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On April 04 2015 23:29 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2015 22:47 Damdred wrote:
Also while its not 100% reliable obviously, Oneg HATES bussing d1. From previous games I've played with him the thought of mafia bussing slam d1 for instance he could not comprehend because he doesn't think mafia would want to lose a team mate d1.
I'm not so sure that scum!oneg would jump on the LS wagon and hope it doesn't take off, before the vig claims LS or Rayn were the top candidates really. (before I pushed vivax that is) Show nested quote +On April 04 2015 13:51 Damdred wrote:
So if I go with rayn is in total bus mode it probably makes toad scum lol
oneg is town probably so would leave me with last scum between trfel and ff... so everyone and their mom agrees that BOTH Palmar and Rayn hate bussing as mafia. Rayn and Palmar go after ToadYou're willing to completly throw that thought away for no reason whatsoever other than "what if" and next page you're arguing for Onegu being town because he hates bussing, the very concept you just threw away because "what if"Make sure to make a last second post Artanis, seems like mafia plan is to bus on the lynch between Onegu vs FF tomorrow and either go "look, they shot Trfel/Toad and he flipped green, that means Toad/Trfel is mafia because it has to be one out of those two!" or "look, they didn't shoot Trfel/Toad, one of them has to be mafia!" and hope to get that last ML that way. Either way you're dead with how Damdred/Onegu are pushing the idea that one of Trfel/Toad has to be mafia, even more so if one of them is town lol
Thats a pretty good point.
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The voteswitch... well I wanted to give it a try and see if we can some weird interactions out of it. Mostly directed at Onegu to see if he continues his sheep or suddenly starts arguing one way or the other. I didn't get anything out of it so I explained it and told people to get back on what he wanted lynched in the first place.
Why I'm alive? I think I got lucky in that every single night some weird tinfoilhat came around from some different angle about how I could possible be mafia and mafia wanted me around for that. Without really looking it up and just off the top of my head:
n1 it was still likely that the lynch is between Vivax vs Toad on d2 imo
n2 and everything after that we had people (rayn, Palmar at the very least) going after me so I just don't see mafia shooting me in that situation if two of them are pushing me and want to keep doing so instead of having to make new arguments about other people.
Later on we had that period with Vivax going after all of Artanis/Toad/Trfel so mafia probably just wanted to keep us three around for that and now they're prepairing for tomorrow... shot Vivax because like Artanis said he was the single person noone was tinfoiling at all.
As for Trfel I'd guess they (rightfully) considered Eden to be more dangerous and last night Vivax just was the better shot as well as taking a chance at wifom, as can be seen right now. I just don't see him claiming VET as mafia at all.
As for blue balance, yeah we have vanilla goons flipped but if mafia is on massive power roles to combat that it's possible with vigs losing their bullets. We know that Rayn/ritoky was RB, so what if team mafia has/had RB+framer+GF as well as maybe some yet unflipped Millers to combat the cop. Or RB + framer + rolecop to so that mafia can snipe the blues.
Talking about balance of blues is somewhat pointless as long as we don't know what powerroles mafia has.
I mean for all we know we could be having 3 vigs and something like Onegu vigged Player A as well as KP Player B while being jailed n1 or some crap like that. Yes unlikely but there's so many different possible scenarios to blance this one way or the other.
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Here's a prediction of what will happen.
Toadesstern will die tonight.
We lynch Fecalfeast tomorrow, he flips mafia.
Then, Artanis dies.
That leaves at 4 player MYLO, with:
Trfel
sicklucker
Onegu
Damdred
The scum is probably Damdred. But, Damdred and Onegu are both scumreading me. If town doesn't vote together, they lose. So this is actually a fairly realistic way that town could lose this game, by mislynching me at 4p MYLO. This is why I am not going to be night killed, and why I wasn't killed last night. It's a good plan for mafia. Alternatively, of course, they can try to mislynch one of Damdred/Onegu. This way, mafia has two potential mislynch options instead of just one (which is what it should be, as sicklucker, Toadesstern, Artanis, and I are all town).
Look at my play outside of my veteran claim, even outside of my orb usage (though both suggest that I am town). Here is why I am still town.
- My play this game is beyond my capabilities as mafia (I know, you can't really verify this, but I'm a miserable liar and am terrible at mafia
- Through the first several days, I was consistent and productive, and worked with others to solve the game
- Raynpelikoneet attacked me for a long period of time
- I was always suspicious of raynpelikoneet, and never was comfortable with his tracker claim, which I wouldn't do as mafia
I'm not mafia here. And I refuse to be mislynched. If town chooses to lynch me on the basis of "too many blues" instead of paying attention to all of the other reasons that make me town, then I don't know what to say.
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Meanwhile Sicklucker getting depressions because noone consideres him a possible nightkill despite being one of the unlynchable guys... but let's be honest... he's not getting shot lol
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The night kill thing really doesn't make sense here.
