Newbie Student Mafia VI

On February 22 2015 02:39 geript wrote:
I'm willing to take one for the team and coach the two most recent sign ups. They sound like names where they'd need the help.

On February 24 2015 09:14 Probulous wrote:


Hey Yamato, what's this mean?

On February 24 2015 09:25 Probulous wrote:


Thanks for not answering the question. Maybe I should rephrase what's it mean to you?

PS. BB are my initials so that is seriously creepy.

On February 24 2015 09:25 Snarfs wrote:


Okay, I see some other games with some of these other guys as well. And Tronak said already that it's his/her first mafia game ever so it looks like I'm covered in this regard, no need to continue down the rabbit hole.

Is this the point where someone proposes an RNG lynch?

On February 24 2015 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Have you been lurking all this time? If so I may just have to OMGUS you.

On February 24 2015 10:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Tormented do you have any reads yet?
Yamato can you explain your scum tone read on me?

On February 24 2015 09:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

This is a very townie first post. He instantly draws attention to himself, then draws even more attention to himself by replying to himself. I think he's town.

On February 24 2015 10:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Tone reads can still be explained. "X sounds like it's more likely to come from mafia than town because it seems to be too self-conscious/overly explicitly joking/quoted himself when no town player ever would."

Come on step it up m8

On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.

Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue

On February 24 2015 11:21 Snarfs wrote:

Reasons please?

On February 24 2015 11:29 Probulous wrote:


It's based on this.



As far as I can tell, the combination of calling Sicklucker town when he hasn't posted, and calling Yamato scum is what made him vote.

I quite like Tormented's posting so I disagree.

On February 24 2015 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Not in a good mood.
Yamato you're town right?
Can we run a train on scum, hopefully after I make an awesome read?

On February 24 2015 11:37 Probulous wrote:
These are good posts


Both actively looking for responses to try and out scum. Especially the first one picking up that Eden posted almost identically to how Damdred started (which I called out).

Positive intent.

Reasonable explanation to me.

On February 24 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Hts is scum btw I think.
Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough

On February 24 2015 11:44 WaveofShadow wrote:

Might have.
##vote: damdred

On February 24 2015 09:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
Probulous is right, no sense wasting what will almost definitely be a town lynch. Most day 1s I have been a part of provide some information, but I imagine on a forum like this one the information will either be much greater or much more hidden.

On February 24 2015 10:13 _Tormented_ wrote:



I would argue that there is a higher chance of lynching town if it is NOT random, but then you would lose out on any information. The theory behind this is that the mafia know each other and the town do not (on average). This leads to mafia not only have a numbers advantage in that there is a higher chance that town get lynched, but they will also work together to absolutely make sure one of their own do not die day one. Granted I am sure they screw up from time to time and do get lynched day 1, but to say that there is a higher chance of lynching town at random, I believe that to be false.

On February 24 2015 10:19 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol, well my post is wrong...at least in non newbie games on here.

On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:



Trying to out sarcasm damdred?

On February 24 2015 10:10 _Tormented_ wrote:


hmm yeah you were probably missing something critical for your success.

On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet.

On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.

Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue

On February 24 2015 11:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
Not to mention he completely avoids giving any reason for it

On February 24 2015 15:02 Snarfs wrote:
You have my sword, Yamato.

Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days?

On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were:



Now I think there's maybe something to it, but
a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument
b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction.

On February 24 2015 12:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
There is nothing in between these two posts to warrant him backing off.



Posturing of the worst and most obvious kind and I'm kinda sad I didn't pick up on it.

On February 25 2015 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
How do you feel about his case? Did it improve on yours at all? Do you feel. More convinced now?

On February 25 2015 07:51 KelsierSC wrote:


which game?

On February 25 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You're lessening a scumread on someone because someone you don't scumread but see as a "question mark" also scumreads him. I'd expect that from Vivax, but not you.

On February 25 2015 08:19 _Tormented_ wrote:


Anything I would say would be guess work at best at the moment honestly. Take that for what you will.

On February 25 2015 08:20 _Tormented_ wrote:


I would like to know why artanis is dead set on me and then jumps down your throat when you seem to waver.

On February 25 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Leaning mafia, but I think the case on Tormented is better.

Reading Cell right now I notice WoS bashing meta. I chuckled.

