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On February 18 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know. But i don't have more time i do.
rsoultin also looks bad for her post on wanting to push two townies and ignoring the case on ff -- wgo, by her own definition se always wants to lynch. Even when ff is town.
Now suddenly she townreads him? How is that possible? I love how you can only half-read, rayn. I was voting for FF originally after reading HtS' case and doing my own filter-dive, and part of my reluctance is he always looks kinda scummy to me. 10 pages of filter, though. and lol @ you and VA being town. Even if you were town, how could you possibly know that VA was town, with that shit filter of his? Like, your biggest argument is he has a random lynch target he's not pushing? If there's a reason I should think that makes him town, please enlighten me, cause we look at that and come to opposite conclusions.
Tbh the last time I played with VA he rq'd as town at Day 1 when we were lynching him so I still kind of feeling bad for the guy for lynching him on Day 1 of that game (NYE Party).
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On February 18 2015 21:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 18 2015 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know. But i don't have more time i do.
rsoultin also looks bad for her post on wanting to push two townies and ignoring the case on ff -- wgo, by her own definition se always wants to lynch. Even when ff is town.
Now suddenly she townreads him? How is that possible? I love how you can only half-read, rayn. I was voting for FF originally after reading HtS' case and doing my own filter-dive, and part of my reluctance is he always looks kinda scummy to me. 10 pages of filter, though. and lol @ you and VA being town. Even if you were town, how could you possibly know that VA was town, with that shit filter of his? Like, your biggest argument is he has a random lynch target he's not pushing? If there's a reason I should think that makes him town, please enlighten me, cause we look at that and come to opposite conclusions. Tbh the last time I played with VA he rq'd as town at Day 1 when we were lynching him so I still kind of feeling bad for the guy for lynching him on Day 1 of that game (NYE Party).
Was he playing just like this, LS? Like he couldn't be bothered to give a shit even though he apparently had a strong scumread?
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On February 18 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 21:53 LightningStrike wrote:On February 18 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 18 2015 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know. But i don't have more time i do.
rsoultin also looks bad for her post on wanting to push two townies and ignoring the case on ff -- wgo, by her own definition se always wants to lynch. Even when ff is town.
Now suddenly she townreads him? How is that possible? I love how you can only half-read, rayn. I was voting for FF originally after reading HtS' case and doing my own filter-dive, and part of my reluctance is he always looks kinda scummy to me. 10 pages of filter, though. and lol @ you and VA being town. Even if you were town, how could you possibly know that VA was town, with that shit filter of his? Like, your biggest argument is he has a random lynch target he's not pushing? If there's a reason I should think that makes him town, please enlighten me, cause we look at that and come to opposite conclusions. Tbh the last time I played with VA he rq'd as town at Day 1 when we were lynching him so I still kind of feeling bad for the guy for lynching him on Day 1 of that game (NYE Party). Was he playing just like this, LS? Like he couldn't be bothered to give a shit even though he apparently had a strong scumread?
Well it was Day 1 and he didn't give shit and he didn't even have a scum read in that game at all on Day 1 and he didn't even vote in that game LOL.
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On February 18 2015 22:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 18 2015 21:53 LightningStrike wrote:On February 18 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 18 2015 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know. But i don't have more time i do.
rsoultin also looks bad for her post on wanting to push two townies and ignoring the case on ff -- wgo, by her own definition se always wants to lynch. Even when ff is town.
Now suddenly she townreads him? How is that possible? I love how you can only half-read, rayn. I was voting for FF originally after reading HtS' case and doing my own filter-dive, and part of my reluctance is he always looks kinda scummy to me. 10 pages of filter, though. and lol @ you and VA being town. Even if you were town, how could you possibly know that VA was town, with that shit filter of his? Like, your biggest argument is he has a random lynch target he's not pushing? If there's a reason I should think that makes him town, please enlighten me, cause we look at that and come to opposite conclusions. Tbh the last time I played with VA he rq'd as town at Day 1 when we were lynching him so I still kind of feeling bad for the guy for lynching him on Day 1 of that game (NYE Party). Was he playing just like this, LS? Like he couldn't be bothered to give a shit even though he apparently had a strong scumread? Well it was Day 1 and he didn't give shit and he didn't even have a scum read in that game at all on Day 1 and he didn't even vote in that game LOL.
Lol, sounds like you guys didn't have a terrible reason to lynch him, even if you were wrong. Well, maybe someone can tell me what makes VA so townie this game, cause I'm not seeing it, and I really don't think FF is scum.
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Regarding VA:
NYE: Didn't do jack all D1. I pushed his lynch (I was VT) and he was lynched D1, and he flipped VT.
Void: Didn't do jack all D1. I did NOT scumlist him based on meta. I was scum in Void, and he only sheeped someone else to getting me lynched D2. Other than that did jack all D2. Only after I got lynched, he did work starting N2 by reading my filter, etc. VA was mason in that game.
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Because VA is the person i am best at reading in mafia.
I already told why he is town. It happens every fucking game. People lynch va because "he isn't doing shit".
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Basically va needs a mafia flip to play. He doesn't give any fucks about the game until then.
