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On March 21 2015 10:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 10:44 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 10:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back just got my Dad from the Airport and had Dinner with him and saw that BM was lynched instead of Vivax or Toad since they are the ones who claimed Vig and counterclaimed each other. Also Holyflare looks a little bad for lynching BM and rayn and Palmar's switches seemed scummy after the flip of BM. Perhaps rayn is Mafia alongside Holyflare and Palmar? I don't know tbh but I think 1 of the 3 of them is Mafia at least.
@Holyflare: Why you thought BM was Mafia?
@rayn: Why you swap to BM when I thought you were scumreading Vivax?
@Palmar: Why you swap to BM too when you didn't really say much about him in your filter? ... 1. He pointed out why. 2. He scumreads Toad. 3. He scumreads Toad. Some for you: Do you think HF is fakeclaiming being masoned with ONegu? Where have you been around deadline? Are your only possible scummers these three guys cause BM got lynched and over the course of the game you never found anyone else to suspect? I don't think HF is fakeclaiming being Masoned with Onegu because HF normally doesn't fake claim a role as Town. I was at the airport picking up with my Dad at deadline and was taking him out to eat dinner. Those 3 were the biggest ones I thought of after checking out EoD stuff. There could others I just need to check voting patterns on that.
On March 21 2015 10:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the reason I don't think we would have 2 Town Vigs because that would stupid to have 2 Town Vigs esp with a Tracker claim from Rayn although he looks bad at the End of Day voting for his switch to BM seemed to have little reason. Also we had 2 masons claimed in Onegu and Holyflare so if we really had 5 blues it would to over powered I think for Town even in such a large game (We got 18 people signed up for this game).
On March 21 2015 10:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote:
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dude ls most people don't claim VT that's not a normal thing >< not the way you and onegu do anyway At least I only claim it under pressure unlike Onegu :O
On March 21 2015 12:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:
people keep saying onegu and hf but i'm not 100% where that comes from? Onegu said Holyflare was his Partner.
This just reads to believable and to sincere to me.
Art what do you think? I know LS is scum hre and I need to go check his other games but this just seems like he believes the claim 100%. I'm not sure if mafia LS reacts in this way to mafia Oneg claiming mason?
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Also while its not 100% reliable obviously, Oneg HATES bussing d1. From previous games I've played with him the thought of mafia bussing slam d1 for instance he could not comprehend because he doesn't think mafia would want to lose a team mate d1.
I'm not so sure that scum!oneg would jump on the LS wagon and hope it doesn't take off, before the vig claims LS or Rayn were the top candidates really. (before I pushed vivax that is)
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@FF can you take me through the process of pushing LS and why you just disappeared and stopped all pressure on him especially during the night phase?
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Also FF this is what I consider to be your best town game I've seen you play, titanic was also a close second to this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=Fecalfeast&view=all
You are also very well balanced in both taking a measured view of the thread and always tried to be around for deadline and helped get votes moving or shenanigans.
Firstly why were you missing around EoD n1? Secondly why are you so overtly aggressive this game in comparison to your town game, in slytern and partially in titanic even when you scum read people you weren't super aggressive about it you pressured but it was very balanced.
Here its just total pressure with no balance, if you read slytern the tone just seems so different to me.
Need someone else to read it as well as I might be confirm biasing myself currently
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On April 02 2015 06:58 Fecalfeast wrote:From LS filter: DamdredShow nested quote +On March 20 2015 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 20 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
People should leave Eden alone so much town so wow Not all of us have perfect information, bro Can't tell if you are sarcastic or not about Damdred. LS mentions damdred more than a few times. Most times it is with a defensive tone. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 07:26 Palmar wrote:
Damdred might actually be mafia. Okay why you think Damdred is Mafia? Just curious that's all. Also I moving FF now to Town even though he got alignment wrong this game again so it not surprising for to have him case me :O This post, ignoring the part where he totally TMI's my alignment, is weird to me. He asks palmar his scumbuddy about why he's scumreading damdred but he asks it in thread. Makes me lean a little on the side of damdred being scum as I read this as "Why are you going after a teammate?" but I could be wrong. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:Was watching History of Trunks Abridged by Teamfourstar + Show Spoiler +Best Abridged movie ever! and there wasn't much posted. Artanis what's your case on Damdred being Mafia? Damdred what of Artanis calling you Mafia? Asking artanis about damdred and basically telling damdred to defend himself Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:02 Damdred wrote:
You guys don't know how to read LS, if hes scum here it not because of those posts.
