[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia

On January 29 2015 09:56 GlowingBear wrote:
This looks great.

Fuck my hiatus

/in

On March 03 2015 09:09 Tubesock wrote:
Why don't we just vote for the shooting like we vote for the lynch?

ie

##Shoot: No shoot

and then one of us keep tabs like normal?

On March 03 2015 09:23 Alakaslam wrote:
I highly doubt that will work. A scum will shoot first; in fact town must take control of it.

Koshi knows this but won't tell why. He is either lazy or scum; wifom.

He then adds that if the shooter misses, they should die. Why?

If we don't take control of the shot, then it has merit to do that; shot wil be used by scum and land on town.

But this doesn't take into account bad town wifom; scumkoshi could say that, wait for a derp town to miss, and then get a free ML target to afk onto.

Yet here is why we should TAKE CONTROL OF THE SHOT; NOT RELINQUISH IT, NOT RANDO SHOOT.

Either way you relinquish it is bad; town loses KP to direct toward scum, and scum gets the possibility of counting on wifom and using it.

Also, opens up possibility of derp hero mindset townie using it poorly AND getting ml.

Whereas, if we unofficially vote on a kill that someone shoots at say, IML style or something, at least we get info from it and are more likely to ACTUALLY hit scum.

Anyone who shoots outside the vote, Koshi rule applies.

On March 03 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:


Have you played with scum slam before?

On March 03 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote:
Also to answer the question besides with the question, slams line of thought is pretty visible. He tries to trap and he is using logic...and the chupazi is with him this game.

His big post he just posted above this is pretty good also.

On March 03 2015 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:

That is absolutely wifom. Scum can work as hard as they please.

On March 03 2015 09:49 Half the Sky wrote:


Well here's the thing, I'm trying to sort out who's doing it for BS reasons, versus who would appear to be misguided. This isn't the first time I'm getting scumread by a load of people in the game when I'm town. The truth of the matter is, not everyone here knows how to read me, and I don't play entirely the same way each time I'm town, especially in a large game.

On March 03 2015 09:49 rsoultin wrote:


Horn of Africa. We were scum together, and you're right; Koshi's opening was very similar to this one.

On March 03 2015 09:52 Fecalfeast wrote:

Another reason to townread hts for me. Taking words right out of my brain

What has tubesack done other than pretend that he's a host? Making and updating a votecount is a really nice way to appear to be helpful while providing no input himself.

On March 03 2015 09:57 Fecalfeast wrote:

Helpful in that it organizes town's thoughts, I agree. I'm not scumreading tubesock, to make that clear. I'm just saying that the people giving him a pass for playing host are misguided.

On March 03 2015 10:00 Fecalfeast wrote:

Without digging myself into this conversation any further: I'm just adding to hts' sentiment that tubesock shouldn't be townread solely for putting in work.

On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote:

I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting.

On March 03 2015 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba is mafia.

On March 03 2015 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is mafia.

On March 03 2015 13:41 AT.Epiphany wrote:



Ok, so here's the thing, I've explained why it's of consequence. It gives Town (which I'm now doubting you are) a chance to come back if we're behind. That absolutely is of consequence. If you think not, please tell me why. Secondly, none of this is mutually exclusive with scum-hunting, which I said I would be posting on. Your attempt to get the device pressed and to avoid discussion of the topic is very scummy, because the device is unknown and hence chaotic, thereby favouring the scum. As Town we want the chaos only if/when we are losing.

Of course you will be happy to shoot me. I am Town, I'm being constructive, and judging by this reaction as well your really suspicious plans and reasoning about how to decide a shot makes me very suspicious of you. Also, I am just as capable of shooting you, so that's an unproductive threat.

On March 03 2015 14:05 AT.Epiphany wrote:



You should be, I've scum-read you as well now, because you insta-voted PRESS and are trying to avoid discussion. You are most likely scum as well, and I am just as willing to shoot you.

Stop threatening the newbie. I ain't backing down to this behaviour.

On March 03 2015 14:56 AT.Epiphany wrote:
So here's my scumread on Geript:

Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively. Here as well, he started pushing Koshi and the moment I made my post, his first reaction (even though I said I'm posting on shots as a follow-up) was to scumread me because my post was filler.

It isn't filler, the first person to post after me recognized as such, and geript has gambled on being aggressive and unpleasant thinking that people will agree with him because I am new to this forum. Look at his main contribution in the thread.

