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On March 03 2015 08:16 IAmRobik wrote: For those pressing the device: devices are always scum-favored I've never played with a "device" although I was in Carol with presents so similiar? Why are they always scum favored? I'm newbdumb so this is an honest question. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:19 Toadesstern wrote: do you tend to ask a lot of question just because otherwise? It's a straight forward question. Oftentimes I'll ask someone what they think of X but I'm really just trying to read them as town/mafia. The device question probably isn't going to lead to a town/mafia read. Yes, I get it I'm scummy for not hunting scum in the first 23 minutes of game. | ||
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ie ##Shoot: No shoot and then one of us keep tabs like normal? | ||
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We can enforce this pretty easily if a few of you pledge to vote the person who shoots outside of the vote. Pretty simple. Day 1 Shot Count Half The Sky (1): Geript, Reyn Onegu (1): Alakaslam Not voted (lots): Everyone else As it currently stands, Half the Sky is slated to be shot Countdown: Press Device:Reyn, FF, Tube, Damdred, Toad Guard: Sandroba Destroy: | ||
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Then I think we all shoot the winning voter as it seems the first poster with ##shoot: X wins. If the first person shoots outside of that we lynch them. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:33 Toadesstern wrote: I have not actually send in my press device pm yet, if that matters Ididn't either, just keeping track. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:34 Half the Sky wrote: Tube, how are you tracking people who are keeping open the option of shooting multiple people? Geript wanted to shoot me but pretty sure he was also looking at Onegu and Rayn to an extent. Well, once this actually starts I think we should all start voting now and do it. I counted him wanting to shoot you only because it came first and he talked about it more. But I think that for the rest of the day I'm only going to count the shoot vote if it's in proper format: ##Shoot: Someone | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:38 sicklucker wrote: Also making this a normal lynch is pointless someones gonna yolo. This is tl mafia... yeah, but at the 24hr mark that person has to yolo against others. Like if it works right there will be 6 ##shoot X people in a race with the yolo person. I think this argument is a good one if the deadline isn't at the shooting deadline. | ||
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[B] There's a voting thread here, but you won't be using it today. Shots are fired in this thread. Players are able to shoot in . From the Day 1 post. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:43 Toadesstern wrote: ##Shoot: Half the Sky agreed with (I think rayns?) idea that her early post was odd. She continues to make a lot of really, really crappy posts like: All in all, nothing like the shining beacon of towniness she was in last game. Leaning pretty heavy mafia right now, not only on lack of towniness but on actually being scummy the way she posts. That being said, can we please change it to just ##vote: XYZ I don't want someone to shoot someone because our "vote" and the official shooting phrase are the same thing except for a ':' ... Sounds good. Normal Vote format so: ##Vote: XYZ | ||
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The rest I just need to see more. I don't really scum anyone at the moment. The only one I'm somewhat questioning is Slam and only because in some game awhile ago Koshi said that town slam makes no sense, while scum slam is coherent and slam is pretty coherent this game. But I liked his evolution of my idea. (his seemingly reluctant acceptance of it anyway). | ||
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So, far the only real arguments against my idea is that people will act first and outside the majority. If there is no plan, then don't you think the odds of a town being shot would be higher than if it's town controlled? If nothing else, we gain more information by seeing the people who follow or don't follow the plan. My idea is basically, at shooting deadline, who ever is in thread shoots the majority lead. Simple. It's a race, yes but it's a race anyway isn't it? I really dislike the hunt for ninjas ideas. It seems poor play to just sling shurikans randomly and not try to avoid being lynched and outlive like someone else mentioned. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:00 geript wrote: I'm not voting to shoot someone. Unless this ear infection turns into Ebola overnight, I will be shooting someone. It's a matter of figuring out who's the best shot. Does the progression from being ok with a random shooting to "I'm not voting to shoot someone....I will be shooting someone." bug anyone but me? | ||
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On March 03 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote: Eh, I dunnae. Slam's play was kinda transparent, so people not really reacting negatively to it doesn't mean much imo. I can also see geript being unwilling to trust a shot to someone else even as town. The fact of the matter, though, is even if the plan doesn't ultimately work because we can't actually force a shot on the person with the most votes, we still get more information out of it than a clusterfuck of yammering followed by a race to be the first to get a shot out at the 24 hour mark. My point was more, Geript thought RNG was fine. Then later the vote idea came up, and now he's not at all for an RNG or any type of plan that isn't just him shooting. And then later, he thinks we should hunt ninja's? While I liked his explanation of "not really hunting ninja's but being more happy to have one die to remove 2 non towns in game" it just feels like he's pushing for more chaos. | ||
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On March 03 2015 11:23 geript wrote: No. I'm fine with Slam RNGing. Im not fine with an RNG shot in general. There's a big difference there. Are you against my vote count idea? | ||
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On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote: I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting. But that's kinda the point of it. We talk about who town wants to shoot and everyone in thread at the 24hr mark when shooting is possible shoots for the vote leader. That way the shot is controlled by town. Deferring to you or Slam's RNG target depends on either of you being there at the deadline to shoot before someone else does. With knowing what the town has voted, then more people will hopefully all shoot at the leader and we will have 6+ people shooting the preferred target. What's your less stupid idea? | ||
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On March 03 2015 11:52 geript wrote: My less stupid idea is to have people get "approval" to shoot. I'd you need say 5-8 people vote for you to be the shooter. Then it's far more like a mayoral election and actually gives information about the backers. I guess I could get behind this. Assuming that we lynch any non vote declared shooter. That way we have 24 more hours to talk. I'm running off the assumption that at the deadline to be able to shoot, someone IS going to shoot. I'd rather us vote for someone to be shot, and shot at deadline by the consensus. It's really just like a normal lynch vote but only 24 hours long instead of 48. We would only lynch someone for the shooting if they shot someone outside of the consensus. My only objection to electing a vigilante is that I feel we are just as likely to kill a townie anyway. I'm not sure which idea will offer more information though. Currently, though I wouldn't shoot HtS. If Onegu doesn't do anything then I wouldn't object to you shooting him. But why not shoot Koshi? He seems fairly likely since he just blantantly said he can't be asked to do anything. | ||
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On March 03 2015 12:04 geript wrote: Which is the exact thing he did his last mafia game. That makes him uber likely to be mafia. I remember you thinking HtS was town or maybe town. Mind explaining that in full detail. Just feelings? But again I badly misread her in our newbie game you analysed (thank you again for that, I keep rereading it). | ||
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On March 03 2015 12:10 geript wrote: Any feelings you can explain in any reasonable way? I feel like she was in there in the beginning just talking. I don't think anything was leading anywhere but I also don't have that expectation for the first 12 hours of the day though. I think she would have way more calculated and less posts, where these seem more conversational. Plus, I feel queasy for people who get drilled right from the start. Seems it mostly happens to towns. | ||
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Day 1 Shoot Vote Count Half The Sky (2): Raynpelikoneet, Toadesstern Koshi (4ish): Siclucker, Geript?, LightningStrike, Tubesock Nominate a Vigilante:Geript Not voted : Everyone else As it currently stands, Koshi is slated to be Shot. Countdown: A loose device count: Armed: Damdred, Fecalfeast, Rsoultin, Guard: Sandroba, Keirathi, AT.Epiphany, Tubesock Destroy: ---- | ||
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LightningStrike United States. March 02 2015 18:55. Posts 4646 On March 03 2015 12:50 Damdred wrote: He said he needed a town game of hers from recent times so I gave him her latest game like I can't read her anymore on Day 1 without her claiming Miller after watching her in Void and playing with her in Newbie LX when she rolled scum. I also noticed just multiple people haven't posted yet so idk they all Null because the fact they haven't posted yet. May I get your thoughts on HTS and rsoultin and maybe Robik? LightningStrike United States. March 02 2015 18:56. Posts 4646 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote # filter On March 03 2015 12:54 geript wrote: We shouldn't discuss any ongoing games bro lol. LightningStrike United States. March 02 2015 19:01. Posts 4646 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote # filter Also my thoughts on Koshi I finding it odd he not really trying this game and sorta reminds me of Horns of Africa where he wasn't doing much and trying to avoid being lynched so he might be Mafia on that but he needs to give a reason for not doing much. Rayn he not doing much either and I think in a post game he said he wasn't going to do much shit as town due to people not having the ability so idk if he really going through with that or what's going on with him. So my best person I want to shoot is most likely Koshi for now. ##Shoot: Koshi LightningStrike United States. March 02 2015 19:04. Posts 4646 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote # filter rsoultin what your thoughts so far in this game? Just curious. | ||
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On March 03 2015 14:56 AT.Epiphany wrote: So here's my scumread on Geript: Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively. Here as well, he started pushing Koshi and the moment I made my post, his first reaction (even though I said I'm posting on shots as a follow-up) was to scumread me because my post was filler. It isn't filler, the first person to post after me recognized as such, and geript has gambled on being aggressive and unpleasant thinking that people will agree with him because I am new to this forum. Look at his main contribution in the thread. 1) He's tried to normalize the idea that there's no point in trying to reach a consensus on a shot because somebody will shoot anyway. What he's really trying to push though, is the idea that it's normal and ok for everyone to take a shot at 24 hrs and the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want anybody to gain any information from the shot, which is why he's trying to press the line that there's no point reaching a consensus and then lynching anyone who breaks the consensus. 2) He's then tried to press the nonsensical idea of trying to hunt/lynch the 3P although that makes very little sense for reasons that have already been pointed out. 3) He tries to establish credibility by saying "these are the people I'm ok taking a shot". That doesn't prove anything though, especially since at this point he's done nothing useful except to try and debunk our most useful way of gaining information, which is to try and shoot the guy with the most votes. 4) He's been the one to try and turn the thread into a fight by abusing me (a fight he calculated he'll win because no one here knows me). I think Geript is moving the thread forward and critically thinking. To me it's more towny to say my vote idea is stupid and point out holes in it. Wouldn't that freak you out if everyone just blindly said "great idea! Let's do it!!"? There is value in playing devils advocate. I do agree with you Epiphany that he is being a meanie face to you. Now, toughen up, he's an asshole, so what? 1) I took from his objection is that we vote for someone to do the shooting and it could happen well after the deadline to be able to shoot. There is value in extending the day past just 24 hours. He seems to believe the players here won't just yolo shoot someone. Personally, I think some town is going to yolo and shoot another town. Hence, my idea. 2) He explained that in a perfect world it is better to shoot 3P instead of mafia today. Which i think is true, you get rid of 2 non towns. Easier to PoE. He also said hunting 3P is the same as Mafia, so no real difference. 3) These are reads, and towns are supposed to give reads. 4) uhhhh he and like pretty much everyone else in the thread thinks that talking about the device is worthless at the moment. | ||
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Day 1 Shoot Vote Count Half The Sky (2): Koshi (3): Siclucker, Geript, LightningStrike, Geript: AT.Epiphany Mocsta: Batsnacks Breshke: Mocsta, Toadesstern Your Mom:(3) Raynpelikoneet, Obiwanshinobi, Half The Sky Nominate a Vigilante:Geript Not voted : Everyone else As it currently stands, Koshi is slated to be Shot. Countdown: A loose device count: (If someone says they PM'd the host I'll Underline) Armed: Damdred, Fecalfeast, Rsoultin, Guard: Sandroba, Keirathi, AT.Epiphany, Tubesock, Kitaman27 Destroy: Mocsta | ||
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Isn't Chez supposed to be tough to read like Slam? How from his 2 posts did you get he's town? Earlier you said you were working on figuring out the game. Any luck? | ||
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At least my idea has some accountability to it. you guys just want to have mass chaos. I just woke up and skimmed for what people think they should shoot. I'm rereading and will have more soon. | ||
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On March 04 2015 03:32 geript wrote: I'd still rather shoot Koshi. He's done fuck all this game. Why Koshi over Robik or keirathi? Koshi hasn't done much of anything this game, but Robik and Keirathi have done even less. | ||
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On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote: Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing. Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit. Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan). Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him. Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him. | ||
