EPTVII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... - Page 125
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rsoultin
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Damdred
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On February 18 2015 23:15 Half the Sky wrote: Going to look at VA's scum play in his most recent two games recorded in the database: You only shoot once (scum vigi) Guilty Mini (scum vanilla) If anyone knows of anything more recent than that, please post a link, or comment if you played in either of these two games. YOSO looks to be an April game, Guilty was in August. Cheers. I was in guilty hts. He ws a bit more serious and he had scum reads early without a ton fo explanation and afk'd his vote fake claimed etc., | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On February 18 2015 23:00 Half the Sky wrote: I also see BH finally has something other than RNG in making an actual scum argument against VA, so I'm going to check that out as well as a game in which VA actually was scum. He has thrown out nonsensical BS before as town so if I can highlight the key differences in a scum VA game this could go a long way. Also Rasputin, I conceded that LS was town way earlier than you are stating in your post. That was pretty darn early in the day I questioned LS on the Robik read, and LS maintains he's had the adequate exposure to FF though it might help if you LS, could give a specific rundown of the games. I know one of them was Carol which was a clusterfuck for all of us going into our first large normal and evaluating gameplay, but highlighting the mini normals should help. Still that wasn't even my biggest issue with him. Now that I think about he just playing like he did in Slytherin Idk why I didnt' catch on to that either fuck. He totes town for now. ##Unvote In Slytherin he did do a decent case on Lian but he was wrong on Lian being mafia but he did the same with me this game. Here was his Day 1 case on Lian: On February 09 2015 06:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Liancourt is scum list post with 1000 townreads early D1 and all he comments on is the read on him Dumb reason to townread someone and also his first presented read of the game. A tingly feeling So he doesn't have an opinion of his own on keir? That's weird because in his NEXT POST HE SAYS THIS: "You are current[sic] bleeding mafia" yet no vote or any real pressure to follow up a statement like that. I think I have a different definition of wagon but, what? Assuming you mean the two players who had 2 votes at the time of this post, what have you done to prove this? You haven't said one word about gobbledydook at this point and you came to the conclusion that keir is 'bleeding mafia' and have yet to vote. If you like both wagons why are you not on either? dumb townread followed up by more dumb townpoints which have been discussed already. Liancourt is just following thread discussion without bringing anything new to the table. He even admits to not having an opinion on keir, then follows it up with a definitive sounding read which he never acts upon or follows up. Then going on to say he likes the gobbledydook 'wagon' after literally not mentioning the guy at all? Mafia ##vote liancourt Now let's compare that to his case on me being Mafia: On February 17 2015 17:03 Fecalfeast wrote: This is a really dumb case and I'm not sure I've seen LS actually vote that early ina day before based on just an opening post. Almost looks forced. This isn't alignment indicative but, lol linking people games of other people without any input. I really hate this post. First off, he gives a bogus townread to eden/TP based on gif usage. Second, after he does what KSC asked him, he tacks on an irrelevant quote as if he was looking for posts in his filter to help him look towny The way this is worded makes me unhappy. If you already think slam is mafia for meta reasons and have evidence, why not post it? If you don't have meta evidence yet, why are you already saying it'll be a mafia case? BONUS CONSPIRACY THEORY This reaction looks genuine almost. As in, LS knows alaka isn't mafia and when he claims his first reaction instead of "LOL you are mafia" is "WTF 3 JKs??" as if he was upset about the balance. There are similarity on the fact that he called me and Lian Mafia but he was wrong on our alignments it just proves he trying to think in every which way on thing and if you guys want to filter dive FF in Slytherin here his filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=FecalFeast Someone slap in the head now please for forgetting how he made cases on people and being wrong on their alignments. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