1) He's tried to normalize the idea that there's no point in trying to reach a consensus on a shot because somebody will shoot anyway. What he's really trying to push though, is the idea that it's normal and ok for everyone to take a shot at 24 hrs and the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want anybody to gain any information from the shot, which is why he's trying to press the line that there's no point reaching a consensus and then lynching anyone who breaks the consensus.

2) He's then tried to press the nonsensical idea of trying to hunt/lynch the 3P although that makes very little sense for reasons that have already been pointed out.

3) He tries to establish credibility by saying "these are the people I'm ok taking a shot". That doesn't prove anything though, especially since at this point he's done nothing useful except to try and debunk our most useful way of gaining information, which is to try and shoot the guy with the most votes.

4) He's been the one to try and turn the thread into a fight by abusing me (a fight he calculated he'll win because no one here knows me).

On March 03 2015 14:05 AT.Epiphany wrote:



You should be, I've scum-read you as well now, because you insta-voted PRESS and are trying to avoid discussion. You are most likely scum as well, and I am just as willing to shoot you.

Stop threatening the newbie. I ain't backing down to this behaviour.

On March 03 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You know the underline how?
Because i sure as hell don't know it.

On March 03 2015 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Like in this post you literally argue the exact same thing i do.
sandroba says the opposite yet it is not scummy?

On March 03 2015 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No, the logic makes absolutely no sense.

If we at some point are in LYLO you don't want to have an 30 page argument about if we should do something that is possibly going to lose us the game right away or not. You want to focus on finding mafia, and lynching mafia. If the device is unknown to the town at that point you are never ever going to even argue about using it because you do not want distraction in scumhunting. The cons outweigh the pros 100% in that situation.

What sandroba suggested is really really really mafia favored regardless of if the mafia knows what the device does or if they doesn't. Because his argument is that when TOWN is in a really bad position we should try it. Even if the device is unknown to mafia, in that situation it doesn't make MAFIA LOSE, but it CAN make TOWN LOSE.

If the device is town-favored you want to use it as soon as possible (if you are going to).
If the device is mafia-favored you want to find that out as soon as possible so you can get rid of it.
If you don't want to find out either, you just get rid of it, because the more time it stays unknown to the town, it becomes more mafia favoured just by being an unknown factor in the game.

It's like massclaiming in all-roled setups. You should always do it the first thing in the game. Dumb people are always gonna argue against it and then they still end up massclaiming in like LYLO when the most benefit of the act is already lost... But sandroba is not dumb. He is mafia.

On March 03 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know which is better. I'd rather try it out and see what it does, if it's bad then jsut get rid of it because then noone can argue against it. I try to keep it simple.

What's your read on your mom and Mocsta?

On March 03 2015 21:36 Koshi wrote:

Game started on 0000 and didn't feel like playing. I played doto and watched House of Cards.
I slept till 1200.
I am now at work till 1800, I got a lot to do so I don't think I will do to much. Depends a bit.
I will then be home but doto will call again and I have 0 urge to play this game as long as I didn't read anything yet.

So Wednesday sounds like a fun day to start.

On March 03 2015 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem is your mom scumread me AFTER i had already re-entered the thread.

On March 03 2015 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Breshke, a serious question:
Do you really think if i was mafia i would just call some random people mafia just to keep my options open?
Do you really think it's a possibility?

On March 03 2015 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay so walk me through this. You have said these things (originally) now in the last couple of hours or so:
- sandroba is not scummy for doing a scummy thing (yes you even argued for that ^^)
- you understood your mom's read on me despite it being completely wrong as i have stated in the thread a numerous times in the last couple of pages
- you had the same thought your mom did about me calling people mafia and not explaining it further when:

• that was not your original argument against me this morning, in fact when i posted "Koshi is scum" you wanted to shoot him! You never stated that as an argument for why i am mafia, yet now you did it. I intentionally asked you about it because what you posted this morning (probably your last night) in thread does not add up with what you are saying now.
  
• the game you just referenced in your post, the game where i was "really good town" i started the game EXACTLY like i did here. I called two people scum and held off the reasoning for a very long time. Apparently you remember this game quite well since you referenced it, why don't you remember my play in this game at the start of the game is EXACTLY the same?
  

- you say you don't have an idea if i would throw out random scumreads as mafia. well, you know i do give out scumreads without initially reasoning them as town as i pointed above. You even AGREED with a scumread with me, the Koshi read, regardless of what my reasoning is/was, and now you were calling me mafia for it?

