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On April 17 2015 04:31 prplhz wrote: okay well i don't get it then. might read up on it tonight.
man i made rayn ragequit i hope i don't make rso ragequit too.
>< how ...
you know it's really hard not to curse like i'm used to lol >< newbie game meh
THERE WAS NO WAY FOR SCUM EVEN IF THEY SUSPECTED SHINING WAS BLUE TO KNOW HE WAS THE VIGILANTE >< how damn hard is it to understand basic things?!
no i am not going to ragequit but damnit if you're town throwing i'm going to rail at you, same as breshke, post-game >< such shit reasoning
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...-_- and there i was trying not to curse
i'm not coming back to the thread before i finish what i'm doing
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hmm i thought i explained that already? if shining was vigilante he wasn't shooting you. if shining was veteran he wasn't getting shot. him being blue wasn't really a problem.
who do you want to lynch then?
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i don't even consider "damnit" an expletive what's wrong with me
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On April 17 2015 04:39 prplhz wrote: hmm i thought i explained that already? if shining was vigilante he wasn't shooting you. if shining was veteran he wasn't getting shot. him being blue wasn't really a problem.
who do you want to lynch then?
jjb/bourne...then i start having problems cause i have reasons to townread both you and tube, including the stupid you're displaying right now >< i'll readdress this later. like if breshke wasn't an un-ccd vet i'd be giddy -_-
i mean he's friggin confirmed town (supposedly) and as soon as no one ccs shining he flits off into the ether again meh
-_- dude if you don't think confirmed towns are a problem for scum, you're high lol >< look at today...it makes things really simple assuming the claims are all true
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yes okay. you would lynch someone simply because he would become confirmed when he claimed. i see that, thanks for explaining it!
one of my problems with you is that i townread everyone except three people: you jjb bourneq. and i think that scumteam kind of makes sense, more sense than anything else i can think of. and i sort of trust my town reads because i been right on both of the guys we lynched. i also think that it's important that people do townie things (look at me begging people to point out townie things bourneq has done, it's because i thought he was town for not doing townie things) and i just didn't have a lot of those "wow this is something only a townie would say"-moments with you three. look at my plot and dwarf analysis, they're mostly just isolated quotes that i think only townies would say.
i don't know if there's anything for me to reconsider. i guess we can kill bourneq and jjb first and maybe i'll have an epiphany.
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On April 17 2015 05:06 prplhz wrote: yes okay. you would lynch someone simply because he would become confirmed when he claimed. i see that, thanks for explaining it!
one of my problems with you is that i townread everyone except three people: you jjb bourneq. and i think that scumteam kind of makes sense, more sense than anything else i can think of. and i sort of trust my town reads because i been right on both of the guys we lynched. i also think that it's important that people do townie things (look at me begging people to point out townie things bourneq has done, it's because i thought he was town for not doing townie things) and i just didn't have a lot of those "wow this is something only a townie would say"-moments with you three. look at my plot and dwarf analysis, they're mostly just isolated quotes that i think only townies would say.
i don't know if there's anything for me to reconsider. i guess we can kill bourneq and jjb first and maybe i'll have an epiphany.
so it's poe then lol >< meh, i don't care. i just know if we lynch me town loses
i'm still working on my own brand of poe. so if you're town, bear with me?
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considering you're wrong on at least one of your townreads >< obviously you're not infallible
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On April 17 2015 03:43 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 03:34 Trfel wrote: Just read over the first page of Tubesock's filter. He actually could be scum here.
His early posts seem to be more white knighting, and he's providing fewer useful scumreads than I expected. Perhaps it's just confirmation bias, though.
When I get out of class, I'll take a look at the rest of it. How much thought have you put into me before this post? Only what I collected on you in my four catch-up posts, and what came up in discussion.
On April 17 2015 03:37 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 03:34 Trfel wrote: Just read over the first page of Tubesock's filter. He actually could be scum here.
His early posts seem to be more white knighting, and he's providing fewer useful scumreads than I expected. Perhaps it's just confirmation bias, though.
