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On January 30 2015 15:19 Eden1892 wrote: /IN!!!!!! player list looks great On January 30 2015 10:16 Trfel wrote: /in Something doesn't make sense here. | ||
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I'm sorry, roleclaims is something I don't understand in the slightest. | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: GlowingBear hard claimed VT in Student V Day 1 which you just played. And the reason for that is to generate discussion. I'm not sure if that is Robik's intent here. If it is, then my talking about it is good. If it isn't, it would be nice to know the real reason for why he did this? I guess, I would think that feeding the mafia a free blue role (even if it is just a named VT) would not offset the benefits of his claim. In fact, I'm not really convinced that he is town. Should I be? | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: Because I'm really good at this game and if we lynch who I want to d1, we'll be down to 1 mafia in no time If you are this good at the game, can't you get us to follow you without claiming first? | ||
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Though to be fair, I often stay up so late that you guys go to sleep and wake back up and start posting before I finally sleep.... | ||
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How about the part where I said that I'm really slow? And the part where IEM is on right now? I'll get through the thread before I go to sleep. Just, that may be after everyone else has gone to sleep and woken up again. | ||
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On January 31 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote: More curious about the nonsense posting while you're "taking notes". No worries though truffle-bby...I'm not calling you scum. Yet.  I'm not going to be 100% serious. Shadowing Artanis showed me that there is a lot of room for fun in mafia, too. The serious stuff is coming, don't worry. | ||
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Surprised that rsoultin wasn't willing to read Eden1892's entire post. I guess it's late, and she wasn't expecting to need to play mafia, but rsoultin seems like the player who is willing to read every word of every post. I understand why Eden1892 says he doesn't want to play as mafia, and his town games are always so short. And posting that isn't just a rant, it's a really good way to seem scummy and not get nightkilled (unless the mafia team is full of complete jerks and they nightkill him in pure cruelty). I agreed with Holyflare a lot this game. The early pressure on Damdred, the pressure on sicklucker, and telling the other VTs not to claim. Sicklucker has been acting suspiciously this game, and I'm inclined to scumread him. But I've always had a ton of trouble reading sicklucker. Our playstyles are basically complete opposites, so I have a lot of trouble understanding what he is trying to do, and I often can't understand his logic. Basically, I don't expect town!sicklucker or mafia!sicklucker would be able to answer all of the questions asked to him in ways that would satisfy me. Hopefully sicklucker will get some time to talk about other parts of the thread more, so we can get a better read on him. I still don't like Robik's claim, and I don't think it makes him confirmed town. I asked a few times for an explanation, and no one really gave one, so I'll just ignore this for now. If it comes down to this in later stages of the game, I'll take another look. Roles, setup, and claims really aren't something I understand. I'll try to be much more active and helpful tomorrow. | ||
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On February 01 2015 03:05 Half the Sky wrote: One more point on Trfel. So Trfel, you don't understand claims coming out of Student Mafia where two people claimed, one claim of which brought you down. You came to me after Carol saying you liked my play at the end, where I claimed medic to save myself. People have also claimed VT in some of the games you have played. Basically you've had enough games where there's been many claims, or you have observed them. My conclusion here is that I don't find what you are saying believable. Ok, I have been in games where there are claims. I have seen claims occasionally used effectively. Sometimes, I know how to use claims. But in what I think are the majority of cases, I don't know how to use claims. I believe I've mentioned this in previous games, if necessary I can dig that up. I DID ask, pretty sure at least twice, for someone to explain Robik's claim to me. And no one did. My extreme lack of mafia experience (never having played in real life) makes me completely unconvinced that Robik is town based on this claim, and that is not going to change until someone explains this to me in a way that I can understand (or links me a guide of satisfactory quality, or whatever). Or maybe I will end up accepting it because if everyone else thinks it, it's probably right, even if I don't know why. But I don't see how I should be expected to come to a certain conclusion about something despite asking about it multiple times and receiving no answer. As for my previous post, I intended to convey that I am a little suspicious of Damdred and Robik and very suspicious of sicklucker. Yes, I put a few comments that didn't contain a read, but are you going to scumread Holyflare and Half the Sky for talking about London restaurants? I'm talking about stuff that I want to talk about because I think it's interesting, if you want to talk about it too, then it was a good thing I mentioned it. If you don't, no harm done. I really have no clue what to make of the Palmar lynch. I don't know that much about Palmar, other than his play is marked with laziness and he plays in bursts of effectiveness. Really, my stance on Palmar and sicklucker is similar right now. I am willing to lynch them and there is a good chance they are scum, but I don't feel there is much else to say about them. Therefore, I will look into other things for now, and decide on the best lynch closer to the deadline (which I think I will need to leave about 3 hours before.....). I just see no reason to push sicklucker or Palmar at this point, since there is nothing I could say about them that hasn't already been said. | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:03 Holyflare wrote: and also if it wasn't apparent my case on damdred was a complete joke  Of course. That doesn't mean I didn't like it. Not that I would sheep it or anything, but I liked that something happened, and I found it weird that Damdred started out by saying that the other named VT should claim, and then when he ran into light opposition, he took it back immediately. | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:13 Holyflare wrote: but what would you expect him to do when countered by so much logic? Take it back immediately. I think it's a little suspicious because that means that he either wasn't thinking very much when he asked for blues to claim (which is very bad, see KelsierSC and kushm4sta in Carol of the Bells...), he actually didn't really care if the blues claimed or not (in which case, asking them to claim seems really strange), or he is just a terrible player who rolled mafia (I think we can ignore this option). | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:34 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel are you not with the program? Sicklucker has 4 votes. And Palmar you aren't helping yourself doing jack all. Answer my questions please. What? This is simply false. Last vote count was 4 votes for sicklucker and 2 for Palmar. Then Holyflare unvoted sicklucker and voted Palmar (3 to 3), and I voted Palmar (4 to 3, Palmar leading the voting). Then I made the post in question. | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:37 marvellosity wrote: meanwhile let's kill the girl. the other one. Looking into it, I'll get back to you on this in a bit. And please, I use multiple tabs, so just because I'm looking into someone's filter doesn't mean that I won't be constantly checking the thread for new posts (mostly directed to rsoultin). | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:49 rsoultin wrote: Ya know, I do kinda get where y'all get the misconception that I'm always aggressive, but I actually need something hitting me in the face to want to chase after. I'm not seeing that. And I'm really not understanding where anyone else is seeing it, either. Not going to just RNG someone to tunnel to satisfy y'all's expectations of my "bulldog" reputation, thank you much. I still don't know why have (or at least think you have) a tunneling reputation. Your play seems fine to me. But you really aren't scumreading anyone at this point? | ||
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On February 01 2015 04:59 rsoultin wrote: Lol, it sounds bad and I should just throw out names to appease the masses, but I'm not seeing it. Your entrance has been better. Others are just question marks. I'm not certain about several people, including Damdred, SL and Robik...Palmar for me would be a policy lynch though the vets are calling it a meta read... But as for strong lynch them now scum, no. I want to believe you. I really do. I've felt the exact same way in the recent past. It was the game where I was mafia. | ||
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Very. Mostly it's just a conscience post, since I would feel pretty bad if town!rsoultin was lynched on Day 1 like this. | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:06 marvellosity wrote: what does "like this" mean, Trfel? Many pages of constant pressure and questions from a variety of players, including two of the best players on the site, with no defense at all. | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:08 rsoultin wrote: Friggin a. My reads of HTS have in general been independent of thread opinion, as I just pointed out. At the time I posted about her being boring her filter was entirely excuses and one list post she posted drunk. I am allowed to say that when she's being universally townread it probably is her scumgame, while still making my own read on her. When she returned to the thread I liked her pushes. This is wrong. Like Holyflare and marvellosity said (and also geript in his post-game analysis), apparently Half the Sky's scum play isn't all that good (no offense, it's still at least 1000x better than my own). She was townread in Newbie Mafia for being one of the only bastions of logic and reason in a game full of newbies. Her being scum was simply unthinkable when facing an ocean of unbelievably scummy players. Meanwhile, Half the Sky has a very capable town game, and she can get townread while being town, despite what you seem to have stated here. You can't possibly argue that your play was less boring and more useful than Half the Sky's play at the point where you posted the comment in question. | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:12 Holyflare wrote: if there's no defense at all why would you assume it's a town rsoul??????? I have considered the possibility of town!rsoultin. I would be mafia if I didn't. I can stand up to Holyflare's pressure when I some reasonable backing (in this case, right after I lead a scum lynch in Carol of the Bells). I expect that rsoultin could do the same. But pressure from Holyflare, marvellosity, and the entire rest of the thread? Given a weak start, I would be hard pressed to find a newbie who could adequately defend against that alone. Therefore, if she is town, some help in defense would give her some more breathing room