Your arguments are really out of place and you are definitely not thinking about the game properly. You are not stupid, which has been proven by your actions in many of the games you have played, so it means you are probably mafia.

On March 04 2015 08:27 Alakaslam wrote:

as well?

How was shooting town a good shot? Was momma that destructive? Hiiiiiiiijole!

On March 04 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote:
people just you know...stubborn lol ><

On March 04 2015 08:35 rsoultin wrote:
Your Mom? His reads weren't impressive, which was part of the problem.

Filter, Breshke -shoos-

On March 04 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote:
people just you know...stubborn lol ><

On March 04 2015 13:37 Damdred wrote:
Ok, sooo I had a hellish night at work and i'm going to pass out. I'm going to check this post in the morning to see whats after it. Who should I read and give responses on since i'm really behind and kinda thinking theres no hope in catching up with the pace of the thread or keeping up at this rate.

On March 03 2015 23:06 Mocsta wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=Breshke&view=all
Bresche filter.

Conclusion: Fairly likely to be mafia
Recommend to be shot

Reasoning

Wishywashy Content
Bresche early filter focuses on the "plan" for town to control the shot after 24hrs.
This is not typically alignment indicative early on, however, it is interesting to note that Bresche has a focus on establishing "town" reads; and not questioning his "scum" reads. Even more so, given that Rayn has been quite active in the thread.

Further, note the confidence Bresche exudes when referring to Tubesock (and to a lesser degree Slam + Koshi + FecalFeast) as town. Everyone knows list collaborations are an easy tool for scum to utilising when feigning contribution. But Bresche begs to differ, offering the generic morsel that this effort is too much to be scum.

Which leads us to
Congruence
I get no focus in his filter. There is talk but none of it has proper conclusions that are reinforced within *THIS* game. His filter has no consistency in thought. Posts within a short duration jump from target to target; which when combined with the tendency to buddy people as town indicate a motive to blend in and offer meaningless contributions.

Possibly best exemplified by:


&

Couple points
Bresche goes into a lot of detail to debunk Epiphany points on Geript, however, at no point takes a stance on Geript OR EPIPHANY
This is critical.
Bresche last 2 paragraphs reads as "Im about to wreck yo", and ends miserley with ... "please post more"

Think about this.. town *WANT* to pursue their scumspects. What we get here is Bresche saying this:
(1) I want you to hang yourself; or,
(2) I want someone else to take the lead with hanging you; or,
(3) I am giving myself flexibilty to pursue or withdraw.

I havent played mafia in about a year, but to me, this has always been indicative of a mafia mentality.

On March 04 2015 14:02 Mocsta wrote:
I don't get it.

Last night I was a scum read to you

I make a "case" on you
You ignore
Then chase someone who called me scum

I repost the "case"

Still no acknowledement

On March 04 2015 14:02 Mocsta wrote:
I don't get it.

Last night I was a scum read to you

I make a "case" on you
You ignore
Then chase someone who called me scum

I repost the "case"

Still no acknowledement

On March 04 2015 14:49 Mocsta wrote:
The qualifier is partly.
Further it is for a personal/fallacious reason that is difficult to read as creditable.

effectively You can recant the read any time you want.

My point stands

On March 04 2015 14:51 Mocsta wrote:
Finally.

Some balls

Chasing was literal. You were pestering him.
Again it reads for the sake of having to talk.

No conviction , no congruence.

It certainly doesn't read that you though batsbacks was scummy. rather just stupid.

On March 04 2015 08:39 Breshke wrote:


lol i thought that this



Ment that you were telling people to not shoot YM as you were with LS my bad.

Anyway what do you think about bats. He isnt really pushing anything this game other than like one or two posts on mocsta. Isn't his town tell if he pushes anything at all not really seeing it here. Also says he will 100% shoot and doesn't end up even attempting too. Seemingly forcing town to rush there shot IDK?

On March 04 2015 15:12 Mocsta wrote:
Fine . I take back stupid

But that post you quoted reinforces your scumminess.

Everything with you is qualifiers. Even batsnacks is a contradiction.

And again. Given you said I leaned scum. Your conclusion on batsnacks is not a natural flow of thoughts.

On March 04 2015 15:19 Mocsta wrote:
stupid was a Freudian slip. I was thinking about you when I wrote that.