On February 25 2015 12:13 Probulous wrote:

I assume this is why the

am i missing something?

On February 25 2015 12:53 Probulous wrote:

I don't follow this logic at all. As far as I can tell KSC just wanted to see who would react, not that a reaction was alignment indicative?

Just cause someone replaces doesn't mean they are mafia. Regardless of previous games.
Just cause someone wants to lynch you and someone you think is green doesn't make them scum?

Does SL always play like this?

having 3-4 townreads and a couple of scumreads who are viable d1 lynches, per his filter

he's been one of the more active and involved posters in the thread

I'm not even sure I have as many reads as he does right now

On February 26 2015 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:

I might be cool with this. At the very least I like the post.

Who else is scummy yamato? A bunch of your reads are lining up with mine atm

On February 26 2015 04:54 Eden1892 wrote:
What the hell guys why are you letting yamato and Wave turn this onto Snarfs? These guys are people we're starting to circle and then they're like "yeah lynch snarfs he contradicted himself (because townies NEVER do that!!) once or twice lol!" and now everyone's talking about lynching Snarfs. We're not doing that. Come on.

Kelsier, sicklucker is town.
sicklucker, Kelsier is (probably) town. (Contradicting myself from earlier lol much scum!! But he's actually started getting involved and his lines of questioning make more sense to me. He's not today's lynch.)
Y'all stop and help me lynch Wave or yamato, prefs Wave.

I kinda get this Yoda Zen sense that Artanis might be mafia but I'm not even entertaining it seriously unless/until Wave flips scum.

On February 26 2015 05:05 Eden1892 wrote:
"Throwing dirt"?

Why don't you go ahead and call me mafia if you're gonna spin my arguments with half-baked suspicions like that?

On February 26 2015 05:12 Eden1892 wrote:

More half-baked suspicions. That all you got?

On February 25 2015 12:50 Eden1892 wrote:

It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility

On February 26 2015 05:38 Eden1892 wrote:

You're an experienced player, right? Because this is a pretty bad read on me, and it's making me think I should just lynch you if this is honestly the best you have.

I've substantiated my reasons for why I'm pushing the people I'm pushing. They have nothing to do with defending Snarfs. For you to call it a chainsaw defense requires you to prove that (a) I have an interest in defending Snarfs, and (b) my pushes are the result primarily or exclusively of that interest and cannot be in significant part for other reasons. You can't prove either of those, because I don't have any a priori interest in defending Snarfs, and I've already shown that I'm pushing people because I think they're mafia.

On February 25 2015 22:36 Eden1892 wrote:
Ah, one other thing about Wave. Earlier he said this:


Now he's voting Tronak for... what? Something that I'd pretty much to the letter call "'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play."

I'd almost rather lynch Wave over yamato. How about that? I like my arguments better for lynching him on further reflection.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: WaveofShadow

On February 26 2015 05:49 Eden1892 wrote:
Good job not even reading, yamato.

And now who's chainsaw-defending, huh? I just checked your filter, you literally haven't given a read on Wave all game long. Yet as soon as I start pushing Wave you literally make things up (I "don't have a case on Wave" even though I've posted it and quoted it here for you) and start shit flinging without even so much as voting for me.

On February 26 2015 05:51 Eden1892 wrote:

First of all, I never said that. I have him as not a lynch today, not "so townie." You obviously aren't even reading my filter, so let me quote the relevant part for you:

On February 26 2015 05:55 Eden1892 wrote:

Then why don't you have a halfway-coherent argument against it?

On February 26 2015 05:54 Eden1892 wrote:

This is fucking stupid. You say I have no case after obviously missing it in my filter, I post it again for you to read, your response is "he's town because reasons, also you're bad lol!"

Fuck you I hope we lynch you after Wave

On February 26 2015 05:59 Eden1892 wrote:

How is it pathetically weak and why do you disagree? I said it was a bad read, but it was a sincere one, which is what's more important. You don't lynch people for having bad reads, you lynch people for being mafia. Mafia can have good or bad reads. Town can have good or bad reads. The guy was handing out townreads for weak reasons, why would you do that as mafia when you didn't have to and it might be awkward to walk it back later to lynch the people you townread?

On February 24 2015 15:02 Snarfs wrote:
You have my sword, Yamato.

Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days?