to actually go do something. But I can't do that, since I don't see any reason to. Rsoultin's answers seem to have been getting worse ans worse. I guess I probably should let up on her for now, because her defense seems to be going nowhere, but she is definitely seeming scummy. Could lynch. | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:19 Half the Sky wrote: None taken, Trfel. I think my scum game is pretty terrible actually. Throw me in a pool of veterans and I will get caught out, end of. Ah, wait now... And that second part, I'd already mentioned, quite the double standard. How so? I could be misinterpreting what you are getting at, but I believe you are focusing soley on the last line of my post: "You can't possibly argue that your play was less boring and more useful than Half the Sky's play at the point where you posted the comment in question." In explanation, I reread Half the Sky's and rsoultin's filter up to that point, and Half the Sky's filter seemed more useful and interesting. And I don't see how rsoultin could possibly think or argue the opposite. I'm judging by the same standard. | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:25 Holyflare wrote: Yeh, there's the possibility that she's town but that's why we ask her more questions, I don't think they are unreasonable questions and the imaginary pressure shouldn't even be high if you're just defending your point of view? It's been like 20 minutes on her and it's really not as big as you're making it out to be. Questioning definitely isn't bad. They aren't unreasonable. I'm not saying to stop questioning her in the slightest. I guess to me, as both alignments, the pressure on me has always seemed higher than it really is. You guys can do whatever you want, but I think I will stop focusing on rsoultin for the moment (unless she gives me more reason to do so). I maintain that rsoultin's answers to the questions have been quite lacking. | ||
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On February 01 2015 05:29 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel, If you're a townie, and people are wrongly/incorrectly pressuring you, you do two things: 1 Defence/resolution of differences - ignoring questions will not let you get townread/neutrally read by proponents of your lynch 2 Propose alternate scumreads/alternative targets based on original thought of her own 3 If you suspect one of your lynch proponents is scum and has faulty logic in pushing you, you poke holes in that and use that person as the target In Student IV, I was getting wagoned to death by Damdred, Oats, etc. I survived by a sliver because Damdred did not get the vote in time. But Damdred and I had a clash regarding the use of meta - I disregarded it entirely as a new player and he contested that Kushmasta (the other wagon) was not scum. After fully and thoroughly explaining my thought process (he thought I was sheeping) on why I felt Kush was scum, he tried to keep the vote off me and eventually tried to lynch me with some regret (he flipped VT). Was my thinking flawed? Yes, Was it town-driven? Yes. That's what I'm driving at. I'm not seeing any such parallels here. I understand this. I've been pressured a lot in the past, and I'm actually quite comfortable with defending myself as town. Which is why I was willing to make a terrible post to potentially throw rsoultin a lifeline, which I don't feel that she accepted. I believe that your point is that you don't see rsoultin's defense as being town-driven, and I agree completely. | ||
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On February 01 2015 06:11 marvellosity wrote: also i am amazingly obviously town given the games i've had in the past couple months. hf is way, way more likely to be mafia than me (even though i don't think he is currently) Why do you think that Holyflare is town? | ||
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On February 01 2015 06:16 rsoultin wrote: Is there a reason for your paranoia beyond paranoia? I've seen a lot of games where a skilled player is mafia, and convinces everyone that they are town, and in a few days the best townies are dead and it is too late. See Eden1892 in New Year's Eve mafia, Artanis[Xp] in Imperial Mafia, DarthPunk in Student Mafia V, etc. For only being here a few months and not watching all of the games in that time, that is a lot of games. Add that to Holyflare and marvellosity both being capable of playing some of the best scum games on the site.... | ||
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On February 01 2015 06:22 Eden1892 wrote: Don't have a lot of time, some 30 hours or so of the first day is getting devoted to work and sleep instead of productive things like mafia :/ As it is I've got an hour, so. Highlights? Cliffs? Play-by-play? ESportsCenter Top 10? I think that sicklucker and Palmar are generally considered likely scum, and rsoultin not far behind. A few questions for Damdred when he gets back. Half the Sky got townread. I think that's about it? | ||
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Why do you want to kill Damdred? Just for the changes in his stance on Palmar as brought up by rsoultin? | ||
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On February 01 2015 06:57 marvellosity wrote: i'm feeling less confident in rsoultin and don't really know where to go with anything, so I'll probably just let other people do things for a while No, now I can't do my strategy of sheep marvellosity and Holyflare to victory. I guess it's probably time I actually did something, though. | ||
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On February 01 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote: Yes, please. You have yet to fulfill your rsoul anti-confirmation bias role in any of our games. Unless you're scum and just a lot better at hiding it this game. Then shut up. What does this mean? Sorry, I don't understand. | ||
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Scumreads please? | ||
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I'm not sure about Eden1892 and Damdred. Need some more stuff from them. | ||
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Sorry, I will go and re-evaluate my reads on rsoultin and sicklucker. | ||
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This game has too many lurkers. + Show Spoiler + And please, before you try to policy lynch me for going after lurkers, I'm still scumhunting and researching. And you can't deny that it's possible that all of the scum are lurkers, in my first game all of the scum lurked for basically the entire game. | ||
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Is marvellosity scum for wanting to lynch you? | ||
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On February 01 2015 09:41 sicklucker wrote: Actually people read me very well you might be the exception. Ive been town like 8 games now? I have never been misynched thats a pretty good track record. I post without thinking because people always read me right when I do it. + its very fun :D. It usualy takes people a day or 2 to come around tho. Which is why im a terrible day1 lynch On January 31 2015 07:53 sicklucker wrote: This is a absolutely terrible read. The only time ive rolled mafia mspaint. I froze up and had a 2-4 page filter day1. Dandred/chezina my mafia partners can verify this. I was super afraid to post early in that game. I want to scum read ff for it since he was in that game. But he just puts scum on me everygame and im always town. The one time I was mafia he actually laid off me. So basically, when you are scum, it is really obvious right away. But you are a bad Day 1 lynch because people scumread you for a few days before eventually deciding that you are town. You're going to have to give up one of these two claims. | ||
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On February 01 2015 09:43 rsoultin wrote: Truffle... Dude. Why are you so anxious about being lynched when no one is pushing you? Damdred says he thinks you're scum, but all he has about you is the post from way back before you reentered the thread. Why were you trying to half-ass defend me by saying no one was defending me when the thread was up my ass, yet after most of them seem to be okayish nah you can make a case against me now? What is the point even of talking about marv and HF possibly being scum together if you have no evidence to suggest that's the case beyond paranoia? Or even to suggest that one might be scum? Talking about policy lynching is dangerous. I'm fine with pressure, but I just included the spoiler to avoid stupid tunnels on me because I mentioned lurkers. Even if a competent player wouldn't tunnel me for that (at least, by my understanding of mafia), the spoiler provided a useful "just in case" way to make sure I don't get drawn out into a multi-page argument about this post. I'm not making a case against you. I'm looking through your filter and trying to see why you were being scumread in the first place, and I will take a second look at how you responded to the pressure. I'm going really slowly because I am doing it carefully this time, unlike before. | ||
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On February 01 2015 09:47 Holyflare wrote: why eden? Sicklucker, please answer this question. | ||
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You are aware that marvellosity is among the best scum players on this site? And that he is capable of not giving up right at the start of the game? See Imperial Mafia, Palmar was town and marvellosity was mafia in the same game, and marvellosity survived. Even with that aside, marvellosity would know if Palmar's reason is genuine or not, he is smart. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't give up and quit over a falsified scumread. And even ignoring that, it's obvious that Palmar hasn't been doing anything in this game. So why does it matter if he pressured marvellosity or not, when he is clearly not playing? The only thing that a Palmar lynch has going for it that a normal non-post policy lynch doesn't is that marvellosity seems confident that Palmar is mafia. | ||
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On February 01 2015 10:06 sicklucker wrote: Marvs shit scum dude. I have no idea how his winrate is so high. Hes beat me twice as scum and it wasint him that won the game it was his partner. Maybe hes good when he trys but thats rare. In pyp he gave up when he got a probe read the scum qt. He is definitely very good when he tries. By far the most important thing I said was the last paragraph. I will post it again for you. "And even ignoring that, it's obvious that Palmar hasn't been doing anything in this game. So why does it matter if he pressured marvellosity or not, when he is clearly not playing? The only thing that a Palmar lynch has going for it that a normal non-post policy lynch doesn't is that marvellosity seems confident that Palmar is mafia." So, why do you want to lynch Palmar again? | ||