Regarding batsnacks. That logic applies to half the players in the game. Only 2 people attempted to shoot. So what's the point of your statement?
That you conveniently apply evidence 'fir for purpose'?

On March 04 2015 17:44 sicklucker wrote:
Dandred called me town and didnt do anything. Breske focused on one person I didnt find interesting (dont even know who it is) and did nothing

On March 04 2015 17:49 sicklucker wrote:
Why are you making up lies to make me look bad? I specifically said in thread thats a tiebreaker and why I was about to shoot you over dandred but I just couldnt decide in time.

On March 04 2015 07:47 sicklucker wrote:
I really want to shoot bresh. Also everytime hes roled scum he died to veg on n1 so it will be hilarious.

On March 04 2015 17:08 sicklucker wrote:
I was highly debating between breske and dandred. But I was hesitant and too slow on the draw.

As for me making sense. It happens I had sound logic as to who was scum in that massive christmas game but people kind of got feed up that all my thoughts came through presents even tho the presents did explain why hf and ritoky were mafia.

On March 04 2015 18:04 rsoultin wrote:
sandroba was another I don't really have a read on yet

if you've got thoughts on keir, I'd like to hear them, tube. also lol...in a game of so many players, the difference between top and third town is kinda miniscule

bresh, I know you don't often get many scumreads day 1, but I personally don't mind townreads and reasons as much as other players seem to. can I get a spot check on where you're at right now?

On March 04 2015 18:39 rsoultin wrote:


yeah that's literally the only reason ^^; I don't know mocsta from adam but he went looking through filters for me and what he came up with mirrored some of my reads

On March 05 2015 09:05 kitaman27 wrote:
Well I guess this effectively makes our job easier by removing Onegu from the discussion.

Either sandroba is town so we don't lynch onegu or sandroba is mafia so we lynch sandroba.

sandroba receiving a cop check doesn't necessarily make him town. Even a fake claim is easy to do in this setup if it's a 1-shot since he isn't forced to keep revealing checks.

I suppose we could try to abuse the setup by having a spirit give one of three players a town role tonight, confirming that they gave sandroba a cop check night one. Gotta think about the logistics of this a bit more.

Going to bed rather soon because I'm really tired. Will give my thoughts tomorrow after reading the three players under consideration and the filters of our flipped players.

On March 05 2015 10:27 sicklucker wrote:
Dumbtells are a proven fact to read me. Like do you really think I didnt properly read the op or talk to my mafia partners about these things in the qt?

On March 05 2015 10:31 sicklucker wrote:
And even less likely because my pm says town and I had a early day1 townread on tube

On March 05 2015 10:33 sicklucker wrote:
All these facts together make it like a fakeclaim insless the stars allign. Something like 95%+ theres even the geript thing setting it up making it even more likely its a fake in my mind. Like if hes fake geript literally gave him the idea and prevoted that he would believe him. Making more of a motive to fakeclaim

On March 05 2015 10:37 sicklucker wrote:


I just looked in my filter an didnt see it maybe I only thought it. I was spending my day1 time in another game trying to win an impossible game as mafia in final 3. What were you doing day 1?

On March 05 2015 10:48 Tubesock wrote:


I think Sandroba is either cop or a cop of sorts (mafia) + Show Spoiler +. So either way Onegu is pretty much confirmed town.

On March 05 2015 10:58 sicklucker wrote:


This post by kurmi is acualy super weird. Who does he say foolishness is mafia? How would he know? This sounds like a cute little troll that chezina or kurimi would do as mafia. Do mafia know who there spirit is?

On January 29 2015 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The Mafia spirit knows who their teammates are, the Town spirit does not. Both spirits can buy roles and assign them to players.

On March 05 2015 11:50 Tubesock wrote:


Probably Sicklucker. Onegu and Sandroba's filters are meh. I would be thinking more about Sandroba due to both Toad and Rayne scumming him. Hell, I think even Kita was too. Geript towned him.

To me it is between an unclaimed Sandroba and Sicklucker. Sick because of what I've said before. I think he's making too much sense and not being crazy wild like normal. I expected some fake cop claim trap like in Imperial or something similiarly ridiculous that makes me pissed at him. He's so nice here...that makes me scared.

But with Sandroba's sweep in and claim sweep out, with dead towns thoughts on him, my thoughts on Geript, like I don't see a world where I really move my vote from Sandroba.