When I get out of class, I'll take a look at the rest of it. why do you make a giant post saying you'll look over me and rso and then you go and look over tube? I had five minutes. You and prplhz are bigger tasks. I posted what I did because I wanted to see what people said, and in hopes that others would look into the things that I mentioned.
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On April 17 2015 03:37 Tubesock wrote:So far we have murdered two town. There's no one who stands out as mafia just yet. Several of you have mentioned how bad a spot town is in right now. What are our options? Breshke does some hail mary play. Trfel mentions no lynch, oh scratch that let's lynch we can have all the blues out themselves. Why the hurry on knowing the blues? Maybe it's just bad play on my part but I think that making Mafia guess for another day could be a good idea. But this argument isn't important. Prplhz is at least looking in different areas (albeit wrong on Rsoultin). I can see he's reevaluating and thinking about things. And not bluehunting or centering around policy talk. He's pushing a lynch. I was first suspicious of Trfel when Stutters695 posted this: Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 14:36 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote: I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too. In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then. Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon. This is a real good post. Followed by this: Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote: So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.
His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.
My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order): TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him. I didn't understand why Stutters695 would say what he did. I didn't really say anything in my post. I was defending The Shining on the weak premise that I didn't think town necessarily had to prove that they read the thread as fast as possible. It wasn't even a real defense, it was simply give the guy some time. Trfel was all up in his ass. I then realized I haven't read Onegu's filter in awhile. I basically dropped it once Trfel started doing his summaries in spoilers. That definitely looked like a ton of work. A little later I noticed something kinda funny. Prplhz and Stutters695 were going at each other for the same reasons. TheBloodyDwarf tinfoils me. The replacements are going at it. It was ironic. I was just getting a nagging feeling that Prplhz and Stutters695 were both town. Trfel I didn't see anything scummy in. He was putting in a lot of work and showing that he was thinking about the game. He was super town. I started to reread Onegu. Half the Sky has a good case on him. I already posted it, it was big I doubt any of you missed it when she posted it. Onegu's "big" contribution is his suspicion of Rsoultin. Which is if you guys bother to look into his filter is because she didn't town him, and Rsoultin can read him better than anyone. She must be mafia. But uh, what happens if HE is mafia? Up to this point, you've said absolutely nothing.On April 17 2015 03:37 Tubesock wrote:I thought his actions on Breshke, and his eod vote was weird. I attributed it to the drugs. He replaced out, so it's obviously legit. But it also seemed like he wasn't particularly serious about his Breshke vote, and knew that by the time he got back in thread there would be another wagon that will look good to jump on to. Sure enough a "scumclaim". Onegu towned Bourneq for scumming TheBloodyDwarf. Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 23:33 Onegu wrote:On April 10 2015 18:54 Bourneq wrote: Good morning!
Dwarf I am interested in how you did not know what scum means. It is meantioned twice in the OP and twice in the followup post right after. Seeing how you missed the part about editing it makes a bit more sense since you obviously did not read the thing. But under coaches for example it says Town: Scum: It is pretty hard to missunderstand what scum in this context means. As a fellow newbie I understand you could be speaking the truth but did you really not read the OP? Prplhz I actually like this post, wouldn't lynch him today for this post Before this Onegu does give Bourneq heat. I think it's safe to "bus" him in this case as Onegu isn't exactly known to be forceful with his lynch targets. Alone this reaction means nothing. But in context.... But you know, he did claim town and not VT so we shouldn't be worried. Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 08:20 Onegu wrote:
It's my meta if I claimed VT that's when you should look out for me.
So, Onegu's play is what Trfel is stuck with. He's smart, he knows he can't explain any of it. The best strategy by far is to compensate for it. He knows that he has a reputation for solid case building and analysis. As town he knows he will get some heat if he doesn't perform. He did a little, but it didn't last very long and he quickly became massively townread for his massive effort. I care about Onegu's reads because he is smart, and I know that he is town. I don't care to investigate Onegu's alignment or argue the specifics of it, and for obvious reasons. If you choose to scumread or townread me for Onegu's play, fine.On April 17 2015 03:37 Tubesock wrote:HtS and Stutters die. 3 minutes after Day post: Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 06:03 Trfel wrote: I figured that Half the Sky would die.