On February 26 2015 06:02 Snarfs wrote:
Let's see... Wave parked a vote on me without actually calling me scum, Kelsier hasn't given a read on me and artanis hasn't given a read on me.

All that seems way more scummy than anything I've done.

On February 26 2015 06:13 Eden1892 wrote:

^c'mon guys, how is that not credible?

And holy shit yamato how are you voting this guy when he mindmelded with you on Tormented early in the game. He noticed the same thing you did and posted it at the same time. C'mon

On February 07 2013 08:44 Snarfs wrote:
All right, so here are my thoughts:

1) On VE:
My vote on VE was initially because of exactly what I said - of the three people that came into the conversation, he was the quickest to abandon it when things got heated. Now, he claims that he was commuting and I can't exactly dispute that.
But since then, I've had no reason to move my vote off of him. Look at the way he's saying things. Who is he even pressuring? Read through his filter and try to figure out who he's pushing. Palmar!? We're not lynching Palmar day 1, why waste time? As for the other people VE is "pressuring", there's no vindication. Phagga? Nope. yamato? Maybe, I can't really tell. When VE is town, he pushes people. He pushes them hard to determine their alignment and it's obvious he's pushing people. I think this is scum VE.

2) In response to Mr. Cheesecake:

I was just saying what was on my mind. I was hoping by adding the "but" part of things someone else who knew these players would chime in. There are a lot of new faces here for me, and I apologize for not making it more clear that I was looking for some input from someone else. Either way, the point I was getting across was that it was not scummy that they were arguing like that.

I was just answering the question that was asked.

Please read my first point and if this comment still stands feel free to rephrase it or ask again.

3) On Mocsta:
It looks like most of the votes on Mocsta are based on meta (correct me if I'm wrong, please: Oats, yamato, JX). Now, from the case that yamato makes, my biggest issue is that the tone between NMM XXXV (the referenced scum game) and this game is quite different. In the referenced game, he is quite unabrasive. He is questioning people but he's not actually showing any emotion, as in this game.
Compare:

vs.

Quote 1 sounds all nice and blendy in. Quote 2 is.. not. This meta argument is not convincing enough to sway me to change my vote.

On February 26 2015 06:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Yamato can you explain this process to me.

So your main scum read was Tormented right, who is voting on snarfs with you. Ok I can let that go if you have like a sudden reason to town read tormented.

Your reason to townread tormented is



Firstly is he reeally trying, I don't get that impression. I can't remember one decent thing he has done.
He even says.


This is not someone trying.

Furthermore you actually don't scum read him for his activity. You scum read him for his fluffy questions, and trying to blend in.




Can you explan this please

On February 26 2015 06:31 Probulous wrote:
Wave, can you just answer me why you are voting for Snarfs?

Your reasoning makes 0 sense, it's a blatant sheep as far as I can tell.

On February 26 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:

C'mon man, you don't get to call me bad over and over and then post the quotes and call it a "formula" without walking me through it like I'm five.

Which is to say I still don't follow.

On February 26 2015 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
It is a blatant sheep

On February 26 2015 06:51 KelsierSC wrote:
people are not voting SL and I don't know why

On February 26 2015 08:16 Probulous wrote:
##Vote WaveofShadow

Answer the question.

On February 26 2015 08:27 Probulous wrote:

I don't like a Snarfs lynch, he is active trying and willing to be wrong. Artanis is spammy as hell but so are others and he has been pushing his tormented case all game. He is at least active and trying to find scum.

Wave has done absolutely nothing all game despite being asked for it. Many times. He wasn't a lynch target so he just AFKs. Classic scum.

On February 26 2015 06:45 WaveofShadow wrote:

I do admit if I was scum I'd be laughing all da way to da bank, and I'm sure it's the same for you

We should try to get a time when we're on together so we can talk and get reads done and shit like we talked about

I'm not happy with my performance thus far

On February 26 2015 08:45 _Tormented_ wrote:


Out of curiosity, why are you trying so hard to save him? Do you feel that strongly about snarf?