I'm here for the next hour roughly going to start filter diving and doing some things if anyone has any questions ask me before I get to it. What your thoughts on Artanis and VE's argument right now? Damdred says ls isn't scum, or at least says we had bad reasons to call him scum, which is a point against. LS then asks damdred about artanis and VE. LS acts like damdred is an ally all game and it makes me think damdred is scum. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 23:11 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:52 Damdred wrote:
Vivax is actually probably mafia for his filter and interactions in the game. His tone and actions in this game are vastly different from his normal town games even in games where he was scum read its so vastly different that he is probably scum.
The first thing I would like to draw your attention to is the activity to which Vivax is putting into the game at this point. The game is roughly 105 pages at this point after 36ish hours (probably 38 hours). Vivax has a filter of 2 1/2 pages discounting pre game discussion about game mechanics. While filter length is not always an indicator of scum, if you compare it to his town games in imperial (not as bad an example as the game is growing at a proportional rate to imperial at this time) or if you compare it to Void (day one in void) you will see the vast difference in how fast and loose Vivax is with his postings. He just doesn't have the same involvement in the game that he normally does as town.
This game Vivax takes a sidelines stance on many of the hot topics of the thread or just isn't taking part in it. For example when the slam business is going on Vivax pubically says hes not going to take a stance on it. Instead of taking a stance on the toad Palmar fiasco he just says it was an over reaction without drawing any real conclussions from it. He also has no opinion on rayn during a heated part of the thread, hes really not sticking his neck out or trying to get involved in the thread at the really heated times just really trying to blend in. IE I have Rayn on ice is what he says.
His scum hunting at this point is really generic without much push in the thread. When he has somewhat developed a scum read such as on superbia he states it and partially backs off of the read as time goes along. For example he scum reads superbia for a few posts and puts them in the thread but then moves on towards LS after he makes big LS type posts that look pretty easy to pick on. Super is still his strongest scum read and has the most reasoning behind it, when he returns to the thread he drops it over an argument that Super and Eden had over semantics? There were clear inconsitincies in what super was saying and acting in the thread during my interactions with Super and with super and eden. But they were good enough for super to drop his strongest suspect to move on to LS?
He has no real focus or push in the thread, his scum reads are pretty haphazard and he lacks the crazy drive that he normally shows as town. If you look in void or in imperial which I've already referenced before, or in Mission mafia he always is pushing people working out the scenerios in the thread driving the thread activity hes just not doing that here. Hes more subdued and letting the thread take its own course while blending in and not getting involved in the heat of the moment battles that are going on.
Compare his filter to his scum game in Storm Mafia 2 which I think was his last scum game? And it is pretty similar in length and ability to blend in and drive the thread.
Vivax is a good pick for scum here. Only a small correction but Vivax was Mafia in Carol (Ghost of Jacob Marley) but I do agree that he looks similar to how he played Storm (although he had a 7 page filter that game but this is a more active game so he could have a bigger filter since the the amount of pages for this game is going to surpass Storm but still) and Imperial was much more engaging at least the way I felt from reading his first few pages of his filter there and Void I remember him getting his own category for how crazy player is and he isn't being as crazy as he normally was in those games. If your Mafia again great you pocketed me again on a good case since I think it's prob the best case in this game. ##Vote: Vivax LS sheeps damdred's wall of text onto vivax with a reason that is proven false later on. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 23:22 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 23:17 sicklucker wrote:On March 20 2015 23:11 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:52 Damdred wrote:
Vivax is actually probably mafia for his filter and interactions in the game. His tone and actions in this game are vastly different from his normal town games even in games where he was scum read its so vastly different that he is probably scum.
The first thing I would like to draw your attention to is the activity to which Vivax is putting into the game at this point. The game is roughly 105 pages at this point after 36ish hours (probably 38 hours). Vivax has a filter of 2 1/2 pages discounting pre game discussion about game mechanics. While filter length is not always an indicator of scum, if you compare it to his town games in imperial (not as bad an example as the game is growing at a proportional rate to imperial at this time) or if you compare it to Void (day one in void) you will see the vast difference in how fast and loose Vivax is with his postings. He just doesn't have the same involvement in the game that he normally does as town.
This game Vivax takes a sidelines stance on many of the hot topics of the thread or just isn't taking part in it. For example when the slam business is going on Vivax pubically says hes not going to take a stance on it. Instead of taking a stance on the toad Palmar fiasco he just says it was an over reaction without drawing any real conclussions from it. He also has no opinion on rayn during a heated part of the thread, hes really not sticking his neck out or trying to get involved in the thread at the really heated times just really trying to blend in. IE I have Rayn on ice is what he says.