But why would the vigilante possibly save their shot? And why would they ever shoot Stutters695?
Newbie games are loaded with vigilante targets. Bourneq was far and away the best candidate.
Well, we're now at MYLO. I don't even know if we're allowed to mislynch(corrects this to No Lynch)? Pushes No Lynch. Thirty minutes later: Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 06:32 Trfel wrote: I guess, part of me is tempted to just go ahead and lynch today now.
Don't get me wrong, no lynch is definitely the best play. But lynching feels like it will just speed things up, and I'm not sure how much of a difference it will make. We're kind of dead either way.
I can go with whatever people want to do.
I also retract my super strong townread on Breshke now. Reread the thread from Day 3 post on. To me I think mafia Trfel has every incentive to post exactly like he is. There is a light at the end of the tunnel for him if we lynch today. This could be a town Trfel too. I read Breshke's and Trfel's interactions together and I can't help to think it looks like a play. Like teamwork. Then I have the revelation. MAFIA CAN ALL WORK ON THE THREAD ANALYSIS THAT TRFEL DID. He's not necessarily the only one doing it. I have played team sports all my life. I can't imagine the mafia team in their own private QT wouldn't coordinate and execute plays. I get many don't, they stay fluid and whatnot but it seems silly to discard that. Trfel could be town. All I ask is reread the guy and think about how a scumTrfel replacement would have to act. How is Day 3 play so far can easily be mafia motivated. He's fully capable of playing this way as mafia and he wants the lynch today. He doesn't think we are going to lynch mafia. There are two points here. The first point you make is that I went back and forth between lynching and no-lynching.
I've already explained that there is value in no-lynching, because we get time to investigate things and make the best decision. However, there is no value in no-lynching if people want to lynch, or if people don't want to use the extra time to actually work. If you took a closer look at your scumread of me, you would notice that I have said this multiple times, and rsoultin (who you are townreading) has expressed the same sentiments. Furthermore, if you look at my past games, you will see that when I (and the rest of town) is feeling tired and in a bad spot in the game, I'm willing to take a riskier lynch to speed things along (see Down Under 2, where I lynched someone who might be scum over someone who was guaranteed to be scum under the assumption that town wouldn't care enough to investigate properly such that the additional time would make a difference).
Second point, the entire mafia team worked on the analysis that I did. This I find rather interesting.
Realize that I pointed out to everyone that mafia could work together to feed people analysis/reads. Yet you don't mention at all that it was me who first suggested this.
Realize that my posting style is rather unique. I use capitalization, periods, and tend to be semi-formal at all times. I would definitely have to retype and revisit everything that people would tell me to say. It's possible that mafia guided me in the general reads that I should arrive at, but I definitely did the majority of the work myself.
You conclude by arguing that I am scum because I want to lynch today. You realize that my vote is currently on no-lynch?
Basically, you haven't presented any reasons why I am scum. You presented a ton of fluff, a ton of clear misinterpretations. You presented a few arguments on Onegu (maybe they have some validity, but I don't care). And you've claimed that I could do everything I have done as scum. But you haven't shown anything whatsoever that actually suggests that I am scum from my own play.
To everyone else: I think that Tubesock is better than this. Look at the length of his post and compare it to the amount of substance. Contrast this with his earlier theory on TheBloodyDwarf. Tubesock here is feeling more lazy, and less interested, where Tubesock would be extremely motivated due to having caught the scum team and needing to make everyone else see his point. I wonder if Tubesock is mafia and making a token effort on a read he knows isn't true, and is less motivated because he knows that he is in trouble.
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hey guys im back and reading up
still thinking we should bet on prp and tube
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On April 17 2015 02:10 prplhz wrote: @trfel
FACT: i was the main opposition to the plot lynch. FACT: i was the main opposition to the dwarf lynch. FACT: if your scum team has me and bourneq i have been pushing my newbie teammate all game long from his very first post. FACT: these are objectively the towniest things anybody in this thread have done. and they're all me. breshke has come close with some of his analysis. FACT: if you mislynch me here that's NOT GOING TO BE NOMINATED FOR A MAFIA AWARD
Prp what analysis of mine have you liked?