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On March 04 2015 03:51 your mom wrote: rayns arguments are that i scumread people off a few posts before looking at the entire game, and keep scumreading them for those posts (which is supposed to make the whole "fabricated") now point me to the part you find convincing please. rayn called me mafia on the get go so he couldnt have thought that i was mafia cause stubborn, since it was shortly after game start and before i went to bed. he called me mafia after i woke up today for reasons. but the first time he calls me mafia, do you see a reason for it? I didn't see a reason for him scumming you at first. But later he does, and lays them out. I read Rayn's case and thought that makes sense. I then reread your filter and the first few pages looking at you and skimming the rest, but then I don't see the scum. But I really think Rayn is town. So, I'm conflicted and unsure. It is why I'm not voting you just yet. Geript is doing stuff and interacting a lot. He grilled Epiphany (still even but more politely). He doesn't appear to be afraid to say anything and is pushing an agenda. There's some things he's done that seemed scummy (pushing for chaos with plan rejection and not pushing an alternative, pushing the ninja stuff) but that stuff is either outweighed by or explained by his other actions. It's definitely possible he's scum, but we can't shoot him today. No way. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:01 rsoultin wrote: This is probably a semantics point here but...can you please explain to me your Your Mom read in more detail? The way it reads right now is that you have no read on him. I'm pretty lost on Your Mom. Scum point due entirely by my sheep of Rayn's town conviction. Your Mom gets town point for interacting, and what I think is doing stuff and being at least somewhat helpful. I just can't shoot Your Mom today. But I can't argue against Rayn's case either. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:14 your mom wrote: there are no votes today. scum would be dumb not to shoot and let the day end that way, the good ones will try their best to prepare their reasoning for the shot they are going to choose. in fact i find it scummy you didnt think about this, it gives me the impression youre disconnected from the game. in fact you play all the way like youre trying to not get your hands dirty, moving responsibility away from you etc. I guess I just don't understand your reasoning here. If you mean that I'm going to only post the "counts" and not throw out any reads then yes, that is a reasonable reason to scum me. That to me would be keeping my hands clean, but I'm also putting out reads which I think moves responsibility back to me. I don't see how I'm skirting that. good mafia preparing their best reasoning for a shot is going to happen whether or not we do a vote count. They do this for lynches, and the shot is going to be seen by everyone, no shooter can hide from it. Why is this relevant or an argument for or against deciding the shot victim by majority? There's been a couple players saying they were going to shoot at deadline no matter what. I don't think my idea is insuring the shot goes at deadline any more than what they've already said even before I proposed this idea. I'm still not seeing anyone introducing a more town favored plan. The only objections were from people saying it's a naive idea. Is there something that Rayn is doing that is scummy other than scumming you? | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:58 Half the Sky wrote: EBWOP - Tube, got the names mixed up. I was getting more townie vibes from Keirathi from the little he posted, but would like to see more before calling him town. Do you not like the content in his filter or just the quantity of it? Both. my notes say "not a single thing". But really he has one post where he calls out Rayn for not calling Toad mafia even though he beat around the bush about it. The rest is nothing nothing. | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:02 Kurumi wrote: Greetings friends! I am back with great news: many of you have filled the N1N-7S form! Corporation is very thankful for the information you have provided and shall act accordingly. It's amusing how they don't know they count as Mafia for checks!!! Happy behind their vest, happy under their desk, but clueless like light in a prism! I have prepared raynpelikoneet's gun for today's Big Shot! He paid a fair price let me assure you, and he is not going to be disappointed! The employee I fired some hours ago started a kickstarter campaign for fire-safe candles! That's the spirit, too bad we own the kickstarter platform he is using... Not surprising, he was just a HR assistant... I have now updated my list! Chezinu raynpelikoneet LightningStrike HalfTheSky Alakaslam kitatheman27 Foolishness your mom ObiWanShinobi I'll remind you again to ##Request Checkup so you don't embarrass yourself during the Big Shot! Another thing: my secretary told me that my behaviour towards employees isn't exactly as it should be - she fears that I am becoming a shut-in with all this Talk-Only-Through-Emails-or-On-Meetings. Lucy is a bright and beautiful woman so I heed her advice. This is a fifteen minute AMA with your favourite CEO! Face to face! Don't ruin it! What changed your mind about Slam? Why is spirit Foolishness in your list? Or even how? | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:14 Kurumi wrote: Hello Tubesock! Have you had your gun polished lately? No? How about giving me your gun for a while so I can make sure it works? We'll agree on the price in private, I am sure you'll be another happy costumer! What change of mind? Everything is documented! I always push for good documentation! It is really important to know how much coffee is drunk every day and how many poor souls have to drink decaf thanks to our Corporate Random Decaf Generator™ It is true that many CEOs have outlandish beliefs, but I am not one of them! There are no spirits, ghosts, ghouls, religious ghouls, evil doppelgangers or little green Martians! That's a codename I tell you! We do it all the time in C.O.R.P.O.R.A.T.I.O.N.! A must nowadays with all the corporate espionage, you understand. your last town post is the only post you mention Alakaslam. Where is the documentation? I missed it. I am a lowly fileclerk. I do not understand the magic you use to find Foolishness, to me he is but a ghost. Casper or ...? Upper management usually don't have my interest at heart. My gun will only go to Toadesstern or Raynepelikoneet. | ||
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It doesn't seem like anyone is actually in support of my vote count posts so I'm not going to do one. I've only seen like 2 ##vote XYZ from people (Toad, LS, and Robik) but most everyone has said it's a stupid idea. Maybe some of your guys' belief that this town won't shoot in less than an hour is possible. | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:31 IAmRobik wrote: WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT READ. HE LITERALLY JUST MADE A LIST POST FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING A LIST POST RIGHT BEFORE THE SHOT. WHAT SANDRO POINTED OUT IS 100% ACCURATE AND IT MAKES ME WANT TO SHOOT HIM EVEN MORE. DEFENDING HIM IS NOT A FUCKING SMART MOVE Seriously, Robik, LS does this type of thing all the time. It looks so bad, but he's going to flip town. | ||
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So, why isn't more people interested in what Batsnacks has to say about his shoot deadline actions? ie pushing for a shot to basically insure that someone was going to shoot. Like he really egged it on. I can't believe he did this from a towny perspective. | ||
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On March 04 2015 16:44 rsoultin wrote: also really not frigging sure what that hts/ows thing was all about. it was like...posts scummy...too scummy to be scum so clearly it was a trap and the most suspicious reaction was ows? if rayn is scum this game he's fooled me so kudos. robik I think is more likely of the two of them to be scum, and I'm kind of leaning town on him anyway. anyone got a read on SL? he's kinda feeling towny to me this game, and I'm not sure what to make of it cause usually I want to tunnel his ass so hard lol. does it really feel like him to not have a shot he wants to take, even with koshi mod-killed? I mean, usually he acts like he's the best player in the game Why do you think I'm not playing? I wasn't in the game, but I read one of Sickluckers scum games and the difference I thought was I was less irritated at him. He seemed more coherent and less crazy assed "plays". Imperial as town SL soft and hard claimed cop I think it was and it was such a ridiculously bad play it really turned the thread upside down. In Carol he was constantly talking presents and doing weird shit with Holyflare. He's been so agreeable this game. It's weird. No plays, no guys do this then we are in auto...or any crazy thoughts. Like every post makes sense on the first read. | ||
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On March 04 2015 17:03 rsoultin wrote: I'll reread your filter, Tube, but from what I recall most of your game presence was trying to organize a shot...something which is more towny to me than scummy, but not if you're not contributing much else lol. With the personalities in this game, a shot at deadline is kinda inevitable, but having people actively talking about it and taking stances was pro-town so I was happy to encourage it. Yeah that's kinda the vibe I'm getting. LS asked me if SL making sense is a scum tell, and I'm not sure that it is, but he really does make me want to stab things most times when he's town cause of all the crazy. Plus, I mean, not trying to shoot anyone doesn't feel like SL to me. He picked a player I consider to be clear town (geript) pushing a mostly undisputed shot (koshi) and championed that. Super safe play. Then had no one as a back-up. Ah, well outside of the plan I don't think I've done anything memorable either so I see where you are. I've never had so many town reads before with no real scum reads. I'm voting Batsnacks in the daytime as I think he's scum and for good reasons too. I think I'm too biased on Sicklucker to actually push any case on him. So, if I ever vote him it's because it's a sheep from one of my higher tiered towns. Sick is damned smart, and I remember him saying somewhere he wanted to change his D1 behavior so he can be lazy. Him not making plays sure qualifies as lazy by his standard if you want to call it that. So, he could really be town. Ugh. | ||
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On March 04 2015 17:11 rsoultin wrote: Lol I should have looked at your filter earlier. Rsoul does not approve of killing Tube tomorrow <3 Do you have an opinion on sepu or damdred, while I've got you in-thead. I've damdred to read next. But I can't think of anything he's done. He's not even listed under my notes he's so forgettable and I have Keirathi getting a "not a single thing" (although this was/is prior to the shooting and will change). Sepulchre I'm pretty certain I'm going to have some Tin Foil Hat theory on. I can feel it perculate. Most his thoughts seem "off". I'm assuming he's one of the veterans who have posted and complained about the spam in TL mafia games in that spam thread. | ||
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On March 04 2015 17:16 rsoultin wrote: Hm...in context YM was super active at the time of his post. I get what you're saying about his response after the flip, though...seems a bit strong for something he didn't seem to have a strong opinion about before the flip. This gave me -Celestial- flashbacks of that newbie game I lost for us. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:12 Toadesstern wrote: I am willing to bet VEs balls on this being fake. Lynch robik imo. Someone who really wants to shoot doesn't just get the name wrong. He sits there waiting with the text prepared making sure he gets his shot off. The shot robik did was faked and so is that post. | ||
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Robik is town, but I'm irritated with him. At least Rayne convinced people that Your Mom was not towny enough to avoid shooting. Robik and what Damdred were the only ones scumming LS. The rest of us were saying LS is town. Gah. | ||
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On March 04 2015 17:26 Onegu wrote: If he was faking that I'll give him a mafia award peronslly delivered. Yeah, Robik's rage was/is real. I'm sure he's still pissed. | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote: I honestly can't catch up with how the thread is speeding and interact at the same time I'm not going to try to take the shot I believe because of that. (I'm moderatly caught up) Geript, RS are really town, kit is as well. Your mom looks ok I think right now, Hts looks better. I'd shoot oneg or sand I think This is his most useful post. Then he says that he likes SL which probably means he's mafia. (probably where I got the idea from). Then he starts complaining about the quick pace of the game and how he can't catch up. Course, I think this is at least the third game I've read where he whines about that both as scum and town. | ||
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On March 04 2015 17:41 rsoultin wrote: Anyone specifically you want me to look at? I've been just sending people about looking into filters like little minions without asking where anyone else is lol I'm thinking a lot about Sandroba, and Keirathi. Maybe tell me what you think about Obiwan? Obi doesn't look like he's done anything but sadly every read he's made I agree with except he thinks Geript is top town while I think Geript is like 3rd top. So, yeah. Mafia absolutely has to have 1 or 2 in my town pile. It's just impossible to have this many towns. | ||
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On March 04 2015 17:44 sicklucker wrote: Dandred called me town and didnt do anything. Breske focused on one person I didnt find interesting (dont even know who it is) and did nothing Uh, Damdred was calling you mafia dude. | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:04 rsoultin wrote: sandroba was another I don't really have a read on yet if you've got thoughts on keir, I'd like to hear them, tube. also lol...in a game of so many players, the difference between top and third town is kinda miniscule bresh, I know you don't often get many scumreads day 1, but I personally don't mind townreads and reasons as much as other players seem to. can I get a spot check on where you're at right now? haha yeah I thought I was being really funny when I said Geript is my third towniest person. I've reread Keirathi like 3 times. I really really like his thought processes and questions of people. But I'm also realizing I need to reread again because I can't remember his reads. maybe it's because they're not listed, I'm assuming he's scumming Sepulchre and Batsnacks? Who is he interested in? | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:13 Tubesock wrote: haha yeah I thought I was being really funny when I said Geript is my third towniest person. I've reread Keirathi like 3 times. I really really like his thought processes and questions of people. But I'm also realizing I need to reread again because I can't remember his reads. maybe it's because they're not listed, I'm assuming he's scumming Sepulchre and Batsnacks? Who is he interested in? EBYOP: funny saying he was wrong to have Geript top town and not third | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:15 rsoultin wrote: Okay so I liked the beginning of OWS' filter, and even the post that sepu pointed out just because of how it developed and he had a tone townread on HtS early. This post though is probably one of my favorites, purely on tone, cause I completely felt the way he did in the second-to-last paragraph and honesty like that usually makes me think town. Plus he goes on to push for a bats shot a few times. Yes! Like I feel him and I are reading this game with the same pair of eyes. Although, he's not really posting much or pushing anything. Sadly, in my massive experience of 3 games of mafia, typically if someone had wildly different reads then I did that meant they were town... | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:20 Onegu wrote: Geript has correctly read me in every single game we have played together, yet he is scum reading me when I am town this game. Also normally I'll get scum tones from like half of a player list then focus on the heavier reads. This is why I will sheep a lot as town, I'll get scum tones from players then be ok to vote them if a vet pushes their lynch heavy. This game I'm just not seeing to much that is making my gut need some pepto. Again I haven't read closely at all just skimming. I kinda relate to the not enough gut churning, but you don't have 1 person you don't like? | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:22 Tubesock wrote: I kinda relate to the not enough gut churning, but you don't have 1 person you don't like? Oops I missed this. You mean Geript is mafia. Other reasonings? | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:24 Onegu wrote: Geript has correctly read me in every single game we have played together, yet he is scum reading me when I am town this game. + Show Spoiler + Also normally I'll get scum tones from like half of a player list then focus on the heavier reads. This is why I will sheep a lot as town, I'll get scum tones from players then be ok to vote them if a vet pushes their lynch heavy. This game I'm just not seeing to much that is making my gut need some pepto. Again I haven't read closely at all just skimming. Messed up the format in my last post. I read the bolded as you scumming Geript. Is there more to this? I fully expect mafia!geript to fool me. Like, I can't see a world where I would think he's mafia from his posting. I'll only believe it when he's still alive D3 or something. How do you read Geript? I could get behind a bats or brkshe lynch. Kita isn't exactly giving me gooey feelings either. Bats is the only person I am really willing to lynch. Sicklucker too I suppose. But why Breshke? I'm having trouble because I think we are mind melded. I do agree that Breshke hasn't really done anything. You have something new to add? | ||
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On March 04 2015 20:04 Mocsta wrote: Its pretty simple. I got the vibe that he is holding back. At the same time, when he posts, its quite relaxed. THATS THE CONNUNDRUM. Most people that try to post relaxed (as mafia) come across as try-hard. Not Batsnacks. I get: intentionally not contributing/withholding, but relaxed. ==> Potential samurai enemy or useless town. I'm giving him benefit of the doubt, and scratching useless town. I'm stuck on him pushing for a shot at the last minute. Basically, egging on one of the more zealous towns (Hi Rayne!/Robik!). Then he doesn't, like gah it just makes me mad. When you read it, what were your impressions? | ||