YOSO is a Ver game, which he's expressed preference for as it's a super low post count game. So I could see him post insane (in comparison) as either alignment. Key differences I'm seeing there is he's actually quoting people in making arguments and arguing why certain people are better lynches than others, just more substantial arguments in general than I'm used to seeing him do. Then he complains when he's putting in too much work. Moved on to Guilty to remove that pro-Ver bias - might have to go to SMB mini and check that out too, but in guilty he's posting way more and his "reads" look again, more substantiated, posting style is different. Tried to do a day-by-day meta read, since most people defending him are based off a D1 jack all meta. On August 25 2014 09:39 Hapahauli wrote: As for Vayne, I've posted stuff on him before. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=70#1397 Him representing himself as "helpful" early on, generally looking like he's trying hard, then leaving his vote on Damdred is pretty bad. On August 25 2014 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote: VA So again, the heuristic for the most part goes, Lazy useless VA = town, tryhard VA = scum. He has muddled with this a little in a few later games but the most part I'm able to catch him out when it's needed. This time his town play seems to fit but I think as someone else may (or may not have?) pointed out, it looks as though he is actively and very obviously trying to muddle with his meta this time around by talking about himself and his activity: That might be the key constrast here to read VA as town D1 which I did. For D2, most so far, he's done jack all. I guess the question now is whether people here think he's muddling his meta or if there's a possibility he does jack all as scum. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On February 18 2015 23:13 Damdred wrote: I actually think rob is a good shot for scum i'm going through his filter now though post to come Between you and him I'd lynch you right now. So, impress me! | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I can't find a reason that Rayn is town currently, I read his filter last night and this morning to try to get a fresh perspective. There are a couple of red flags in his filter that pop up to me that make me uneasy and make me think that he could potentially be mafia. If you look at his filter you will find that he is not going about this game in the same way that he has in his past games as town. There is very little scum hunting to the extent that I am used to. Usually he sees something scummy and pushes it and the person until they either crack and gets them lynched or yells and screams and gets his person lynched. This is missing this game, look at slytern mafia which is his closest town game in which he had similar time restraints. He pushed his scum reads extremely hard and got his lynched day one and then pressed Sl until he cracked d2 and got him lynched. I don't see the same tenaciousness here. Hes lacking the real drive and impact in the game, hes a behind the scenes type guy in this game. He seems to have several scum reads in the game but drops them pretty quickly. He lacks his normal tunnel on people, for example he calls Palmar mafia at one point for a case on him but never revisits it to my eyes. He doesn't really push any of his scum reads and he is really lurky and back of the bus for Rayn. I think this guy is scum. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On February 18 2015 23:33 Palmar wrote: Between you and him I'd lynch you right now. So, impress me! Yea I posted about Rayn first i'll do Robik after another re read. His filter is horrible to go through. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
##Vote Rayn | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On February 18 2015 23:23 prplhz wrote: does anyone see anything indicating that rayn isn't scum? I already made one post way back why he is scum, and how he's overreaching, but someone also needs to comment from a meta standpoint on activity. For a veteran whose play I understand is highly praised as either alignment his reads are pretty shallow and Ras has already caught him once out for half-reading. In contrast, Palmar might also be sporadic but the reads and logic are clear. Slam made an argument earlier that Rayn is more readable than he presently is, so that gives me even more confidence that Rayn is scum. Prphlz, what do you think on Rayn trying to get you lynched for the reasons he stated? This is another indicator that he could be going for an easy lynch. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On February 18 2015 16:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote: prplhz I am going vote for purplehaze because he hasn't have done anything to even try to solve this game. He is just calling me and Palmar useless (like are we the only two people in this game?). But then his decision is i am mafia (which is wrong). On February 18 2015 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Meh... we should lynch prplhz as noone wants to kill hts anyways. That one is on you guys this game because she is mafia. Pretty shallow reads for someone of his calibre. Massive red flag folks. | ||
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Damdred
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
##Vote: raynpelikoneet | ||
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LightningStrike
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
He's calling FF town and his town reads (e.g. VA) are also "easy" reads. So those are more red flags. I'll read Slytherin especially as the time constraint issue is parallel to this one. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Rayn isn't pushing any reads, his scum reads are haphazard at best with no real follow up. His town reads are super easy to make and seem to come from nothing at points. This guy is mafia we should really kill him. Lunch time | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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