EPTTL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy - Page 23
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On March 22 2015 23:59 Damdred wrote: Don't ignore my question please vivax. Why ff, Read his case on LS, the timing, and the followup. VE mentioned something about his play seeming less spastic than town FF and I agree it looks different, plus the PoE. | ||
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On March 23 2015 00:09 Damdred wrote: Yea this aligns with how town ff has played recently though. So vivax you think we have masons, vig, tracker, cop and jk? One vig. Toad is mafia. The scum godfather is track- and check-immune. Also I'm still evaluating whether rayn is making a play here, so I wouldn't put it past him to rescind the claim. | ||
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On March 23 2015 00:14 Palmar wrote: From a different game: Not quite what happened but I do love the fact that at the first sign of trouble he admitted mafia. I actually have a brilliant idea for future games  ##vote Lightningstrike Don't get why you only comment on the obvious. What's your guess for the entire team? | ||
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On March 23 2015 00:30 rsoultin wrote: like in all honesty what should happen there if all these players are town is: RB town vig (vivax) kill claimed tracker (rayn) kill one of the masons (hf/onegu) can argue that night actions are wifom and i generally agree but i mean...removing confirmed towns and threats just makes way more sense than yoloing it on a lark I'm pretty sure scum believed the mason claim or they wouldn't have shot HF, ie Onegu very unlikely to be mafia and likely to have been shot as well. Speculative but whatever. It really is just speculation and I'd like if other people went more to the standard scumhunting instead of just talking about the claims. | ||
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On March 23 2015 00:48 rsoultin wrote: what exactly about onegu is townie other than his mason claim which changes with the breeze? I have no idea and will just trust HF on this. | ||
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You may think highly of your play but straight out ignoring so many people with probably more experience than you is really stupid. At the very least if you are a supporter of that position it is your task to find arguments for it instead of lazily putting him into a list cause activity. I still have to see an argument that goes beyond "he's active or trying to solve the game" whereas multiple arguments for him being mafia have been presented from the aforementioned players. | ||
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I'm wondering if people even read. | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:00 rsoultin wrote: why is he scum to y'all again? can you make it succinct please? No, enough clutter. Read the game, mafia isn't babyfood to be spoonfed to lazy people, you actually have to dig and find the scum nuggets. Or listen to the right people. THe constant denial to do it for yourself and request to let others do the work for you is awful town play. Did you even read what confirmed dead townies wrote? | ||
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So I do sound quite angry for that. And it's the same reason why I'd understand rayn being mad and not even trying when he doesn't have to. It's the clash of differing playstyles, and I prefer analysis based play and get mad at people when they don't counter your analysis with more analysis but go like "meh, don't think so cause I feel like it". | ||
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Cause working with you isn't the same as working for you, I did my work on the Artanis part. I read him, I read HF, I read VE, I read rayn and their opinions on him. Everyone else is letting him slide for lazy reasons, and these are the guys I trust the most given that we know each other's plays being here for years. So I kindly ask you to read what HF and VE wrote on Artanis, cause if you can't trust me or rayn at least you can trust me. | ||
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and me ofc, but I figure you'd be more prone to listen to HF and VE? | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote: Dead townies doesn't mean correct brownies sadly and honestly vivax in a almost 250 page game on the start of d2.... it might be advantageous of you to post the case again instead of complaining of spoon feeding people. Like seriously you didn't even read my big post vivax when I did it and you complain about rd not digging that's kinda frustrating to me I read it today. It's what made me go heavier on the vote analysis in regards to Toad -.- | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:29 rsoultin wrote: lol, i really don't see the problem with putting it in one place, succinctly, over me going back through five filters to find it, but if it bugs you that much, whatever (i wasn't asking you, btw, because i ever intended to accept what you were saying blindly >< i fact-check things. it's how i work with others' reads/cases. just ask damdy. i always fact-check his cases even when people go omg! sheep time) regardless i don't think it's worth arguing about. i'm not sure why you're so pissed at me right now, anyway? it's kinda unnecessary Pissed isn't exactly the word, I was just honest about my opinion on how the game should be played and why I think you're doing it wrong, and then suggested what to read. I figured I thought I was more constructive than how it actually came over? Okay, let's go into more concrete examples then. On March 22 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote: i really just want you to shoot artanis for this post plz On March 22 2015 05:13 Holyflare wrote: you mean like the last game where rayn afk tunneled on 1 guy the entirety of day 1 as town????? i don't believe you On March 22 2015 05:32 Holyflare wrote: if you think toad is town and i presume you think vivax is town because you didn't scum read him in your host wifom then why on earth was rayn in your list when he was on the bm lynch????? So can anyone tell me why HF is making wrong points on Artanis here? | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote: Also vivax if toad flips town, how does that influence this He won't. He included LS in his scumlist just cause. He ignored my LS arguments which were more than what he delivered which was a feels soup. If you actually read what he posted afterwards (after his big read post "and I still have to read 25 pages") you will see that his LS scumread was posted for the sake of distancing and not cause he meant it. Or he would have considered that I scumread him too, and my reasons for scumreading him before making me his main scumread based on something that made me look like I was misrepresenting people. Or he would have at least tried to discuss his lynch. He didn't. LS is nowhere to see afterwards. | ||
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- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn. - It's possible RNG made it that way. Can you tell me how these two mesh? | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote: i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. | ||
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