also i kind of don't even want to talk to you much until you read what you missed because you clearly haven't ^^

On April 16 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:


lol you've stated yourself i'm fully aware that i always do this as town, so you're really trying to sell that i wouldn't take special care to do it as scum? that's a terrible reason. you have to do better than that

On April 16 2015 08:39 rsoultin wrote:
it's a little rich that you're accusing me of not taking steps to figure out scum, breshke, given your performance day 2 and subsequent disappearance. we've had the conversation before that it's important to talk things out during the night phase. so where were you?

lol >< like the amount of bullshit people are spewing is insane right now, are y'all even reading what you're writing? when did i become hf or marv or fucking koshi that being alive on day 3 and not having lynched scum becomes a problem? look at down under 2...or don't lol >< i don't really care

On April 16 2015 07:04 prplhz wrote:
i can't. rso is scum because she's really good at mafia but she only done mafia things and she's notting putting in that effort she does as town. especially letting two townies getting lynched while acting like she hadn't a clue what a tone read is. anyway i suggest we don't no lynch today, me or rso go go go. i'll tell you the other two scum before i die but i'm a little less sure of them.

shoutout to onegu for getting this right on d1.

On April 16 2015 09:18 rsoultin wrote:


lol >< you're a fucking imbecile if you're actually the vig this game, is all i have to say

don't CC if he fake-claimed, vig -_-

On April 16 2015 09:24 rsoultin wrote:


because we should be no-lynching today, if we're going for optimal plays, and you've just defeated one of the main purposes for that ^^ good job

On April 16 2015 09:30 rsoultin wrote:


whenever you decide to actually start reading this game, please let me know -_-

you're either scum, in which case this doesn't matter at all so disregard

or you're town, and we have exactly one mislynch left. which means oh brilliant one that unless you're 100% sure i'm scum and you're not throwing right now based on shit reasons, it's objectively better to have a smaller lynch pool with two blues who can claim day 4 than to out yourself (assuming you're even the vigi) right now

effectively, if you are the vig, you're an idiot ^^ i don't think you're an idiot but lol >< i can see this play from town, too, strangely enough which is why the real vig absolutely SHOULD NOT CC if breshke fake-claimed

On April 16 2015 09:26 The Shining wrote:



I'm just about done so here goes nothing. I essentially took myself out of this game, morale wise.

No lynching is stupid. [B]##Unvote[b]

It was said already but all we gain by a no lynch is one less strong town read and a leader. We're better off putting our all into finding scum and trying to salvage this game.


I didn't realize how hard it would be to replace, I know now for the future. I also know not to follow my gut instincts because I'm wrong a decent amount of time. I'm the vig. I'm really sorry, town, I might have thrown this. We either have a vet or a medic. If medic, protect me tonight.

If vet, don't claim. If we lynch scum today, I die tonight but they will still risk shooting you following night phase and buying town one more day phase.

I think prpl could possibly be scum. The push on RSo looks bad to me. From what I've read of prpl's meta, I find it interesting he'd scum RSo for essentially the same things he's done. They have similar filter lengths but he's claiming she's doing nothing and let two townies die. But he was voting Stutters D1(confirmed town) & Bourneq before AFKing EoD. So he "let" townies die, too. And he hasn't done anything of note that screams town. If anything, his moodiness fits his scum meta. And the case he put on RSo could be applied to him, as well.

Breshke is still my strongest scumread. And his weird switch at eod still makes no sense to me, however I spin it. It really isn't far fetched to think they're scumming together(Purp Bresh). Feels like he's trying to end the game here by sheeping Prpl onto RSo.

And I just checked the thread and this guy claimed Vig. Yep total scum.

##Vote: Breshke

On April 16 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote:
Because I wanted to shoot him N1. I didn't get into the game in time to feel right about it. I had a gut feeling about him all game and D2 didn't feel that much better. I also noticed what Breshke did about him bread crumbing blue but his exact statement was that we'd see why he was town D2. So I shot him.

I left you because I felt I could get support for your lynch, especially after D2/N2. I honestly thought I was nailing two scum here.

Again I've never played vig before and replacing has been an experience for me.

On April 16 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:


I was also set to be lynched at one point and said town would feel stupid as fuck when I flipped. I was leading votes at the time. I mean, you don't have to believe me.

I claimed because I am the vigi and I threw this game. Town is probably mad as hell at me and I understand why. At least this way I don't drag it out and Fuck us any harder than I already have.

On April 16 2015 09:45 rsoultin wrote:


he clearly was scumreading him at one point...in fact he was shining's first scumread. it jives :/

On April 16 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:


lol >< the only thing that isn't valid anymore is the townlean on you

On April 16 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote:
Because I wanted to shoot him N1. I didn't get into the game in time to feel right about it. I had a gut feeling about him all game and D2 didn't feel that much better. I also noticed what Breshke did about him bread crumbing blue but his exact statement was that we'd see why he was town D2. So I shot him.