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On March 05 2015 03:38 geript wrote: @Kita. Regarding Tube. I had to go back and look at my summary of the Newbie game and his filter. On length it's about what I expect. He's under similar pressure in that game too IIRC. There are a few things that I note that are quite different. First, in the newbie game while his filter isn't great he has some real gems of insight here and there. Things that really show how he's thinking about the game. Not just the "If everyone's scumreading Shining" post but more like: Like it's a really interesting thought. But I'm not really seeing anything like that this game. That's pretty remarkable to me. This was after Rsoultin died N2, so of course I had more opinions than I do during N1 (after a shortened day...) Second, in the newbie game he's reasonably opinionated. Like he makes points on people and interacts a bunch. Like almost all of his posts are to someone. I'm going to try and be specific about this but his posts are to the person in relation to the conversation they are having in the thread at that time. Like there's an intended back and forth. Where as this game it's far more of posting at people. Like he's interested in saying something but not in actually conversing or having that back and forth. I've conversed with you and Rsoultin. More extensively with Rsoultin though. That newbie game was really slow and here a lot of people are talking, and I didn't feel I had anything to add. See my responses to your questions for instance. Third, I remember one of the heuristics used in Boardwalk revolved around who made plans and why. In Boardwalk, there were numerous plans based around picking numbers and what should be drafted where, etc. But I specifically remember someone talking about how mafia were more likely to propose a plan and just let it die. As I recall, I think it ended up getting a mafia lynched; I think it was part of why Gonzaw suspected Artanis. Either way, what I find interesting about his Votecount thing is that he doesn't really push it. He both likes and understands my "people cleared to shoot" list. But unlike, Rayn or me that game there was no constant revision in order to generate a better plan. There wasn't really any pushing for finding the best plan. It's more of a "I'm doing something plan but I don't really care about it." I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that no matter how much effort I put in for my plan that you, Rayne, Robik, AND Sicklucker would have followed it. Even Sandroba said he was going to shoot but it was early enough to be a possible reaction bait type comment. So, what would have been the point? Plus, several people were like the quote you posted below say "Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. ...you hiding behind that list." Fourth, This post: What I find interesting about this post is that finding reasons to call me mafia but doesn't push them. What's more important is he's both buddied me pretty hard at points and both before and after this calls me obvious town. Like that's really, really weird. You've done a lot of towny looking things. I think you'd be a bad shot D1 a bad lynch D2 if you survive the night. If you do survive say night 2 then I will relook at the scummy things you've done and weight them over your towny stuff. Why is it weird that I waffle on a guy who in a previous game said he had a 90% mafia win rate? Right now you're too useful to town to kill. | ||
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On March 05 2015 06:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yo has anyone considered the possibility of tubesock being a ninja? I think it's entirely possible. I wish. | ||
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On March 05 2015 06:16 Alakaslam wrote: Ain't got much time these days Update me real quick what has happened Geript got in another shitfest with Rayne because Rayne doesn't believe him. Rayn actually said legit things, while Geript was more fuck you motherfucker youre dumb. | ||
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On March 05 2015 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tubesock i am going to be honest with you. You just wasted your first shot. You need to decide whether to shoot sandroba or Damdred here. One of those is the other ninja, and geript is going to shoot you anyways tonight. Tough life, too little time. Use it wisely. I would never have shot Rsoultn. Like, she was pretty much my only ally who has any credit or standing. Last night we really worked together, shooting her drops my life expectancy don't you think? The others who think I'm town are Breshke and Slam. Not exactly ones who are going to be able to go toe to toe with you or Geript. | ||
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On March 05 2015 06:26 Alakaslam wrote: Sure use a shuriuken I don't care really. If you decide to leave me in activity should pick back up Friday. I really hope you stay. You're literally my favorite person on this website. Having you in this game is a bonus game just trying to figure out the game AND figuring you out. You're like this fantastic puzzle. I love it. | ||
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On March 05 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: what does this have anything to do with her being a ninja or not? Like if you think she is the other ninja do you leave here alive so you can never win the game or what? That didn't occur to me, I don't see how anyone thinks she was a ninja because she said something about 1 shot vs 2 shot shurikens and some vet said she's ninja. I don't understand how that's solid enough reasoning to think she's a ninja. I'd rather live longer and gain more information. | ||
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I think waiting on lynching Geript till D3 isn't a bad idea. He certainly seems obvious town. But again, he's supposed to have a 90% mafia winrate. So, yeah in no world will he actually look that scummy. 1. He started and egged on that fight early D1 with Raynepelikoneet. That fight made me town Rayne because he was able to say this is a wasteful fight without backing down. Geript get going, all about a previous game. Bigtime waste. 2. Being ok with Slam RNGing the lynch and rejecting my plan were both chaos favored. He mentioned a mayor type election which I could have gotten behind for theoretical time lengthening he never pursued nor pushed it. Because he knew that someone was going to shoot at deadline. He just didn't want town in control for a possible mafia hit. 3. Read Rayn's comments just before N1 ends. (I do think that a town!Geript would not forsee or be prepared for a modkill koshi and then not be ready to shoot but argue that amongst yourselves.) 4. While he pushes people like with Koshi, 2 of his cases are on low hanging fruit. Like Epiphany could not have had a worse entrance. Almost no one was townreading me (Slam, Breshke, later Rsoultin and finally Rayne). 5. I responded to his case, and he was around but he avoided me. I guess that's not that weird, but it makes me think of how mafiaHolyflare treated me in Carol. He would say something and then I'd respond and he'd vanish to come back to later fight with Sicklucker that game. 6. I'm probably missing it, but Geripts sole read is based on Raynepelikoneets willingness to town him. If he doesn't then Geript goes apeshit. Rayne who I thought has a reputation for being angry wasn't losing his cool at all. Geript never provided any facts against Rayne. Just F YOU! MFER!!! blah blah. | ||
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On March 05 2015 08:47 sicklucker wrote: Then your a moron. Im towning you because you tried to organize that garbage. Its enough to keep you over two guys who have not done anything that rayn called scum. Also he literraly just slipped and spewed us both town.... Toad scummed Sandroba also. I'm not sure what to think about that claim. Geript did say that he theorized that one of the spirits can insta read Sandroba and would grant him powers. Course, I'm suspicious of Geript and am fully aware that he would set up a play to have mafiamate Sandroba fakeclaim. Get's "confirmed" town for being "townread" by that spirit. WIFOM WIFOM but this shit is what makes my Tinfoil Hat Theories FUN! | ||
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On March 05 2015 08:55 sicklucker wrote: The claim is literraly a scum or a ninja slip "if he thinks im a ninja and wants to get me lynched which this check would do" Why are there not 15 votes on him? Now way. Geript is going to sweep in and be all "I TOLD YOU GUYS!!!! Here: On March 03 2015 09:04 geript wrote: Also. I'm pretty sure I have a foolproof way to read Sandroba. It's actually quite interesting. On March 04 2015 04:37 geript wrote: Ok so basically it boils down to 1 simple thing. Syllogism is in this game. There's literally no one in the world that has ever or will ever read Sandroba as well as Syllogism. So if we leave Sandro alive N1 and he doesn't receive a power, then we auto lynch him. If he does receive a power, we evaluate both his use of it and what power was given. Like it's complete win/win. and finish with "Bow to your Geript town master!" | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:02 sicklucker wrote: Ok so I didnt know spirits can buy roles for people. (THATS HOW YOU KNOW IM TOWN) Also we dont know Syllogism is even the town spirit so thats all speculation. I still think its fake and too convenient he gets a green check with a guy hes in a cell with. Which is another weird thing for Geript to say what he did about the magic Syllo read. Like we can't verify it. What's the most likely play? 1) Syllo IS town Spirit AND reads Sandroba AND gives him a power? 2) Sandroba sees what Geript said and goes "hmmm, I can cover for being kinda lurky, "check" another lurky player (didn't really even have to be in the cell but even luckier in cell) and turn this into a 2 person duel? 3) Geript doesn't have to be mafia in this but he sure helped this play. | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:12 geript wrote: Kiat Im surround by stupid poeplo an d mafia. Sav eme!!111 Then stop being an ass and try talking to people without saying how stupid they are. Tell me how my scenario is LESS likely than what you set up intentionally or unintentionally. Obviously this would heavily implicate you, but it's not at all impossible that you did it as town unknowingly. But then I think you've done other mafia things too so it adds to SCUMMY SCUM SCUMMY MAFIA. I'm pretty stupid as you can see, so you'll have to explain it in small words and short sentences. | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:50 sicklucker wrote: im thinking onegu is his partner tho. If we believe his claim its two mislynches instead of a mafia lynch because I dont think me or tube gets voted. There is only 1 mafia here per OP. There could be a ninja in here as well. | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:52 Fecalfeast wrote: incorrect, it says AT LEAST in both the OP and the day post I stand corrected. | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:56 Keirathi wrote: Just a heads up, I just got home and I have 2 midterms tomorrow. At the very least, I won't be around until much later tonight, but maybe now until I get home tomorrow. I'll try to get in here and catch up before bed, though. For what it's worth it's a cell today so you only really have to investigate 4 people. | ||
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On March 05 2015 10:07 geript wrote: Prolly tube. Tepted to vote SL baized on how often he role mafia. That's fine. Vote me and kill me, then when I flip you'll kill Sandroba or Geript. I'll happily die for this Tinfoil Hat Theory. | ||
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On March 05 2015 10:40 sicklucker wrote: Onegu if your town dont randomly believe your green check because its pretty sketchy I think Sandroba is either cop or a cop of sorts (mafia) + Show Spoiler + Best line ever, Art! | ||
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On March 05 2015 10:57 Breshke wrote: Could you explain why you don't think they could be mafia together? Also the mafia spirit can give roles and i assume it isn't anything like mafia vigis since then that is too much kp for mafia (I think) so it is probably something like framers or like a one time godfather. It is possible that something like this was used on onegu so i don't think he is confirmed town. Onegu could be mafia sure. I just feel it's unlikely. I think Sandroba thought about how he would claim if he was actual cop and had someone outside of the cell and when. If he had a check from someone inside the cell (I think Onegu is a good check honestly) then it's pretty simple to say he should claim immediately. The choice is then who to pick inside the cell. If he checked me then I would be "confirmed" then I'm untouchable essentially. If my suspicions are right on Geript from what I've posted previously in my filter, they can't confirm me as Geript would probably die. So, Sicklucker or Onegu. I guess that could be a toss up. Sicklucker is an easier misslynch I think than Onegu is. Maybe he thought Onegu was the toughest mlynch and figured might as well go for him. People think both SL and I are ninjas, so half the work is already done. | ||
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On March 05 2015 11:07 sicklucker wrote: Theres also the scenario where he faked the checked and onegus the mafia. It seems awful town favored to have more than 1 mafia in the cell. It's no different than a Palmer game where you can technically have all the mafia being the same role. It's more to help fakeclaiming stuff but he wouldn't put 4 vigi's in a game or godfathers or whatever. That's pretty cruel. | ||
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On March 05 2015 11:15 sicklucker wrote: Yes. Yes he is. AND ME AND TUBE FIGURED IT OUT. THAT MEANS ITS A FAKE CLAIM! dahdah! I don't think so. What I got out of that was Foolishness is on the #2 slot of the spirits, OP layouts are typically town then mafia, so Chezinu is saying Foolishness is the mafia one because he's the second listed. He's fishing to see what people say about it and talk about spirits nonsense. He's making a Cheznutraps or something. I don't see why it matters what spirit is what alignment. Like, it really doesn't matter for this claim. There is no relevance. Unless you think Chezinu is going to sweep in and verify Geripts set up. Like that's even far fetched for my Tin Foil Hat. | ||
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On March 05 2015 11:16 Fecalfeast wrote: So why do you keep talking to sicklucker about setup information when you have the easiest job? If you are town, figure out if sandroba is for real. With you in the cell and your belief that the green check is real (either by cop check or by TMI) you have 2 suspects: sicklucker, whom you keep talking to, or sandroba. Do you have reads on those players? It's not obvious what my read on Sandroba is? Did I not say Toad also scummed him? Is my vote also not on Sandroba? What is my theory saying if not that Sandroba is mafia? Do you seriously think I am not taking a FIRM stand that Sandroba is mafia? Seriously? | ||
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Are we playing the same game Fecal? | ||
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My answer is already in my filter. You going to hide behind your "check" and not help town by actually working? | ||
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On March 05 2015 11:45 Breshke wrote: This is going to go nowhere SL just says things to say things onegu. Tube imagine sandroba had not claimed. Who would you be voting? Probably Sicklucker. Onegu and Sandroba's filters are meh. I would be thinking more about Sandroba due to both Toad and Rayne scumming him. Hell, I think even Kita was too. Geript towned him. To me it is between an unclaimed Sandroba and Sicklucker. Sick because of what I've said before. I think he's making too much sense and not being crazy wild like normal. I expected some fake cop claim trap like in Imperial or something similiarly ridiculous that makes me pissed at him. He's so nice here...that makes me scared. But with Sandroba's sweep in and claim sweep out, with dead towns thoughts on him, my thoughts on Geript, like I don't see a world where I really move my vote from Sandroba. | ||
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On March 05 2015 11:53 sicklucker wrote: Im nice im nice!!!? I made koshi ragequit I told breske to stfu and I think I said that to someone else too. This is my town game bra If im nice to you its because I think your town Take nice as, you haven't done anything that makes me pissed at you for fucking up the thread. Like, it's nice to be in this game with you. I think this cell thing screwed your playing up. Being in another game as mafia you'll focus more on that and then basically do what you did here so far. I totally see that and think you can be town just because you haven't had time to perculate a play. It's kinda the same thing I think with my tinfoil hats. They don't just sprout, they need some folks to die before they can mature. | ||
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On March 05 2015 11:56 Breshke wrote: Can you tell me one read of sicluckers reads from D1. Like he was busy and it kind of makes sense to me because i think as mafia he actually provides content. I was agree with rayn that SL could have been a ninja and still am tbh the other ninja should just shoot him. Anyway i agree it should be between sandroba and SL,(even though onegu mafia, sandroba town is possible). I havn't really read sandroba at all though By the end of his second page he had at least 3 reads. | ||
