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On March 25 2015 13:23 Eden1892 wrote:
already answered, ok.
So why do you believe all that? Your entire basis for your ritoky AND Onegu reads is the idea that mafia rb'd and shot Vivax. What is the basis for that idea? I do agree that I don't think reading super heavily into the Night 1 kills is a great idea. There are too many uncertainties, question marks, and unknowns.
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On March 25 2015 13:25 Superbia wrote:
The basis is Artanis' flip on Vivax on EoN1 from scum to town. Which is completely unjustified. I believe this is mafia setting up for a night town flip. See, I don't think it's completely unjustified. Vivax's play was a bit lackluster leading up to his claim, but after the Bill Murray lynch, Vivax looked extremely townie.
Maybe part of it is I sheeped Artanis throughout his thinking here. And if he's scum, I look really, really stupid.
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On March 25 2015 13:24 Trfel wrote:
Do note that I think Artanis always uses fluid reads. And he's perfectly happy to base his strongest reads off of a single event (such as switching Toadesstern from scum to guaranteed town based on counterclaiming vigilante). I can see this from town!Artanis[Xp]. Superbia, thoughts on this? If you don't believe it, I think can support it easily.
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On March 25 2015 13:29 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm not sure yet that he's a better lynch than other people in my pile.
Although Superbia is doing a good job of getting himself off the list... Eden, now that ritoky and Onegu have claimed VT...
What do you think about the game's power role balance?
2 vigilantes
1 jailkeeper
1 cop
Is that fair for a 15 town vs 5 scum game?
Thanks!
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On March 25 2015 13:32 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 13:29 Trfel wrote:On March 25 2015 13:25 Superbia wrote:
The basis is Artanis' flip on Vivax on EoN1 from scum to town. Which is completely unjustified. I believe this is mafia setting up for a night town flip. See, I don't think it's completely unjustified. Vivax's play was a bit lackluster leading up to his claim, but after the Bill Murray lynch, Vivax looked extremely townie. Maybe part of it is I sheeped Artanis throughout his thinking here. And if he's scum, I look really, really stupid. He was confident enough in his scum read on Vivax to vote a possible town PR. How the hell does this change before Vivax's night actions go through. Like he's literally calling him town before flips, and then when Vivax claims being roleblocked, he hard reads him town based on filter-length. ???? I'll let Artanis answer for himself.
I've got to stop defending people for no reason. Sorry everyone.
Anyway, does anyone know off the top of their head what Holyflare's reads were by the time he died? Like, was mafia killing him because he's Holyflare, or did they want to shut him up desperately enough to hit Onegu and completely silence him?
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On March 25 2015 13:37 sicklucker wrote:
Yo catching up interesting things have happened anyone here I'm here.
Are you standing by that orb claim?
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On March 25 2015 13:38 sicklucker wrote:
Did either vegies claim a shot on palmer? Nope, and both have posted since then.
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Why did you ask if one of the vigilantes claimed the shot?
If you shot him, you shot him.
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Eden, am I right to trust you in this game?
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I just feel really terrible that I don't have a great grasp of what is happening this game. And that means I'm not playing at my highest level. And so I can't trust myself, I end up relying on others.
And the more the game goes on, the more I feel wholly responsible if we end up losing.
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I don't see why Onegu is town yet. The following assumes Onegu is mafia:
Choosing to fake mason with Holyflare makes sense. He gets basic towncredit, and it gives him room to rescind his mason claim later. This didn't affect mafia's night kill, if anything this would have affected Onegu's initial decision. It's not like Holyflare was going to let Onegu slide on a mason claim if it became detrimental to town anyway.
Basically, Onegu gets a little towncredit and gives him room to pull out of mason claims later in the game.
And I'm still worried about ritoky. I think his scumplay was extremely solid in Down Under 2. I don't see him doing anything so far that he couldn't do as scum. The only reason to townread him was Palmar being suspicious of raynpelikoneet, but apparently a lot of people were suspicious of him, so some pressure doesn't seem that unlikely. That said, I didn't read this part of the game.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
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Why is Alakaslam scum, again?
I still don't see it.
I actually have a toneread on him, and a meta read. I know, my tonereads are terrible.
The main problem is, since his push on Holyflare, he hasn't done very much. But he blames activity. Does inactivity ever keep town!Alakaslam from truly playing? I've never played with town!Alakaslam.
But I really feel he is town here, even if it's hard to explain.
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On March 25 2015 14:26 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 12:57 Onegu wrote:On March 25 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
But if Onegu is town, he knows that rsoultin just saved him. That or one of the vigilantes is lying.