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I also see BH finally has something other than RNG in making an actual scum argument against VA, so I'm going to check that out as well as a game in which VA actually was scum. He has thrown out nonsensical BS before as town so if I can highlight the key differences in a scum VA game this could go a long way.
Also Rasputin, I conceded that LS was town way earlier than you are stating in your post. That was pretty darn early in the day I questioned LS on the Robik read, and LS maintains he's had the adequate exposure to FF though it might help if you LS, could give a specific rundown of the games. I know one of them was Carol which was a clusterfuck for all of us going into our first large normal and evaluating gameplay, but highlighting the mini normals should help.
Still that wasn't even my biggest issue with him.
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On February 18 2015 23:00 Half the Sky wrote:
I also see BH finally has something other than RNG in making an actual scum argument against VA, so I'm going to check that out as well as a game in which VA actually was scum. He has thrown out nonsensical BS before as town so if I can highlight the key differences in a scum VA game this could go a long way.
Also Rasputin, I conceded that LS was town way earlier than you are stating in your post. That was pretty darn early in the day I questioned LS on the Robik read, and LS maintains he's had the adequate exposure to FF though it might help if you LS, could give a specific rundown of the games. I know one of them was Carol which was a clusterfuck for all of us going into our first large normal and evaluating gameplay, but highlighting the mini normals should help.
Still that wasn't even my biggest issue with him.
Is your biggest issue still that he had a different opinion on your case? Cause I thought his explanation for that was fine. I get different opinions on things when I reread all the time lol
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And i don't even know what robik has been doing since D1....
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On February 18 2015 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically va needs a mafia flip to play. He doesn't give any fucks about the game until then.
That may be true. Meh. So you don't think he's town; you just know he can't be read until there's a mafia flip? Do you mind actually naming a game he's been in that demonstrates this? Otherwise it's going to have to wait until I get home from work, cause I don't have the time to dig it up right now.
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On February 18 2015 23:04 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically va needs a mafia flip to play. He doesn't give any fucks about the game until then. That may be true. Meh. So you don't think he's town; you just know he can't be read until there's a mafia flip? Do you mind actually naming a game he's been in that demonstrates this? Otherwise it's going to have to wait until I get home from work, cause I don't have the time to dig it up right now.
I just named one Rasputin - Void. He did jack all until I flipped D2.
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I just keep passing out at night.
HTS idk if what you say is true he still did jack all in void after your flip to.
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On February 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Is your biggest issue still that he had a different opinion on your case? Cause I thought his explanation for that was fine. I get different opinions on things when I reread all the time lol
One of the two quotes you took I had the complete opposite opinion on when he was evaluating LS. LS stated a reason for his change in vote to BH and that was the counterclaim, which FF tried to scumread him for having a sudden change of opinion even though that opinion was substantiated by what I think is a critical event - a counterclaim. Also consider that LS (as I recall) commented on how long in advance of EoD BH claimed. Neither of us know BH's meta, so that comment is completely justified on his end to come to that conclusion for the voteswitch. I could highlight FF's thoughts on LS as a shit read if that quote was taken by itself but he had compiled multiple ideas/quotes on LS, so it obviously wasn't isolated.
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On February 18 2015 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i don't even know what robik has been doing since D1....
He's slowplaying a scumread on me.
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On February 18 2015 23:07 Damdred wrote:
I just keep passing out at night.
HTS idk if what you say is true he still did jack all in void after your flip to.
Then again, Void was a game where a lot of people just AFKed after my lynch in general. Could have been an outlier.
I'm going to take a look at 1-2 VA scum games and see if I can ferret out any key differences. Hold on...
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On February 18 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i don't even know what robik has been doing since D1.... He's slowplaying a scumread on me.
I actually think rob is a good shot for scum i'm going through his filter now though post to come
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Going to look at VA's scum play in his most recent two games recorded in the database:
You only shoot once (scum vigi)
Guilty Mini (scum vanilla)
If anyone knows of anything more recent than that, please post a link, or comment if you played in either of these two games. YOSO looks to be an April game, Guilty was in August.
Cheers.
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On February 18 2015 23:09 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Is your biggest issue still that he had a different opinion on your case? Cause I thought his explanation for that was fine. I get different opinions on things when I reread all the time lol One of the two quotes you took I had the complete opposite opinion on when he was evaluating LS. LS stated a reason for his change in vote to BH and that was the counterclaim, which FF tried to scumread him for having a sudden change of opinion even though that opinion was substantiated by what I think is a critical event - a counterclaim. Also consider that LS (as I recall) commented on how long in advance of EoD BH claimed. Neither of us know BH's meta, so that comment is completely justified on his end to come to that conclusion for the voteswitch. I could highlight FF's thoughts on LS as a shit read if that quote was taken by itself but he had compiled multiple ideas/quotes on LS, so it obviously wasn't isolated.
HtS, the read wasn't about a read flip, it was about FF's impression that LS was scumreading Eden at one point because he'd asked me what I thought of Eden. Which is not a crazy logic train (though faulty cause I'll ask people I'm reading any which way for reads on others who again I'm reading any which way to figure out what they're thinking). Still, I'm not seeing the scum in that thought process.
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