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On March 05 2015 11:58 Onegu wrote: I'm here now aren't I? And I don't get this aversion to saying why you are town. Ill look in your filter regardless but I would still tell people why I am town. Like I am town because I claimed.town and I have a green check on me. See how that works? Now try the same. Because I've done far more work than you to further town agenda. I'm not particularly caring if you town me or not. I'm more interested in the folks outside the cell. Youve basically have a 33% chance of flipping scum if my theory is incorrect. | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:06 Breshke wrote: That's not what i ment. Like did you remember them or what he was pushing without having to specifically go look? I didn't and that isn't how town sicklucker plays. Oh yeah before I digged, I couldn't tell you a single thing Sicklucker has done. OTher than not being controversial. | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:14 Onegu wrote: Who cares, like I'm sure I'm not the only one who hasn't read you yet. So why not throw some people a bone. Anyway I'm leaning more toward SL than you at this point but still. You're confirmed town to me. But can you see how this attitude pisses me off? You're not the only one to do this as a lot of people do. Basically, you said a mafiaTube can just write some nice fluffy pretty response to you and you won't bother to check it to see if my past actions are towny or not. If you won't do this with me (especially in a cell with everyone in this cell having less than 5 pages of filter each) then you're obviously not doing it for anyone else. And people wonder why threads get toxic. | ||
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On March 05 2015 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + LightningStrike Half the Sky ObiWanShinobi batsnacks Tubesock Alakaslam Sepulchre Fecalfeast Breshke Onegu Damdred Toadesstern Oatsmaster Sandroba AT.Epiphany * sicklucker Mocsta geript * kitaman27 Kurumi Keirathi IAmRobik * undecided one of them is scum the other one is town. pretty sure sicklucker shot rsoultin. On March 05 2015 02:58 Toadesstern wrote: + Show Spoiler + rayn, anything you disagree with or want to add? I honestly don't really care all that much about mafia reads right now and am trying to go by PoE seeing as that your mom thing totally did not work out yesterday and we just have a crapton of people that are just nulls for me. Feel like we should focus on those guys atm, so: left out the other green tone for obvious reasons right now. They both scum Scum Sandroba and Batsnacks. At the ends of their filters they are both on Geript. Rayne is vocally asking why he ever towned Geript in the first place. Toadesstern doesn't scum Geript but he is visibly becoming frustrated with him. His last post says "Geript is doing stupid bullshit because who knows why". There's a world where Geript is town. I think that Raynepelikoneet, Toadesstern, and Geript were the top 3 towns at least as far as thread presence and visibility. They were clearly leading town. I think mafia killed the 2 most dangerous to mafia players. That means Raynepelikoneet and Toadesstern were the most correct. Geript towned Sandroba. cntrl+F Bats in Geripts filter. He mentions him twelve times. Twice he says he's on the sidelines not doing anything. A couple posts he is asking what are presumably his townreads about Batsnacks. Decide for yourself if he's actually scumming him. Now for my actual point. Pretend you're mafia. You get a cell with your member who is strongly scummed by the top two towns. What can you do? Sandroba doesn't claim, he fucking dies. How can he possibly live? Sicklucker spazzes out and gets out of lots of lynches. Onegu has a good reputation so has a very high probability of turning it on and avoiding the lynch. I'm a question mark though. But I'm also really confident that when you guys actually bother to read my filter you'll have the same reaction that Rsoultin did: On March 04 2015 17:11 rsoultin wrote: Lol I should have looked at your filter earlier. Rsoul does not approve of killing Tube tomorrow <3 Do you have an opinion on sepu or damdred, while I've got you in-thead. Tell me the tone of Rsoultins post isn't "Oh, all I thought you did was some setup talk and nothing else but obviously I was wrong. Now let's talk."? How the fuck does Sandroba who hasn't done jack shit compete with all that stuff? Claim cop. What's the real downside? Worst case is mafia 1 for 1's. They certainly can get a 2 for 1, but do you think that in how many real life days that would take that we would still think about Sandroba and not say other easy low hanging fruit like Epiphany? | ||
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On March 05 2015 17:31 Oatsmaster wrote: sandro like not lynching scum probably means hes scum. Im sure he knows that even getting nightkilled is worth playing properly. Tube, why didnt the doc save rayn or toad if they were obviously town? I doubt we have one. | ||
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On March 05 2015 17:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I assume we have 2 cop claims, im not going to read through 100 pages, I dont have time for that. So far Sandroba is an unCC'd Cop. | ||
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On March 05 2015 17:46 Oatsmaster wrote: He doesnt give a reason why he checked onegu, and as far as I understood, Sandro was never reading onegu as scum. He will have to manufacture one. I'm not harping on that point so much just because I think I could easily have checked Onegu if I had the cop power for a day. It's more that, Sicklucker, Onegu and I are not in positions where we need a miracle play to avoid a lynch if we were mafia. It would be a really bad idea for any of us to do it. But, seriously, with how much of the dead Towns have Sandroba on their list, how can he survive without something wild? Now would be the question what does he claim? Vet would be worthless and laughable. Doc? Well, there would be A LOT of discussion on why he didn't save Toad or Rayne wouldn't there be? To me Cop seems the safest with the payment of 1 less miss lynch. | ||
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On March 05 2015 17:56 sicklucker wrote: Breskes town because he knew I didnt make in thread reads on tube/rstoulin. Or did I? You're right about Sandroba not being a cop, just cop for a day/night whatever is what I mean when I say it. I think it's a temporary power. Which makes it an even easier fakeclaim. No more follow up checks to make up. | ||
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On March 05 2015 17:58 geript wrote: Or you know... we got powers, we used those powers. Like I don't get why sandroba getting a cop power would even be that surprising, especially if Syllo is town spirit. It's definitely possible you are right that Syllo IS town spirit AND has the god read on Sandroba AND decided to give him a power. Or Sandroba is claiming cop to survive. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:01 geript wrote: I'm really dumb dealing with the stupidity. It wouldn't even surprise me if one of Tube/SL is mafia and the other is ninja. Bring it. Let's dance. I'm perfectly happy turning this effectively into a duel between Sandroba and I. Vote me. You must still like your case on me. You should have more ammo by now. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:05 Onegu wrote: Here is the problem Geript one of the loudest people in the thread would be pushing my lynch so hard if I didn't have a green check, dead townies don't talk. I really believe sandaroba isn't the lynch, I would be if I didn't get a green check. And my play is really underwhelming this game I know so I am not sure I would have been able to save myself or not. I'm telling you it really doesn't make sense for him to fake a check on the person most likely to get lynched in this cell. If you are the least likely to get lynched then I would agree with you. But, I just find it hard to believe that you are. I honestly think you are the LEAST likely to be lynched here. I can't see how if you, Sick and I are town that you are actually the easiest mlynch. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point. It's really up to the thread to figure that out anyway. If you truly believe this is a true check, then you have to think I'm mafia. I'm doing a desparate play to survive. SL is just being SL. He's not mafia. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:01 geript wrote: I'm really dumb dealing with the stupidity. It wouldn't even surprise me if one of Tube/SL is mafia and the other is ninja. You built a case on me that you later said: On March 05 2015 10:16 geript wrote: I like my cs ein tube. Which tell me isn't "drunk" text for "I like my case on tube." But now "it wouldn't even surprise me if one of Tube is mafia.", I would be more "FUCK YEAH THIS GUY IS MAFIA!!! KILL WITH FIRE!!!!!" | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:13 Breshke wrote: I find it really weird that you are totally over suspecting SL. Like yes some of his more recent activty has looked good but his D1 and "D1 reads have been retarded because he apparently posted like only 1/4 of his thoughts. Also Geript/Mocsta if you could say what your device action was that would be great probs wont be important but ehh What do you mean? I've been really wishywashy on SL. The only thing I said about him that is scummy is he's not pissing me off which scares me. Now I think he's not mafia because I refuse to believe there are two mafia in this cell. Sandroba is the only one. | ||
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Why are you not coming at me like you did with "fucking stupid Epiphany". Like now you can't talk to a stupid person but you could earlier when you were talking to Epiphany? You're just like HolyFlare in Carol. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:21 Oatsmaster wrote: It doesn't make sense for scum sandro to confirm such a player as town though. Onegu is a complete possible mislynch. And scum sandro will claim better. OK. I'm thinking it's sl right now, his tone sounds a lot like it was at the end of office when he was scum too. I would like to talk about this. Why do you think Onegu is more of a misslynch possibility than Sicklucker or I? Before these day started I had like 4 people saying I'm town. Two of them were being scummed by several people. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:23 AT.Epiphany wrote: Tubesock, why do you "refuse to believe there are 2 mafia in the cell?". One is literally guaranteed and if you randomly choose 3 people from the remaining 18 or so, there's a pretty decent probability another one might be mafia. OP says it's possible. But that would mean there is a 50% chance of landing on mafia and that's fucked up. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:27 Oatsmaster wrote: He could just claim a check on someone not in the cell. The point was not that he faked a claim within the cell, it was that he could've faked a different claim. Someone that doesn't look town now but will easily avoid being lynched. yes, that's certainly possible. I'm going to look to see if there is someone else he could have logically checked. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Blah I'm not sure if that made sense but sandro could've chose anyone to fake a claim on and he faked it on someone that is up for lynch today and a possible mislynch is a bit too much for me to swallow. Also, I already talked about this: On March 05 2015 11:05 Tubesock wrote: Onegu could be mafia sure. I just feel it's unlikely. I think Sandroba thought about how he would claim if he was actual cop and had someone outside of the cell and when. If he had a check from someone inside the cell (I think Onegu is a good check honestly) then it's pretty simple to say he should claim immediately. The choice is then who to pick inside the cell. If he checked me then I would be "confirmed" then I'm untouchable essentially. If my suspicions are right on Geript from what I've posted previously in my filter, they can't confirm me as Geript would probably die. So, Sicklucker or Onegu. I guess that could be a toss up. Sicklucker is an easier misslynch I think than Onegu is. Maybe he thought Onegu was the toughest mlynch and figured might as well go for him. People think both SL and I are ninjas, so half the work is already done. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:33 AT.Epiphany wrote: Except it would be a violation of the game rules if he ensured only one was mafia. The rules specifically state players will be randomly nominated. I disagree but this point is completely irrelevant to my theory so what's the point? | ||
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If someone had a cop check on someone and ended up in a cell with them it's an absolute no brainer to claim like Sandroba did. If the check was outside, wouldn't you claim differently? You guys already kinda thought the claim was too casual as it was. Plus, hell I'd gamble that Onegu who hasn't really been motivated to play wouldn't be further motivated with a green check. Now you just have to fight against 2 people instead of 3. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:46 Breshke wrote: yeah but onegu not being motivated to play would be good for a scum sandroba Also there is definitely more risk. By our own accord you are thinking onegu was confirmed so that means its 1/3 instead of 1/4 of sandroba being lynched. Well, I think though that Onegu being on the lynch table would be motivated to play. Then it makes it harder for Sandroba. If Onegu has a check, wouldn't he be less motivated to play? Just like Robik just now who saw he wasn't in the cell and said he'd be back in 3 days? The risk is motivated Onegu vs unmotivated but forever town confirmed Onegu? Plus, he can be shot at night and that makes it easier for Geript to rationalize him surviving nights. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:52 geript wrote: Yes. Because mafia want to create a lynch between 3 people instead of 4 people. Especially when the person they're removing someone from the possibility of being lynched. Like it's really ridiculous to me. People get powers. We know this. I know that either someone RB'd me or that Sepulchre is not town because I shot his ass last night. Like Sandro claiming a greencheck on an easy mislynch when he's mafia is pretty insane. Like really insane. Like I can't believe that Artanis would be a Bastard host and have 2 mafia in the group. I think he just worded it that way because he wanted to be able to include ninjas. Like so far only 2 people have claimed getting powers, Me and Sandro. Kita's response probably means he got a power too. I'm guess he got medic because that makes the most sense overall. I don't think it's that insane. I think it's the only sane play he could make. If Sandroba doesn't claim he dies. Even if he were town he was going to die. How could he survive that many dead town scumreads on him? You think no one is going to pick up on that? That you towned him while Rayn and Toad scummed him? Sicklucker constantly survives to endgame. Onegu is well respected and I think probably tougher to lynch in a cell than any of us in here. That leaves me. I had 4 people towning me, but lots of nulls. I literally think it's more possible that he's town fakeclaiming than he is real. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:55 geript wrote: You are literally either fucking stupid and so confirmation biased that you're literally crafting each and every idea specifically just so you can call him mafia or you're just mafia and can't think of anything else to say. You best get the KY. Because I'm going to rip you a new one after I watch starleague. Promise? | ||
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On March 05 2015 19:08 geript wrote: Only play? Like there are a billion different plays he could make. Hell, he can red check anyone outside the cell. He can get hard bussed for cred. He can check a partner. He can play like he did in Catastrophe and be really uber towny and not get lynched until like d9. Like there's lots of options for him to take if he's mafia. Like a million different options. Why would he as a good player take the absolute fucking worst line of play physically possible. Like there is 1 play that you do not take as mafia in this situation. And that's the exact play that Sandro made. THE EXACT PLAY. Explain how a vet who's good, really good and spent his last mafia game completely unnoticed until he gave up because all his team got lynched and he was tired of trying to keep playing. Explain how Sandro can as mafia take the absolute worst fucking line of play possible. Like that's the thing that caught me off guard early on. You're right. There are other plays. This seems to me to be the best. I've said multiple times already why. So, show that I'm scum or ninja then. You are saying that Sicklucker might be scum over me? But then earlier you said it would be better to lynch ninja. So, why are you not pushing me? Instead of saying how stupid I am. | ||
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I am a mere file clerk with aspirations of promotion. I, however, am puzzled and lack understanding while reading documentation concerning Sepulchre and Mocsta. Would you be willing to mentor me for a moment? Yours Truly, Tubesock | ||
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On March 06 2015 03:30 IAmRobik wrote: I know geript sucks at this game, but is he likely to be 100% wrong on everything as mafia or town? I have another question. Is there a significance to Geript pushing Koshi (no case, but talking about him a lot and one liners) vs building a long case on someone? He's right about me and confirmation bias. I'm pretty stubborn. But should I think it's weird that he's put a big case on me, thinks its a good case, yet now he's just attacking my "stupid" theory? | ||
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Thank you so kindly for your words, attention and help. I wish that I were great to have foreseen that this committee I am in is going anywhere but west. I thank you for your candid warning on that matter and wisdom to see the larger picture. Unfortunately, I spilled coffee on my Sepulchre documentation and now it is clouded and tainted from paperwork on another. This other I trusted but no longer. He stole my stapler. I want my stapler. He won't give me my stapler. I agree with employee Mocsta. He rejected my powerpoint, yet later agreed with the very foundation of it. The very building block of my presentation. No consideration otherwise. The Unseen, The Unknown, he is considering. He is investigating. He cares. Others too. Not Mocsta, no not at all. Thank you for your attention. I hope we speak again. Your loyal file clerk, Tubesock | ||