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Prp and Tube
D1 PRP defends TBD CONSTANTLY and tube tinfoils TBD to set up next mislynch AFTER TBD for sure off the table Both jump off plotspot for towncred, who also said confusing things like TBD
B4 N1 PRP most TR and Tube not read by most (the list...the list...) Kill HF (kill saying, you guys aren't on to us! We will just kill this new guy!)
D2 PRP leaves vote on Bourneq and leaves. Tube pushes to kill TBD PRP no return? More like prp didn't have anything to do. He's not going to come back and lose his towncred for defending TBD so much earlier. If dwarf switches on Prp, Prp simply votes dwarf to save himself.
N2 HTS wants PRP dead. Shining breadcrumb. If prp wasn't on team, mafia team probably kill shining am I right? NK HTS
D3 Prp does a POE case Tube makes strange tinfoil
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Hi jarjarbinks,
I see it. I'm working on a post on Tubesock, because I need to go soon, and I'd like to get it out before I leave if possible (not sure I can, though). I'll take a look at your analysis after.
One thing I notice is that for your survival, you kind of need to call prplhz and Tubesock both scum. I'm assuming Bourneq is the final scum?
The Night 2 kill, again, that would have been Half the Sky regardless of whether or not her reads were good. I don't think the night kill itself implicates prplhz here (though it does suggest that it might be a good idea to borrow Half the Sky's read).
I could certainly see the scum team being prplhz, Tubesock, and Bourneq.
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I think that Tubesock is my preferred lynch for the day.
##unvote ##vote Tubesock
I need to head out now. But I see a lot of suspicious progressions in his reads, and he hasn't been providing much original content (outside of his two big theories). More will follow when I get the chance.
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Actually, I just realized.
Bourneq is almost certainly scum here.
He is mafia's easiest mislynch. And he's been largely ignored for quite some time. If Bourneq were town, mafia would almost certainly push him. That's more than enough for me.
##unvote ##vote Bourneq
Bourneq is almost certainly mafia, Tubesock is probably mafia. One more between prplhz, rsoultin, and jarjarbinks.
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On April 17 2015 08:06 Trfel wrote: Actually, I just realized.
Bourneq is almost certainly scum here.
He is mafia's easiest mislynch. And he's been largely ignored for quite some time. If Bourneq were town, mafia would almost certainly push him. That's more than enough for me.
##unvote ##vote Bourneq
Bourneq is almost certainly mafia, Tubesock is probably mafia. One more between prplhz, rsoultin, and jarjarbinks. To further explain, the only way that this wouldn't be the case is if mafia was bussing today (which I find unlikely), or if they felt it would be easier to get another mislynch instead. But I see no united push. By far the most likely scum here is Bourneq.
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On April 17 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 02:10 prplhz wrote: @trfel
FACT: i was the main opposition to the plot lynch. FACT: i was the main opposition to the dwarf lynch. FACT: if your scum team has me and bourneq i have been pushing my newbie teammate all game long from his very first post. FACT: these are objectively the towniest things anybody in this thread have done. and they're all me. breshke has come close with some of his analysis. FACT: if you mislynch me here that's NOT GOING TO BE NOMINATED FOR A MAFIA AWARD Prp what analysis of mine have you liked? mostly the setup analysis
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2015 13:47 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 13:33 Breshke wrote: Hey tube.