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On February 01 2015 00:17 rsoultin wrote: Okay, HtS, I stand corrected. I like where your head is on your reads on me and FF. You get a town pass today. Rsoultin's stance on Half the Sky was off. It's been pointed out already why the stance is wrong, so I don't feel the need to do it again. I also didn't particularly like Half the Sky's read on FecalFeast. Then when rsoultin started getting questioned, she blew the first few questions off. I guess that's not completely out of character, but I don't really like it. And while I still really don't like the way she responded to the questioning, it seems mostly consistent throughout. And I really do like rsoultin's comments on Damdred's read progression on Palmar. On February 01 2015 05:43 rsoultin wrote: Earlier all you had were excuses and a post full of nullish reads again. I specifically said that you were trying to change your style, and I'd give you a chance to see if you picked it up. You did. I'm fine with you. This is the other weird quote from rsoultin. Before this, she said that I seemed suspicious, after this she said that I seemed suspicious. With the same reasons both times. But that's about all that I see. Nowhere near enough to make me want to lynch rsoultin, since she provided consistent explanations, even if I disagree with them. Therefore, I apologize for jumping on that wagon like I did without checking the support first. Marvellosity and Holyflare did a fine job of questioning, I didn't need to go yelling too. On a side note, I am really curious. Rsoultin, I've been a member of this forum for three years longer than you have. But you have nearly four times as many posts as me, and we played the same first game. How the heck did this happen? | ||
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On February 01 2015 10:49 rsoultin wrote: If there's a vig in this game he should be shot. Actually, a lot of people should be shot, but in all seriousness I don't understand what he's doing even more than I usually don't understand what he's doing. That he's the only one Palmar is actually fighting with could be significant, but Palmar's so frustratingly unreadable to me, too, I kind of just want to auto-block them -_- I see where you are coming from. Perhaps you can help me go through sicklucker's filter and together we can get an okay read on him? I'm trying, but I don't think I'm getting anywhere. | ||
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On January 31 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote: I SAID IT 9 TIMES THAT WAS A POLICY PRESURE NOT A POLICY VOTE. I pressured him he claimed town and we moved on Sicklucker, what are you trying to say here, in both of the quotes? "Last time I pressured marv he ragequit or something" "I pressured him he claimed town and we moved on" You refer to different games, right? But the way you say this, you never changed the subject, so it seems like you ought to be talking about the same game. Please explain what you are trying to say. | ||
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On February 01 2015 10:54 rsoultin wrote: Sure. Was there anything in particular that stood out to you? On January 31 2015 12:28 sicklucker wrote: Here he says that he doesn't want to pressure marvellosity and make him ragequit. But he has repeatedly said that he wants Palmar to pressure marvellosity because he will give up if he is mafia. I guess he is trying to say that Palmar's pressure will make marvellosity quit only when he is mafia, but sicklucker's pressure will make marvellosity quit as either alignment? I just have a lot of trouble understanding this, and that makes me wonder if his view on if and how marvellosity should be pressured was fabricated.Oh this post. You were not in the game but marvs scum strategy last game was the not post. So just him posting holds alot of value. Last time I pressured marv he ragequit or something. I dont really want to do that again hes a good player | ||
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On January 31 2015 09:33 sicklucker wrote: Like im confirmed town if you know ls's meta. The only scum read on me that makes sense is dandred and its just out of fear Also this, what the heck? Damdred is scared of something, so he scumreads sicklucker. And that makes sense? | ||
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I can't tell if sicklucker just missed Holyflare's posts (he did say that he ignores Holyflare, but huge pictures of salt shakers are kind of hard to miss), or if he was trying to make a scumread but not wanting to get attention from Holyflare. | ||
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On February 01 2015 11:05 sicklucker wrote: Keep me around and we can talk about all that stuff. I will prove im town like I always do. Im not sure how active ill be tomorrow because of the superbowl but im all yours tonight Any comments on the posts that rsoultin and I have made starting from the second to last post on Page 46? And yeah, you're right, I suppose that inactivity for the Super Bowl tomorrow is understandable. I'm the one who is going to miss the lynch deadline... which means I'd like to get a pretty good idea of who to vote tonight. | ||
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On February 01 2015 11:16 sicklucker wrote: Like whats your angel here. You know we both ment mafia instead of town.n. Its scummy Wait, you definitely said that you didn't want to pressure marvellosity because last time you did that, he gave up, and he was town. Did you mean to say scum there too? So you don't want to pressure him this game because last time it worked? I don't understand. | ||
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On February 01 2015 11:21 sicklucker wrote: That was more of a joke because he replaced out of that. And its an ongoing game. Literally all your qeustions are about an ongoing game stop it plz. Sorry, I didn't realize that I was talking about an ongoing game. I'm just trying to understand things that don't make sense to me. If that really is true, than you probably shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. | ||
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On February 01 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote: Well, if it makes you feel any better, SL, I don't see anything you're doing as being so much worse or different than all the other games I've played with you when you were town. Have to ask, though...what makes you think robik claiming named vt makes him town? He's got no presence in the thread whatsoever -_- despite crowing that we should follow his lead. Well, Hammertime mafia just ended, so we can talk about that now. Robik had a free hammer win in that game for a few hours, but didn't take it. I'm guessing that he ended up being really really busy today. | ||
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On February 01 2015 11:33 sicklucker wrote: Well there you go. Did mafia win that game? Yes, but the point is that IAmRobik probably just hasn't been online all day. I agree with rsoultin that it seems silly to lynch a claimed role on Day 1, even if it is just a named VT. | ||
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I'll be gone for a short while. | ||
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I guess, I think that the main thing Damdred has going for him is that his tone felt towny. And I liked how he said he was feeling good about this game. Though he hasn't delivered on that, so... | ||
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On February 01 2015 12:02 sicklucker wrote: Like everyone agreed with my eden read early on. Why the flipflop? If someone thinks im scum. But also thinks im mad because a townie outed his role Im going to think somethings up. Its a weak day1 read. But it is a solid read imo I don't remember anyone agreeing with your Eden1892 read. Quotes? | ||
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On February 01 2015 12:26 Half the Sky wrote: Sidenote: Is anyone here in thread atm? Anyone want to talk about anything off the cuff whilst I'm still trying to filter dive? I'm here, but I've been playing this game all day and am a bit tired. With IEM starting, I'm not sure how much effort I will put into this before I go to bed. Though I do want to take a closer look at Damdred before I go to bed. Again, I need to leave a few hours before the deadline tomorrow, so it would be nice to get some consensus on who we are lynching before then. | ||
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I would really like to hear more people's thoughts on sicklucker. I'm having a lot of trouble reading him. Damdred, can you explain your scumreads in more detail please? | ||
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On February 01 2015 12:46 Damdred wrote: Cause you guys are bad or scum not sure which tbh Just a little bit ago, you sounded pretty sure. Still no explanation of the rest of your reads? | ||
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On February 01 2015 12:50 Damdred wrote: Lynch tr after I flip town. already explained most of everyone You gave one-liners that I generally found questionable. Which is why I asked for more detailed explanations, since I have trouble believing the current reasons. | ||
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On February 01 2015 12:56 Damdred wrote: Nope re I think your scum gave more than one line you aren't reading. Eden is so-so hate the push on me generally being useless Yeah, you gave more than one line. Yesterday. A lot of stuff has happened since then. On January 31 2015 07:38 Damdred wrote: HF I'm glad I have a town read on you this early usually I am super suspicious of you But I like you so far. At work so will be hit and miss. Rob is obvious town, I'm a bit confused why people would defend me for setup talk. I think it's really scummy what I did partially, I am right in what I'm saying but set up is super safe to talk about so ff, Eden are on my radar and Sl is as well This is your old view on Holyflare. Then you changed it with the only explanation being something like "Holyflare isn't concerned with solving the game, just being right." Can you provide examples to support this? | ||
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On February 01 2015 13:01 Damdred wrote: Tr is admitting to NOT reading the game lynch them with fire And you are the one who is not commenting on the game. I'm going through your filter right now. Please, go ahead and dig your own grave. | ||
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On February 01 2015 13:10 Damdred wrote: I'm not marrying but the push on me is horrid, hf should know its bad and is just spectating and not leading. Trfrl is just sheeping onto something that is easish to push at this point and RS is tunneled. out of this RS is most likely town sadly. I'm not scumreading you. I'm looking at your filter in an attempt to discern your alignment. There is a difference. | ||
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On February 01 2015 13:19 Half the Sky wrote: Given the discussion on LS right now... Off the cuff, I'm getting the usual LS town read from what I've read of him so far. LS is someone however, that people do tend to scumread, sometimes as has been said he's not fully articulate and sometimes a scum player can take advantage of that (honestly, I did in Newbie LX...yeah I know LS even mentioned he's still bitter on that). Even in Carol, he was sheeping left, right, everywhere and the only reason he wasn't being scumread in that game was because he claimed a ghost fairly early on. So someone (not nec Damdred) scumreading him could be a potential red flag, maybe. Is there anyone scumreading him?? | ||
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On February 01 2015 13:25 Holyflare wrote: I literally think nothing anyone is talking about is relevant at the moment. Focus on SL and his inconsistent shit, I'm pretty sure he's mafia and he STILL hasn't acknowledged this at all: He actually did respond to this. On February 01 2015 12:04 sicklucker wrote: Like its a double standard. He cant think im scum and be mad at the same time. Idc what hf says I read eden for this not him. Eden was way more serious about it and used it as a reason to scum read me. Hf just said I was salty but never scum read me for that point | ||