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On March 06 2015 10:32 sicklucker wrote: Oh ya kurimis mafia. You are 1000% wrong. | ||
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I would like a moment to speak to you. I recently had an epiphany moment after conversing with my CEO. I have stumbled upon some documentation that implicates FecalFeast as your enemy ninja. These are suspicions, but as today I have compiled my reports and presented them and am awaiting feedback and questions, I have some time to ask you a request. Please review Fecalfeast's filter. There are numerous ninja type references, there are several Rsoultin interactions that appear strange to me. I feel Fecal is searching for information that do not tell him if she is town nor mafia. After some time, Rsoultin is dead by shuriken. Then Damdred dies by shuriken also. I suspect you killed Damdred, but I find Fecalfeasts reaction odd. Maybe you understand it more. Then later after I published my report, Fecalfeast showed that he really didn't care at all about town. But he was searching for something in me. We recently lost a great employee Raynepelikoneeet you see. Rayne believed that I, Tubesock the fileclerk, is a ninja. Ha! The Unseen, The Untouched, The Unthought. But alas, I am not so crafty or invisible. Please, review Fecalfeast with some of these in mind, and if you believe Fecal to be like you, please murder him. I believe this will be a great success for town. I also, believe that time is of the essence, as we are all about to die. Sincerely, Tubesock | ||
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I apologize, for being so confirmation biased. While, I am too stubborn to think you are town I will try to be less forceful and difficult for you to deal with. As I said, it is possible for you to be town and my Tin Foil to still be correct. | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:17 geript wrote: Tube. You really make me want to bang my head against the table endlessly. I take that as a compliment! | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:35 geript wrote: Why do you believe so heavily in this tin foil hat theory? Like I really don't get it. Like do you really think that Town only gets 1 power role on N1? I'm thinking people are not claiming, or there simply were no power roles given. I simply don't believe Sandroba's claim. It has nothing to do with how many power roles are available. | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:42 sicklucker wrote: We dont have complete information but I can and have given you many scenarios. 1. He green checks onegu to look scummy if his plan fails. Thus insuring a 1for1 trade which is good since he was the likely lynch. 2. They are partners The fact is sandro was the lynch regardless of the claim and her best option was to claim. You have to ignore the claim and see the player. And that player is doing nothing compared to two obvious towns. Onegu is not mafia. No way. That's like less possible than monkeys flying out my ass singing Danzig songs. | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:44 geript wrote: That quite frankly is absolutely retarded. There is literally 0 reason for people not to have claimed what powers they got and what powers they used. Like not as any alignment. Literally 0 reason. There's literally 0 reason to think that in a setup with 6 mafia (with 2 KP) and 2 3P (each with 2KP) that town only gets 2 roles. Maybe some roles went to Rayn/Toad. Maybe. Like no one has claimed a RB on me. No one's claimed a vest hit. No one's claimed a medic use. At most so far, Town could have gotten 4 roles. Which is at least 2 fewer than I would expect on N1. Probably 3 fewer considering how mafia favored the lynch mechanics are in general. So why on god's green earth aren't people claiming these powers 1, why didn't they use these powers 2 and where in the fuck are all the roles we're missing? I'm thinking there are different abilities, no reason to think that traditional roles in such an untraditional game are neccessary. And honestly, I don't care about how many roles there are. Kithaman27 seemed to care. Talk to him about it. It has absolutely zero bearing on what I think. | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:50 geript wrote: Like that would be some really crazy ass shit. Late in the game, I coudl maybe. MABYE 2 mafia in a cell. But even then that's a big maybe. Like it's insanity now. For the record, Sicklucker is the only person who thinks there are 2 mafia in here. I've said many times there is only 1 and it is Sandoba. | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:53 geript wrote: Why do you think that there are non-traditional roles in this game? I got vigi. We have normal assassin roles. Like why would you think that? Oh, you're assuming I believe your claim. | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:56 geript wrote: I don't even know what to say. Like why would I lie about being a vigi as any alignment? Please tell me. Please tell me. I absolutely will tell the thread. But it's not quite important yet. But you really think that we need vigis with 2 2kp Ninjas? Someone talked about it earlier and I don't remember them considering non ninja vigis in the game. So, feel free to attack my idea as it's more dangerous to mafia than finding who the mafia is in this cell. | ||
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On March 06 2015 17:07 geript wrote: I'm trying to fucknig understand why you believe such bullshit. And needing Vigis with 2kp Ninjas. Yes. Ninjas aren't trying to shoot mafia. Hell some people will just shoot indiscriminately into reasonable targets. Which more often than not will be town. Ninjas are not town aligned. They're far, far more closer to mafia aligned than anything else. Like when all 4 shuriken get shot, then guess what happens. They claim. Because there's literally 0 reason for them not to claim. They just don't want to get lynched and will try to side with whoever wants to help them the most. Ask Kita. In Demon's run he was 3P and he and I and Austin (my mafia partner) made a shaky alliance so that we had a chance at winning. 3P are in no way town aligned. They're heavily anti town. Super heavily anti-town. So yes, in a setup with 6 mafia and 2 3rd party then yes, town needs a way to cull the chaff and/or kill mafia. Like with out such, by the end of N2 in a what 26 person setup there's like 7 town going to be dead at least most likely. If not 9-10. It can easily be MYLO on D3. So yes, town needs roles to help figure shit out. Ok. Look, I'm sorry but you're talking to a brick wall on this. I don't understand how the balance to the killing power is other types of roles. I also will say again, I really don't care. Even if I think there should be 5 vigi's for balance, I still don't believe your claim nor Sandroba's. Like, you're not even thinking about scum, you're arguing with an idiot instead of finding mafia. While I was gone, you came back with how towny I am. What happened to liking your case on me? | ||
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I don't understand how the balance to the killing power isn't by other roles/abilities. | ||
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On March 06 2015 18:12 Breshke wrote: Good answer. Tube i want to let you know that I don't think it is possible for sandroba AND geript to be mafia. You need to reconsider or explain how you think town got 0 PR's D1. I have said several times that it's possible that Geript is town. Everyone is acting like we are guaranteed to have tons of blue powers every day. Like, why doesn't anyone think it's more than minusculely possible that the spirits didn't hand out any traditional blue role powers? What if there are powers that the spirits have to gain information and then they can spend points to mason with a player? I'm not seeing the value in discussing what the amount of power roles are. People think that since no one has claimed that there was only 2 powers given. Well, shit there could really only have been 2 powers given. Sandroba could actually have given a cop check power. Geript could have actually been given a bullet. I think if Sandroba is cop, then that would make Sicklucker mafia. If Sicklucker was mafia, he'd know that the cop check was real and have absolutely no choice but to attack me and go balls out on me or counter claim. So, I guess you'd have to ask yourself what play you think is more likely for Sicklucker to do in that situation. Attack me, or side with me and hope you guys believe my idea. How hard would it be for Sicklucker to discredit my idea and crush me as a liar? Really, I think there are only 2 people in this game that thinks Sandroba fake claimed. Both of us are in the cell. Is Sicklucker confident enough to overcome that over attacking me with the help of Geript? | ||
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On March 06 2015 18:12 Breshke wrote: Good answer. Tube i want to let you know that I don't think it is possible for sandroba AND geript to be mafia. You need to reconsider or explain how you think town got 0 PR's D1. Why exactly? | ||
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On March 06 2015 19:12 Breshke wrote: I personally think you have looked far more townie than sandroba has so your thing about sicklucker doesn't really make much sense to me. Like i get what you are trying to say but i don't agree. There is value in discussing power roles. I refuse to believe that town got 0 power roles given to them from the spirit and are not claiming them. Even if it was something like you said a mason chat, that person can still claim it. Geript is basically confirmed town.to me I know his shot didn't go off but why claim vigi as mafia when you could just hide it or if he didn't receive it why claim it in the first place. I realised i really can't be bothered trying to explain this because geript basically has. Your 4 vest theory is probably wrong because rayn or toad didn't receive one. It is fairly disheartening that so few people outside the cell seem to care but im sure stuff will probably pick up tonight while im asleep. I've got family over soon so ill be popping in and out the 4 vest thing is just an example. I'm just saying it could be anything. There are far more possibilities that we could have no idea about. In my theory I said that Geript could have unknowingly set up the Sandroba play. I've said repeatedly that it's possible that Geript is town. I don't think so for things I posted before the night ended when freaking Rayne got me all worried a ninja was going to kill me. Rayne was scumming Geript hard. With that I saw that Sandroba, independently of Geript, if he were mafia would easily fakeclaim in his position. He probably saw what Geript said about Syllo and the soulread. I also think that Geript is smart enough to probably have kept more quiet about it. Why not breadcrumb or leave it at the first time he said he had an interesting way to read Sandroba? Wouldn't that be better if Geript were town? Wait to see if he does it and then boom! reference his post he mentioned it and explain. He basically helped Sandroba get the fakeclaim idea or set up the play. I think he did it deliberately for whatever reason(s). He very well could have just done it as town too. It doesn't really matter too much about Geript being town or mafia now. Mafia won't let him live if he is town. Not with random possible roles flying about. | ||
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On March 06 2015 19:17 Fecalfeast wrote: Do you have evidence that says sicklucker always goes for the smartest play as mafia? Does he never try to WIFOM? You're saying that since sicklucker isn't going after you he is town which makes sandroba the fake cop? You're a ninja. Sandroba is the fake cop and because Sicklucker isn't going after me makes Sicklucker town or possibly ninja. During my Tinfoil Hat Theory I thought Sicklucker was ninja. But I don't any longer. Sicklucker had 0 bearing on what I thought of Sandroba. | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:53 Onegu wrote: Ugg I just don't see why a scum sandroba checks/fake checks me as green? Like why not red check someone out of the cell? That way it's at least a 2for 1... And then depending on what lynch catgories come up it could be days before his check flips. Letting him live on a cop claim. Just doesn't make sense for a scum in my cell to give me a green check, when one of the most vocal players (Geript) would be pushing for my lynch. Let's say we are about to start another mafia game. You roll mafia, and you decide you are going to play the town leader type meta. What are some things you need to survive? | ||
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IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated. Compare Geript. Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town. | ||
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On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia. Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas. Geript not even considering any of them does. | ||
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That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell. My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote: wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check Why haven't you mentioned that earlier? Why are you not voting yet? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:07 geript wrote: How about that town only got 1 role on N1? Yah, that's pretty crazy. How about non-standard roles? I know I got an exceptionally standard role. So yah, that's pretty crazy. How about that Sandroba as mafia greenchecks the easiest mislynch in the pod? Also crazy. How about that I'm lying about getting vigi role? Well I did. Suck it. Also crazy. How about that town spirit didn't give anythign at all away? Saving up without spending on a medic is absolutely insane. What I don't see from you is anything but saying how crazy and dumb my thoughts were. You repeatedly go back to that. Yet your lynch pool is Sicklucker and I. Shouldn't it be fairly simple to differentiate from 2 bad towns and look at intent and motivation? Look at Robik. He thinks I'm bad. He ignores everything I write, but is investigating things outside of me. You somehow are stuck talking to a donkey and not investigating. What are you gaining from this? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:22 Half the Sky wrote: Tube I have a question for you, since you're in thread now. Why are you ignoring the mechanics now? You said in that game and I see it here too, you don't want to deal with mechanics. (I'll admit I ignored them before Kita posted them after I went to bed last night.) You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped? I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise. Mostly, it's to keep things more simple. This game is no different than poker. Things are probabilities. It's funny, it's basically exactly like Jarjarbinks approached the game when I murdered him. I murdered him because he wasn't thinking deep enough about is %'s and not doing the common sense testing. Like he had just wildly weird numbers for some of the people. Here, I think the probability of the world that Syllo would give Sandroba a role and everyone being town far less than MafiaGeript decided at the beginning of the game that he's going to make some plays. He's going to float out that Syllo soul reads Sandroba, get a vet to confirm it's not impossible before they die, and have mafiaSandroba fakeclaim cop. Fakeclaiming cop gives mafia a reason to kill Onegu at night. This implies that mafiaGeript only needs to find one other reason that he survived Night 2 while mafia killed 2 towns. The risk is that Onegu flips ninja (why I was hoping Onegu is ninja and I cased Fecalfeast) and then we realize an absent Sandroba is mafia. Onegu flipping ninja is what a 1/8 chance without even thinking about who could be. If they thought about who could be they could make the odds better in their favor that Onegu would flip town. if Sandroba is mafia it is more likely to me that he would fakeclaim knowing town would most likely spare him at least a day. AND he can continue to pack for his US trip without worry of dying and hurting mafia. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:22 Half the Sky wrote: Tube I have a question for you, since you're in thread now. Why are you ignoring the mechanics now? You said in that game and I see it here too, you don't want to deal with mechanics. (I'll admit I ignored them before Kita posted them after I went to bed last night.) You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped? I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise. Haha sorry I didn't actually answer your question. The mechanics don't affect my train of thought. It doesn't matter to me or change the situation if there are 5 roles given, no roles given or if Geript is lying or telling the truth about his shot. Sandroba could actually be telling the truth about the cop check, it still doesn't change the play. If Sandroba IS cop and DID check Onegu and he is mafia, then Onegu is a super safe nightkill and excuse for town leading mafia to survive. Probability speaking, I don't think that all the mafia are the lurkers or baddies. That's silly. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:35 geript wrote: Syllo soul reading Sandro is not me floating an idea. It's fucking true. It was fucking surprising to everyone in Catastrophe that Sandro got Syllo to townread him. Oh and btw, Syllo died before he could correct that view. Like any vet around here fucking knows that those two guys know each other really, really, really well. Every vet knows that Palmer and Marvellosity are also soulmates. How long did it take to Palmer to figure out Marv in Imperial. You're saying it's 100% read chance. How long has it been since Syllo has played? Sandroba? If they were constantly playing I could buy that it's a 100%. I've only been here since around December, I haven't seen them play. You're saying that a 100% everytime is absolutely true, but not a single point I have made has any possibility of being true. What's your motivation to think that? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:39 sicklucker wrote: Lynch hts and slam with fire in future days. Hts in particular is really digging deep for dirt on me. I don't know about Slam yet, but you are 100% wrong on HtS. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:43 geript wrote: Palmer and Marv are not soulmates. They've misread each other a number of times. Hell I even used Marv's own heuristic in Russian to get him to ignore Palmer all together before we killed Marv. Rayn helped back me up on it and everyone bought it. The two are nothing like Syllo/Sandro. Marv/VE used to be soulmates. But that was a long time ago, roughly around when I started played. Me and Rayn used to be soulmates; now he can't read me for shit. But Syllo/sandro are 100% soulmates still. I'd buy 50/50 sure. Hell even 80%, but seriously 100%? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:47 geript wrote: Yah, because Syllo died as he began thinking Sandro was mafia. So here, Syllo got a 100% soulread by the end of Day 1? and how many months ago was this game? 100% soulread is true, but all my idea have 0% to be true....really? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:53 geript wrote: Yah, because your ideas are literally either posted as complete distractions or you're fucking insane. Either case is so anti town you are a giant pussy for not voting me and going full bore on me. Like townGeript would rip me to pieces. You know I am right. That is why you haven't done shit to me. | ||