On February 26 2015 08:48 Eden1892 wrote:

i... don't see what's alignment indicative about it? seems like you'd basically read it however you were already reading wave

On February 26 2015 08:52 Damdred wrote:
I wish if wasn't at work for this eod urg

On February 26 2015 08:52 The Shining wrote:


This is wifom. I don't like wifom defenses =/

On February 26 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote:
God... I don't know what to do that legacy post by staffs was good though

On February 26 2015 08:55 Damdred wrote:
Tell me why it was bad yamato

On February 26 2015 08:57 Eden1892 wrote:
lol at the fact that all the pro-wave people have is wifom

"he did it because he knew it would work" or he did it cause he's town geniuses

vote wave no one has refuted my glorious case

On February 26 2015 09:03 Damdred wrote:
Shooting Sl is the best idea. Which is what I would do if I was vig

On February 27 2015 14:58 The Shining wrote:


Why? I have reasons not to.

On February 27 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote:
I have some night actions to report later

On February 27 2015 15:45 sicklucker wrote:
Yamato quite one post where I softed asap It should be easy I want to see it in 2 minutes if you know where I softed.

On February 27 2015 15:46 The Shining wrote:
Weren't you scumming Eden? Why go for the no effort lynch in SL instead of actively pushing your scumread? You got REALLY defensive at EoD D1 over Wave's mislynch, which you seem to have known beforehand would be a mislynch. Of course, you really may have just read him in a way a majority of us didn't.

But now you come back to thread and you're still in this emotional, angry defensive state. Care to explain why?

On February 27 2015 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can't believe Mafia didn't shoot me, they're going to regret it.

On March 01 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Yeh so he was right on something else. That node is scum.

On March 01 2015 08:28 sicklucker wrote:
I think artanis is scum but if your just going to lynch ff or tormented tomorrow giving artanis an extra day is pretty smart since hes the more likely person to correctly convince you there town compared to the other players if hes acualy town.

On March 01 2015 08:29 KelsierSC wrote:
Well he isn't

This game lost all meaning when there was a replacement d2.

On March 01 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:
Playing the game so town?

He hasn't done a single thing I remember? Town reading him now is stupid abs thevonly reason I see is. Oh he's doing stuff. Well he is voting a towny so he's fucking mafia or stupid.

On March 01 2015 08:36 KelsierSC wrote:
Ufh

You are such an obnoxious cunt

On March 01 2015 08:38 _Tormented_ wrote:


i think he mentioned that he would be busy at this time because it is Sunday AM for him.

On March 01 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote:
If you are worrried about safety then we lynch ff because artanis does useful things as town .

On March 01 2015 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:
I gave my points on artanis already.

- raised good case on Yamato and tormented.
- went to trouble to town read wave but didn't sheep him
-dint bury sl when he had the chance
-didn't bury damdred when he had the chance.
- voted snarf when at the time that was the majority vote

Ff
-node was mafia
-damdred had node and he was killed , probably because he was right on node.
-.ff has done absolutely nothing and ends up voting me because "I smell mafia"
-

On March 01 2015 08:47 KelsierSC wrote:


You know this how?

On March 01 2015 08:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
KelsierSC - No reason for him to defend me at this point. It's highly unlikely I won't get lynched, plus the effort he's put in this game in general and his unwillingness to go for the easy mislynch makes it extremely unlikely to be scum.
Eden1892 - Has had a terrible day, but he's probably still town for the depth of his analysis on D1.
Tronak - Shenannies from me onto Fecal feels town. I think he genuinely thinks I'm mafia, and he's actively questioning everything to the point of me thinking it's impossible he's thinking up all these things as mafia.
The Shining - Similar reasons to Kelsier, but his lack of conviction in what he's trying might mean that he's simply trying to look good post flip.
Probulous - Has been pretty absent during the day, but the fact that he went for Fecal over me and didn't give in on the easy Artanis train gives him significant credit.
Yamato77 - I still think he's town, maybe? His EoD during D1 had a lot of conviction, but it's flowed away a bit again since then so meh. I also don't understand the evolution of his read on me at all today.
Snarfs - Snarfs is actually completely null to me right now. He seemed eager to actually engage me, is asking a lot of questions and in general his play has been good, but plenty of question marks from the early game still remain.
sicklucker - Has been pretty flipfloppy on me today. Don't know why he thinks I'm mafia.
FecalFeast - Seems more interested in painting everything as scummy than finding out who's actually scummy. For some reason suspects Tormented and me at the same time, then suddenly swaps onto Kelsier who has no chance of flipping. Trying to abdicate responsibility for his votes.
_Tormented_ - My filter should say enough about him.