Night 1
Mafia shot Holyflare and Onegu, eliminating two (at the time, widely accepted) confirmed townies, as well as making sure Holyflare's reads would be shut up for good (no Onegu posting stuff from the mason QT after Holyflare's death).
Night 2
Rsoultin and ExO_, the jailkeeper and cop, died. I don't think you can argue that mafia should have taken any other action.
Night 3
Eden died. Eden was universally townread (well, except for ritoky) for his high level of gameplay. He was playing the best in the game, and was essentially confirmed town. Of course mafia wanted to shoot him.
Night 4
I got shot. This makes sense at the time, as I was considered confirmed town. I think that mafia should have shot Toadesstern here, as he is also confirmed town (and the better player), but whatever.
Night 5
Vivax was shot. I wasn't shot because people were voicing suspicions of me. Of course I wouldn't be shot here. As for shooting Vivax or Toadesstern, I'm not sure it matters that much for mafia. So, they chose one. Not suspicious.
The most suspicious night kill was the night one kill on Onegu. Everything else makes perfect sense.
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On April 05 2015 01:17 Toadesstern wrote:
Meanwhile Sicklucker getting depressions because noone consideres him a possible nightkill despite being one of the unlynchable guys... but let's be honest... he's not getting shot lol Hm, they might kill sicklucker and Artanis, and then leave both of us alive to make the whole "too many power roles" thing have as much weight as possible.
It's just Fecalfeast/Damdred, lynch them both and win.
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I don't understand why i'm mafia exactly?
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On April 05 2015 01:12 Trfel wrote:Here's a prediction of what will happen. Toadesstern will die tonight. We lynch Fecalfeast tomorrow, he flips mafia. Then, Artanis dies. That leaves at 4 player MYLO, with: Trfel sicklucker Onegu Damdred
The scum is probably Damdred. But, Damdred and Onegu are both scumreading me. If town doesn't vote together, they lose. So this is actually a fairly realistic way that town could lose this game, by mislynching me at 4p MYLO. This is why I am not going to be night killed, and why I wasn't killed last night. It's a good plan for mafia. Alternatively, of course, they can try to mislynch one of Damdred/Onegu. This way, mafia has two potential mislynch options instead of just one (which is what it should be, as sicklucker, Toadesstern, Artanis, and I are all town).
Look at my play outside of my veteran claim, even outside of my orb usage (though both suggest that I am town). Here is why I am still town. - My play this game is beyond my capabilities as mafia (I know, you can't really verify this, but I'm a miserable liar and am terrible at mafia
- Through the first several days, I was consistent and productive, and worked with others to solve the game
- Raynpelikoneet attacked me for a long period of time
- I was always suspicious of raynpelikoneet, and never was comfortable with his tracker claim, which I wouldn't do as mafia
I'm not mafia here. And I refuse to be mislynched. If town chooses to lynch me on the basis of "too many blues" instead of paying attention to all of the other reasons that make me town, then I don't know what to say.
Your post infers btw, that both oneg and myself are town
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LIke you just said i'm scum, but at the same time you call me and oneg mislynch...
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I understand that differently, but might as well wait for Trfel to answer it
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On April 04 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 10:46 LightningStrike wrote:On March 21 2015 10:44 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 10:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back just got my Dad from the Airport and had Dinner with him and saw that BM was lynched instead of Vivax or Toad since they are the ones who claimed Vig and counterclaimed each other. Also Holyflare looks a little bad for lynching BM and rayn and Palmar's switches seemed scummy after the flip of BM. Perhaps rayn is Mafia alongside Holyflare and Palmar? I don't know tbh but I think 1 of the 3 of them is Mafia at least.
@Holyflare: Why you thought BM was Mafia?
@rayn: Why you swap to BM when I thought you were scumreading Vivax?
@Palmar: Why you swap to BM too when you didn't really say much about him in your filter? ... 1. He pointed out why. 2. He scumreads Toad. 3. He scumreads Toad. Some for you: Do you think HF is fakeclaiming being masoned with ONegu? Where have you been around deadline? Are your only possible scummers these three guys cause BM got lynched and over the course of the game you never found anyone else to suspect? I don't think HF is fakeclaiming being Masoned with Onegu because HF normally doesn't fake claim a role as Town. I was at the airport picking up with my Dad at deadline and was taking him out to eat dinner. Those 3 were the biggest ones I thought of after checking out EoD stuff. There could others I just need to check voting patterns on that. Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 10:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the reason I don't think we would have 2 Town Vigs because that would stupid to have 2 Town Vigs esp with a Tracker claim from Rayn although he looks bad at the End of Day voting for his switch to BM seemed to have little reason. Also we had 2 masons claimed in Onegu and Holyflare so if we really had 5 blues it would to over powered I think for Town even in such a large game (We got 18 people signed up for this game). Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 10:53 LightningStrike wrote:On March 21 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote:
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dude ls most people don't claim VT that's not a normal thing >< not the way you and onegu do anyway At least I only claim it under pressure unlike Onegu :O Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 12:07 LightningStrike wrote:On March 21 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:
people keep saying onegu and hf but i'm not 100% where that comes from? Onegu said Holyflare was his Partner. This just reads to believable and to sincere to me. Art what do you think? I know LS is scum hre and I need to go check his other games but this just seems like he believes the claim 100%. I'm not sure if mafia LS reacts in this way to mafia Oneg claiming mason?
