[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia

On March 03 2015 08:08 Fecalfeast wrote:

which game?

On March 03 2015 08:16 IAmRobik wrote:
For those pressing the device: devices are always scum-favored

On March 03 2015 08:19 Toadesstern wrote:

do you tend to ask a lot of question just because otherwise?

On March 03 2015 09:33 Toadesstern wrote:
I have not actually send in my press device pm yet, if that matters

On March 03 2015 09:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Tube, how are you tracking people who are keeping open the option of shooting multiple people? Geript wanted to shoot me but pretty sure he was also looking at Onegu and Rayn to an extent.

On March 03 2015 09:38 sicklucker wrote:
Also making this a normal lynch is pointless someones gonna yolo. This is tl mafia...

[B]

There's a voting thread here, but you won't be using it today. Shots are fired in this thread.

Players are able to shoot in .

On March 03 2015 09:43 Toadesstern wrote:
##Shoot: Half the Sky

agreed with (I think rayns?) idea that her early post was odd. She continues to make a lot of really, really crappy posts like:
All in all, nothing like the shining beacon of towniness she was in last game. Leaning pretty heavy mafia right now, not only on lack of towniness but on actually being scummy the way she posts.

That being said, can we please change it to just
##vote: XYZ

I don't want someone to shoot someone because our "vote" and the official shooting phrase are the same thing except for a ':' ...

On March 03 2015 08:57 geript wrote:

I'm actually very okay with this.

On March 03 2015 10:00 geript wrote:
I'm not voting to shoot someone. Unless this ear infection turns into Ebola overnight, I will be shooting someone. It's a matter of figuring out who's the best shot.

On March 03 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I dunnae. Slam's play was kinda transparent, so people not really reacting negatively to it doesn't mean much imo.

I can also see geript being unwilling to trust a shot to someone else even as town. The fact of the matter, though, is even if the plan doesn't ultimately work because we can't actually force a shot on the person with the most votes, we still get more information out of it than a clusterfuck of yammering followed by a race to be the first to get a shot out at the 24 hour mark.

On March 03 2015 11:23 geript wrote:

No. I'm fine with Slam RNGing. Im not fine with an RNG shot in general. There's a big difference there.

On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote:

I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting.

On March 03 2015 11:52 geript wrote:

My less stupid idea is to have people get "approval" to shoot. I'd you need say 5-8 people vote for you to be the shooter. Then it's far more like a mayoral election and actually gives information about the backers.

On March 03 2015 12:04 geript wrote:
Which is the exact thing he did his last mafia game. That makes him uber likely to be mafia.

I remember you thinking HtS was town or maybe town. Mind explaining that in full detail.

On March 03 2015 12:10 geript wrote:
Any feelings you can explain in any reasonable way?

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On March 03 2015 12:50 Damdred wrote:


He said he needed a town game of hers from recent times so I gave him her latest game like I can't read her anymore on Day 1 without her claiming Miller after watching her in Void and playing with her in Newbie LX when she rolled scum. I also noticed just multiple people haven't posted yet so idk they all Null because the fact they haven't posted yet. May I get your thoughts on HTS and rsoultin and maybe Robik?

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On March 03 2015 12:54 geript wrote:




We shouldn't discuss any ongoing games bro lol.

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Also my thoughts on Koshi I finding it odd he not really trying this game and sorta reminds me of Horns of Africa where he wasn't doing much and trying to avoid being lynched so he might be Mafia on that but he needs to give a reason for not doing much.
Rayn he not doing much either and I think in a post game he said he wasn't going to do much shit as town due to people not having the ability so idk if he really going through with that or what's going on with him.
So my best person I want to shoot is most likely Koshi for now.
##Shoot: Koshi

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rsoultin what your thoughts so far in this game? Just curious.

On March 03 2015 14:56 AT.Epiphany wrote:
So here's my scumread on Geript:

Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively. Here as well, he started pushing Koshi and the moment I made my post, his first reaction (even though I said I'm posting on shots as a follow-up) was to scumread me because my post was filler.

It isn't filler, the first person to post after me recognized as such, and geript has gambled on being aggressive and unpleasant thinking that people will agree with him because I am new to this forum. Look at his main contribution in the thread.

1) He's tried to normalize the idea that there's no point in trying to reach a consensus on a shot because somebody will shoot anyway. What he's really trying to push though, is the idea that it's normal and ok for everyone to take a shot at 24 hrs and the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want anybody to gain any information from the shot, which is why he's trying to press the line that there's no point reaching a consensus and then lynching anyone who breaks the consensus.

2) He's then tried to press the nonsensical idea of trying to hunt/lynch the 3P although that makes very little sense for reasons that have already been pointed out.

3) He tries to establish credibility by saying "these are the people I'm ok taking a shot". That doesn't prove anything though, especially since at this point he's done nothing useful except to try and debunk our most useful way of gaining information, which is to try and shoot the guy with the most votes.

4) He's been the one to try and turn the thread into a fight by abusing me (a fight he calculated he'll win because no one here knows me).

On March 04 2015 03:23 IAmRobik wrote:

wrong

On March 04 2015 03:32 geript wrote:
I'd still rather shoot Koshi. He's done fuck all this game.