What do you think or prplhz? You have me and soren as town reads and we seem to disagree on him so far whats your opinion? Prplhz seems carefree and saying things to further discussion and whatnot. The problem is like HTS and Rsoultin it isn't anything that I don't think he can do as scum. I don't understand his Bourneq stuff. Or at least how it's less scummy than Postpol or bloodydwarf. He scums Bourneq for not caring about his post, but then doesn't care at all that Rsoultin said she would lynch HTS for being townie? Isn't that weird? I'd place you in the same category (can't town due to fear) but your post about BloodyDwarf I don't see can come from scum. You talked about how he is probably playing like that because of the SC2 arcade, but then say he's still scum for HTS' points. I think if you were scum you wouldn't consider him town at all. If you are scum, you're making it harder on yourself to lynch him. Hence my town read on you. Soren is digging in and following through with people more than he would need to as scum. On April 11 2015 01:22 Tubesock wrote: Why am I the only one towning Breshke for his waffling on Dwarf? He has like 4 posts about Dwarf considering his actions. He's showing more indepth digging than a lot of you are. What would mafia!breshke gain from this? I'm missing something here. I have a hard time seeing mafia!Breshke waffling like this.
TheBloodyDwarf: What are your reads? Who is your primary lynch target? You have some time to prove your towniness and you do have some support so it shouldn't be too difficult, you have something like 30 hours left. I'll remove my vote on you, but until you show some reads and critical thinking you are still my likely lynch.
##Unvote On April 11 2015 19:35 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 09:10 plotspot wrote:On April 11 2015 08:57 Half the Sky wrote:I also don't like how plot said that TBD was a victim. When two posts prior, he says this. On April 10 2015 09:34 plotspot wrote: Why joke vote? It will stand as long as nothing else happens. It's not like Ace1312 feels totally threatened. At this time Bourneq will burn. Or even BloodyDwarf who a few people have on their list for certain acceptable reasons.
It's a bit contradictory in logic. I think the word "acceptable" is the bad boy here right? I should have written "acceptable for them, in their kind of logic, to which I can agree to a certain degree, but not nailingly sure for me". I think Dwarf is a victim because, he has to justify himself and looks helpless, but that's also because he hasn't post alot right? Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote:On April 10 2015 15:09 jarjarbinks wrote:On April 10 2015 08:41 plotspot wrote: prplhz is 100% town. I can smell it.^^ Plot, can you explain why you think this? I'm assuming you didn't actually 100% believe it, but you just think he's town. Also, what do you think of dwarf and onegu so far? + Show Spoiler +whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town. about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^ Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can. On April 10 2015 23:00 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:00 plotspot wrote: Guys I'm at work, tonight when I have time I will try to detail out whats needed. Still concerning Onegu, before it crosses to real life, I said he was PLAYING LIKE a fucktard (for the couple of first posts that I saw at that moment), not that he is one. And he knows it. Judging by his tone he isn't offended. How is perceived poor play alignment indicative? IIRC you were scumreading or calling out scum behaviour based on him "playing like a fucktard?" Especially in a newbie game - yes I know Onegu is not a noob but the point still stands - how are you distinguishing between poor play and scum play? Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote: I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things. I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? These reek of covering his ass as mafia. It's pretty waffly. I think it's different than how Breshke waffled on Dwarf though. I feel like Breshke didn't actually care what people though of his waffle. Yet, this is very much defensive. On April 15 2015 05:24 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 05:20 The Shining wrote: Yeah wow mind meld moment.
I'm actually interested in what Tube and Stutters have to say about Bresh D2. Im still on Dwarf but I could move to Bresh.
Kind of disappointed that Prpl and JJB aren't here, either. They are still question marks for me and not in a good way. Don't move to Breshke. He hasn't been leading town at all but I've liked all the interactions I've had with him and with others. He's been a useful sounding board. Definitely worth more to keep around that Dwarf.
Within the spoiler are times before this phase where tube gives a read on me. They are all town but that is not necessarily important. Look at the logic. Look at his reasons for the read. In every case it shows logic which you i think most people would agree with or at least come to an understanding of how he could see it that way. He also makes clear conclusions from every point he brings up.
Moving onto this phase we have this post.