His scum hunting at this point is really generic without much push in the thread. When he has somewhat developed a scum read such as on superbia he states it and partially backs off of the read as time goes along. For example he scum reads superbia for a few posts and puts them in the thread but then moves on towards LS after he makes big LS type posts that look pretty easy to pick on. Super is still his strongest scum read and has the most reasoning behind it, when he returns to the thread he drops it over an argument that Super and Eden had over semantics? There were clear inconsitincies in what super was saying and acting in the thread during my interactions with Super and with super and eden. But they were good enough for super to drop his strongest suspect to move on to LS?
He has no real focus or push in the thread, his scum reads are pretty haphazard and he lacks the crazy drive that he normally shows as town. If you look in void or in imperial which I've already referenced before, or in Mission mafia he always is pushing people working out the scenerios in the thread driving the thread activity hes just not doing that here. Hes more subdued and letting the thread take its own course while blending in and not getting involved in the heat of the moment battles that are going on.
Compare his filter to his scum game in Storm Mafia 2 which I think was his last scum game? And it is pretty similar in length and ability to blend in and drive the thread.
Vivax is a good pick for scum here. Only a small correction but Vivax was Mafia in Carol (Ghost of Jacob Marley) but I do agree that he looks similar to how he played Storm (although he had a 7 page filter that game but this is a more active game so he could have a bigger filter since the the amount of pages for this game is going to surpass Storm but still) and Imperial was much more engaging at least the way I felt from reading his first few pages of his filter there and Void I remember him getting his own category for how crazy player is and he isn't being as crazy as he normally was in those games. If your Mafia again great you pocketed me again on a good case since I think it's prob the best case in this game. ##Vote: Vivax Im prettty sure vivax was town in carol. like pretty pretty sure Shit I forgot how the colors were in that game my bad. Ya he was town there. This also makes me think Vivax is town for the same reason I think ritoky is likely town now. also + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2015 10:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back just got my Dad from the Airport and had Dinner with him and saw that BM was lynched instead of Vivax or Toad since they are the ones who claimed Vig and counterclaimed each other. Also Holyflare looks a little bad for lynching BM and rayn and Palmar's switches seemed scummy after the flip of BM. Perhaps rayn is Mafia alongside Holyflare and Palmar? I don't know tbh but I think 1 of the 3 of them is Mafia at least.
@Holyflare: Why you thought BM was Mafia?
@rayn: Why you swap to BM when I thought you were scumreading Vivax?
@Palmar: Why you swap to BM too when you didn't really say much about him in your filter? LS basically makes it clear that the wagons d1 were all town (toad/vivax/BM) Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 00:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Rsoultin what is your thoughts on Damdred's case? Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:Damdred please don't be depressed bro  Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi Holyflare any thoughts on Damdred's case on Vivax?
RitokyShow nested quote +On March 20 2015 13:54 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:
LS who is mafia? If you read my filter I had explained it already but since you didn't read it Rayn is likely mafia despite the anger his talk with Palmar seems to be pointless and he didn't seem to get much out of it from what I had read from the thread. Outside of him I still wobbling trying to figure out which of my nulls are Mafia. I think this makes ritky town. LS wouldn't bus, I will sigbet anyone who thinks LS would call his mafia partner scum here.
oneguShow nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Also lol Onegu at least didn't RNG yourself or I would be pissed given our history together lol.......... EBWOP: By pissed I mean I know your town because of your Mason claim with Holyflare being your partner but you shouldn't RNG your sheep though incase you know you RNG yourself  This post sounds like LS genuinely believed that onegu and HF were masons. HF died and there was apparently a kp missing afterward. This makes me think I'm wrong on onegu. Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 10:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the reason I don't think we would have 2 Town Vigs because that would stupid to have 2 Town Vigs esp with a Tracker claim from Rayn although he looks bad at the End of Day voting for his switch to BM seemed to have little reason. Also we had 2 masons claimed in Onegu and Holyflare so if we really had 5 blues it would to over powered I think for Town even in such a large game (We got 18 people signed up for this game). This post makes me think that the scum QT was discussing the blue claims and balance as though all the claimers are town. Although this still doesn't excuse onegu fully as it would be a really dope mafia play to make onegu seem town.