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You fucking started talking about how we should kill a ninja first. You hunt ninja. WHY? Look at the non obvious towns. Kurumi, Sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Batsnacks, me (who Rayne thought was ninja along with Obi), Oats, Onegu, Sepulchre, Slam, and Obi. I bet you thought about the odds of each of those players to flip ninja. Mafia QT probably decided Onegu was a safe bet, plus they could WIFOM how stupid it would be to fake a cellmate. More importantly, they need to protect against a 1 v 1. Getting a cell containing Sandroba was unlucky on mafia's part. Mafia needs to reduce the odds of a claim flipping ninja. The claim also has to be believable. Yet, you refuse to believe that there is a chance that none of the top towns are mafia, that all of them are bad or lurky. And also that if one of the top towns IS mafia then they are too stupid to know they have to plan to have an excuse they lived past night 2. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:02 geript wrote: AFAIK. 1. Only Toad/Rayn scumread him. And Rayn's been fucking insane this game. + Show Spoiler + 2. Ok. Please explain how this is exactly his meta. Because I 100% know that you haven't actually meta'd him. You're literally just completely going based on what other people who have actually read his scum games have said. 3. Onegu was the obvious vote pre-claim. Like really fucking obvious. A guy who IIRC by your standards was also scumread by Toad/Rayn. 4. Sure Claims mean nothing this game in particular. But town only getting 4 roles on N1 would be insane. 5. Town spirit doesn't know the alignment of Sandro. True. So what. Doesn't mean that they can't figure out his actual alignment by you know, reading him. Like let's not forget 6: WHY IN THE FUCK DOES MAFIA SANDRO GREEN CHECK ONEGU THE MOST OBVIOUS LYNCH IN THE FUCKING LYNCH POOL? LIKE WHY DOES MAFIA SANDRO GREEN CHECK THE EASIEST PERSON TO LYNCH IN THE FUCKING CELL? Like neither you nor Tube are doing anything other than saying, "Oh he does it so he can live for 1 more day. Oh it helps keep KP and shit." Bullshit. Mafia does not remove the person who's at least as likely if not more likely to be lynched from within the cell. LET ME REPEAT. MAFIA DOES NOT REMOVE THE PERSON WHO IS MOST LIKELY TO BE LYNCHED IN THE CELL FROM THE FUCKING LYNCH POOL Like that's what Tube/SL are trying to push. That's the insanity of all of this. Like Onegu who we know has an honest opinion on this even fucking said it. Yet both Tube and SL are completely fucking ignoring this entirely. Liar. Rayne towned Onegu in his last list with the only revision concerning me being ninja. Toad, had Onegu as blank white in his excel sheet he posted. Rayne played well enough to get NK'd over you. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:28 geript wrote: Point 1. Complete fail. Confirmed townies are #3 on the list of people to kill. Always #3. Below Roles and people who are able to read the game well and push lynches. Like this is insane. Point 2. I've already explained this. Ninjas on D1 are worse for town than mafia are. It's counter intuitive, but if you remove a Ninja on D1, then you remove 3 KP that is very likely to hit town from the game. That's far more than you get from hitting mafia on D1. Point 3. That's a big list of people who are quite likely to be mafia. GJ if you're town because you're a retard if you believe this shit. Point 4. WAT? Point 5. I think that there are "top town" who could be mafia. Like Robik only started posting after I bugged him. He's also a good enough player to be "salty" after not getting his shot. He's also done reasonably little and isn't following any sort of common sense read that I've seen him use in video mafia. I just don't fucking care to talk about them today because there's literally no point in that right now. I can't lynch Robik today. Kita could be mafia. I really haven't bothered looking at his filter since D1. 10 suspects in a game with 8 nontowns is big? So, everyone should have only 8 suspects with full confidence in 100% accuracy? And funny that's not a town looking for mafia list. thats a mafia looking for ninja list. Outside of the claim people think Sandroba is mafia. Both nk'd towns died scumming Sandroba. But you're fighting and not considering that those people were correct. And if you die along with one of those I would suspect the remainder of being mafia. But they are not showing any indications that they will be saved somehow. You however are "towny" enough to have been given a gun by presumably the town spirit. You are already preemptively providing excuses for how you live. Robik and Kita are not even thinking about that. | ||
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hahaha that's awesome. I like my ride. I'll get some fuzzy dice for the mirror. You're still not pushing to kill me. I'm clearly being a huge distraction and am trying my best to kill a uncc'd cop power guy who is clearly town. I have to be mafia. There is like no other possible explanation. 100%. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:47 geript wrote: I'm not pushing to kill you because I don't think you're mafia. Hence the short bus. So Sicklucker is 100% mafia. 100%. that's 100%. there are 3 types of people in this world. Those you can count and those you can't. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:03 sicklucker wrote: Well kurimis mafia. I think hes the most obvious mafia in the game atm. He even might have scum slipped You're wrong. 1000%. You have put in 0 effort to read him. you have no idea what he is saying. If you did, you can't possibly think he's mafia. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:10 sicklucker wrote: I dont want to understand what hes saying if his logic is to kill the green check and not the person claiming the green check He explains it in ways. I was tempted to follow suit. I tried something else instead. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:10 sicklucker wrote: I dont want to understand what hes saying if his logic is to kill the green check and not the person claiming the green check Also, if you understood what he's really saying, then you'd understand what he's really doing and what that really means. In any case, he's not getting lynched anytime soon. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I really don't know who to vote. This is a problem. Maybe if you posted some questions some of your town reads would comment and help you reach a conclusion. Maybe break it down to a decision tree. Check is real? No, then vote Sandroba. Yes, then who is more mafia Tube or SL? Vote more mafia. Or even less protown. What's the struggle? | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:37 Half the Sky wrote: Fuck my life. The mechanics, I just don't even. I'm switching. If sicklucker is town, I seriously am going to hate you all. Better not me, I think Sicklucker will flip town. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:37 Half the Sky wrote: Fuck my life. The mechanics, I just don't even. I'm switching. If sicklucker is town, I seriously am going to hate you all. I tried to explain to you that the mechanics don't matter. Mechanics can be abused and are definitely WIFOM. Would it be better to have a situation that is true regardless of the mechanics or one that relies on some being X and not Y? | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:41 sicklucker wrote: Ok im positive Sandroba is mafia now considering how close this vote is. The bad news is I think im going to lose Sorry bud, you're dying. There are two mafia on the Sandroba wagon that can switch to kill you. Let me guess the reason: Oh well I thought more and thought of course that is a true claim! It has to be! Mechanics! | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:46 kitaman27 wrote: You know what's funny? I did flip a coin earlier in the day and it told me to vote sandroba. I'm going against fate here XD I'm actually ignoring the cop check here. I think the cop check is legit, but a town spirit can give a role to any faction and I think sandroba probably claims the check as any faction. I know he didn't follow through, but sandroba claiming to shoot at the start of day one is a high risk policy as scum. sandroba is the type of player willing to make high risk players though which is why I'm back and forth so much. SL got really worked up after the cop check. I'm wondering if he felt that he would lose straight up against tube which is why he went strong against sandro. The whole "I didn't know about roles in this game so I'm town" thing still bothers me. As town your posts are genuine, but as mafia you can lose track of what you've said earlier. meh at least the deadline is interesting this cycle This post is why Kithaman27 is Chairman of C.O.R.P.O.R.A.T.I.O.N. | ||
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On March 07 2015 06:47 Breshke wrote: for clarity it probably makes most sense for you to actually name them Mocsta and Oatsmaster. Course it's possible Fecalfeast will do some weird assed yolo leap. But I've already said what I think of Fecal. | ||
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But I'm wrong on the ninja's. That would have been so rad. | ||
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Do you really believe that Sandroba wouldn't fakeclaim to save himself? Isn't only having 2 claimed "roles" instead of 5 or 4 or whatever just as likely that there are 0? Is your assessment of the odds that Sicklucker and Sandroba being mafia are equal and that the claim is the tiebreaker? | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:03 sicklucker wrote: Its acualy insane how easy this game is from my pov. Now that hts switched to her obvious mafia side everyone voting the other guy is kind of a town read like heres who I think mafia is. The pretty likelys Hts - For sure like that late switch mafia sees they need the number. Im also getting a tone read from her. Shes mad/frusterated at me. She has no reason to be. She gets really annoyed when shes under presure as scum Ive seen it firsthand. Slam - His mind was made up before he made a post. He never considered other worlds other then the cop is real because he said so Sepulchre - I ignored him because I thought he was confirmed ninja. Dont remember anything hes said and he also blindly followed the cop. Did not even participate left his vote early and peaced. Oatsmaster - Holding his vote to the last possible second and keepin his options open. I dont like it since this is basically a deul between a town and mafia Kurumi - Going by meta on what ive been told hes mafia when he trolls. There was also that weird thing where he singled out a certain player as the mafia spirit "mafia knows who there spirit is town does not" The fact hes wasting his vote in the most absurd manner confuses me. If onegus mafia that means soramis mafia so why not just vote sorami? why waste your vote in a 8-9 vote count currently? onegus - Hes just mafia. Was like im green checked? cool vote sicklucker bye The Might have tricked mes Breskes - He goes out of his way to disagree with everything I say but Ive had some sick tells If I were to wage rid say town Kita - My first read on him was mafia because someone said "I forgot kitas even in this game so hes confirmed mafia" Like I dont think ive played with kita im not sure how he plays. Im not sure Geript - Complete loon as town. But I dont see him getting angry at things he should be angry at. Bats - ?????????? you're actually really wrong. You mean Obi instead of Oats, Oats has voted for some time. I don't really believe any of the rest of the reasonings either. You can't be more wrong on Kurumi. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:06 sicklucker wrote: Tube if your town fight for me and see this through. And if your mafia to quote robik + Show Spoiler + GG Quitting mafia for awile I'm trying. You're town. Mafia will be here shortly to rile things up I'm sure. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote: I really don't understand this you think he is town yet you don't believe any of his reasoning's? Can you explain this a bit more? It's POE. I also believe that if he were mafia he would have attacked me instead of Sandroba. It's possible like Kithaman27 said that he thought he'd lose to me, and go against the thread and everyone in it to fight a claim. If he decided to go against the thread that would have meant that he didn't underestimate my towniness. I'd be willing to bet that not a single one of you would have predicted I could project this towny. In his shoes I bet most all of you would have underestimated and attacked me. Why solo against the thread when you could try to bury me with the help of Geript? | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Do you feel that it is beneficial not to interpret what "he's really saying" for the rest of us? Actually yes. You should also be able to see in my filter that I have already answered this question. Why I don't explain it is actually answered in Geripts filter. | ||
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Can you elaborate a little bit on your decision to stay on Sandroba? Does the spirit message change anything about you thinking Sandroba should have checked LS instead? If he is still mafia, why would he lie about his check? | ||
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Here same thing. I still don't get why he didn't go after me but he does like the WIFOM. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:31 IAmRobik wrote: oh, and: 4) I think enough people will switch off sandro that it shouldn't matter Even if no one switched (I did) he still was dying. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:34 IAmRobik wrote: I just had a nightmare of a thought + Show Spoiler + what if I'm wrong on tubesock and have to take several months off You won't. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote: You dont have too. Do you honestly think tubes more townie then me? I have like a 20 page filter... I have 10 and have shown way more thinking about this game than you. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:45 sicklucker wrote: Whoevers town needs to switch to tube now to make the mafia lynch of history OF HISTORY think about it bros? Haha, flattering. You believe that in my 3rd game of mafia ever in any format, I'd be able to make Robik consider quiting for 2 months? | ||
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I do love you Sicklucker. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:49 sicklucker wrote: Like I said this should have always been a race between the other two. I lead discussion theres no way im mafia here. Sorry guys. Honestly in restrospect the reason why tube is mafia is because the race built around me and the cop. While no votes landed on tube. Suspicious no? Tube was townie but so was I how come I got all the votes and he got none? You're delusional. But to be fair I was way off. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:52 IAmRobik wrote: i still think sandro is fucking mafia nad syllo just sucks dick at this game This could be true. Post game if Sandro does flip it'll be a good time to rage. | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:56 IAmRobik wrote: There's no way SL brings up his 20 page filter as scum. -.- God save me if I'm defending mafia here, but fuck. i reallhy really don't think tube or sl is mafia right now and think that sandro is the highest likelihood for mafia of the cell FUCKFUCKFUCK Man I hear you. I spent the last 47 hours completely convinced Sandroba is mafia. But blue type really shakes a read man. | ||