On April 16 2015 18:01 Tubesock wrote:I think I know what's going on. While I think I'm right, I will acknowledge I was wrong on TheBloodyDwarf. I don't always get all the scum, but I at least get two. Anyway, what I'm thinking. Soren333 was widely towned. Others too probably but I think he was the most towned. In his filter he scummed TheBloodyDwarf, Onegu, Prplhz, Slotspot, and Bourneq. Holyflare subs in. So, doubly obvious night kill. Half the Sky was also widely towned. Trfel and many others of you already agreed she was the obvious night kill. What were her big things? Big case on Onegu. Who was under suspicion? Breshke. Who was scumread? Bourneq. Plotspot. Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
plotspot the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (1): Soren333, Breshke, Tubesock, The Shining, Tubesock Breshke (0): Onegu The Shining (1): plotspot Bourneq (0): prplhz plotspot (7): Onegu, Breshke, rsoultin, prplhz, Bourneq, Soren333, Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Onegu prplhz (0): TheBloodyDwarf Stutters695 (4): prplhz, Tubesock, TheBloodyDwarf, Half the Sky
Here's Half the Sky's assessment of Onegu's vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=61#1220 I also think that Onegu's vote on Breshke was a joke. He didn't say hardly anything about it (typical Onegu behavior though) and then came in calling us idiots for not being on the "scumclaim". I asked him where his vote was and then "oh "forgot" ##Vote: lotspot. I think he was obviously looking to change his vote, that vote wasn't serious at all. Patterns.... TheBloodyDwarf Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
TheBloodyDwarf the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel Breshke (0): rsoultin The Shining (1): Breshke , rsoultin, Trfel , TheBloodyDwarf Bourneq (1): prplhz Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Stutters695 while vigi shot, there is still information. It's not as solid or anything, but things of note. He scummed Breshke. Trfel also said Stuters695 was on his most suspicious list before Stutters died. Breshke last words about Stutters while alive were "I can't vote him now but I hope I don't regret it." then votes The Shining. I'll have individual cases on the three as well tomorrow. We have time to talk about it.
First reason for cumming me in this post is that HTS had me in her suspicious section.
Under review: Breshke - D1 activity okay, D2 activity illogical, need to check town meta Tubesock - Trace all read progression. Did town him for tinfoil/GF theories, but needed to see how he drove the Dwarf lynch. Need to review why he dropped prplhz as a scumread. Shining - Super low activity from him and Ace. Meta-ed him post-lynch and didn't look good but need to check latest posts.
I do not see how he finds this a reason to scum me when he himself and the other UN COUNTER CLAIMED pr are also in this list. This is not a logical conclusion that someone would make.
Im skipping the joke vote from onegu on me because I doubt that was a joke vote more likely onegu just lost interest and it is so so so unlikely if i was mafia id be mafia with onegu/trefel.
Last in this post he refers to me saying I could not vote stutters yet fails to explain how this would make me scum. He doesn't even draw the conclusion that this would make me scum he simply states that it was something i said. How does this add to his case? Why did he bring it up if he then didn't further refer to it in his later case on me? This obviously was not a very important point to him so why did he point it out.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2015 02:57 Tubesock wrote:Breshkeis mafia. I think his actions so far in the game show mafia intent. I want you guys to reread Breshke again. 1. Vote progression Day 1. I already linked the Day 1 final vote. Note he voted TBD, says well maybe he's lynchbait, then parks his vote on Plotspot who was also lynchbait. This could be towny. Add this up to the rest of his actions though. While town!Breshke is capable of this so is Breshke. 2. Vote Progression Day 2. Removed votes on The Shining and Stutters695 and ends up on Prplhz because that's + Show Spoiler [what he would have wanted] +On April 15 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:So i want to explain my EoD actions because not many people seem to be understanding. There was three wagons. Shining, who i think is scum Prp, who i was null town leanish/hadn't looked into much since D1 TBD who I had no diea about. It was obvious to me that the shining misslynch was not going to go through. The only person whow anted it in the thread as much as i did was trefel. After realising i would not get the lynch i wanted i assessed the other two wagons. Rso and shining were both voting on TBD. If shining is scum RSo is most likely his partner because the way is ee it she stopped im from getting lynched EoD. That coupled with the fact with how fast she flipped her read on me while seemingly calling me town all game leads me to think they are both scum. This lead me to the conclusion that i would rather lynch Prp than dwarf because if shining and rso are scum they would not BOTH be voting their scum partner TBD therefore it would be more likely that prp was scum than TBD Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote: tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever
his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-