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On February 01 2015 13:29 rsoultin wrote: Well, if you think I'm wrong, you really should speak up. I'm trying to find reasons Damdred isn't a good lynch, which is why I'm questioning him still. I don't think that Damdred is a good lynch. Reading through his filter, it does seem like overall he is trying to discern alignments. I disagree with his methods and results, but it looks like he is generally trying. I'm still suspicious of him, just like I am suspicious of you (rsoultin), but I don't think either are good lynches for today. The change in view on a Palmar lynch is probably the biggest point against Damdred, but I don't think that is enough to lynch him. | ||
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If he keeps this up, I could become much more willing to lynch him. | ||
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I suppose it's possible that I'm wrong, and I don't look towny at all. Which is why I'm asking, to figure out if Damdred's read on me is crazy or not. | ||
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I've also mentioned that I want to have my vote in a reasonable place tonight, since I won't be on very much tomorrow and will be gone for the deadline. It's getting late, so I I would vote. Sicklucker is currently a wagon, so it's not a wasted vote. I'm not going to say that my sicklucker read is 100%, but I think that he is currently the most likely scum, and therefore the best lynch at the moment. I can support all of this, except for the single sentence previous, with quotes that I have previously stated if you would like. Today, I have seriously investigated rsoultin, Damdred, and sicklucker. I'm townreading LightningStrike, Half the Sky, marvellosity, and Holyflare. That leaves Chezitwo, IAmRobik, Eden1892, and FecalFeast, of which only Eden1892 has provided enough real thought and content that I could potentially get an accurate read on. If you want me to do something other than vote sicklucker, you'll have to explain why. | ||
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On February 01 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote: Here we go trfel I'll explain what I'm seeing at least and be respectful because its what I would want done to me and we can discuss it in a somewhat civilized fashion. No quotes though as il be phone posting for awhile yet. The first interactions we have with you and the thread are pretty lack luster and pretty unhelpful towards the thread and not really to content filled. Your first significant post is a somewhat big list post that is full of bulls and one town read. It has the look of someone paying attention and contributing but on closer inspection it really isn't. Some of your later posts are better its true but to me there isn't a ton of commitable reads and a lot of the thoughts are pretty thread sentiments. The push on me feels like a sheep and it got dropped pretty fast even though it seemed like you had a pretty strong scun read, and then you vote with me on SL and say I guess SL. No strong reads really and not scum hunting Yes, I wasn't very effective at the start of the game. I won't deny that. However, as I have discussed already, that list post stated that I was suspicious of sicklucker. I've maintained this view throughout the game. When I look back at it, it's actually not a big list post, it's a small collection of a few thoughts. The post looks small, it is small, there is no intent to try and force reads. What about the times where I went against the thread sentiment, like when I started considering defending rsoultin? And when I said that the mafia seem to be lurking, and that the thread is potentially primarily townies? I still stand by that statement, by the way. In the past, my intuition like that has been correct (see Carol of the Bells, where I felt that the mafia were supporting my case on KelsierSC, and Newbie Mafia, where I felt that all of the Day 1 lynch targets were town and that scum wasn't having to do anything). I think that sicklucker is most likely to be scum, and I have kept this view rather consistently. I'm also suspicious of rsoultin and Damdred. I wasn't pushing you. I disagreed with your reads and statements (still do), and I responded more aggressively than I should have. Believe me, if I want to push someone, I would open up with a comprehensive case and then use that to push the lynch, not baseless comments. See my play in Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells. I looked through your filter, and while I disagreed with several of your reads and reasoning, I didn't think there was enough to lynch you at the time. Are you saying that there is anything wrong with this? My looking through your filter shows that I am scumhunting, and if you are in fact town, then deciding not to lynch you is a good decision. I didn't provide evidence, since the reason I decided not to lynch you yet was more a lack of sufficient evidence for you being scum, not evidence for you being town. | ||
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Sorry that you're upset Damdred. I'll definitely try to play in a more civil fashion from now on, getting mad really doesn't help anything. Side note, does someone mind taking the time to assume for a moment that I am 100% confirmed town and then giving me advice on how I could improve my play? This game is a good example of what I'm getting at, I just don't feel like I've been playing effectively. I see no reason to wait until after the game to start trying to improve my play, if someone is willing to help me. | ||
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On February 01 2015 14:39 Holyflare wrote: holy fucking shit what game are you even reading Please, let up on Damdred for now.... | ||
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On February 01 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote: Side note, does someone mind taking the time to assume for a moment that I am 100% confirmed town and then giving me advice on how I could improve my play? This game is a good example of what I'm getting at, I just don't feel like I've been playing effectively. I see no reason to wait until after the game to start trying to improve my play, if someone is willing to help me. I guess I'll request this again. I feel useless, and I really don't like that feeling. Someone help me please? | ||
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Normally I would be inclined to leave him be, but I'm not seeing that much else to work with right now. | ||
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Assuming that we are in fact dealing with mafia!IAmRobik, and the claim is false, based on how the modifications work there is only a 33% chance that we can get three other flipped/claimed blues. Which means that there is a very low chance of his claim ever being proven false. I won't lynch him for going afk, but when he was here, his play didn't seem particularly good. | ||
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Speaking of being tired, I want sleep. And I want to know where to leave my vote, since I won't be on very much until the deadline. | ||
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I looked at his filter. There is absolutely nothing redeeming about it. His reason for claiming is that he would be an obvious town that people could follow. He's done literally zero useful things this entire game. The only way he is town is if he meant to do useful things, intentionally didn't do them, then had a real life circumstance come up to prevent him from doing anything. | ||
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I don't really want to lynch FecalFeast because of his play in Carol of the Bells. Most of his posts this game have been spammy and useless, but at the same time he has shown indications of reading the game and trying to find people's alignments. Which, I think, is more than I could say for FecalFeast at this time in Carol of the Bells. | ||
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On February 01 2015 16:16 Eden1892 wrote: That's a lot of people quickly saying they townread LS. I'll just sheep the crowd on that for d1 and see if I change my mind later. Trfel what is it about FecalFeast that makes you say that, in essence, "He's mostly spammy and not helpful but sometimes he somewhat looks like he's trying" is a town read? If my summary is in error then please correct me, but that's the gist I got from it and if that's true then you should be lynching him based on that. That's a pretty great place for mafia to be and a pretty bad place for town to be On January 31 2015 20:34 Chezitwo wrote: Looking at his other programs... It makes me sad. ##Unvote Marvellosity has a larger filter, and I found this quote in Chezitwo's filter, so I'll just use that. But the point is the marvellosity quote. To some extent, meta is necessary. I'm not going to hold FecalFeast to the same standard that I hold you to. Damdred, I believe that you are town 100% at this point. But I don't think that Holyflare is getting lynched today. I will take a look at it tomorrow if I get a chance. | ||
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Holyflare, who are you willing to lynch? | ||
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I would lynch Robik instantly except Hammertime mafia shows that Robik simply has been offline for a while now. I don't really want to lynch Chezitwo for the same reasons I don't really want to lynch FecalFeast. Both make mostly useless comments, but they are still reading the thread and seem to be putting a bit of effort in. One more comment about FecalFeast, I don't scumread him for the post about sheeping Holyflare. All of FecalFeast's posts before and after this one are joking, and I see no reason to assume that this one is any different, especially when looking at his tone in the post. | ||
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On February 01 2015 16:31 sicklucker wrote: probably. Have you ever played with ff?. Ill give you my word that if you dont lynch him today you will never figure him out and lynch him later. Ive played with him like 7 games and hes never actually done anything productive that I can read him off of. Well, last game I played with him, I was the cop so I checked him | ||
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On February 01 2015 16:33 Holyflare wrote: Trfel all you're doing is saying no to every lynch Do you think any of them look good? I think all of them have problems, and I've said why. I guess of all of the options, I actually like lynching Robik the most. | ||
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On February 01 2015 16:35 Holyflare wrote: I don't see any problem with a fecal lynch and you haven't shown me any reasons why we shouldn't lynch him other than his posts are jokey? Does that counteract the points I made? The problem I see with lynching FecalFeast is that he doesn't do very much every game. This game, he looked through Damdred's filter and townread him. I feel that lynching FecalFeast is basically just a random luck lynch. But it seems like as a whole, we are finally getting an agreement, so if I can't convince anyone (which seems likely) then I will go with it and vote FecalFeast. | ||
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On February 01 2015 16:36 rsoultin wrote: lol, glad he did. you like a fight too much there, hf, even when it's serving no purpose xP that said, I've done the same thing myself. so meh I think palmar's a fine lynch, and better than an sl lynch. ff...meh. i'm not rereading filters at 0130 in the morning @.@ what I get out of them will probably make no sense in the light of day Do it for me? It's 2:30 AM here. I'm still playing. | ||