On March 05 2015 11:55 Onegu wrote:



I didn't submit one, I am wondering if you don't vote if it counts as the wait option

On March 05 2015 11:58 sicklucker wrote:


By your own logic it should be between onegu and tube since theres a big chance I get attacked for being a ninja...

On March 05 2015 12:01 Tubesock wrote:


By the end of his second page he had at least 3 reads.

On March 05 2015 12:07 sicklucker wrote:
My day 1 reads

Town - Ls rayn rstoulin Tube (dont think I posted the tube part it might have only been in my head)
Null- Bats I suggested not shooting him because he pushed someone when robik brought it up
Scummy that I was considering shooting - Koshi breske dandred

On March 05 2015 12:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm around but I'm surprisingly tired.

SL looks pretty good in his last few pages. Meh. I'm leaning towards voting Sandroba atm.

Also, I didn't vote on the button. I wanted to press it but I kind of forgot to send the PM and junk.

On March 05 2015 12:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Idk, I like the way he's pushing the thread I guess.

Lmao I shouldn't have opened this game when I'm this tired.

On March 04 2015 07:44 sicklucker wrote:
Im thinking like bats/breske maybe dandred but id reread his filter before I make that one

On March 04 2015 07:44 sicklucker wrote:
Like bats acualy goes after someone in his filter and he will yolo shoot to savehimself so maybe not bats

On March 04 2015 09:32 sicklucker wrote:


because hes mafia

On March 05 2015 13:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Well Breshke and sicklucker going at it I going to bed it's kinda late but when I get back I will check the progress everything!

On March 05 2015 15:29 Onegu wrote:
I voted SL for now.

On March 05 2015 16:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Who are the people we can lynch today?

On March 05 2015 16:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Wait. nevermind. I can't be lynched. I'll be back in 3 days or so. Good luck

On March 05 2015 16:55 IAmRobik wrote:

can prolly kill sandro



100% cause I can't be fucked and cause I can't die so suck it. Plus Rayn TR'd me so i can't be lynched or else you're all just gonna be berated in post game

I wrote my action in the thread. If we had to pm it, then i didn't take any. I wrote to destroy in thread

On March 05 2015 18:10 Tubesock wrote:


If you are the least likely to get lynched then I would agree with you. But, I just find it hard to believe that you are. I honestly think you are the LEAST likely to be lynched here. I can't see how if you, Sick and I are town that you are actually the easiest mlynch.

I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point. It's really up to the thread to figure that out anyway. If you truly believe this is a true check, then you have to think I'm mafia. I'm doing a desparate play to survive. SL is just being SL. He's not mafia.

On March 05 2015 18:19 sicklucker wrote:


STFU BRESKE THIS IS ME PREGAME. I was in lylo in like two games. I didnt plan to play day1 (like most day ones)

I had a pregame excuse you cant use that garbage that my day 1 was weak. I have a sick amountof solid excuses. Judge me on today whereim clearly town its really not hard

On March 05 2015 18:23 sicklucker wrote:
Also my filter this game is almost as long as my entire filter in office mafia oats... Like im never scum here I dont post this much as scum

On March 05 2015 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Blah I'm not sure if that made sense but sandro could've chose anyone to fake a claim on and he faked it on someone that is up for lynch today and a possible mislynch is a bit too much for me to swallow.

On March 05 2015 18:33 sicklucker wrote:
We used the thread for 90% of context. Why do you always have to argue about everything when your town? I think your town because you did point out there not in my filter. When im mafia my tell is a much smaller filter size. So far I have 9 pages on day 1...

See when you play 3 games at once you forget what you post but I have no reason to make up a town read on the person im up against. I did think those reads I just assumed I wrote them down at some point.

On March 05 2015 18:43 Tubesock wrote:
Is there really that much more risk by "checking" someone in the cell than outside?

If someone had a cop check on someone and ended up in a cell with them it's an absolute no brainer to claim like Sandroba did.

If the check was outside, wouldn't you claim differently? You guys already kinda thought the claim was too casual as it was.

Plus, hell I'd gamble that Onegu who hasn't really been motivated to play wouldn't be further motivated with a green check. Now you just have to fight against 2 people instead of 3.

On March 05 2015 18:48 sicklucker wrote:


Everyone makes shit up as mafia... Thats the point its called deception. But how does a townread on a dead person and tubesock push any agenda?