Conclusion
Damdred
ritoky
vivax
onegu
BONUS FecalFeastShow nested quote +On March 20 2015 14:04 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote:On March 20 2015 13:54 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:
LS who is mafia? If you read my filter I had explained it already but since you didn't read it Rayn is likely mafia despite the anger his talk with Palmar seems to be pointless and he didn't seem to get much out of it from what I had read from the thread. Outside of him I still wobbling trying to figure out which of my nulls are Mafia. What did palmar get out of it that compared to rayn for you not to scumread him? Also I understand that you are townreading Exo because of meta comparing to his other game. What questions of his have you liked that makes you draw comparisons with another game. Also have any of your nulls changed at all from your last reads post. Even if you are reading some of them town now i'd like to hear it thankyou. Palmar had basically called Rayn Mafia for it. I reading FF town for him casing me which I don't think he would do as MAfia but he's wrong on my alignment again lol.... LS spends A LOT of posts reiterating the idea that I was wrong about his alignment. Then when asked why he townreads me even though I'm calling him mafia: Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 14:08 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote:On March 20 2015 14:04 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote:On March 20 2015 13:54 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:
LS who is mafia? If you read my filter I had explained it already but since you didn't read it Rayn is likely mafia despite the anger his talk with Palmar seems to be pointless and he didn't seem to get much out of it from what I had read from the thread. Outside of him I still wobbling trying to figure out which of my nulls are Mafia. What did palmar get out of it that compared to rayn for you not to scumread him? Also I understand that you are townreading Exo because of meta comparing to his other game. What questions of his have you liked that makes you draw comparisons with another game. Also have any of your nulls changed at all from your last reads post. Even if you are reading some of them town now i'd like to hear it thankyou. Palmar had basically called Rayn Mafia for it. I reading FF town for him casing me which I don't think he would do as MAfia but he's wrong on my alignment again lol.... Why don't you think ff wouldn't do it as mafia? Because FF never cased someone when he was Mafia as far I know O_o That is a bullshit answer since my only real scum game is a newbie game and my second game ever. He's got a tmi read on me and when it's challenged he gives a bullshit answer. That's all I'm saying.
Also explain how you got from this to where you are now
Also I noticed you said you were going to read my filter and report but I really don't see anything in depth?
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Short break then hopefully more people are here to talk
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On April 04 2015 22:47 Damdred wrote:
Also while its not 100% reliable obviously, Oneg HATES bussing d1. From previous games I've played with him the thought of mafia bussing slam d1 for instance he could not comprehend because he doesn't think mafia would want to lose a team mate d1.
I'm not so sure that scum!oneg would jump on the LS wagon and hope it doesn't take off, before the vig claims LS or Rayn were the top candidates really. (before I pushed vivax that is)
On April 04 2015 13:51 Damdred wrote:
So if I go with rayn is in total bus mode it probably makes toad scum lol
oneg is town probably so would leave me with last scum between trfel and ff...
so everyone and their mom agrees that BOTH Palmar and Rayn hate bussing as mafia. Rayn and Palmar go after Toad
You're willing to completly throw that thought away for no reason whatsoever other than "what if" and next page you're arguing for Onegu being town because he hates bussing, the very concept you just threw away because "what if"
Make sure to make a last second post Artanis, seems like mafia plan is to bus on the lynch between Onegu vs FF tomorrow and either go "look, they shot Trfel/Toad and he flipped green, that means Toad/Trfel is mafia because it has to be one out of those two!" or "look, they didn't shoot Trfel/Toad, one of them has to be mafia!" and hope to get that last ML that way. Either way you're dead with how Damdred/Onegu are pushing the idea that one of Trfel/Toad has to be mafia, even more so if one of them is town lol
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Rayn threw away his bussing meta with XXX, and bussed the hell out of LS. It is not that far out that he could potentially bus you when nobody was going to vote you.
Palmar you do have a point on. I still need to check his push out etc.,
Also everyone bus'd the hell out of LS, and Rayn/Palmar at points so this team has been really bussy.
Glad to see your a bit defensive when I haven't even really focused on you or trfel this night
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and palmar did bus rayn some this gam as well so that points kind of moot just from a general over view and was pushing on LS before he fell back on that.
And left you alone before your CC and palmar got back on you then hammered bm *shrug*
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On April 04 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote:
Rayn threw away his bussing meta with XXX, and bussed the hell out of LS. It is not that far out that he could potentially bus you when nobody was going to vote you.
Palmar you do have a point on. I still need to check his push out etc.,
Also everyone bus'd the hell out of LS, and Rayn/Palmar at points so this team has been really bussy.
Glad to see your a bit defensive when I haven't even really focused on you or trfel this night
it's mylo, we have a bunch of confirmed townies and you're making chaos.