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FecalFeast lynch is generally preferred to a Palmar lynch because the hope is that Palmar starts playing seriously and scumhunting while FecalFeast will probably continue to mostly joke around, right? | ||
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So we're down to FecalFeast or Palmar? | ||
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On February 01 2015 16:47 Holyflare wrote: like just reading from the start of page 2/3 I can already see he actually has multiple reads and thought progression? Here I can't really see it and he's only really talked about chez as a scum read but not actually at all other than to ask other ppl about him Hm, you're right. Guess I should check my facts before I open my mouth. Well, that's embarrasing. Anyway, voting FecalFeast now. | ||
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That was my last reload before sleeping. Why do you do this to me. | ||
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On February 01 2015 09:51 Palmar wrote: I read my role pm before I started playing wtf is wrong with you. 100% mafia ##vote sucklucker So what's this about? Did he read his role PM or not, or is the point that he is mafia when he claims to not have read his role PM? | ||
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On February 01 2015 17:21 rsoultin wrote: I'm up for bouncing ideas with y'all. They may just be a bit less coherent than normal. Cool. Don't expect sanity from me either So we have FecalFeast, Palmar, and Robik, right? I think we can drop Chezitwo from the list? To me, the most compelling reason to lynch Palmar is what the vets are saying about his meta (marvellosity on never mislynching Palmar, Holyflare on Palmar's claim to not have read his role PM). I'm not sure what to think about FecalFeast. The question seems to be if his play is worse than in previous games. And I don't like heavily meta-based arguments like that. The only alternative is that in the few posts he has actually been playing the game, he seems fine. Then there's Robik. I actually feel like scumreading him for his claim, since he followed it up with absolutely nothing and we already have another blue claim. But he's been gone for quite some time, and it is very possible that he was intending to mess around for a while and then play seriously later, but real life intervened and he was not given the opportunity. | ||
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On February 01 2015 17:23 rsoultin wrote: Okay, in all honesty, I need to filter-dive him (tomorrow @.@) but eden just isn't making me all excited this game :/ Some of it is I'm not agreeing with him, and some of it is he's not making much of an impact. Eh, I don't want to lynch Eden1892 at the moment. Which I suppose makes him scum by his own admission.... His filter seems fine to me if you believe that he really doesn't want to get killed on night 1. Unfortunately, that casts a cloud of doubt on everything he says. I will certainly hold him to higher standards from Day 2 on out (assuming the mafia team has any sense of decency). | ||
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On February 01 2015 17:27 Fecalfeast wrote: Hi am town pls no lynch Who do you want to lynch, and why? What makes them a better lynch than you (without using the "I'm town" argument)? | ||
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On February 01 2015 17:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I make list post? I don't wanna do much work but also would rather not die I'll take what I can get. A list post is better than what Robik has provided. | ||
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Maybe I'll just take the night easy, and catch up on all the homework I skipped today | ||
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On February 01 2015 17:40 Holyflare wrote: If you think I'm gonna get nk'd then why would you want to look into me over the more underwhelming people? Because I think Damdred is town, and he is suspicious of you. It's worth a look. | ||
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On February 01 2015 17:42 rsoultin wrote: Schoolwork. Ick. I forgot I have to reply to all my classmates on globalization. Is it terrible that I hate reading stupid? Digression. What makes you worried about HF in particular, Trfel? I assume there's a reason he has top priority here? On February 01 2015 17:41 Trfel wrote: Because I think Damdred is town, and he is suspicious of you. It's worth a look. It just feels like that is the logical first thing to look in to. Holyflare being scum would change a whole lot. Without a reread though, I just don't see it. And I'm not going to pretend that I have any hope of catching mafia!Holyflare in a 3:45 AM reread. | ||
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On February 01 2015 17:43 sicklucker wrote: Oh you guys are still goin lol. Just cant stop eh? I've never been in a game with a scum lynch on Day 1. Last game was close, but I was the scum, so that doesn't really count.... And I have to leave tomorrow. I want to get this right, or at least get the lynch on the best place overall. | ||
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On February 01 2015 17:50 Fecalfeast wrote: go life With you on that one. So of that list, you probably want to lynch sicklucker today, right? And yeah, I'm still not inclined to lynch FecalFeast any more. Someone decide something. | ||
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If you don't want to lynch Robik, please say something. | ||
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IAmRobik On January 31 2015 06:00 IAmRobik wrote: Hard claiming Favored Distro Now you know you can trust/follow me for the rest of the game until mafia put KP on me. Robik opened the game by claiming named VT. On January 31 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: Because I'm really good at this game and if we lynch who I want to d1, we'll be down to 1 mafia in no time This is his explanation. On January 31 2015 06:15 IAmRobik wrote: Nah...people barely follow what I say even when I'm confirmed cop. And then he says this. I didn't think too much of it at the time, since I figured that he was probably joking or being sarcastic (though I am having trouble seeing how). But when taken at face value, it makes no sense. First, if he is a poor player or intends to be ineffective, claiming named VT is a very poor idea. It basically allows the mafia to choose if they would prefer to kill a named VT or whoever they would normally want to kill, and it can be assumed that the mafia will choose whatever they deem best. Mafia could always just ignore Robik and be more accurate with their nightkills/roleblocks for a potential role. The upside to the claim is that everyone knows he is town, so we can follow him and trust him. But he didn't give us anything to follow (more on this later). And I maintain that if the players in the game have a brain (which they do in most games on this site, and this game seems to be fairly skilled), anyone can get people to follow their reads just by making a well-constructed, logical case. So, Robik feels that he wants to lead town, and that he needs to claim to do it. But he has trouble getting people to follow him even when he is confirmed cop. This doesn't make sense to me at all. Meanwhile, as mafia, Robik has lots of incentive to claim named VT. Given the modification system that potentially adds an extra named VT to the game, we only know that a claimed blue is lying if there are four claimed blues. Since there are only three blues in the game 33% of the time, Robik's claim doesn't incriminate him 66% of the time, and even if there are in fact three blues in the game, Robik is safe until they all claim. After the claim, Robik gave a fake scumread on Eden1892. Then he says he wants to lynch FecalFeast, no reasons provided. Then he says this game has too many scum. Then he votes Damdred for adding an unnecessary paragraph break. If the game has too many scum, then why doesn't he share any of them with us? Especially seeing as he claimed with the intention of making him confirmed town and leading the town? As it is, all he gave us was two joke scumreads and one scumread with no reasoning in the slightest. Robik has been hypocritical and ineffective. The claim doesn't make him town, but instead of using it to lead town, he has used it as an excuse for doing nothing. ##Vote Robik | ||
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I need sleep, and I'm not confident in being online much until well after the deadline. Someone carry this lynch through please. Unless of course new information comes up. | ||
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On February 01 2015 18:30 Chezitwo wrote: Hello, I seem to have missed 30 pages. I don't have much time today either, at least not for another 8 hours or so. If I can't catch up, I will sheep marv or HF. Hi Chezitwo. Do you mind reading and commenting on the case I posted two posts above your post? | ||
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On February 01 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote: Theres always a thing called tomorrow. I don't have tomorrow...... Sorry for getting anxious. I think I'm right, but I can't be there to force it through. I guess there's nothing to do but hope for a scum lynch, however it ends up. But please, people, when you wake up, read my case. Decide for yourself. And if you agree with me, then vote Robik. | ||
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On February 01 2015 18:43 Chezitwo wrote: Does a faulty device try to become favored, or would it settle to be average? It would probably settle for being average. That's what it says in the stickied TL Mafia guide. It is generally bad for scum players to try and lead town, since they are at opposing goals, and it will make their alignment too obvious. Much easier for scum to simply avoid being lynched, while staying low profile. | ||
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On February 01 2015 18:47 rsoultin wrote: I'm still up cause I'm an insomniac. SL you boob. I quoted the so-called "scumread" of LS. Unless we're talking about different posts you don't have a leg to stand on there. (Still <3 you as a person, though, you phoenix killer ;o;) You're awake?!?! Will you volunteer to lead the charge against Robik so I can sleep without worry? | ||
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On February 01 2015 18:47 Palmar wrote: is holyflare really this mad that Damdred is smarter than him? First sicklucker, then Chezinu, then Palmar.... next thing you know, maybe Robik will come back. I will look at the Holyflare/Damdred interactions later. Palmar, who do you want to lynch? | ||
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On February 01 2015 18:52 rsoultin wrote: Lol, that answer your question Truffle? Well enough. Will be interested to see how the Europeans respond. Especially seeing as how America is "the stupider part of TL" ( -Palmar, in a previous game). I really ought to go to sleep. But that case removed my sleepiness, it fell together far better than I expected it to. | ||
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On February 01 2015 18:56 Fecalfeast wrote: we should kill palmar Why Palmar over Robik? Side note, I just realized that I actually have the second longest filter in the game right now. So much for my typical low post count. | ||