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1. If the next day is a duel of some sort I'm dueling Sandroba. There are two things that will stop this. Information that would lead me to think Onegu is mafia. Or Sandroba is already dead. 2. If it's mayor I'm heavily pushing Robik or Kithaman27. I'd push Kurumi but I know he's not electable. 3. Geript and I will no longer shit the thread. I have gained all the information I need from him. He is useless to me now. If I respond to his questions again the post will contain the page number of my filter where I already answered his question. If he decides to care about this game and ask for new information then I'll answer. 4. All my reads are current and can be found in my filter with the exception of:
Obiwanshinobi is mafia. He wasn't looking for more information on who to vote. He was worried about how he'd look voting. Supulchre - suspicious. Geript shot (I believe the claim now), and Kurumi most likely right (among others). Those of you counting, I have 9 nontown suspects. I'll be around for some hours. I have to work tomorrow, so I'll be gone for the start of the new day. | ||
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First, I would like to inform you I have my stapler. Thank you. I would ask if you have had time to review my report. The PA announcement gave me pause today. At first, it made me question my report, but then after our unfortunate loss I realized that maybe the speaker was faulty. Sandroba is more TEAM in my eyes now than before assuming I correctly read your assessment of Onegu. Do you think I understood your wishes? I also note, that your documentation and my documentation of Robik have differing conclusions. I believe Robik is a buyer for our great corporation, but you seem to have him as a salesman of last record. Sincerely yours, Tubesock | ||
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On March 07 2015 20:35 Onegu wrote: No we lynch tube tomorrow. There is no way we don't. Sandaroba was obv the cop, and I got a green check. Like its so unlikely that if I was scum and scum got a framer/GF ability and targeted scum me. Come on mocsta think, I am town. Also don't late tube duel sandaroba. If we get duel I duel tube tomorrow This is why I said the thread goes toxic. Not that you are creating toxicity, but tryhard towns see you do not read nor care about the thread and rage but know you're town. You and I duel, and town loses. Your argument is SOLELY on the premise that Syllogism is 100% right on the Sandroba read. There are only really 3 things that I will bet the game on. 1 I'm town, duh; 2 Sandroba is mafia, and 3 you are town. I could be wrong on Geript, and Kurumi. I wish Kurumi was right about you being ninja. But you are far too lazy to be ninja, you are scapegoat. You are an excuse. Come on Onegu think. I am town. You are town. | ||
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Slam is town. | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:50 Mocsta wrote: yeah tubesock.. because all the players in this game are contributing... like get over yourself you dumb fuck. i might be wrong, but im still here trying, unlike hjalf the game. mafia havent lost anyone, and have no reason to contribute like 90% of this town. fuck u I don't think I've raged at you at all this game. I DO think you are contributing. I haven't inferred anything about you other than you are mafia. I've mentioned you twice. Neither time was about your productivity. So, call me stupid some more. | ||
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1. Geript's defense of Sandroba
Syllogism MUST find Sandroba town. (Turns out true) Syllogism MUST think Sandroba best for PR. (Apparently True) Sandroba MUST be town. That's a lot of things that need to happen. My idea. (Sandroba is mafia)
Sandroba MUST want to avoid try harding. (ample evidence) Syllogism CAN be either Spirit. Syllogism CAN Scum Sandroba. Syllogism CAN give PR to ANYONE. Sandroba CAN fake/real check ANYONE. Basically, to argue successfully with me on my point is prove that Sandroba would not mind try harding and do some other play. OR show how his Day 1 is town and something that mafia can't fake. My idea is not stupid. Given an outcome X or Y, would be be more likely to be true? X which needs 4 things to fall into place (we didn't know about them during this debate), or Y which needs 2? As mafia, why would I work so hard to find out a scenario that is so relatively simple, versus a scheme that with out much indepth analysis seems plausible but requires 4 at the time unverifiable things to fall in to place? Mafia knew who was the scum in the cell. Why would any town do nothing but fight this idea? Kithaman27 and IamRobik both thought my Theory was bad. See how they reacted? They continued to ask questions, they even asked questions from topics I BROUGHT UP. They investigated. Others did nothing but bring up why my scenario was so unlikely and stupid. Think about these things in the context that Onegu was Framed or Godfathered. How many unverifiable things need to fall into place for this to happen? How many things need to be true for Onegu to be an excuse for night kill survival. ONE. Onegu is TOWN. | ||
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This is all derperference. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i1-ySuWmYcg Gah. Someone fix that video for me. | ||
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Kithaman27, I really like your list. I would like you to consider Half the Sky also. She claims that the "mechanics" of what happened is what pushed her off Sicklucker. She was criticizing me for not thinking about them and feigning helping me by talking about it, and asking me to clarify my thought process. She did the exact same thing as mafia in our newbie game only she was asking Jarjarbinks about his algorithm. Someone who was thinking so much about the mechanics probably should have realized that having 4 KP that could hit whenever would be balanced enough that there can't be vigi's too. We are in a bad spot because of the shurikens. Imagine if we had vigi shots too? That's crazy. Note her vote time stamp and the Breaking News post. She turned the vote from Sandroba favored at 9-7 to 8 - 8 and then unfortunately Obi hammered Sick and that's the end of it. She was the key. On March 07 2015 06:38 Half the Sky wrote: ##unvote ##vote sicklucker On March 07 2015 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BREAKING NEWS A Message from the Spirit of Benevolence I like Robik for mayor. He knows that town needs some dead mafia or he loses. He's motivated to find mafia. We give him an extra KP, he's going to use it to kill the ninja or mafia. He has a shuriken to hit again. He's on town side, because he knows that the other ninja has no shots. The other ninja can't lynch him, and as far as I'm concerned he's helped town so much by claiming ninja and I for one will push for him to win his condition. Geript doesn't lie as mafia and I believe him. He's going to shoot who he thinks is ninja. Is it difficult to think he believes Robik's claim? What's the downside to Robik being mayor? | ||
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On March 08 2015 15:33 Onegu wrote: We need town as mayor, what if robik believs Geript and decides he has to play along to win as Geript comes in and say you have to choose me and your top 2 scum reads if you do that we will shoot the opposite ninja and let you win. Basicly I'm almost confirmed town, you need to vote for me if town is to have a chance in this game. If we accidentally choose mafia its game over or at least almost game over. Pick me for mayor. LS you need to vote me now, same with bats and the rest of you fools. I would as I believe you are town. I also believe Geript is mafia. I also know I am town. So, I elect you, you kill Geript, then by your agenda you lynch me. Then town loses. | ||
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Onegu, I'm less certain of his motivation. AND I think if he were mayor, why shoot Geript? He has a red check on him. He should shoot me. So, a vote for Onegu means a dead Tubesock. If you guys think I'm scum then go for it. Why bother killing Geript, since he has the red check? | ||
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On March 08 2015 15:48 Breshke wrote: This doesn't matter. If Robik is mayor onegu will still try to lynch you the next day anyway. The only way we arn't electing onegu as mayor is if you believe that geript and onegu made this play going for the win as we are in mylo. But I have already explained I don't think that is the case. Onegu who are you thinking of sending on the mission. Also do you know if you can send youself? I agree that Geript and Onegu are not in a play together. Onegu is confirmed town. Syllo sees that in no world would Sandroba check a mafiamate. I mean that's so insane I don't and can't even believe that. And you're right. Onegu will try to lynch me anyway. | ||
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On March 08 2015 15:51 Onegu wrote: Kita, chezniu, and I'm still thinking about #3 I nominate Breshke. Vet him. If he's on your basic page, and you think he's critically thinking about the game then use him. If you are certain that Kita and Chez are town (I've said I am lots of times) then you can use me. As your 2nd mafia pick, I can't vote to fail the mission. If it fails, you know that 2 in there are mafia, and you can't be wrong about both of those guys. If Kita and Chez are mafia, they deserve to win this game anyway. So, even as mafia I would have no choice but to vote pass. | ||
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On March 08 2015 15:58 kitaman27 wrote: Could you explain why kurumi is town? If you are asking me: So, my first game was in Carol of the Bells with a town Alakaslam. Slam had some weird posts that were pretty cryptic and most people were just ignoring them. One stood out to me because it concerned subject matter I think I am pretty knowledgeable at. I was lost and had no idea what was going on that game. I set out to figure out what he meant by that post. I did the same thing with Kurumi. It was obvious he was looking for people who cared enough to think about his posting. Mafia wouldn't bother figuring it out. I did. What did it for me was he was a little cryptic back to me in his response. Unlike Sicklucker and a couple others. He said he wasn't concerned with the ones in the cell. He said something about providence and how it didn't matter as everyone in there is probably going to die. (I responded with a "going west" reference which is a metaphor for dying in my culture). It dawned on me that he was right, that Onegu was going to die in the night as he was a confirmed town. Sick and I were to die, and then finally Sandroba would die when town realized that SL and I were town. Although the ninja thing sped things up and we can't afford 2 dead townies. Why would mafia Kurumi push to help me with something like that? He had more posts helping me out. Although, I wish his last post came sooner. It's tough for me to realize that I'm creating future WIFOM by talking about everything I am thinking. | ||
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On March 08 2015 16:01 geript wrote: I forgot how much fun it is to be outed scum. I don't think I've had so much fun in a long time. You scare me. I really enjoy playing with you. | ||
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On March 08 2015 16:08 Breshke wrote: Tube there is 16 alive right now thats 10 - 6 Misslynch today 9 - 6 After mafia kills 7 - 6 And we lose. That is also assuming mafia doesn't kill ninjas. so putting one possible mafia in the team to try work out their allighnment is a terrible idea Hence I nominate you. Although, you can WIFOM if I'm mafia making a play and actually not wanting you in. Being a unanimous vote would be crazy. It would mean you pick 1 non town and mafia wins a shot. That's horrible right? | ||
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On March 08 2015 16:22 Breshke wrote: Yes and no. Like this way we literally get 3 confirmed town when we get out of this day I like that you are saying i should be in because i know im town i think kita is the town hero geript should have been but I have no idea about chez. For me unless chez is mafia there isn't much mafia incentive for you to suggest me. Do you want me to elaborate more on why I think Kurumi is town? | ||
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On March 08 2015 16:30 Breshke wrote: If you think you can. I see your reasonings but it just doesn't feel that towny to me Hmm. It's basically I felt like he was helping me and not necessarily buddying up to me. I like that he's not seeking out people, but will interact with anyone who does him. He also throws in some reads (course he has to no matter what) but it really boils down to he makes me think more and gives me ideas. But you are right, he is not making the game easier for town. | ||
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Did you or any of your town reads do ANY bragging about what they've done? Aside from Sicklucker who always does that. | ||
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On March 08 2015 18:21 Breshke wrote: This is bullshit fyi. Mafia wins without having to even kill a ninja. 100% they will fuck you over for the lolz Breshke is right. I also just realized something. Sandroba "checked" Onegu so Geript could have a reason to town him. Onegu scummed Geript for Geript being wrong on his Onegu read. Who suspected Geript? Raynepelikoneet, Toadesstern, me and Onegu. Sandroba was trying to protect Geript. Ninja isn't too in danger though. New device means new powers. Maybe doc. Easy doc save. | ||
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mafia needs 2 shots to kill the ninja. Vest takes one, doc saves the other, ninja lives, no towns die. Town has something to offer you ninja. | ||
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On March 08 2015 19:43 Breshke wrote: I forgot they had a vest. that makes it even less likely mafia will win with one of them. They arnt going to send both KP onto one person that they "thik" is the ninja no way too risky because they don't win if they are wrong. Do the maths Tube are you still around who would your 3 man team be? Anyone else feel free to answer this aswell If I were mayor, it would be Onegu, Kitaman and Kurumi. I could easily put you in there too. As far as I'm concerned you 4 are the only towns outside of me. I think Epiphany is next most likely. I actually like his filter. I think I just disliked him because I thought he should have thicker skin, but that's actually really stupid of me. | ||
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On March 08 2015 19:57 Breshke wrote: Do you not have a problem that I pushed the town lynch when for you it is basically confirmed was town Vs mafia leading wagons Assuming you mean Sandroba vs Sicklucker. Not exactly. I felt so far throughout the game you have asked good questions. I'm trying to learn how to push cases and leave out bad reasoning. It's why it gets ignored so much and I create derpeference. If I would have just thought more about it, and realized why Onegu was chosen then I think my argument would have been better. I saw you actually search and investigate. You cared more about things in ways that I could relate too. Also, for most of the game I feel like I am reading with the same eyes you are. I was talking to Rsoultin about you, although for some reason I typed Obi instead. Although at the time I was pretty drunk and a bit dizzy reading my notes. So, no I could see your reasons. If I didn't have my Tinfoil I would have pushed the same for the same reasons and ones I posted about Sicklucker. | ||
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What do you think of Half The Sky? Sheep Onegu please. | ||
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Begin by reading Half the Sky's filter from page 6. On March 07 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote: I can sum up in three words at the moment: fuck my life. Honestly quite difficult. On March 07 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote: What is killing me is that sandroba is also looking even worse than before esp with his one of his last set of answers to Kita. On March 07 2015 06:28 Half the Sky wrote: I'm not trying to be cynical here, but did you flip a coin or are you going off the copcheck? On March 07 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote: Actually PLEASE DON'T READ scratch that last post - you justified based on the mechanics way before. I forgot that. On March 07 2015 06:32 Half the Sky wrote: I shouldn't be ignoring the mechanics either. I've been too focused on behaviour. And I am towning geript and Kita. We still only have 2 claims for abilities? God. It's sooo hard! page 7 now: On March 07 2015 06:37 Half the Sky wrote: Fuck my life. The mechanics, I just don't even. I'm switching. If sicklucker is town, I seriously am going to hate you all. On March 07 2015 08:03 Half the Sky wrote: FUCK. On March 07 2015 08:04 Half the Sky wrote: Fuck my life. On March 07 2015 08:05 Half the Sky wrote: This is so fucking frustrating. Holy shit, fuck this game. On March 07 2015 08:15 Half the Sky wrote: Apparently you've been out of the thread, relatively unaware or simply ignoring how many of us were deliberating on these two for how long? I'm upset (and so is Breshke) after putting in this much work that we mislynched. If you can't understand that, then you're either grossly ignorant or scum trying to find some BS reason to scumread someone. Pretty good job of projecting that she cares about this game. But she sure seems to hate it. | ||