if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more I honestly don't know where the bolded part has come from but I want you to know whatever your alignment and whatever my allighnment this is not how i was trying to come across to you. I hoenstly did not think you would get enough votes on me and i was having a hard enough time actually finding someone i thought was scum after i flipped on bourne so i wasn't interested in trying to defend myself with like half an hour left when i felt it wasnt necessary and there was more important things to do. Interesting post. He has demonstrated that he was scumming Shining for reasons. The weird thing though is he was also "scumming" Rsoultin for basically for: On April 15 2015 05:28 Breshke wrote: RSO could easily be scum here for thinking i was town enough to vote shining straight after i do.basically cheerleadering.me then trying to wagon me with shining when she thinks i.womt rock up(won't wake up??). But later Rso posts quite a few quotes where she says she's scumming him. So, uh it's not like he's reading the thread that well. Or misrepresenting it. So is this a reason to scum her AND also vote to kill a townlean over a "I have no idea on"? He knows both Prplhz and TheBloodyDwarf are town. How careful does Breshke have to be? This looks like scum keeping his excuses open and his miss lynches available. This is also a great example to show that he isn't really trying to solve the game. 3. Bluehunting Stutters695 + Show Spoiler [Bluehunting] +On April 12 2015 11:28 Stutters695 wrote:
Assume I'm town for a second(you'll see why d2). Prpl tries to switch the wagon onto me. From a scum perspective: He mislynches me (I get harder to mislynch as the game goes on generally) On April 13 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote: I am really interested what stutters means by the bolded.. On April 13 2015 14:25 Breshke wrote: Also i kind of want to vote stutters until he explains why we would all understand he was town on D2 because there's no point pretending he didn't say that. Bluehunting again. Apparently, Breshke expected Stutters695 to respond "I'm totes DOC/VET/MEDIC/WHATEVER" but instead got: On April 14 2015 10:33 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 10:31 Breshke wrote: Stutters have you seen the reason why I am voting you? Sure have. WIFOM son. Am I blue, am I VT? Who knows, but my posting should make it pretty obvious I'm town. On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:
I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.
##Unvote What exactly did town!Breshke get from this exchange? What did Breshke get? 4. Setup Speculation + Show Spoiler [RB claim etc] +On April 14 2015 12:25 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.
D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.
I have two questions for you.
1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself. 2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1? 1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore. 2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway. They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide. Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so... I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase. ##UnvoteI currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him. Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely. Why? Who is going to prot the new guy? Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed. There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role. If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.) Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase. ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^ There is no setup with both doc and vet? Idk if im misreading what you mean but there is 1 of vigi/cop and one of vet/medic Im saying because of mafias roleblock im like 85% sure we have a vet.I could go further and say there is probably a vigi aswell but that logic comes down to personal preference and how much they thought HF would be a threat. On April 13 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote:
The strangest thing to me is reading sorens filter i don't really get any indication that he might be a role so mafia kind of doesn't care about role hunting? Could mean we have a weaker setup? This further strengthens your points one and kind of three i think that mafia were most worried about HF's possible future reads more than they were worried about anything anyone has been pushing so far. This being said night kill WIFOM is a real thing.
Also if you were roleblocked you should 100% tell the thread straight away. Does Town!Breshke gain anything from this? What does Breshke gain? Does this look like someone playing VET? Mafia knows if there is a vet or not. If he's the vet why would town!Breshke bother to see if people are roleblocked? He would KNOW there is no Medic. He thinks mafia will fakeclaim a roleblock and not send it on a town? If they are dumb enough to fakeclaim an RB they are dumb enough to send it on a town. He's doing this to create chaos and disrupt scumhunting. 5. I haven't played much mafia. I'm no expert who can immediately pick out future nightkills or anything but I do have an opinion on how a VET probably wants to play. How you might ask? Being super town so that mafia shoots you. You also have motive to play town enough so VIGI doesn't shoot you. Is Breshke's actions from the mindset of a vet? 6. Breshke is not stupid. There is no question that his fakeclaim vig to vet claim is a hail mary. Town, investigate a bit more please to see if this is a hail mary as town or mafia. Reread Breshke's actions. Do not accept "oh I'm dumb" as an excuse. That's the easiest mafia cop out ever. Do you think his bluehunting lines up with him being Vet? Is he doing that breadcrumbing for a town purpose or mafia purpose. Why wouldn't vet just play super town? He really would think that the other blue would be the only one to catch his hint and not one of the three mafia?? I also think that Breshke was excited this phase because he's been bluehunting all game and now he can finally use whatever his bluehunting scheme was from before. I think he decided that he was going to possibly fakeclaim from early on. This hail mary of his is to seal the deal.