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On February 01 2015 18:59 Fecalfeast wrote: why are you reading your own filter? Palmar is here taunting us while robik is ded Gotta make sure I'm not scum. Otherwise, how could I sheep my case? | ||
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On February 01 2015 19:01 rsoultin wrote: I really am equally happy with a Palmar or Robik lynch, Trfel, to be quite honest. Happy to push for you especially if you're going to leave your vote there, but the more logical thing unless you don't believe Palmar is scum is to wait to push Robik Day 2 if we still wan to do that. I see Palmar as a pure coinflip with some vets who say it is better than a coinflip, without providing explanations. We also have a vet (Eden1892) who says that Palmar is probably town. Meanwhile, making the case on Robik made his play seem even more suspect. I will be back for a little after I wake up, I hope, just not for very long. If the Robik push doesn't have support, by all means, let it drop. But many people said they were willing to lynch Robik, so I think it can work. | ||
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I don't see it as a policy lynch per se, but I feel that his play has been the most anti-town play in the game to this point. Him vanishing doesn't change that. @Palmar, I would arrest both of them. | ||
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I'm assuming you don't really want to lynch Palmar any more, since you moved your vote to Chezitwo? | ||
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On February 02 2015 02:14 marvellosity wrote: there is one thing about chezitwo i guess, if i had to pull something out of a hat: he voted Palmar on a metapoint from the middle of last year, yet never checked FF's meta at all until I mentioned it. Chezitwo is a smurf, no? Thus, perhaps he played with Palmar in the game in question, and hasn't played with FecalFeast. | ||
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He is a claimed named VT. Which, outside of claims and setup talk, has no more importance than a normal VT. If he is in fact a named VT, his role serves the same purpose alive as dead. Meanwhile, Robik probably won't be the night kill for a while, especially given Damdred's claim. The only reason to keep Robik around is if you hope his play will improve upon his return, but I can also be hopeful for Palmar and Chezitwo and FecalFeast and all of the other lynch candidates. Therefore, if I assume that Robik's claim is true, I believe his play has been the most harmful for town of all of the players to this point (if you are wondering why, look [link=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476878-linux-mini-mafia?page=66#1308]here[/link]. So, I think that Robik is the best lynch. | ||
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I won't have time to look all that carefully into the Eden1892 lynch. Tell me what I should do. | ||
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Eden was pressuring sicklucker with the "my meta says" phrase as well. I can understand that he says Palmar is town while still scumreading you for changing your stance on Palmar. He isn't scumreading you for not wanting to lynch Palmar, he is scumreading you for changing your stance without Palmar doing anything. I think I will leave my vote on Robik. I want Robik lynched. I don't know how people will respond to the Eden1892 lynch, I wish I could be here, but I can't. Therefore I will go with my instinct. Whatever happens, hopefully you guys lynch a scum. | ||
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Please ignore my last few posts, I will take an in depth look at this now. | ||
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On February 02 2015 03:45 LightningStrike wrote: What instrument you play in the band? Also when you get done checking out Eden tell us your thoughts on him and compare this game to his scum game on New Years Eve Mafia and here is the link for it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=Eden1892 I play trumpet. I'm not going to use meta here. I don't feel that I know enough about mafia or about Eden1892's play to be qualified to judge this. My usage of meta is limited to when I don't feel that it can possibly be wrong, and I usually use it to try and townread people (or rather, not scumread them, since I don't really like townreads), not the opposite. | ||
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On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I really want people to read my case read Edens filter. I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I hear you. Like I said, I didn't have the fact checking to really know at the time I needed to leave. I will decline from answering your question at this time, I will cover my read on Eden1892's filter and my response to your case in one post, when I finish. At this time, I don't know what my conclusion will be. The main reason that I didn't want to vote Eden1892 before was that I expect him to come back before the deadline. And as town or scum, I don't think he will want to get lynched today. If I was out and my vote was stuck on him, that would be less than ideal. | ||
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On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote: How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? | ||
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On February 02 2015 04:00 Damdred wrote: Why is the bolded that impmortant when Palmar or Robik would fall into the same category? Palmar doesn't seem to mind being lynched. Eden1892 has put a lot more effort into this game than Palmar or Robik. You can't deny that. I just feel like if Eden1892 decided to return and play the game seriously, he could do stuff that would make him seem more towny. I am not convinced that Palmar and Robik could/would do the same. | ||
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On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote: I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. What do you think of me? Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. | ||
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On February 02 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote: cut off to soon, i'm nto sure how eden has put a ton of effort intot he game not much real thoughts besides sheeping and dropping stuff instantly I'm going to ignore these questions. Let me finish looking into it and then we can talk about it. I'm sorry that I am slow. I can't help it, unless you want my read accuracy to be even lower. | ||
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Unless of course it's Holyflare or a serious marvellosity....... but please please please let that not be true. | ||
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First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. Another option is that he wants to be a bad scum so he dies and doesn't have to keep playing scum, but that isn't the impression that I get from his filter. One thing to the contrary is that he stopped complaining about this in the Hammertime Mafia obs qt, which Artanis named Eden's Hammertime obs rant corner because he was upset about getting killed on night 1. Eden1892 didn't do much ranting about it then. Why would he rant now? I can definitely see it coming from a town!Eden1892, but it does seem a bit strange. While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment. The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit. On February 01 2015 14:55 Eden1892 wrote: WAIT no nevermind hes blue lol This is a terrible post. His progression is "Did Damdred really just claim blue with zero votes" -> "Kill Damdred" -> "Never mind Damdred is blue". Eden1892 also said that he isn't coming back for End of Day. He will get back just in time to see the lynch. So we aren't going to get any help there. I guess I'm fine with voting Eden1892. The inconsistencies in his play can be explained, but there are more of them than I would like to see. And those aren't things that he is intentionally doing to not get killed on Night 1. Really hoping that he is able to check on the thread and give some thoughts. | ||
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Since a Robik lynch doesn't seem to have the support, I guess Eden1892 is probably the best vote. + Show Spoiler + Holyflare is probably going to start yelling at me for filter diving him | ||
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On February 02 2015 04:41 Damdred wrote: Trfel sudden posting leaves me feeling a sense of weirdness and spine tingly feelings Sudden posting? I've been writing that post for quite some time. You have made the argument that Eden1892 is scum. Therefore, I was making the argument that he is town and seeing how its validity compared. I decided that your argument was better. What is the problem here? | ||
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On February 02 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote: Truffle, your analysis... It's kinda icky. Hrmph. Seems like no one likes it. What I don't understand is why everyone is picking my analysis, while I arrived at the same conclusion that they did? | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:05 Eden1892 wrote: HtS just vote me. It sucks that we lost the Rb but that's life What does this mean? Does this mean what I think it means? | ||
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I take it back, that was surely intentional. You can't possibly post in a TL game thread instead of a QT. He was probably giving up and trying to get a mislynch on Half the Sky tomorrow. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:08 Trfel wrote: Yeah, Eden1892 is scum. I take it back, that was surely intentional. You can't possibly post in a TL game thread instead of a QT. He was probably giving up and trying to get a mislynch on Half the Sky tomorrow. I need to do more thinking. That's just WIFOM. Disregard my last few posts please. | ||
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You're right though, I didn't think clearly. Good job, Damdred. Thanks for making that easy. | ||
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That's a whole new way to get reads, and I have no experience with it at all. This will be interesting. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:18 LightningStrike wrote: We gotten a actual mafia lynch in Carol wtf you smoking..... But I died that night...... and didn't get much of a chance to look into anything post-lynch.... | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:20 Eden1892 wrote: Isn't this a really weird post guys? I redchecked myself and posted it in the thread with enough time for people to react. If she's town she could just vote me and be done, but she felt the need to justify the ununjustifiable. I scumread this. Wait guys, this makes a lot of sense. Maybe Eden1892 could be town here. | ||