On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing.

On March 04 2015 03:51 your mom wrote:


rayns arguments are that i scumread people off a few posts before looking at the entire game, and keep scumreading them for those posts (which is supposed to make the whole "fabricated")

now point me to the part you find convincing please. rayn called me mafia on the get go so he couldnt have thought that i was mafia cause stubborn, since it was shortly after game start and before i went to bed. he called me mafia after i woke up today for reasons. but the first time he calls me mafia, do you see a reason for it?

On March 04 2015 04:01 rsoultin wrote:


This is probably a semantics point here but...can you please explain to me your Your Mom read in more detail? The way it reads right now is that you have no read on him.

On March 04 2015 04:14 your mom wrote:


there are no votes today. scum would be dumb not to shoot and let the day end that way, the good ones will try their best to prepare their reasoning for the shot they are going to choose. in fact i find it scummy you didnt think about this, it gives me the impression youre disconnected from the game. in fact you play all the way like youre trying to not get your hands dirty, moving responsibility away from you etc.

On March 04 2015 04:58 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - Tube, got the names mixed up. I was getting more townie vibes from Keirathi from the little he posted, but would like to see more before calling him town.

Do you not like the content in his filter or just the quantity of it?

On March 04 2015 05:02 Kurumi wrote:
Greetings friends!

I am back with great news: many of you have filled the N1N-7S form! Corporation is very thankful for the information you have provided and shall act accordingly. It's amusing how they don't know they count as Mafia for checks!!! Happy behind their vest, happy under their desk, but clueless like light in a prism! I have prepared raynpelikoneet's gun for today's Big Shot! He paid a fair price let me assure you, and he is not going to be disappointed! The employee I fired some hours ago started a kickstarter campaign for fire-safe candles! That's the spirit, too bad we own the kickstarter platform he is using... Not surprising, he was just a HR assistant...

I have now updated my list!

Chezinu
raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike
HalfTheSky
Alakaslam
kitatheman27
Foolishness
your mom

ObiWanShinobi

I'll remind you again to ##Request Checkup so you don't embarrass yourself during the Big Shot!

Another thing: my secretary told me that my behaviour towards employees isn't exactly as it should be - she fears that I am becoming a shut-in with all this Talk-Only-Through-Emails-or-On-Meetings. Lucy is a bright and beautiful woman so I heed her advice. This is a fifteen minute AMA with your favourite CEO! Face to face! Don't ruin it!

On March 04 2015 05:14 Kurumi wrote:


Hello Tubesock! Have you had your gun polished lately? No? How about giving me your gun for a while so I can make sure it works? We'll agree on the price in private, I am sure you'll be another happy costumer!

What change of mind? Everything is documented! I always push for good documentation! It is really important to know how much coffee is drunk every day and how many poor souls have to drink decaf thanks to our Corporate Random Decaf Generator™

It is true that many CEOs have outlandish beliefs, but I am not one of them! There are no spirits, ghosts, ghouls, religious ghouls, evil doppelgangers or little green Martians! That's a codename I tell you! We do it all the time in C.O.R.P.O.R.A.T.I.O.N.! A must nowadays with all the corporate espionage, you understand.

On March 04 2015 07:31 IAmRobik wrote:

WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT READ. HE LITERALLY JUST MADE A LIST POST FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING A LIST POST RIGHT BEFORE THE SHOT. WHAT SANDRO POINTED OUT IS 100% ACCURATE AND IT MAKES ME WANT TO SHOOT HIM EVEN MORE. DEFENDING HIM IS NOT A FUCKING SMART MOVE

On March 04 2015 16:44 rsoultin wrote:
also really not frigging sure what that hts/ows thing was all about. it was like...posts scummy...too scummy to be scum so clearly it was a trap and the most suspicious reaction was ows?

if rayn is scum this game he's fooled me so kudos. robik I think is more likely of the two of them to be scum, and I'm kind of leaning town on him anyway.

anyone got a read on SL? he's kinda feeling towny to me this game, and I'm not sure what to make of it cause usually I want to tunnel his ass so hard lol. does it really feel like him to not have a shot he wants to take, even with koshi mod-killed? I mean, usually he acts like he's the best player in the game

On March 04 2015 17:03 rsoultin wrote:


I'll reread your filter, Tube, but from what I recall most of your game presence was trying to organize a shot...something which is more towny to me than scummy, but not if you're not contributing much else lol. With the personalities in this game, a shot at deadline is kinda inevitable, but having people actively talking about it and taking stances was pro-town so I was happy to encourage it.

Yeah that's kinda the vibe I'm getting. LS asked me if SL making sense is a scum tell, and I'm not sure that it is, but he really does make me want to stab things most times when he's town cause of all the crazy. Plus, I mean, not trying to shoot anyone doesn't feel like SL to me. He picked a player I consider to be clear town (geript) pushing a mostly undisputed shot (koshi) and championed that. Super safe play. Then had no one as a back-up.

On March 04 2015 17:11 rsoultin wrote:
Lol I should have looked at your filter earlier.