On March 05 2015 19:14 Tubesock wrote:


You're right. There are other plays. This seems to me to be the best. I've said multiple times already why.

So, show that I'm scum or ninja then. You are saying that Sicklucker might be scum over me? But then earlier you said it would be better to lynch ninja. So, why are you not pushing me? Instead of saying how stupid I am.

On March 05 2015 19:21 geript wrote:

That has to do with kp reduction though.

On March 05 2015 19:45 Breshke wrote:
Oh shit he did call rsoultin town lol

Anyway not sure if this matters but

Press
Breshke
Guard
LS
Destroy
FF
HtS
Mocsta
Did not submit
Tube
Sl
Onegu
OWS
Robik
Oats

This is what people have said so far i believe. Now if we assume that people who did not submit don't default to guard we can draw a few conclsuons about the device.

If mafia know what the device does I believe they could have easily all voted for the same action and gotten it passed considering how many did not submits there is. So it wasn't destroyed meaning it isn't good for town. It wasn't pressed meaning it was currently not good for mafia. It was guarded meaning it may be of future use to mafia.

This is all useless if mafia don't know what the device does so do therefore not give a fuck but we are probably safest destroying it on the off chance they do.

Also I like Mocsta a lot this phase, might be because he is mainly active when I am being from similar timezones but he seems to be trying to lead town when a lot of the people doing this ebfore him (rayn, rsoultin) are now dead. Could argue that this works for him as mafia but his reads are lining up with mine so that also helps.

On March 06 2015 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah exactly you have no strong conclusion to that post and your analysis is useless for finding scum.


What a wishy washy sentence.

On March 06 2015 17:00 geript wrote:

This I can understand. This I can get. But I can just disagree with it based on better evidence.

Breshke, did you get a role last night?

On March 06 2015 17:40 sicklucker wrote:


Ive never acualy seen you right about anything in like 4 games we played together...

On March 06 2015 17:46 sicklucker wrote:
Well like his ego is too huge. Look at are last game together where he was mafia. He was wrong about everything. Literraly everything an dhe got modkilled for bein gmad about it. Now hes like IM TOO GOOD FOR THIS GAME. Yes im going to give him shit especially as town. If I was mafia I wouldnt try to piss people off thats how you know when im town or mafia.

On March 06 2015 18:03 sicklucker wrote:
Probably town

On March 06 2015 18:34 Tubesock wrote:


I have said several times that it's possible that Geript is town.

Everyone is acting like we are guaranteed to have tons of blue powers every day. Like, why doesn't anyone think it's more than minusculely possible that the spirits didn't hand out any traditional blue role powers?

What if there are powers that the spirits have to gain information and then they can spend points to mason with a player?

I'm not seeing the value in discussing what the amount of power roles are. People think that since no one has claimed that there was only 2 powers given. Well, shit there could really only have been 2 powers given. Sandroba could actually have given a cop check power. Geript could have actually been given a bullet.

I think if Sandroba is cop, then that would make Sicklucker mafia. If Sicklucker was mafia, he'd know that the cop check was real and have absolutely no choice but to attack me and go balls out on me or counter claim. So, I guess you'd have to ask yourself what play you think is more likely for Sicklucker to do in that situation. Attack me, or side with me and hope you guys believe my idea. How hard would it be for Sicklucker to discredit my idea and crush me as a liar?

Really, I think there are only 2 people in this game that thinks Sandroba fake claimed. Both of us are in the cell. Is Sicklucker confident enough to overcome that over attacking me with the help of Geript?

On March 07 2015 05:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Actually I just realized that Mocsta has both Bats and me as mafia together even though I'm trying to kill him.

Hrm.

On March 07 2015 05:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Oh joy. Pre-flip associatives.

On March 07 2015 06:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


How is it contradictory?

On March 07 2015 06:27 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - for Breshke, Sandroba IMO looks worse today. Look at the answers he gave to kitaman particularly the scummers on his wagon, for example.

I mean if I were town and my bum is on the line and I'm about to get MLed I'd be at the VERY worst trying to give as much information like a last testament or something more substantial.

And the vote is bloody close too.

I don't understand his behaviour. I honestly don't.

On March 07 2015 04:40 sandroba wrote:
@town spirit If somehow I get lynched you should give out vigis if you can to 2 people not voting for me, 1 in the lower half of the player list and the other in the top half of the player list. Top half should shoot tube and bottom half shoots SL so you both don't stack.