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Proof? Holyflare mentioned the possibility of Eden1892 claiming blue right before he did it. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:32 Holyflare wrote: oh dummy.... i don't think you understand.... Nah, he understands perfectly. I'm taking notes so I know what to do next time I roll scum. (for those of you who remember last game...) | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:34 Fecalfeast wrote: In the event eden is parity cop, the chance one of our other two blue claimers is lying is 66% since 2/3 of the modifications make it impossible for 3blue roles. This event is not possible. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:35 Damdred wrote: We do believe your claim  , i'm sorry your mafia team lost your rb.Hahahahahahahhahahaha, well played. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:39 Holyflare wrote: NO WE ARE NOT JESUS FUCK I'll just let Holyflare do the talking. I don't seem to be very convincing. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:42 Chezitwo wrote: Catching up is so much more boring than participating in active discussion though. I'll do it when everyone's gone and I can't chat to anyone. I think the past 24 hours have showed that this game keeps going 24/7. So you won't really get this opportunity. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:47 LightningStrike wrote: It would be a blooper not funniest moment Well, fine, both. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:48 Eden1892 wrote: Scum should never claim scum get all the votes on them then claim cop, its the stupidest move ever. Im cop its ok Cop should never claim scum get all the votes on them then claim cop. its the stupidest move ever. Im scum its ok | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:50 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not actually on my phone The amount of voting you were doing made that obvious. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:31 Holyflare wrote: i've already cc'd him anyway :O? This is all that I see. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:52 Trfel wrote: Wait, I don't understand, is Holyflare actually claiming blue? On February 02 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote: yes 100% Holyflare is claiming blue. 100%. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:55 marvellosity wrote: you're an idiot. what i took from that was "next time i am mafia, i will definitely kill eden n1" My thoughts exactly. | ||
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On February 02 2015 05:59 Half the Sky wrote: So how many claims do we have out? 3 (excluding Eden)? I recall Robik, Damdred soft claimed I think earlier and now HF? How do you feel about that Robik claim at this point? Yes, I'm not the only one!!! | ||
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Let's lynch marvellosity, Holyflare, and Damdred. Those are our best players and our confirmed town. That way, there is no possible way for a mafia to sneak by us. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:07 Chezitwo wrote: I suggest we use dick move analysis to decide who wouldn't concede after 2 mafia players die on D1 and lynch those players. Agreed. Makes me wonder if it is an afk player like Robik. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:15 Chezitwo wrote: 11 players, 1 is scum We've got 4 mislynches, just need to confirm 7 people and we're good. You Marv Me Rsoultin Half the Sky LightningStrike Damdred GG | ||
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Why? I don't see why that says anything about Robik. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:17 Chezitwo wrote: Why? I still don't even know if HF's blueclaim is serious, could just be to prevent shenannies. There are 3-blue setups in the game. Please someone help me. Show me where Holyflare claimed blue, and explain it to me. I'm terrible and I actually can't figure this out, I'm not kidding. Feel free to taunt me to years, but only AFTER you explain it truthfully. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:18 marvellosity wrote: why are you asking this? you've been lynched as mafia before. You're right, the events of the past few hours have been pretty chaotic, my mind is in a bit of a weird place right now. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:20 Fecalfeast wrote: HF did something called "breadcrumbing" which is where they leave hints in multiple posts. Except in this case he used entire loaves of bread and a big light-up sign Ah, I see. I didn't notice that. Haha, I'm terrible. Maybe I really should switch to observing games for a while. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:21 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel....you didn't remember this? Er, this is embarrasing.... I was being sarcastic? Yeah, yeah, I'm Romanian, I get it. I'll go cry in a corner now. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:23 LightningStrike wrote: The last time Tfrel was this forgetful he was scum. Haha, I'm not being forgetful. I'm just being stupid. There's a big difference. I'm not scum. I've posted more in this game than all my previous four games combined. I never saw Holyflare actually claim blue, I just saw him say that he already claimed blue. This was strange to me, so I asked him. His "yes 100%" answer was posted right after, I assumed that was answering a post above me, and the " -.- " was directed to my question, as well as marvellosity's l2read. So I assumed that Holyflare was being sarcastic, as shown by my being happy that Half the Sky also thought that Holyflare was claiming blue. Now it turns out that Holyflare actually did claim blue. So I don't even know what to do any more. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:28 Damdred wrote: That's fine I hope i'm alive so I can build another bomb case. Like I feel really good about myself Please, let me get the last one. I need to redeem myself at least a little. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:30 marvellosity wrote: I will laugh so hard if mafia kill me tonight Why? | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:38 rsoultin wrote: This better be a town claim or I'm concerned for your immediate neighbors :0 Hahahahhahaahahahaaahaha.... | ||
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Is Holyflare claiming unspecified blue or cop? | ||
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I'm the doctor. Holyflare or Robik is scum, 100%. Please concede now. | ||
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The answer is simple. I have no clue how to play doctor. I don't know who the mafia will kill. I was trying to get more information, and hope that you guys could teach me how to play doctor. But now it doesn't matter. There are four claimed blues, with a maximum of three in the setup. We have four mislynches. I know that my claim is genuine, and I believe Damdred. If Holyflare actually is cop, then that means that the last scum is a godfather, leaving even more evidence to the Robik theory. | ||
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On February 02 2015 06:54 Chezitwo wrote: So we just lynch Robik then HF then Damdred then Trfel and one of these will win us the game. Now can I afk and let you guys win the game? | ||
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On a side note, it was the right play to claim there, right? | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:08 Chezitwo wrote: Now I'm going to call you even more of a liar. Maybe we should lynch marvellosity before Robik just because we can? | ||
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But we laugh by lynching marvellosity. | ||
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He's on a 40+ game town no-lynch streak. | ||
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Scum games don't count. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:14 rsoultin wrote: Nah, lol, my paranoia is in high gear xP Systematic is best. Do you not believe my claim and that we have a freewin? | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote: Dunnae Truffle. I'm good at paranoid which I think we've established. You're also assuming no dumb town claimed just to claim so...perhaps a little early to be popping the champagne corks and lynching people for lolz. We're never going to get to lynch town!marvellosity ever again. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:19 marvellosity wrote: can't wait for all future games when i never defend Trfel ever. That's cruel  At least Artanis will defend me every game now, right? | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:22 rsoultin wrote: okay lol so most likely robik is scum, I agree...99.5% chance but if he's just dumb town claiming, then all our blues could be real we've wasted a night and a day and that's not including lynching marv xP so let's just lynch robik yes? lol -flicks truffle- Such a wet blanket. Fine. Not like I was going to actually do it. I would switch to Robik at the last second. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:36 IAmRobik wrote: Am I still alive? Yes. Please concede. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:37 IAmRobik wrote: I did see we lynched Eden who I insta-scum read. That's fun. Gotta see how that one happened Note that sicklucker was modkilled as well. | ||
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I don't mind looking into other possibilities and spending Day 2 discussing that, but not lynching Robik is the stupidest thing ever. He simply has to go. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:44 rsoultin wrote: I'm beginning to wonder how many morons we have in this game. See, Truffle! I told you it wasn't as black-and-white as you thought. Granted, I still want to lynch Robik tomorrow xP No, I think we still win if we lynch marvellosity tomorrow and if Robik was town and lied and we lynch him next. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:46 IAmRobik wrote: HEY. DO WE HAVE A COP CLAIM? WE HAVE A DOC RIGHT? WHY DOESN'T THE COP FUCKING CHECK ME THEN....DO IT. THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE DUMB FUCKTWATS WHO LYNCH A FUCKING TOWNIE BECAUSE OF A FAKE CLAIMED ROLE That won't work, and you know it. | ||
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Since if he is scum, the game ends, let's assume that he is town (we still lynch him anyway ofc). I know that I am town. I think that LightningStrike is town, but I could double check this. I am pretty sure that Chezitwo is town. I am 100% confident that Damdred is town. I think that rsoultin is town, but I could double check this. I think that Half the Sky is town, but I could double check this. I don't have any clue what to do with Palmar. I am pretty sure that marvellosity is town. I am pretty sure that Holyflare is town (cop claim and didn't back down while Robik did) I don't have any clue what to do with FecalFeast. So our next two lynches would probably be Palmar and Fecalfeast, and if we somehow still haven't won, we have a lot of time to figure out the final lynch. | ||
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Rsoultin, I already said that I was joking. I would never actually lynch marvellosity when I know he is town. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:53 marvellosity wrote: Palmar does look annoyingly town during the "solved" phase Ah, I see, I wasn't reading that section for any alignment indicative information. I'll probably have to go back over it later. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:54 rsoultin wrote: Okay, truffle wuffle. Robik is the lynch tomorrow anyway. Robik, can I hear some more fun protests? xDD If Robik somehow flips town, are you seriously going to lynch me? Because that makes no sense at all. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:54 marvellosity wrote: does anyone remember when eden said his scumpartner(s) made him try not to get lynched? weren't robik/sl both away in that scenario? Yeah, I saw that, but I didn't see any reason to believe Eden1892. He is clever enough to try and sneak out misinformation, even while seemingly telling the truth. It's just WIFOM. | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:56 Chezitwo wrote: Trfel I know Marv quite well and he is 100% town here. I'm sure he can say the same about me to help your PoE. Yeah, I figured that out a long time ago. I'm not a complete dunce | ||