Rsoul does not approve of killing Tube tomorrow <3 Do you have an opinion on sepu or damdred, while I've got you in-thead.

On March 04 2015 17:16 rsoultin wrote:


Hm...in context YM was super active at the time of his post. I get what you're saying about his response after the flip, though...seems a bit strong for something he didn't seem to have a strong opinion about before the flip.

On March 04 2015 08:12 Toadesstern wrote:


I am willing to bet VEs balls on this being fake. Lynch robik imo.

Someone who really wants to shoot doesn't just get the name wrong. He sits there waiting with the text prepared making sure he gets his shot off. The shot robik did was faked and so is that post.

On March 04 2015 17:26 Onegu wrote:



If he was faking that I'll give him a mafia award peronslly delivered.

On March 04 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote:
I honestly can't catch up with how the thread is speeding and interact at the same time I'm not going to try to take the shot I believe because of that. (I'm moderatly caught up)

Geript, RS are really town, kit is as well. Your mom looks ok I think right now, Hts looks better.

I'd shoot oneg or sand I think

On March 04 2015 17:41 rsoultin wrote:


Anyone specifically you want me to look at? I've been just sending people about looking into filters like little minions without asking where anyone else is lol

On March 04 2015 17:44 sicklucker wrote:
Dandred called me town and didnt do anything. Breske focused on one person I didnt find interesting (dont even know who it is) and did nothing

On March 04 2015 18:04 rsoultin wrote:
sandroba was another I don't really have a read on yet

if you've got thoughts on keir, I'd like to hear them, tube. also lol...in a game of so many players, the difference between top and third town is kinda miniscule

bresh, I know you don't often get many scumreads day 1, but I personally don't mind townreads and reasons as much as other players seem to. can I get a spot check on where you're at right now?

On March 04 2015 18:13 Tubesock wrote:


haha yeah I thought I was being really funny when I said Geript is my third towniest person.

I've reread Keirathi like 3 times. I really really like his thought processes and questions of people. But I'm also realizing I need to reread again because I can't remember his reads. maybe it's because they're not listed, I'm assuming he's scumming Sepulchre and Batsnacks? Who is he interested in?

On March 04 2015 18:15 rsoultin wrote:


Okay so I liked the beginning of OWS' filter, and even the post that sepu pointed out just because of how it developed and he had a tone townread on HtS early. This post though is probably one of my favorites, purely on tone, cause I completely felt the way he did in the second-to-last paragraph and honesty like that usually makes me think town.

Plus he goes on to push for a bats shot a few times.

On March 04 2015 18:20 Onegu wrote:



Geript has correctly read me in every single game we have played together, yet he is scum reading me when I am town this game. Also normally I'll get scum tones from like half of a player list then focus on the heavier reads. This is why I will sheep a lot as town, I'll get scum tones from players then be ok to vote them if a vet pushes their lynch heavy. This game I'm just not seeing to much that is making my gut need some pepto. Again I haven't read closely at all just skimming.

On March 04 2015 18:22 Tubesock wrote:


I kinda relate to the not enough gut churning, but you don't have 1 person you don't like?

On March 04 2015 18:24 Onegu wrote:

Geript has correctly read me in every single game we have played together, yet he is scum reading me when I am town this game. + Show Spoiler +

I could get behind a bats or brkshe lynch. Kita isn't exactly giving me gooey feelings either.

On March 04 2015 20:04 Mocsta wrote:

Its pretty simple.

I got the vibe that he is holding back.
At the same time, when he posts, its quite relaxed.

THATS THE CONNUNDRUM.

Most people that try to post relaxed (as mafia) come across as try-hard. Not Batsnacks.

I get: intentionally not contributing/withholding, but relaxed.

==> Potential samurai enemy or useless town.

I'm giving him benefit of the doubt, and scratching useless town.

On March 05 2015 03:38 geript wrote:
@Kita. Regarding Tube. I had to go back and look at my summary of the Newbie game and his filter. On length it's about what I expect. He's under similar pressure in that game too IIRC. There are a few things that I note that are quite different.

First, in the newbie game while his filter isn't great he has some real gems of insight here and there. Things that really show how he's thinking about the game. Not just the "If everyone's scumreading Shining" post but more like:

Like it's a really interesting thought. But I'm not really seeing anything like that this game. That's pretty remarkable to me.

This was after Rsoultin died N2, so of course I had more opinions than I do during N1 (after a shortened day...)

Second, in the newbie game he's reasonably opinionated. Like he makes points on people and interacts a bunch. Like almost all of his posts are to someone. I'm going to try and be specific about this but his posts are to the person in relation to the conversation they are having in the thread at that time. Like there's an intended back and forth. Where as this game it's far more of posting at people. Like he's interested in saying something but not in actually conversing or having that back and forth.

I've conversed with you and Rsoultin. More extensively with Rsoultin though. That newbie game was really slow and here a lot of people are talking, and I didn't feel I had anything to add. See my responses to your questions for instance.