Sorry for the poor performance, GL town.

On March 01 2015 09:40 Eden1892 wrote:
Game p. easy we lunch Yamato next will explain why after work

On March 01 2015 07:17 The Shining wrote:
OK, Tronak. The haste with which you switched your vote was just odd to me and the tone with which you just defended yourself seems...well, overly defensive. Did me telling you to read the thread that one time get to you that much? I mean, I did say in my last post that you were sheeping Prob onto FF. But you said you wouldn't move off of Artanis unless he showed he was town. You moved off of him so I needed to see if you thought Artanis was town or not. You moving off the wagon you claim to have started because he hasn't offered us anything to a guy who is here and doing something before EoD doesn't line up. And it might just be wording but "easily" being willing to switch off of your main wagon to another just doesn't fit the tone you've had regarding Artanis.

That being said, I really am thinking we should give Artanis a chance here. There are quite a few players who had much more content and posts D1 as opposed to now. Artanis, yamato, Snarfs, Kelsier are names that come to mind as driving forces D1 and almost non existent D2.

And if that is alignment indicative, I'm really bad at this game because there are four names there.

On March 02 2015 02:25 Eden1892 wrote:

Artanis being lynched was a pretty foregone conclusion imo. And it's a little odd to me that yamato was only vocal about lynching Artanis after it was. His vote goes on within 4 hrs of EOD and he doesn't start saying stuff like "we're killing Artanis today" until the last 40 or so minutes of the day. I am reasonably certain he is mafia

On March 02 2015 09:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
As far as Eden vs Yamato. I read through all of Yamato's scum games and I just don't think this is one of them. He rarely if ever conflicted his other team mates d1 and on here he got into it with artanis. Would artanis even go to the trouble of adding to yamato's posted evidence and voting me and then turning on yamato? This just seems to me to be too unlike scum actions.

Eden I am wary of because of the way he has diverted attention from himself pretty much any time it has come up. The fact he is still alive is suspicious in and of itself. Would mafia kill snarf over eden? Eden did question artanis on his reasoning for voting snarf and then immediately voted for him on D2. That could be a very well run bus or just a good lynch.

In conclusion, I do believe yamato is more than likely town, but if he does nothing today to help his case today I will understand a lynch on him. Eden remains null to me at the moment. Something just doesn't sit right about his posting, but I can't explain it enough to even try and lynch him right now.

I would much rather look at either Prob or FF for the lynch today.

On March 02 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote:
As for where I'm at, I'm pretty convinced the refusals to play has at least 1 scum in it. Yamato and Kelsier.

Yamato did absolutely nothing to help himself or town D2 leading up to EoD, then slaps a vote on Artanis. The interaction between them early seems odd after Artie's flip, too. If yamato doesn't show up today and actively play and help town, he is my choice for scum.

Kels was a replacement that has been replaced and hid behind the excuse of a D2 replacement being his reasoning for not playing. I find that very weak and a cop out, as a even a newbie like me has dealt with a D2 and D3 replacement in the same slot and worked through it.

I'm lynching either yamato or Kelsier slot depending on actions today and my rereads tonight.

On February 28 2015 21:04 Probulous wrote:
OK, sorry for the lack of posting. Weekend mafia is tough, especially when House of Cards Season 3 drops

First off, welcome to Shit-Samwich. Secondly
##Vote: FecalFeast

I had my suspicions about Node and his replacement is no better. Besides not reading the thread he is simply asking for reads and misrepresenting reality. His first action was dishonest. Note

Followed by

If you were skimming the thread, the first thing you notice is who was up for a lynch on Day 1. He knows that Snarfs is looking town to most people now because of the way is the lynch went down but he asks the question to appear ignorant.I mean why did he pick Snarfs anyway? My only conclusion is he saw the vote tally and thought Snarfs was a good person to start on because of the way the voting went but he tries to present it as if he is starting from scratch. You know, make the most of being a replacement. Lying is probably too harsh but it is definitely misrepresentation.


This is even more bull-shit if you follow the above. It like seriously linked in the OP. Followed by this

If he even bothered to look at the vote tally he just posted he would know that Yamato was never a serious lynch contender. Artanis voted for him really early but I think that was it. Again, he is misrepresenting what happened in this game. SL voted like an idiot because perhaps he is one, I don't know, but a simple reading of the hour before the lynch would show you his reasons. These questions are not simply questions someone asks when they are trying to understand the game, they are questions someone asks when they want to appear to have no clue what is going on.