I'm actually inclined to agree with this. This is how scumLS responded to scumGeript claiming vig in JOAT:
On March 05 2015 12:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button.
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On March 25 2015 13:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 13:29 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm not sure yet that he's a better lynch than other people in my pile.
Although Superbia is doing a good job of getting himself off the list... Eden, now that ritoky and Onegu have claimed VT... What do you think about the game's power role balance? 2 vigilantes 1 jailkeeper 1 cop Is that fair for a 15 town vs 5 scum game? Thanks!
Trfel what is the point of this question at that point in the game? If you are blue like you claim you have already said that you believe the two vigilante claims I believe, RS is obvious JK and Exo is the cop.
So why even ask this if you are blue here?
On March 25 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, can I get answers to these questions? Links to previous posts are fine. But I'd like fairly concise explanations.
Why is Alakaslam scum?
Why is Onegu town?
Why is ritoky town? (given how he crushed town as scum in Down Under 2)
On March 27 2015 00:53 Trfel wrote:
I need to head out now. I'll check in when I can, but I might not be back until a couple of hours before the deadline. I'm sorry about that. But my reads aren't the best, and I'm not terribly familiar with this game, so it's probably better that I'm not the person leading town anyway.
Want to lynch:
Onegu
ritoky
Could lynch:
Fecalfeast
Superbia
Artanis (meh)
Alakaslam
Breshke (though I haven't read his filter at all)
On March 27 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:
I mean, I would rather lynch Onegu or ritoky. But it doesn't appear that I have that option.
Might as well make it look like town is united so that scum is scared.
On March 27 2015 07:26 Trfel wrote:This could work for me, at least. Ritoky has looked really towny, though I wouldn't expect otherwise, regardless of his alignment. But last time this happened to me (scummy player into towny replacement) I didn't pay attention to the replacement's play, and I paid for it.
You have a lot of weird things in your filter after Ritoky replaces in I've grabbed a few out just to ask what your thought process is and i'll elaborate a bit what I noticed in your filter.
1) Every time you mention lynching ritoky you always pair him with another name and as time progresses you always seem to favor the other person above Ritoky and getting them lynched. You also show a amount of respect and fear for rits scum game but you barely interact with him here and you call him towny but then put him back in the scum list with someone else but always vote someone else evn when the push to lynch rit is quite real I feel.
2) You keep going back and forth on Oneg like you know hes one of the last possible mislynches in place. You at one point say hes scum for these reasons then say nope nvm don't hold water and then you have him as town and then as sure scum again. Whats going on with your read on Oneg, and now you have him as town and a possible mislynch, I don't understand nor do I see your train of thought.
I honestly think your scum, because of how you treat Ritoky and the frantic way your reads are changing without explanation really.
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ITS FECAL FEAST AND TRFEL.
GAME OVER
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anyways I read it as "they can try to mislynch one of Damdred/Onegu [whatever happens to be town out of those two while the other one is mafia]" + asserting that you're more likely to be mafia
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I could see that toad, but I am heavily town reading Art, SL and i'm town reading Oneg. So to me it either has to be you, Trfel with FF. And i'm inclined to go with the person whos reads and interactions look worse to me
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On April 05 2015 01:56 Toadesstern wrote:
anyways I read it as "they can try to mislynch one of Damdred/Onegu [whatever happens to be town out of those two while the other one is mafia]" + asserting that you're more likely to be mafia
But at the same time if trfel is so sure that i'm scum as the very next post suggests and the start of the post suggests you normally wouldn't say. mislynch Damdred/Onegu you would say or they go for a mislynch in Onegu.
I know its semantics, but the phrasing is really strange to me
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On April 05 2015 01:17 Toadesstern wrote:
Meanwhile Sicklucker getting depressions because noone consideres him a possible nightkill despite being one of the unlynchable guys... but let's be honest... he's not getting shot lol
i think i might be was about to make a will
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I think it's pretty much between sl and me who's going to get shot. I can see it being sl for sure.
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I hope you respond to everything I posted I really think you are wrong on trfel art and his filter actually looks really bad especially with the thought that ritoky is mafia and he never realy pushes him just mentions him and pushes oneg then backs off etc.,
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