Third, I remember one of the heuristics used in Boardwalk revolved around who made plans and why. In Boardwalk, there were numerous plans based around picking numbers and what should be drafted where, etc. But I specifically remember someone talking about how mafia were more likely to propose a plan and just let it die. As I recall, I think it ended up getting a mafia lynched; I think it was part of why Gonzaw suspected Artanis. Either way, what I find interesting about his Votecount thing is that he doesn't really push it. He both likes and understands my "people cleared to shoot" list. But unlike, Rayn or me that game there was no constant revision in order to generate a better plan. There wasn't really any pushing for finding the best plan. It's more of a "I'm doing something plan but I don't really care about it."

I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that no matter how much effort I put in for my plan that you, Rayne, Robik, AND Sicklucker would have followed it. Even Sandroba said he was going to shoot but it was early enough to be a possible reaction bait type comment. So, what would have been the point? Plus, several people were like the quote you posted below say "Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. ...you hiding behind that list."

Fourth, This post:
What I find interesting about this post is that finding reasons to call me mafia but doesn't push them. What's more important is he's both buddied me pretty hard at points and both before and after this calls me obvious town. Like that's really, really weird.

On March 05 2015 06:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yo has anyone considered the possibility of tubesock being a ninja?

I think it's entirely possible.

On March 05 2015 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Ain't got much time these days

Update me real quick what has happened

On March 05 2015 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tubesock i am going to be honest with you.
You just wasted your first shot. You need to decide whether to shoot sandroba or Damdred here. One of those is the other ninja, and geript is going to shoot you anyways tonight. Tough life, too little time. Use it wisely.

On March 05 2015 06:26 Alakaslam wrote:

Sure use a shuriuken I don't care really.

If you decide to leave me in activity should pick back up Friday.

On March 05 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

what does this have anything to do with her being a ninja or not?
Like if you think she is the other ninja do you leave here alive so you can never win the game or what?

On March 05 2015 06:38 batsnacks wrote:


Anything else interesting?

On March 05 2015 08:47 sicklucker wrote:
Then your a moron. Im towning you because you tried to organize that garbage. Its enough to keep you over two guys who have not done anything that rayn called scum.

Also he literraly just slipped and spewed us both town....

On March 05 2015 08:55 sicklucker wrote:
The claim is literraly a scum or a ninja slip "if he thinks im a ninja and wants to get me lynched which this check would do"

Why are there not 15 votes on him?

On March 03 2015 09:04 geript wrote:
Also. I'm pretty sure I have a foolproof way to read Sandroba. It's actually quite interesting.

On March 04 2015 04:37 geript wrote:
Ok so basically it boils down to 1 simple thing. Syllogism is in this game. There's literally no one in the world that has ever or will ever read Sandroba as well as Syllogism. So if we leave Sandro alive N1 and he doesn't receive a power, then we auto lynch him. If he does receive a power, we evaluate both his use of it and what power was given. Like it's complete win/win.

On March 05 2015 09:02 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I didnt know spirits can buy roles for people. (THATS HOW YOU KNOW IM TOWN)

Also we dont know Syllogism is even the town spirit so thats all speculation.

I still think its fake and too convenient he gets a green check with a guy hes in a cell with.

On March 05 2015 09:12 geript wrote:
Kiat Im surround by stupid poeplo an d mafia. Sav eme!!111

On March 05 2015 09:50 sicklucker wrote:
im thinking onegu is his partner tho. If we believe his claim its two mislynches instead of a mafia lynch because I dont think me or tube gets voted.

On March 05 2015 09:52 Fecalfeast wrote:

incorrect, it says AT LEAST in both the OP and the day post

On March 05 2015 09:56 Keirathi wrote:
Just a heads up, I just got home and I have 2 midterms tomorrow. At the very least, I won't be around until much later tonight, but maybe now until I get home tomorrow. I'll try to get in here and catch up before bed, though.

On March 05 2015 10:07 geript wrote:

Prolly tube. Tepted to vote SL baized on how often he role mafia.

On March 05 2015 10:40 sicklucker wrote:
Onegu if your town dont randomly believe your green check because its pretty sketchy

On March 05 2015 10:57 Breshke wrote:


Could you explain why you don't think they could be mafia together? Also the mafia spirit can give roles and i assume it isn't anything like mafia vigis since then that is too much kp for mafia (I think) so it is probably something like framers or like a one time godfather. It is possible that something like this was used on onegu so i don't think he is confirmed town.

On March 05 2015 11:07 sicklucker wrote:
Theres also the scenario where he faked the checked and onegus the mafia.

On March 05 2015 11:15 sicklucker wrote:


Yes. Yes he is.

AND ME AND TUBE FIGURED IT OUT. THAT MEANS ITS A FAKE CLAIM! dahdah!

On March 05 2015 11:16 Fecalfeast wrote:

So why do you keep talking to sicklucker about setup information when you have the easiest job? If you are town, figure out if sandroba is for real.
With you in the cell and your belief that the green check is real (either by cop check or by TMI) you have 2 suspects: sicklucker, whom you keep talking to, or sandroba. Do you have reads on those players?

On March 05 2015 11:39 Onegu wrote:



Why should I have town reads on you two?

On March 05 2015 11:42 Onegu wrote:



Nope, You can still answer the question

On March 05 2015 11:45 Breshke wrote:
This is going to go nowhere SL just says things to say things onegu.