If Onegu wasn't scumreading both of the vigilantes, this seems rather disconnected and suspicious. I was scum on both, a bit less on artanis because of the RB claim, but I was screaming toad was scum, what's your point here? Answer plz I don't really know my facts this game.
I'm saying, if this is what the facts are, here is a conclusion. You have claimed the opposite, thus my conclusion is invalid. I'm assuming someone will correct you if you are wrong here.
That's all. Thanks for answering, though.
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On March 25 2015 14:26 sicklucker wrote:
So mafia choose me orbing them over a check thats good info right there. And it might suggest supers town tbh because lets be real we all thought I was orbing him... Over a check? What do you mean?
Mafia probably roleblocked rsoultin to prevent the save from working. This means that they really wanted the cop, ExO_ dead, not that they weren't worried about your orb.
Plus, it's fair to assume that you tricked mafia and they didn't think you actually had the orb.
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On March 25 2015 14:29 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote:
I don't see why Onegu is town yet. The following assumes Onegu is mafia:
Choosing to fake mason with Holyflare makes sense. He gets basic towncredit, and it gives him room to rescind his mason claim later. This didn't affect mafia's night kill, if anything this would have affected Onegu's initial decision. It's not like Holyflare was going to let Onegu slide on a mason claim if it became detrimental to town anyway.
Basically, Onegu gets a little towncredit and gives him room to pull out of mason claims later in the game.
And I'm still worried about ritoky. I think his scumplay was extremely solid in Down Under 2. I don't see him doing anything so far that he couldn't do as scum. The only reason to townread him was Palmar being suspicious of raynpelikoneet, but apparently a lot of people were suspicious of him, so some pressure doesn't seem that unlikely. That said, I didn't read this part of the game.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. Why are you assuming I'm mafia? What are talking about NK? I really don't uderstand what you are saying about the NK part. That's how to play the game, look at how someone's plays make sense from a mafia perspective.... Ideally, the reasons that everyone's plays make sense from a town perspective are obvious.
What I'm saying is that if you are mafia, killing Holyflare really has no effect on your alignment being known. That's the point.
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On March 25 2015 14:34 Onegu wrote:
Did exo claim who he was checking during the 15 min? No, but there was no real reason to. If he died, who cares who he was checking?
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Sicklucker, Onegu already rescinded his mason claim....
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Sorry, can I get answers to these questions? Links to previous posts are fine. But I'd like fairly concise explanations.
Why is Alakaslam scum?
Why is Onegu town?
Why is ritoky town? (given how he crushed town as scum in Down Under 2)
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On March 25 2015 14:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote:On March 25 2015 14:29 Onegu wrote:On March 25 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote:
I don't see why Onegu is town yet. The following assumes Onegu is mafia:
Choosing to fake mason with Holyflare makes sense. He gets basic towncredit, and it gives him room to rescind his mason claim later. This didn't affect mafia's night kill, if anything this would have affected Onegu's initial decision. It's not like Holyflare was going to let Onegu slide on a mason claim if it became detrimental to town anyway.
Basically, Onegu gets a little towncredit and gives him room to pull out of mason claims later in the game.
And I'm still worried about ritoky. I think his scumplay was extremely solid in Down Under 2. I don't see him doing anything so far that he couldn't do as scum. The only reason to townread him was Palmar being suspicious of raynpelikoneet, but apparently a lot of people were suspicious of him, so some pressure doesn't seem that unlikely. That said, I didn't read this part of the game.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. Why are you assuming I'm mafia? What are talking about NK? I really don't uderstand what you are saying about the NK part. That's how to play the game, look at how someone's plays make sense from a mafia perspective.... Ideally, the reasons that everyone's plays make sense from a town perspective are obvious. What I'm saying is that if you are mafia, killing Holyflare really has no effect on your alignment being known. That's the point. here is the problem with that, why did HF claim to be my partner? I came to the conclusion as town that he was vet. If I was scum I would think the same thing and not shoot him. The fact he was shot and a KP missing points more toward scum believing I am town and scum believed the mason claims and shot us both. There was no reason for Holyflare not claiming mason partner with you. Before the game started, I actually considered plenty of ways to fake claim mason. Holyflare claiming mason with you had no downside, and had the benefit of being interesting and fun. I'm sure Holyflare had a lot of fun pretending to be mason with you. I don't see why Holyflare claiming mason makes him veteran. Though I suppose I can see mafia thinking this if they know Holyflare isn't actually a mason, but I would expect them to risk shooting him anyway.
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