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Thank you for your wisdom. I would also like to hear your thoughts on Onegu. I believed you thought he was ninja, so lynching him would show that Sandroba is mafia and would remove the other ninja. I believe that Onegu was used as a protector for Geript until I muddied up TEAM plan A. Now they are on B which explains why they killed outside of confirm town and cell. Maybe they didn't expect the Benevolent spirit to believe that Tubesock maybe wasn't so stupid, maybe he is the 1%. The spirit KNOWS the soulread would NEVER fakeclaim a TEAM. The check was REAL. Mafia wants to know the ninja. If Onegu is ninja, how would Geript not be caught for changing his scumread of Onegu so easily? I believe Onegu is Corporation. Is my documentation faulty? Your loyal file clerk, Tubesock | ||
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You know your check on Geript is real. You think that if Geript flips mafia then I am mafia. Think about what the mafia QT would look like if that were true considering my actions this game. Day 1. softly scummed Geript. my last post prior to Night 1 - testimonial type post documenting Geripts scumminess Day 2 - pushed heavily Geripts scumminess despite it being IMPOSSIBLE to kill Geript. Night 3 - Still didn't stop pushing Geript. Geript fought till you Checked. If I did that all as mafia, what do you think the possibility is that he wouldn't have quit before? | ||
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Syllogism actually immensely helped town by gifting cop to Onegu. As SnakeEyes was my favorite GI Joe, you are my favorite "TOWN". When there are 2 anti-towns remaining, I will gladly offer my sword to your preference, then lynch the other in case it was wrong. If there is some other scheme that you prefer that still allows town to win I'll push it after Geript and Half The Sky die. Thank you. | ||
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You are unlyncheable. You are unkilleable with no help till at least the second night. Mafia wants to know who the ninja's are so they don't waste their only kp. Town wants you alive so that your enemy can function as a Veteran. I'm saying, that if Stormshadow gets hit he won't die. We kill them. You win. Much better situation than whatever Geript is saying. | ||
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Why you don't want too hot a girlfriend. It's science, you know it's true. | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote Count Onegu (9): Onegu, Sepulchre,geript, Tubesock, Breshke, LightningStrike, kitaman27, Keirathi,FecalFeast, Alakaslam batsnacks (1): batsnacks Alakaslam (1): Alakaslam FecalFeast (0): kitaman27 (0): LightningStrike (0): Not Voted (2): AT.Epiphany, Kurumi At the current vote count, Onegu will be mayor. You have to vote here. Doh, just saw that Slam is on Onegu. I'm dumb. Just panicking I think there are 4 mafia on Onegu and will jump to Bats. | ||
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If Slam is the 6th, then we lost if Epiphany and Kurumi are town (which I believe) and they don't vote. | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:19 LightningStrike wrote: I thought you were townreading me what has changed? Today there wasn't anything interesting to talk other than who to vote for Mayor because of the red check by Onegu onto Geript. I hate days like this where the Cop instantly claim there red check because the day just becomes boring. If you are town then I have 0 to worry about. You are not ruled out. THAT was what led to my demise when HTS beat us in that newby game. I ruled her out as mafia. You are not posting a lot. This quote is not consistent with how I would expect you to post when you're town. To me you are 50/50 as I'm getting stronger and stronger town reads on others. | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:21 Breshke wrote: Tube there is only 5 mafia left. on phone so cant look at vote thread but if slam moved to onegu and there is 10 on onegu mafia cant hijack this Oh duh. I forgot Robik killed Sandroba. | ||
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Feelign scared that Geript just gave up, Bats is basically scum claiming along with Fecal doing nothing. Too easy is scary. That said, no one can leave Onegu. | ||
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If I'm mafia I wouldn't be able to walk. Bussing HARD 2 partners, early scamming Bats would take balls big enough to prevent me from walking. Especially one that was Towns by most in the thread. | ||
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Bats and Fecal mafia. then 2 in Lightningstrike Alakaslam Sepulchre Keirathi I think Keirathi is most likely town of the 4. I'd like to hear what Kurumi thinks about Kei. Along with the other confirmed towns, Breshke and Slam. Sep. I felt like he's "off". But then I think about the Geript "ninja" set up and wifom myself into black holes. I really don't know about Slam. He does have 3 days to prove useful though. I think he's 65% town. I've been thinking a lot about Lightningstrike lately. I don't know. Unless people think Bats is possibly town, he's my next pick. Even Fecal who I was pretty sold was the ninja is more useful. | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote: The reason is so that it's not obvious when a mafia passes the mission. "Oh yeah we're just waiting for confirmation from a player...." would be pretty revealing if everyone didn't have to confirm. Sorry for saying you'd fail the mission tube No worries! Please contribute, you are next in 6 days. | ||
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Well, I was proud to get Geript and Sandroba. Bad reasons but still right I guess. I was wondering why Kurumi didn't post anything during the day. Not enough to scum him for a few days though. well done mafia | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:22 scott31337 wrote: Town was crap not seeing the claim Sandroba and how it would work for mafia - it was obvious to me. I saw it eventually, and I was pushing to kill Sandroba till the spirit mindfucked me. How should I have gotten people to read my posts more? I'd like feedback from you guys if you're willing please. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:45 Half the Sky wrote: Ahhh so you are asking why I lynched SL instead of Sandroba? Thought I explained in obs qt. I could not decide between the two. They both looked bad. I overthought the whole thing and I was TRing (at that time) geript, Kita, Breshke, etc basically it was herd mentality and most of them were voting SL, and LS and Tube were voting Sandroba. I can't tell you how much time I put into reading and re-reading SL's filter and trying to meta him. sicklucker is a very difficult player to read, and I became paranoid that if we lynched Sandroba and he was town, that I'd be kicking myself in the rear for not killing sicklucker. I also completely ignored the spirit messages - I thought it was just all a distraction. That was the sad part. And Tube, you scumread me for not getting mechanics. I have misunderstand mechanics at least twice before in games...as both alignments. I was also actually thinking that you were not really caring about the game. In your reads you basically only said X person did this in Y game so Z. Everything I read from you was a meta comparison. I felt like you were not invested in OUR game. That's why I scum read you. What I posted was also saying that I thought Robik was right. He claimed and didn't shoot you, so you should have been mafia. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:45 Keirathi wrote: That was really a big clusterfuck. Had I been around, I would have told him not to make that claim. Or at least, nott o make it on Onegu. And I feel like I could have made some good arguments for why it wouldn't make sense for mafia sandro to claim cop there, but by the time I got back in the thread, the whole thing was already over and SL was dead. I feel like a LOT of the reason people were so 99% sure that sandro was scum was just because of SL starting that whole "no one has roles" thing which could have been stopped easily just by pointing to the OP. See, I thought people were towning Sandroba for getting the cop check. It was basically Sicklucker vs me. And no one was believing what I was saying that Sandroba would have HUGE motive to claim in his position. But I didn't think anyone was listening, except for Geript. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:52 Half the Sky wrote: Vote count sicklucker (10): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke, Sandroba (6): Onegu (1): Kurumi Tubesock (2): batsnacks, sicklucker Not voted (1): Keirathi Looking through all the VCAs done on both sides (town and scum), that massive town clusterfuck...can't blame all of us in the pileup for blaming each other. Several people ignored Kurumi as an isolated vote, thought that should have given him away if his trolling and unexplained sporadic reads didn't. The other thing I couldn't understand is that you were using mechanics to base your decisions on. I don't understand ANY of mafia's mechanics really. So, I have to find things that can be true no matter what. | ||
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I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba. I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba. It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba. Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored? | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote: why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason. For what it's worth, your list and Rayne's were the ignition to my theory which turned out to be correct. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:43 Keirathi wrote: Playing devil's advocate: what if sandroba was town, and he did actually check Onegu (which I still think would have been a solid check overall). Sure, your scenario is possible (and was the case), but why aren't the other scenarios possible? Why, in this specific case, is that scenario the only one that makes sense and make sandro scum? There is more to making an argument than just seeing a scenario and thinking "That makes sense, that must be how it happened!" Ah well, I thought about it's most likely. I knew I was town, I believe that mafia could only green or ninja check onegu. So, the only options were Sicklucker and Sandroba. And mafia Sicklucker would bury me. He would never take the word of some weirdo over a cop claim. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:53 sicklucker wrote: Game literally solved and I screamed about it but no one cared Yeah, like why were we being ignored? | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:59 LightningStrike wrote: So any tips for me as Mafia? Post way more. You fell off after D1. After Day 1 I was thinking you were not spewing like normal. AND I thought it was weird that when I was having a weird panic attack before the end of this last day, you responded to my scum on you with the most readable post I have ever seen from you. I was going to do everything I could to kill Batsnacks or Fecal (and lost us the game) but I was going to nudge you a bit and see what happened. You fell off. | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:05 LightningStrike wrote: Day 2 it was Cell and I never played Cell before so I didn't know how much activity I needed. Day 3 the cop check killed the day way to early imo. Onegu shoulda of checked out what happens when you call your Cop check Mafia after that. Plus Day 2 Sanroba claimed cop check so it was kinda weird for me knowing he was Scum. That! When you are town, none of that would have mattered. You are constantly looking to solve the game. In your last few games if you were going to be gone for a little while you 95% of the time said soemthing like "I'll give my thoughts when I return!" and it's always with an explanation point. I have a couple friends with Aspergers and Autism and such. They are all extremely CONSISTENT. You my friend are also extremely consistent with things like that give thoughts and return. Look at your posts this game. I only saw 1 or 2 with that. You had soooo many saying you'd be back later. Kinda dumb, but it's true isn't it? It's exactly like how Eden figured out Rsoultin for not using emotes. Stupid but true. Tin Foil Hat. I even had a prepared message to Chezinu talking about you. I was going to use how you "staple paperwork" and "produce a lot" but this time you are carefree with how you staple your reports. Chezinu never came back. Funny I was starting to think more about him. In his lists he had Chezinu (his character) as town but Kurumi as not town. I even started to refer to him as Kurumi instead of Chezinu. | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:16 LightningStrike wrote: Funny enough I got Autism myself lol.............. Ya I way to consistant as town to do the ! at the end of my I will be back posts lol. I honestly think that if you go back to your newbie game where I raged at you, and counted the amount of posts per day you did there and then copy/paste "I'll give my thoughts when I get back!" exactly like you did in that game, I'll never see you as mafia. you will always be a cointoss. Until I get another tinfoil hat anyway. | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:33 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, just some random babbling thoughts: I personally thought I had a pretty solid first cycle (particularly night 1). The problem was, I really did have 2 midterms last Thursday. So I get home ~6-7pm every night, then have a few hours to catch up/post, but I couldn't even do that Wednesday night because i had to study. Then I made a (albeit probably poor) decision to go out with friends Thursday after midterms were over and didn't get home until way too late to look at the thread and actually be able to get up for school the next day, so I put it off again. Somehow, in the middle of all of that, my TL tab got closed, and since I generally don't visit TL unless I'm playing mafia, I didn't think to check it friday, and so I didn't vote. All the good play in the world doesn't excuse leaving the thread for ~72 hours or whatever. Basically I threw away any real good-will I had for my day 1/night 1 play and put me on the back foot. So, sorry to my teammates for that. It's pretty inexcusable. I was in a position to have a good game and I fucked it up. [snip] Bleh, I was going to write a bunch of stuff here about individual players, but it felt kinda sleezy only mentioning the players I was familiar with and leaving out a bunch of people, so I decided it was better not to. I do have a question for Toad though: Why did you save Kita night1 instead of rayn? Not that I think it's a bad decision to save kita there, obviously, but I feel like rayn has a lot more...uh...thread control? than kita ever does. Kita is an excellent player, but not very often is he the driving factor behind a lynch. Rayn can and is that person. Also @rayn: you scumread me last game and townread me this game. Boggling :O You actually had a couple very good posts. I thought you were town. I was comparing you with Bats and fecal and eliminated you for being mafia. I mean Bats thought I was mafia with Mocsta AFTER mocsta flipped. Talk about not interested in the game. How do you not lynch a guy like that? | ||
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On March 10 2015 11:38 LightningStrike wrote: We prob would lynch him had the game went on lol. Yeah, I was already pushing to kill him before the game ended. We would have lost then no matter about the modkills or what. Ugh. I'd never have cop checked him either. Gah. | ||
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Man I was so convinced you were ninja. I felt you cared like Robik did, just keep town alive long enough to find the other ninja, and I figured the Rsoultin and Damdred shots felt YOLO. When I think of yolo I think you hahahaah | ||
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On March 10 2015 14:58 Alakaslam wrote: Really? It is funny. As much as there is CHUPAZI, I still find myself in a rut It is the way But consistent, strange. I would not see myself as consistent. It's hard to explain. I've read 2 of your games while they were happening and been in 2. You opened all of them looking for a "fite" of some sort or wording. In Carol and the one that just ended where you were cop you kept pushing for someone to fight you. To get a read. In the other game I read you were mafia you threw it out there and never pursued. This game same thing. You floated it out there and stopped. Also, you never made jokes or were your what I think of floaty self. Your posts this game were really straight forward. TownSlam that I have seen is a lot cryptic. You seem to want some effort out of people. Like when you kept asking people which buzzard they were from Jungle Book. This game you were "why isn't anyone biting? Am I not scummy?" and then vanished. I didn't notice any jokes or light hearted posts. They all seemingly had purpose and were clear. Don't get me wrong, there was no way I was lynching you next, or even 2nd but during the next couple days I was planning on trying to interact with you, or at least get someone else to. I obviously don't know you, but I'm sure there are several things you are very consistent at in life. You will not be aware of them at all. At least a couple of my friends don't. But they are hilariously consistent at seemingly completely random things. Like Lightnings last posts before he goes to sleep, or goes to a movie, they almost all end the same. Until this game anyway. | ||
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