Yes I'm making sure that stops. We're not lynching into Artanis/Sicklucker/Trfel/myself
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On April 04 2015 23:36 Damdred wrote:
and palmar did bus rayn some this gam as well so that points kind of moot just from a general over view and was pushing on LS before he fell back on that.
And left you alone before your CC and palmar got back on you then hammered bm *shrug*
not realy, we already looked at it and found out that it was the most shallow scumread ever. He never was willing to put his vote were his mouth was. Never really explained his scumread on rayn. He just casually mentioned him as scum and nothing else.
That's in stark contrast to Palmar and Rayn going after me and trying to get BM in the last seconds of d1 to get a repeat of d1 with Vivax vs Toad lynch on d2.
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I'm not making any chaos at all I've talked about FF and Oneg exclusively, with an offhand comment followed by a laugh and back to talking about Oneg and FF.
Your right we won't lynch into Artanis/Sicklurker ever. There are to many blues in this game with the orb even being a neutral factor.
I can just go back to afking I really don't care, I am putting in work trying to make sure we win and you are shitting all over me for no reason.
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Last time I was "shitting on you for no reason" it turned out to have a reason behind it as well and you wasted my time as well as everyone elses by making you look into stuff that you should have just done from the start.
But hey, you forgot that too, right?
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Oh yea then tell me this magical reason for shitting on me here when I have been putting in work talking about FF and Oneg so much.
Go ahead, explain it why you are a colossal dick
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I wasn't shitting on you for that. I'm telling you that we're not lynching into Artanis/Sicklucker/Trfel/Toad because two out of the possible lynches we have mentioned how it's probably between Trfel/Toad lately.
I'm telling you because like yesterday with that thing with the orb chances are you are just misguided and I actually think it's important to get that into peoples head if you're town. And you're the best looking out of the three. That's why I'm ignoring it on Onegu because I think its FF > Onegu > Damdred in scumminess for me and just can't be bothered about it from him.
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I'll make sure to make some post before EoN with my thoughts and shit. I kinda don't want to share them atm to wifom scum tho.
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I dont' want to lynch into you art sl trfel today at all. If theres two mafia in that group we are going to lose no matter what, if SL shot Palmar or exo shot palmar and didn't claim it we are screwed and i'm ok with that. If its you and trfel we are screwed and I don't believe it either way.
But I find it highly unlikely currently that the final two lynches are both mafia in FF and Oneg. I highly suspect that FF is scum in this case over Oneg and its my duty to continue to press things even if people feel its been covered enough. As such just indulge me if you are town.
Explain to me Toad why you are alive and why Trfel is alive. I find it harder that trfel is alive though just fyi.
Also take me through yoru thoughts toad about hwo you were voting on Ritoky with me nearing EoD when we were lynching Breshke I believe and you came back made everyone move and then nothing came of it.
I know I've talked balance a lot and I keep going back and forth because I really do feel like town has effectively to many self confirming roles at this point in the game.
Two vigilantes aren't possible, two somewhat nerf'd vigilantes are possible. I kept going back and forth inside myself thinking about this, and I kept looking at Fanfiction which had two vigilantes but they were nerf'd. They had to wait till night two before they could shoot which meant they couldn't claim and they had to live through 2 days, it was offset with they didn't lose there shot when RB.
Here we have two Vigilantes who are also somewhat nerf'd, they can shoot n1 but they totally lose there shot if they are rb. And I think that's th nerf that makes it possible. They have to remain hidden and make the shot count.
I think I mostly don't trust we have a JK and a Vet in the same game when town has the potential to have another RB/Tracker/KP/Cop in the orb. It just seems way to town favored.
I mean if both Vigilantees are real and hit scum and the scum team gets RB by RS or target saved and hit the vet or orb does something weird scum team is completely dead
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On April 04 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote:
@Oneg and anyone. Where did your rayn soul read come from this game? I remember you saying you had to read rayn then all of a sudden its there so what changed your mind on rayn
It came from him fakeclaiming to "catch" me a few games ago. Also yelling at me for bussing his partners when he bussed dead mafia hard here
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Two things.
1. I believe that 15 vs 5 is considered scum favored, so town likel would have more power roles to compensate.
2. No offense to Half the Sky, but she isn't known for making particularly balanced setups.
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On April 04 2015 13:47 Damdred wrote:
Also those ls quotes kinda make me want to townread ls, I'm pretty sure ls is a super bussy player he would know the claim by oneg is fake and he seems to really think that hf is mason which is kind of obvious
ls is a bussy mafia. He was the only member of the mafia team I didnt cal out in jack of all trades mostly because he bussed them all.
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