There is a difference between trying but missing things, and just being lazy. Node looked like scum but I gave him the benefit of the doubt in-case life got in the way his replacement is trying to use that leniency to skate bye.

On February 28 2015 21:42 Probulous wrote:
OK, I had a town read on Art Day 1 because he was active and actually tried to scum-hunt. Also looking back, he was also one of the few (not sure if there was anyone else actually) who attempted to pick apart Eden's case on Wave.

Another really nice interaction was when KSc though Art had caught Damred out, Art was certainly pushing Dam but instead of inflaiming KSc's suspicions he responds thusly

We now know Damred was town. Sure as scum he could have done the same thing, but why? Why not let Dam defend himself from these accusations? I mean if he didn't hose it down KSc might have taken it further? I don't know if he would have but I really like this interaction. As town there is obviously motivation to make things clear.

My biggest issue with Art is that he picked a newb as a target Day 1 and hasn't ever let up. Sure Tormented may be scum but tunneling this long without really going after someone else suggests a nice excuse to not actually participate.
Damred's point are useful as well

I'd lynch Art if that is the way that we are going today but I think FF is a better bet.

On March 01 2015 07:17 The Shining wrote:
OK, Tronak. The haste with which you switched your vote was just odd to me and the tone with which you just defended yourself seems...well, overly defensive. Did me telling you to read the thread that one time get to you that much? I mean, I did say in my last post that you were sheeping Prob onto FF. But you said you wouldn't move off of Artanis unless he showed he was town. You moved off of him so I needed to see if you thought Artanis was town or not. You moving off the wagon you claim to have started because he hasn't offered us anything to a guy who is here and doing something before EoD doesn't line up. And it might just be wording but "easily" being willing to switch off of your main wagon to another just doesn't fit the tone you've had regarding Artanis.

That being said, I really am thinking we should give Artanis a chance here. There are quite a few players who had much more content and posts D1 as opposed to now. Artanis, yamato, Snarfs, Kelsier are names that come to mind as driving forces D1 and almost non existent D2.

And if that is alignment indicative, I'm really bad at this game because there are four names there.

On March 01 2015 08:01 The Shining wrote:
I didn't realize you had to stick with your initial reads the entire game and not actively analyze and reassess things.

Like the fact that Yamato shows up after his Artanis pls BS and votes him. Looking objectively at his filter, he hasn't given us a damn thing since EoD and its fucking frustrating. But I'm getting out of my tunnel. He really thought Wave was town. I could see his anger and detachment from the game as being real and authentic once I get over my anger over him not being willing to play. It makes sense and his willingness to still come back and vote Artanis after implying he didn't do what he said he would shows at least a slight investment in this game still.

I'm notorious for shit D1 reads. Another of many reasons I hate D1. Right now, I'm inclined to think I'm wrong on both of my reads(Artanis/Yamato) and could be taken for a run by scum, but I don't have any reads to make this anything more than a tinfoil theory.

In other words, I believe Artanis could be scummy but, like Tronak, could understand his flu excuse being a horrible one to get thrown onto his scum meta, as well as it being a genuine excuse. And another 72 hours of Artanis playing like this would only make it easier to decide on. And if I scum him off of D2 activity alone, I go back to Yamato and Kels and you to a lesser extent showing a lack of activity that wasn't there D1.

Eden, the speed of the wagon matters because I maintain that Town deciding lynches early in a Day and not analyzing or thinking things through gives scum a free pass for 48 hours. And wouldn't you know it, the content on D1 and N1 is almost 3x the content of D2. So I have evidence to back that statement up.

Also, when a wagon like that picks up that much traction that fast and no one stops to go, "Hey could this guy actually be town? Why or why not?", in my short experience, it ends up leading to a mislynch.

On March 02 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote:
As for where I'm at, I'm pretty convinced the refusals to play has at least 1 scum in it. Yamato and Kelsier.

Yamato did absolutely nothing to help himself or town D2 leading up to EoD, then slaps a vote on Artanis. The interaction between them early seems odd after Artie's flip, too. If yamato doesn't show up today and actively play and help town, he is my choice for scum.