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On February 02 2015 07:58 IAmRobik wrote: you're worse than a fucking dunce. you're literally fucking dumpster tier if you think i'm mafia here. Fine with me. If you actually are town, you deserve this lynch 100%. Look at my case on you, if you actually are town, your play this game has been extremely anti-town. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:00 IAmRobik wrote: Where is your case on me? Please...I'll fucking rip that shit to fucking shreds http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476878-linux-mini-mafia?page=66#1308 | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:03 sicklucker wrote: ....................... gg never missed a vote in like 100+ and never seen someone get mod killed just for that. should be a funny thread to read when im drunk tonight Yes, the thread is absolutely hilarious. Please ask your remaining mafia partner to concede? I don't care who it is, there is basically no way they can survive through four mislynches. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:06 rsoultin wrote: truffle fluffle can you guess who I think our mafia is if it's not robik? FecalFeast or Half the Sky? | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:08 IAmRobik wrote: People were calling me town regardless of my fucking claim you twit Please provide a single instance of this. I highly doubt this. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote: Lol, read HtS at EoD and tell me what that looks like. Ignoring Eden, just HtS. Looks like a mafia trying to keep options open? | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:14 rsoultin wrote: What caught my attention was how focused she was on looking innocent, even after the lynch, rather than getting the right scum. I haven't seen her in here with the rest of us trying to figure the last one out, either. The one problem with this is that I think Half the Sky has enough sense to concede. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:19 rsoultin wrote: Doesn't look very townie, that's for sure. You were super certain on Robik because, presumably, you knew you were cop. She has no reason to be that certain. Yes, being a blue helped a lot more. But I was never particularly impressed by Robik's play or his claim. | ||
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I think it's WIFOM. But if Robik flips town, Half the Sky would make a good second lynch. I still don't see how not lynching Robik here is ever a good idea. He will always be a big question mark for the rest of the game. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:26 IAmRobik wrote: wait...we have 3 blue claims ASIDE from mine? Yup. Me, Damdred, and Holyflare. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote: EBWOP: Third scum. All I'm saying is it's not entirely unbelievable that he's not scum here, since I do think he probably would have conceded after he just conceded in Protoss. If he's town he can help us find the third scum, and know that with his end game mislynch he lost us the game by doing a stupid play. If he's scum, we lose nothing killing him last vice now. That does work, I suppose, but that just doesn't feel logical. If we ignore Robik, there is always the question, is it Robik? I want to proceed with fewer questions, not more. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:29 rsoultin wrote: Seriously, trfel, if Robik is scum we already have him. He's not wiggling out of it. Why do you want to avoid lynching Robik until the last moment? I don't want to force ourselves to lynch someone at LYLO. It feels a lot easier if people can use the desperation to scumhunt and search. What if people find another scummy person, so we have Robik and someone else who looks scummy, but it's LYLO? That's why I want to get Robik out of the way now. | ||
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Catch you guys later. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:31 rsoultin wrote: There's no rest of the scumteam to worry about. We're just trying to find one. If we all insta!lynch robik and it's not robik you absolutely know what is going to happen here. No one is going to try to figure it out cause town is lazy that way. Let's be productive. Call it a fun exercise ^^ The opposite. I would be more willing to scumhunt if I knew we had to find scum or lose, not when I think the most likely scum is being saved for LYLO. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:33 rsoultin wrote: I don't know. Maybe I'm the biggest chump on earth, but I'm not feeling him as scum here, Trfel, if we're going to be completely honest here. Don't worry. I won't be around in LYLO lol so he'll probably get lynched if it goes that far Don't think it will. If he actually was scum and he wanted to play the game still, it would look a lot like this. Not really any alternative. The only argument to keep Robik around is that he would concede in this situation, and like marvellosity said, most people here would. I'm almost wondering if Holyflare snuck under the radar with a fake copclaim... I suppose it is possible. | ||
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I really do have to go out though. First places to look are Half the Sky and Holyflare. I remember Half the Sky seeming townie earlier, but that wasn't a reread, and that was pre-flips. I am confident in Half the Sky's ability to act towny and avoid being mislynched when she is town, so I expect to see that here. Half the Sky, if you are town, don't let me down. I'm wondering if lynching Holyflare would be good. Holyflare getting a cop claim could be a really good way for him to avoid the lynch. And with my claim and Damdred's claim, there may not be another blue to counterclaim him. | ||
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Half the Sky Me Damdred Holyflare Might I actually suggest Half the Sky first, then Holyflare if she flips town? | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:54 Chezitwo wrote: It's the right play because scumHtS saying this is literally making her an autolynch, which means it's much more likely to be HF. Agreed, I figured that out after I posted. If Holyflare is actually green and fakeclaimed cop this game would have to go down as the funniest game in mafia history. | ||
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On February 02 2015 08:56 marvellosity wrote: bit weird that HF didn't give up earlier if he's mafia this game is so bizarre Not weird. For a player like Holyflare, it actually makes sense that he would take a risk with two scum dying on Day 1. Take a risk, see if it works out. If it doesn't, you lose a basically lost game. If it does work out, you might win an unwinnable game. Since if we agree that Holyflare is confirmed cop, we aren't going to lynch him, and he could actually win. It would probably be his only way to avoid detection through four mislynches. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:00 Chezitwo wrote: Trfel, you're standing by your medic claim? You're not a VT? Damdred, same? HF are you willing to change your quote to the worst player of all time if you flip VT? I will never retract my claim because it is true and I want to win this game. The blue roles seem to be the way to do it. If I flip VT, then BlazingHand would actually be the worst host of all time for not only sending me the wrong role PM. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:01 Trfel wrote: Holyflare, are you willing to change your signature to "worst player of all time" if you flip mafia? Wait, this is probably against the rules. Never mind. Sorry. | ||
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We just have to know if Damdred stands by his claim. I'm assuming he does. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:05 rsoultin wrote: lol can we submit a lynch order as a game and really auto this? xP If we can submit a lynch order (which I really really want to do), we probably should wait just to make sure that Damdred confirms that he is in fact a blue. He wasn't here the first time we had four blues either, so it is possible that he might back down. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:07 Holyflare wrote: you think this game would still be running if i was mafia????? I think that is more likely than the game still running if anyone else was mafia. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:07 Half the Sky wrote: I could try to get modkilled, but that would be poor show. Plus, that is worthy of a ban, no? | ||
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But I believe Half the Sky, and I don't really believe Holyflare. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:08 Chezitwo wrote: I really think Damdred's going to unclaim. Nothing else makes sense. I agree. If he does, do we lynch him? Or let him slide? | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually I was going to say Damdred was clearly town even if he unclaimed. I just didn't want to say it because in the unlikely scenario where he was scum it'd have made his decision easier. That was what I was thinking. But I wasn't smart enough to think about not saying it. | ||
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On February 02 2015 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: In the start you made this giant post that had one read on it: Townish on HF. I feel like you should try to be more efficient and focus on the important things rather than commenting on everything happening in the thread. Thanks, I'll work on it. Hopefully there will be another normal game up soon. This one was pretty quick. | ||
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That's probably the biggest read error I made this game? As for my playstyle, I have to remember not to get mad, that just makes my communication much less effective. And I should probably return to my low-post, high content style. That felt more effective. | ||
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GGs all, fun game. Sorry Robik. | ||
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On February 02 2015 10:03 IAmRobik wrote: People in this game who I insulted, do you want me banned? No, but it's not my decision and I don't think my opinion has anything to do with it. For the record, though, please don't accuse me of not reading the game. I read the entire game and reread a bunch. I'm fine if you call me stupid, I deserve that. But I did read the game. | ||
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On February 02 2015 10:07 IAmRobik wrote: I just mean, instead of doing what you did at end of game, just read the game. read what i'm writing. Don't just say "oh lol you're obv mafia because you fake claimed" after I'm posting evidence that makes me not mafia Sorry if my intent wasn't clear. I didn't think that you were obvious mafia, what you said made sense. I forgot about the possibility that you could be fakeclaiming as town to take a night kill, and that was really terrible of me. Once you pointed that out, I realized that you could be vanilla town. I tried to seem overly confident in an effort to make you concede if you were in fact mafia. I still maintain that you would have had to play extremely well Day 2 to avoid getting lynched (though for the aforementioned reasons, I didn't say that in the thread). I guess this teaches me not to do that again. | ||
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