Inside the spoiler is his individual case on me.
1.Tube actually admits in this point that what I did WAS NOT allighnment indicitive. I am an unclaimed PR. This being said if tube is town he must feel really fucking strongly about me being scum. So his first point in a case on me would not end in "yeah he could do this as town or mafia". There is no way. Nor do i think the argument that I just parked my vote on plot is necessarily true.
2.In this point tube completely ignores my explanation for why I switched my vote from theshining to prp. I am not going to explain it again but once again this is tube ignoring some of my posts so he can once again grasp at things to call me scum with.
3. No conclusions are made from this point. He asks what scum/town breshke would get from bluehunting yet doesnt answer this question himself. Obviously no one is going to respond to this question so why not explain that he thinks I was obviously bluehunting in the thread on stutters then decided that I would not kill him?
On April 14 2015 13:58 Breshke wrote: Stutters if you had one read you were most sure of who would it be and what do you think their alignment is? I don't need a reason.
He also missed this post which could be seen as the biggest blue hunting post. I knew im the evt so if stutters was a pr he was the cop or vigi and this was me basically trying to get him to soft his checks a obvious as it might've been.
4.This point is absolutly wrong and shows he isn't thinking about what he is even writing. The setup could have been cop/vet in which case mafia probably try and roleblock the cop. Also there is still a possibility in vigi/vet that mafia try and claim a roleblock (after they rb the person they kill) for town cred. Tube asks what i get as town from this, it is clear that in one scenario it was that i should be wary of the eprson who claimed rb and in the other that the person who claimed RB is most likely town. It also was a way of letting the other power role know there was a vet.
5. I think I was fairly townie in the first few days (tube apparently also thought this???) so i don't think i can be criticized for not trying that. Also my comment that it would have been better for the shining to shoot me is 100% justified because we then become basically confirmed to eachother and town doesn't go into mylo. He also asks if my actions are from the mindset of a vet yet fails to show anywhere where he thinks im not coming from the mindset of a vet.
6.The other three mafia wouldnt have exactly caught my play as rso was the only one who pinged out the paragraph where i was trying to make it clear to the vigi not to claim. If it was anyone but shining I think it would have gone better (not because i think he is bad but because he was scum reading me)
I also don't understand how my bluehinting from ebfore ties into that play but w/e.
Anyway this has become really long so tl dr this shows a clear disconnect in tube's reads where he logically calls me town with reasons to where he starts calling me scum for far far weaker reasons which he constantly fails to draw conclusions from. Making a case on someone who is an unclaimed PR probably means one of two things. You feel really strongly that that person is mafia which tube clearly doesn't as a lot of his points end in questions not conclusions or you plan on CC'ing that person which would be absurd at this point
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On April 17 2015 09:16 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 02:10 prplhz wrote: @trfel
FACT: i was the main opposition to the plot lynch. FACT: i was the main opposition to the dwarf lynch. FACT: if your scum team has me and bourneq i have been pushing my newbie teammate all game long from his very first post. FACT: these are objectively the towniest things anybody in this thread have done. and they're all me. breshke has come close with some of his analysis. FACT: if you mislynch me here that's NOT GOING TO BE NOMINATED FOR A MAFIA AWARD Prp what analysis of mine have you liked? mostly the setup analysis
Why is that townie. Couldn't I do it as scum for towncred/looking for reactions as id know the setup?
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