I left you because I felt I could get support for your lynch, especially after D2/N2. I honestly thought I was nailing two scum here.

Again I've never played vig before and replacing has been an experience for me.

On April 16 2015 09:56 rsoultin wrote:
i have never, in any game, had to implore you to read this much, breshke ><

the main thrust was not the wanting to vote for townreads/townleans, it was how shit the reasoning behind those votes was, and that opinion is just as true today as it was the day those were posted

where did your objectivity go? the only way i can call this town behavior is if you've got an extreme case of confirmation bias, which is not a flaw i normally associate with you ><

On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke

I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.

Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.

Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk.

On April 16 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote:
^^

back to the brilliant breshke metaread lol >< when i've demonstrably done a will this game the first night and not done them in some nights in my recent towngames

-golf claps-

i am getting so sick and tired of people thinking they can metaread me >< and of metareads that has to be one of the shittiest. at least try something i can't defend against lol "she's too passive, therefore, scum!" - marv, XXX "she didn't post within the first two minutes!" - LS, aperture

blah -_-

On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke

I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.

Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.

Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk.

On April 16 2015 10:12 The Shining wrote:


But I do. I still think you'll flip scum. I'm still voting you. If you don't, gg. If you do, I die tonight and my game is over. I'm fine with that. I'm already done with this one, due in large part to how badly I played.

And since I'm alrdy getting flamed in Obs, I'm sure, I'll add fuel to the fire saying this: you were blue fishing there. I wasn't looking for him to claim. I was looking for him to cash in on that promise of me seeing why he was town. I didn't see it so I shot.

You were a town lean at one point for me. Stutters was a scum read that I said had "significantly better" activity and couldn't be lynched D2. I was torn between you two. I saw scum in both of you at different points. I decided to trust my original gut instinct from D1.

On April 16 2015 10:16 Tubesock wrote:


Ok, I may eat my words later if Shining gets CC'd but I think the scenario where he doesn't shoot D1 can be explained by lack of confidence in D1 reads. I think that too he thought D3 he was up for a mlynch or that town had high risk for it. If he waited till N3 it would be too late. I'll look back on his read.

There are some other things that I'm considering that fit the world I'm seeing. I was confused with your Prp hammer but was giving you excuses. And this fakeclaim play is so bad. I think you see that you can sweep town and are going for the big play now.

I understand Prplhz's reasons for foregoing the no lynch. He thinks he has it solved (he's wrong). But you don't have the game solved so I don't like your reasons to skip no lynch at all. No fucking way. It's such bad play. But you want to end this because you are mafia.

On April 16 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:


that at least makes more sense than thinking he'd claim lol ><

but that still doesn't explain why you thought breshke "blue-fishing" at your scumread made him scum? i'm really confused how you can think they're scum together, where breshke is doing something that could be construed as blue-fishing a scummate who is softing blue? or not...softing blue? like how does that thought process even go, shining?

On April 16 2015 10:18 Tubesock wrote:


You'll find out why soon enough.

On April 15 2015 10:35 The Shining wrote:
I want to take a look at votes. When two wagons are this close, and there are active players moving to defend one or both lynches, it makes me think one of those wagons was scum. In a town v town scenario, I feel there would be less resistance as scum would be getting one step closer to their wincon regardless of who is lynched. Instead, the wagons were close right up until EoD.

Final vote count:

TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel, TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke

Off of votes alone, prpl looks the worst. He is the lone wasted vote and afk at Eod.

Bourne has been consistent in scumming/wanting to lynch Dwarf and him not providing anything for town to work with. He was also the first vote on Dwarf. I can't see scum Bourne being this dead set, specially as a newbie, on going after the same ML d1 & d2.

Next is me. Objectively, my vote comes in right when I come back to thread. Being on my way to work, I was afraid I'd miss EoD but that wasn't the case. And I read Dwarf time and again. From my entrance to now, I could not see the town in him. I've alrdy addressed JJB's thoughts on Prpl being the one defending Dwarf when everyone else had him null at best.

This leaves Tube, RSo, Trfel. I'm still not convinced Trfel is scum, as his play does not fit what I know of his scum meta. Aside from him voting with his top scumread, I can't see scum motivation in any of his posts. I do see a lot of analysis and critical thinking, in spite of the fact most of it is directed towards me.

I had to step back and look objectively at RSo. I might be blinded by the fact that her voting Dwarf essentially saved me. However, knowing my alignment and now Dwarf's, I can't think of the scum motivation for her switching off.

Breshke came back to tell me his placeholder vote on me was now a real vote after I cased him. OMGUS? No, because he then last minute shenannies onto Prpl in an attempt to hammer him at 4 votes, even though BD hit 4 first. The for his shenanny vote just feels so off. Both jjb and I have addressed it.