Kels was a replacement that has been replaced and hid behind the excuse of a D2 replacement being his reasoning for not playing. I find that very weak and a cop out, as a even a newbie like me has dealt with a D2 and D3 replacement in the same slot and worked through it.

I'm lynching either yamato or Kelsier slot depending on actions today and my rereads tonight.

On March 01 2015 08:33 rsoultin wrote:

Vote Count

Artanis[Xp] (6): Eden1892, _Tormented_, Snarfs, sicklucker, Yamato77, Tronak
fecalfeast (3): KelsierSC, Probulous, The Shining
_Tormented_ (1): Artanis[Xp]
KelsierSC (1): fecalfeast

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Artanis[Xp] is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

On March 02 2015 15:31 The Shining wrote:
That is what happens when I try to get you to play and post and interact with me numerous times and you don't. Maybe if you had responded to me throughout one of your Artanis Plz or headdesk posts, I'd have something to go off of with you.

I can't believe I had to pull teeth and whine all over the thread to get you to do WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING AS TOWN ANYWAY. Took me fucking scumming you and changing my stance on you to get you to play, GJ. I reassessed my read on you and you still couldn't be bothered to contribute or interact with me until I scummed you again.

Meh, you've been angry and emotionally driven concerning me. Talk to me about me once you're willing to look at things objectively, not "he's scumming me so now I'm going to spin his posts to look scum.". I'll also ignore the fact that you meeeeehhhh Probulous but don't address the fact I'm scumming him. Srsly, get out of your tunnel.

On March 02 2015 15:53 The Shining wrote:
So your Eden read basically just flew out the window. Your other scum was Snarfs, dead confirmed VT now.

Now it is me and Probulous. Funny how yesterday you made sure to mention "Prob was no one's top lynch."

You see how there's no progression from one point to the next? You're taking posts instead of reading filters and context and just hammering scum reads. That's why I don't think interacting with the thread is meaningless. I don't scum you if I can actually see where and how you drop reads and move onto the next.

And your last few posts are actually pretty townie. They'd probably be moreso if you didn't wait a full day and night phase to do so, though.

On March 03 2015 09:30 Eden1892 wrote:
in fact i'd say it's pretty useful to be able to bluehunt as town b/c it increases your ability to evaluate role claims and read people who are "trying to be scummy so they won't be nightkilled"

On March 04 2015 08:33 Probulous wrote:
Hi guys. Really sorry about my absence. I'm just seriously busy.

I can't stay long and haven't read up on the thread. I'm not a blue, just a regular VT. Mis-lynching today is not the end of the world.

##Vote FecalFeast

On March 04 2015 11:15 Fecalfeast wrote:

True enough but I've not seen a game where his teammates couldn't do it for him.

On March 09 2015 16:42 Tronak wrote:
And doesnt Shining seem town too? why would he jump 2nd in Probolous wagon when we lynched him if he wasnt?

On March 10 2015 13:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
did you ever answer me yamato?

On March 10 2015 16:26 sicklucker wrote:
Tronaks super long case on a mislynch has him like pretty lock town. I dont think a first time mafia would ever make a case so long. First time mafias are nervous as hell you remember my first mafia game ff? If hes this good as mafia in his first game hes gonna be a star and ill accept the loss

FF - I tricked him hes town. Like mafias not gonna lose a potential mislynch. ( I know he only wavered for a second but he wavered)

The mafia is yamato ill bring more tomorrow its late.

On March 10 2015 16:47 sicklucker wrote:
Like day 1 I tried to take a bullet sooooooooooo hard. Eden townread me for it ( he only thought I could be scum after I said I was not the cop)

Do you know what the job of a veteran is? its to get shot. I never get nked so my only option is to seem like a role. I softed like 200 times

On March 11 2015 10:26 sicklucker wrote:
Well no lynch sounds like a waste of time. Mafia wanted a no kill here he just shot me or didnt submit a kill. If we sleep it will repeat

On March 11 2015 14:13 sicklucker wrote:
My 5th or 6th time in arow rolling mafia with both my team mates giving up (AGAIN!WTF) needless to say I didnt put much effort and it showed

On March 15 2015 22:16 LightningStrike wrote:

This was Tronak's first time playing Mafia ever if I recalled from reading the thread. I think Yamato was confusing him with Tornmented lol.