Tube imagine sandroba had not claimed. Who would you be voting?

On March 05 2015 11:53 sicklucker wrote:


Im nice im nice!!!? I made koshi ragequit I told breske to stfu and I think I said that to someone else too. This is my town game bra If im nice to you its because I think your town

On March 05 2015 11:56 Breshke wrote:


Can you tell me one read of sicluckers reads from D1. Like he was busy and it kind of makes sense to me because i think as mafia he actually provides content. I was agree with rayn that SL could have been a ninja and still am tbh the other ninja should just shoot him.

Anyway i agree it should be between sandroba and SL,(even though onegu mafia, sandroba town is possible). I havn't really read sandroba at all though

On March 05 2015 11:58 Onegu wrote:



I'm here now aren't I? And I don't get this aversion to saying why you are town. Ill look in your filter regardless but I would still tell people why I am town.

Like I am town because I claimed.town and I have a green check on me. See how that works? Now try the same.

On March 05 2015 12:06 Breshke wrote:


That's not what i ment. Like did you remember them or what he was pushing without having to specifically go look? I didn't and that isn't how town sicklucker plays.

On March 05 2015 12:14 Onegu wrote:



Who cares, like I'm sure I'm not the only one who hasn't read you yet. So why not throw some people a bone. Anyway I'm leaning more toward SL than you at this point but still.

On March 04 2015 17:11 rsoultin wrote:
Lol I should have looked at your filter earlier.

Rsoul does not approve of killing Tube tomorrow <3 Do you have an opinion on sepu or damdred, while I've got you in-thead.

On March 05 2015 17:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
sandro like not lynching scum probably means hes scum.

Im sure he knows that even getting nightkilled is worth playing properly.

Tube, why didnt the doc save rayn or toad if they were obviously town?

On March 05 2015 17:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I assume we have 2 cop claims, im not going to read through 100 pages, I dont have time for that.

On March 05 2015 17:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
He doesnt give a reason why he checked onegu, and as far as I understood, Sandro was never reading onegu as scum.

On March 05 2015 17:56 sicklucker wrote:
Breskes town because he knew I didnt make in thread reads on tube/rstoulin. Or did I?

On March 05 2015 17:58 geript wrote:

Or you know... we got powers, we used those powers. Like I don't get why sandroba getting a cop power would even be that surprising, especially if Syllo is town spirit.

On March 05 2015 18:01 geript wrote:
I'm really dumb dealing with the stupidity. It wouldn't even surprise me if one of Tube/SL is mafia and the other is ninja.

On March 05 2015 18:05 Onegu wrote:
Here is the problem Geript one of the loudest people in the thread would be pushing my lynch so hard if I didn't have a green check, dead townies don't talk. I really believe sandaroba isn't the lynch, I would be if I didn't get a green check.

And my play is really underwhelming this game I know so I am not sure I would have been able to save myself or not. I'm telling you it really doesn't make sense for him to fake a check on the person most likely to get lynched in this cell.

On March 05 2015 18:01 geript wrote:
I'm really dumb dealing with the stupidity. It wouldn't even surprise me if one of Tube/SL is mafia and the other is ninja.

On March 05 2015 10:16 geript wrote:
I like my cs ein tube.

On March 05 2015 18:13 Breshke wrote:


I find it really weird that you are totally over suspecting SL. Like yes some of his more recent activty has looked good but his D1 and "D1 reads have been retarded because he apparently posted like only 1/4 of his thoughts.

Also Geript/Mocsta if you could say what your device action was that would be great probs wont be important but ehh

On March 05 2015 18:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
It doesn't make sense for scum sandro to confirm such a player as town though. Onegu is a complete possible mislynch.
And scum sandro will claim better. OK.

I'm thinking it's sl right now, his tone sounds a lot like it was at the end of office when he was scum too.

On March 05 2015 18:23 AT.Epiphany wrote:


Tubesock, why do you "refuse to believe there are 2 mafia in the cell?". One is literally guaranteed and if you randomly choose 3 people from the remaining 18 or so, there's a pretty decent probability another one might be mafia.

On March 05 2015 18:27 Oatsmaster wrote:

He could just claim a check on someone not in the cell. The point was not that he faked a claim within the cell, it was that he could've faked a different claim.
Someone that doesn't look town now but will easily avoid being lynched.

On March 05 2015 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Blah I'm not sure if that made sense but sandro could've chose anyone to fake a claim on and he faked it on someone that is up for lynch today and a possible mislynch is a bit too much for me to swallow.

On March 05 2015 11:05 Tubesock wrote:


Onegu could be mafia sure. I just feel it's unlikely. I think Sandroba thought about how he would claim if he was actual cop and had someone outside of the cell and when. If he had a check from someone inside the cell (I think Onegu is a good check honestly) then it's pretty simple to say he should claim immediately.

The choice is then who to pick inside the cell. If he checked me then I would be "confirmed" then I'm untouchable essentially.
If my suspicions are right on Geript from what I've posted previously in my filter, they can't confirm me as Geript would probably die.