Stutters and HTS have both been vocal about their scum read on Prpl. The timing and reasoning of those votes seem pretty sound to me.

I'm still phone posting so after this post, I'll be diving Prpl, Tube and JJB. I can't remember if JJB had any build up to voting Prpl, Tube is the only vote I can't explain on Dwarf(i think I remember him wanting to lynch Dwarf early, just need to verify), and Prpl is the lone wasted vote on Bourne, afkd EoD and isn't defending himself. & Breshke, I still think may be scum, although I'm not as familiar with his meta to be figuring out if he's a risk/reward kind of player or not.

Joking about a fake cop claim isn't cool, either, Prpl. =/

On April 16 2015 10:26 Tubesock wrote:


We gain 5 days before we lynch. Mafia are in a race against time. No lynch provides a great resource for town. Another night kill and time to sort out the rest.

On April 16 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:


this is actually true...lol >< eh

my plan was more conservative, hoping that scum wouldn't pick off a blue out of the five players left -_- honestly bresh i thought you might be wifoming if you were town and that was why the ALL CAPS the mafia WILL DEFINITELY KILL ME in your post, like you were trying to tell the real vig not to CC you lol ><

but here's the thing, breshke...why would scum CC you here, huh? they know there's a vig, it would be a vote-off between you and them...lol it's like 10x more likely the real vig CCs here >< which is why i kept saying not to

On April 16 2015 10:29 The Shining wrote:
Ebwop:

Clicked post on phone instead of expand. Hate phone posting.

As for Bresh, it was the way he did it. So much talk of roles and set up in his filter. Forcefully pushing Stutters to claim. He really wanted to know.

Like I said, I was torn between the two. I guess I should've explained it more clearly. I couldn't tell if they were both scum but I knew I read both of them scum at one point. Stutters early, Bresh recently.

If Stutters flipped scum, it effectively would've thrown scum off track and made this game easier, as well as shed new light on the Stutters-Bresh interaction. It would've helped me re evaluate Breah.

If Stutters flipped town, which he did, it cemented what I already thought in that Bresh is scum and was blue fishing.

On April 16 2015 10:37 rsoultin wrote:


tch if you're town you're griping at him for the same reason that i was griping at hts ^^ only his actions actually make sense given the explanation, where hers really didn't. what if no one cc's him bresh?

that said, the absence of a noticeable scumread thing, shining, is still a problem for me ><

On April 16 2015 10:40 rsoultin wrote:
meh -_-

##unvote

regardless i think the value of a no-lynch is long gone by now

On April 16 2015 10:43 The Shining wrote:


I didn't think that he was crumbing a role. You did. I just said I noticed the same post you did, in large part due to the fact that you pointed it out.

I was waiting for him to step up and bleed town for me. I can't say I'm great at reading people, though, and I was also unsure on Prpl so I had to choose. I didn't get that town feel from him. Maybe if he had done more instead of tunneling Prpl, or actually gotten Prpl lynched and a scum flip, I may have seen it.

On April 14 2015 10:33 Stutters695 wrote:

Sure have. WIFOM son. Am I blue, am I VT? Who knows, but my posting should make it pretty obvious I'm town.

On April 16 2015 10:53 rsoultin wrote:


>< lol i get what you're saying, bresh

i'm having trouble understanding this, too, but i'm not going to vote an un-cc'd vig in MYLO no matter how weird it sounds. if shining's a fake and the real vig doesn't CC here, that's on him

i still don't get scum CCing you right here -_- it doesn't make sense

On April 16 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote:



No lynch post:



Why the Fuck would I come out and explain that logic in a post where I decided not to claim? Read the bolded. How would I know how the vigi is feeling? It was an attempt at bread crumbling before I decided to claim. I was torn on claiming after EoN.

On April 16 2015 11:02 The Shining wrote:
Breshke is scum trying to win the game. I don't even care anymore. Half the living players are here right now and no CC. He's probably yelling in scum QT for a scum mate to CC me. I'm actually really curious to see who it'll be.

And he's saying he may or may not be blue in that post. That is not softing.

Prpl opened up with I may or may not be scum? But that gets overlooked cuz who would soft scum like that, right?

Same principle applies to that soft claim.

On April 16 2015 11:10 rsoultin wrote:
lol >< two players turn up and one of them isn't bourne, and i wonder what people were smoking -_- frankly

but, eh, i can't say anything. i was a terrible blue

i'm actually waffling on bresh again now -_- the only possible scum motivation i can think of for a fake vigi claim is...lol well pretty much what shining has already said. forcing us to lynch today and the vig to claim. obviously it isn't scum-favored to have a no-lynch. meh. i'd feel way more comfortable about it if bresh didn't make it clear he was trying to trap scum into ccing him though >< that's just stupid

if you're town, bresh, sorry, but it's what i think ><