So, Sicklucker or Onegu. I guess that could be a toss up. Sicklucker is an easier misslynch I think than Onegu is.

Maybe he thought Onegu was the toughest mlynch and figured might as well go for him. People think both SL and I are ninjas, so half the work is already done.

On March 05 2015 18:33 AT.Epiphany wrote:


Except it would be a violation of the game rules if he ensured only one was mafia. The rules specifically state players will be randomly nominated.

On March 05 2015 18:46 Breshke wrote:


yeah but onegu not being motivated to play would be good for a scum sandroba

Also there is definitely more risk. By our own accord you are thinking onegu was confirmed so that means its 1/3 instead of 1/4 of sandroba being lynched.

On March 05 2015 18:52 geript wrote:

Yes. Because mafia want to create a lynch between 3 people instead of 4 people. Especially when the person they're removing someone from the possibility of being lynched.

Like it's really ridiculous to me. People get powers. We know this. I know that either someone RB'd me or that Sepulchre is not town because I shot his ass last night. Like Sandro claiming a greencheck on an easy mislynch when he's mafia is pretty insane. Like really insane. Like I can't believe that Artanis would be a Bastard host and have 2 mafia in the group. I think he just worded it that way because he wanted to be able to include ninjas. Like so far only 2 people have claimed getting powers, Me and Sandro. Kita's response probably means he got a power too. I'm guess he got medic because that makes the most sense overall.

On March 05 2015 18:55 geript wrote:

You are literally either fucking stupid and so confirmation biased that you're literally crafting each and every idea specifically just so you can call him mafia or you're just mafia and can't think of anything else to say. You best get the KY. Because I'm going to rip you a new one after I watch starleague.

On March 05 2015 19:08 geript wrote:

Only play? Like there are a billion different plays he could make. Hell, he can red check anyone outside the cell. He can get hard bussed for cred. He can check a partner. He can play like he did in Catastrophe and be really uber towny and not get lynched until like d9. Like there's lots of options for him to take if he's mafia. Like a million different options. Why would he as a good player take the absolute fucking worst line of play physically possible. Like there is 1 play that you do not take as mafia in this situation. And that's the exact play that Sandro made. THE EXACT PLAY. Explain how a vet who's good, really good and spent his last mafia game completely unnoticed until he gave up because all his team got lynched and he was tired of trying to keep playing. Explain how Sandro can as mafia take the absolute worst fucking line of play possible. Like that's the thing that caught me off guard early on.

On March 06 2015 03:30 IAmRobik wrote:
I know geript sucks at this game, but is he likely to be 100% wrong on everything as mafia or town?

On March 06 2015 10:32 sicklucker wrote:
Oh ya kurimis mafia.

On March 06 2015 16:17 geript wrote:
Tube. You really make me want to bang my head against the table endlessly.

On March 06 2015 16:35 geript wrote:
Why do you believe so heavily in this tin foil hat theory? Like I really don't get it. Like do you really think that Town only gets 1 power role on N1?

On March 06 2015 16:42 sicklucker wrote:


We dont have complete information but I can and have given you many scenarios.

1. He green checks onegu to look scummy if his plan fails. Thus insuring a 1for1 trade which is good since he was the likely lynch.

2. They are partners

The fact is sandro was the lynch regardless of the claim and her best option was to claim. You have to ignore the claim and see the player. And that player is doing nothing compared to two obvious towns.

On March 06 2015 16:44 geript wrote:

That quite frankly is absolutely retarded. There is literally 0 reason for people not to have claimed what powers they got and what powers they used. Like not as any alignment. Literally 0 reason. There's literally 0 reason to think that in a setup with 6 mafia (with 2 KP) and 2 3P (each with 2KP) that town only gets 2 roles. Maybe some roles went to Rayn/Toad. Maybe. Like no one has claimed a RB on me. No one's claimed a vest hit. No one's claimed a medic use. At most so far, Town could have gotten 4 roles. Which is at least 2 fewer than I would expect on N1. Probably 3 fewer considering how mafia favored the lynch mechanics are in general. So why on god's green earth aren't people claiming these powers 1, why didn't they use these powers 2 and where in the fuck are all the roles we're missing?

On March 06 2015 16:50 geript wrote:
Like that would be some really crazy ass shit. Late in the game, I coudl maybe. MABYE 2 mafia in a cell. But even then that's a big maybe. Like it's insanity now.

On March 06 2015 16:53 geript wrote:
Why do you think that there are non-traditional roles in this game? I got vigi. We have normal assassin roles. Like why would you think that?

On March 06 2015 16:56 geript wrote:
I don't even know what to say. Like why would I lie about being a vigi as any alignment? Please tell me. Please tell me.

On March 06 2015 17:07 geript wrote:

I'm trying to fucknig understand why you believe such bullshit.
And needing Vigis with 2kp Ninjas. Yes. Ninjas aren't trying to shoot mafia. Hell some people will just shoot indiscriminately into reasonable targets. Which more often than not will be town. Ninjas are not town aligned. They're far, far more closer to mafia aligned than anything else. Like when all 4 shuriken get shot, then guess what happens. They claim. Because there's literally 0 reason for them not to claim. They just don't want to get lynched and will try to side with whoever wants to help them the most. Ask Kita. In Demon's run he was 3P and he and I and Austin (my mafia partner) made a shaky alliance so that we had a chance at winning. 3P are in no way town aligned. They're heavily anti town. Super heavily anti-town. So yes, in a setup with 6 mafia and 2 3rd party then yes, town needs a way to cull the chaff and/or kill mafia. Like with out such, by the end of N2 in a what 26 person setup there's like 7 town going to be dead at least most likely. If not 9-10. It can easily be MYLO on D3. So yes, town needs roles to help figure shit out.

On March 06 2015 18:12 Breshke wrote:


Good answer.

Tube i want to let you know that I don't think it is possible for sandroba AND geript to be mafia. You need to reconsider or explain how you think town got 0 PR's D1.

On March 06 2015 18:12 Breshke wrote:


Good answer.

Tube i want to let you know that I don't think it is possible for sandroba AND geript to be mafia. You need to reconsider or explain how you think town got 0 PR's D1.

On March 06 2015 19:12 Breshke wrote:


I personally think you have looked far more townie than sandroba has so your thing about sicklucker doesn't really make much sense to me. Like i get what you are trying to say but i don't agree.

There is value in discussing power roles. I refuse to believe that town got 0 power roles given to them from the spirit and are not claiming them. Even if it was something like you said a mason chat, that person can still claim it. Geript is basically confirmed town.to me I know his shot didn't go off but why claim vigi as mafia when you could just hide it or if he didn't receive it why claim it in the first place.

I realised i really can't be bothered trying to explain this because geript basically has. Your 4 vest theory is probably wrong because rayn or toad didn't receive one.

It is fairly disheartening that so few people outside the cell seem to care but im sure stuff will probably pick up tonight while im asleep. I've got family over soon so ill be popping in and out

On March 06 2015 19:17 Fecalfeast wrote:

Do you have evidence that says sicklucker always goes for the smartest play as mafia? Does he never try to WIFOM? You're saying that since sicklucker isn't going after you he is town which makes sandroba the fake cop?

On March 06 2015 23:53 Onegu wrote:



Ugg I just don't see why a scum sandroba checks/fake checks me as green? Like why not red check someone out of the cell? That way it's at least a 2for 1... And then depending on what lynch catgories come up it could be days before his check flips. Letting him live on a cop claim. Just doesn't make sense for a scum in my cell to give me a green check, when one of the most vocal players (Geript) would be pushing for my lynch.

On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia.

On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:

what idea?

On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:

wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check

On March 07 2015 03:07 geript wrote:
How about that town only got 1 role on N1? Yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about non-standard roles? I know I got an exceptionally standard role. So yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about that Sandroba as mafia greenchecks the easiest mislynch in the pod? Also crazy.
How about that I'm lying about getting vigi role? Well I did. Suck it. Also crazy.
How about that town spirit didn't give anythign at all away? Saving up without spending on a medic is absolutely insane.

On March 07 2015 03:22 Half the Sky wrote:
Tube I have a question for you, since you're in thread now. Why are you ignoring the mechanics now? You said in that game and I see it here too, you don't want to deal with mechanics. (I'll admit I ignored them before Kita posted them after I went to bed last night.)

You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped?

I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise.

On March 07 2015 03:22 Half the Sky wrote:
Tube I have a question for you, since you're in thread now. Why are you ignoring the mechanics now? You said in that game and I see it here too, you don't want to deal with mechanics. (I'll admit I ignored them before Kita posted them after I went to bed last night.)

You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped?

I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise.

On March 07 2015 03:35 geript wrote:
Syllo soul reading Sandro is not me floating an idea. It's fucking true. It was fucking surprising to everyone in Catastrophe that Sandro got Syllo to townread him. Oh and btw, Syllo died before he could correct that view. Like any vet around here fucking knows that those two guys know each other really, really, really well.

On March 07 2015 03:39 sicklucker wrote:
Lynch hts and slam with fire in future days. Hts in particular is really digging deep for dirt on me.

On March 07 2015 03:43 geript wrote:
Palmer and Marv are not soulmates. They've misread each other a number of times. Hell I even used Marv's own heuristic in Russian to get him to ignore Palmer all together before we killed Marv. Rayn helped back me up on it and everyone bought it. The two are nothing like Syllo/Sandro. Marv/VE used to be soulmates. But that was a long time ago, roughly around when I started played. Me and Rayn used to be soulmates; now he can't read me for shit.

On March 07 2015 03:47 geript wrote:
Yah, because Syllo died as he began thinking Sandro was mafia.

On March 07 2015 03:53 geript wrote:

Yah, because your ideas are literally either posted as complete distractions or you're fucking insane.

On March 07 2015 04:02 geript wrote:
AFAIK.
1. Only Toad/Rayn scumread him. And Rayn's been fucking insane this game.
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On March 07 2015 04:28 geript wrote:

Point 1. Complete fail. Confirmed townies are #3 on the list of people to kill. Always #3. Below Roles and people who are able to read the game well and push lynches. Like this is insane.

Point 2. I've already explained this. Ninjas on D1 are worse for town than mafia are. It's counter intuitive, but if you remove a Ninja on D1, then you remove 3 KP that is very likely to hit town from the game. That's far more than you get from hitting mafia on D1.

Point 3. That's a big list of people who are quite likely to be mafia. GJ if you're town because you're a retard if you believe this shit.

Point 4. WAT?

Point 5. I think that there are "top town" who could be mafia. Like Robik only started posting after I bugged him. He's also a good enough player to be "salty" after not getting his shot. He's also done reasonably little and isn't following any sort of common sense read that I've seen him use in video mafia. I just don't fucking care to talk about them today because there's literally no point in that right now. I can't lynch Robik today. Kita could be mafia. I really haven't bothered looking at his filter since D1.

On March 07 2015 04:47 geript wrote:

I'm not pushing to kill you because I don't think you're mafia. Hence the short bus.

On March 07 2015 06:03 sicklucker wrote:
Well kurimis mafia. I think hes the most obvious mafia in the game atm. He even might have scum slipped

On March 07 2015 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
I dont want to understand what hes saying if his logic is to kill the green check and not the person claiming the green check

On March 07 2015 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
I dont want to understand what hes saying if his logic is to kill the green check and not the person claiming the green check

On March 07 2015 06:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I really don't know who to vote.

This is a problem.

On March 07 2015 06:37 Half the Sky wrote:
Fuck my life. The mechanics, I just don't even.

I'm switching. If sicklucker is town, I seriously am going to hate you all.

On March 07 2015 06:37 Half the Sky wrote:
Fuck my life. The mechanics, I just don't even.

I'm switching. If sicklucker is town, I seriously am going to hate you all.

On March 07 2015 06:41 sicklucker wrote:
Ok im positive Sandroba is mafia now considering how close this vote is. The bad news is I think im going to lose

On March 07 2015 06:46 kitaman27 wrote:


You know what's funny? I did flip a coin earlier in the day and it told me to vote sandroba. I'm going against fate here XD

I'm actually ignoring the cop check here.

I think the cop check is legit, but a town spirit can give a role to any faction and I think sandroba probably claims the check as any faction.

I know he didn't follow through, but sandroba claiming to shoot at the start of day one is a high risk policy as scum. sandroba is the type of player willing to make high risk players though which is why I'm back and forth so much.

SL got really worked up after the cop check. I'm wondering if he felt that he would lose straight up against tube which is why he went strong against sandro. The whole "I didn't know about roles in this game so I'm town" thing still bothers me. As town your posts are genuine, but as mafia you can lose track of what you've said earlier.

meh at least the deadline is interesting this cycle

On March 07 2015 06:47 Breshke wrote:


for clarity it probably makes most sense for you to actually name them

On March 07 2015 07:03 sicklucker wrote:
Its acualy insane how easy this game is from my pov. Now that hts switched to her obvious mafia side everyone voting the other guy is kind of a town read like heres who I think mafia is.

The pretty likelys

Hts - For sure like that late switch mafia sees they need the number. Im also getting a tone read from her. Shes mad/frusterated at me. She has no reason to be. She gets really annoyed when shes under presure as scum Ive seen it firsthand.

Slam - His mind was made up before he made a post. He never considered other worlds other then the cop is real because he said so

Sepulchre - I ignored him because I thought he was confirmed ninja. Dont remember anything hes said and he also blindly followed the cop. Did not even participate left his vote early and peaced.

Oatsmaster - Holding his vote to the last possible second and keepin his options open. I dont like it since this is basically a deul between a town and mafia

Kurumi - Going by meta on what ive been told hes mafia when he trolls. There was also that weird thing where he singled out a certain player as the mafia spirit "mafia knows who there spirit is town does not" The fact hes wasting his vote in the most absurd manner confuses me. If onegus mafia that means soramis mafia so why not just vote sorami? why waste your vote in a 8-9 vote count currently?

onegus - Hes just mafia. Was like im green checked? cool vote sicklucker bye

The Might have tricked mes

Breskes - He goes out of his way to disagree with everything I say but Ive had some sick tells If I were to wage rid say town

Kita - My first read on him was mafia because someone said "I forgot kitas even in this game so hes confirmed mafia"
Like I dont think ive played with kita im not sure how he plays. Im not sure

Geript - Complete loon as town. But I dont see him getting angry at things he should be angry at.

Bats - ??????????

On March 07 2015 07:06 sicklucker wrote:
Tube if your town fight for me and see this through. And if your mafia to quote robik

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On March 07 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote:


I really don't understand this you think he is town yet you don't believe any of his reasoning's? Can you explain this a bit more?

On March 07 2015 07:11 kitaman27 wrote:


Do you feel that it is beneficial not to interpret what "he's really saying" for the rest of us?

On March 07 2015 07:31 IAmRobik wrote:
oh, and:
4) I think enough people will switch off sandro that it shouldn't matter

On March 07 2015 07:34 IAmRobik wrote:
I just had a nightmare of a thought

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On March 07 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote:


You dont have too. Do you honestly think tubes more townie then me? I have like a 20 page filter...