On March 07 2015 06:45 Tubesock wrote:
Also, for clarity I think HtS is town. I'm thinking of 2 others.

On March 07 2015 07:07 Tubesock wrote:


you're actually really wrong. You mean Obi instead of Oats, Oats has voted for some time. I don't really believe any of the rest of the reasonings either.

You can't be more wrong on Kurumi.

On March 07 2015 07:21 IAmRobik wrote:
Ok. This is good info. We now have the answer to our earlier question -- benevolent and malevolent spirit do not know who is town/mafia.

Syllo, you're an idiot for giving out a check to a random who you think you read well instead of someone who is clearly fucking town just because you have history with him and less history with the rest of us.

I'm glad you did it by choosing favorites as opposed to choosing it by reading the actual thread. /s

Not unvoting cause your read is prolly shit tier and wrong.

On March 07 2015 08:20 IAmRobik wrote:
HtS, I can conclude
1) you're mafia
2) you fucking suck at the game

which would you rather me conclude?

On March 07 2015 08:46 IAmRobik wrote:

I realized he was town when I posted about realizing he was town. I also said that we should lynch sandroba because he's mafia, and even if he's NOT mafia, we learn A SHITTON from his flip. Like if sandro flips town, we know onegu is town and we know that sick/tube is mafia. Now we're stuck with at least on mafia out of 3 tomorrow. What's your fucking plan now? Are we just going to try to lynch them in order and hope to hit right? You've committed to lynching sicklucker, so now I guess you're going to push for a Tube lynch tomorrow? If you're not pushing a tube lynch tomorrow then i assume you're going to push a sandroba one...but if you are going to push a sandro lynch tomorrow, YOU MAY AS WELL HAVE PUSHED THE SANDRO LYNCH TODAY.

This is all logic that I laid out before all of you slipped to sicklucker and laughed and then expressed trremendous shock when sicklucker flipped town -- which was obviously going to happen because of how genuine he was being at end of day...how he was giving his reads...how he mentioned his long as filter. Like alllllll fucking screaming signs of him being town.

On March 07 2015 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:

I think ninja only wins if he kills ninja, no other win condition

On March 07 2015 09:59 Fecalfeast wrote:

Aren't you mafia though?

On March 08 2015 13:11 kitaman27 wrote:


Well geript claims mafia, we elect you as a result, game would end.

Thoughts on my list?

[B]On March 08 2015 07:46 Onegu wrote:



Wait until.day post

On March 08 2015 15:40 Tubesock wrote:


I would as I believe you are town. I also believe Geript is mafia. I also know I am town. So, I elect you, you kill Geript, then by your agenda you lynch me. Then town loses.

On March 08 2015 15:46 Tubesock wrote:
My point about Robik. I'm thinking about the value of knowing his motivations. Do they meet up with towns at the moment? Enemy of my enemy and such.

Onegu, I'm less certain of his motivation. AND I think if he were mayor, why shoot Geript? He has a red check on him. He should shoot me.

So, a vote for Onegu means a dead Tubesock. If you guys think I'm scum then go for it. Why bother killing Geript, since he has the red check?

On March 08 2015 15:56 Keirathi wrote:

How do we get 3 confirmed town out of it?

Does the mission require unanimous success, or just a majority?

On March 08 2015 15:57 Tubesock wrote:


I nominate Breshke.

Vet him. If he's on your basic page, and you think he's critically thinking about the game then use him.

If you are certain that Kita and Chez are town (I've said I am lots of times) then you can use me. As your 2nd mafia pick, I can't vote to fail the mission. If it fails, you know that 2 in there are mafia, and you can't be wrong about both of those guys. If Kita and Chez are mafia, they deserve to win this game anyway.

So, even as mafia I would have no choice but to vote pass.

On March 08 2015 16:12 Tubesock wrote:


Hence I nominate you. Although, you can WIFOM if I'm mafia making a play and actually not wanting you in.

Being a unanimous vote would be crazy. It would mean you pick 1 non town and mafia wins a shot. That's horrible right?

On March 08 2015 16:25 Tubesock wrote:


Do you want me to elaborate more on why I think Kurumi is town?

On March 08 2015 17:53 geript wrote:
As a reminder to 3P. The game started with 26 players. 10 town are currently dead. It's currently 8 v 2 v 6. As 3P your best chance right now is to give mafia the KP. Just saying you know, if you can kill town now, it's actually in your favor to do so. We might feel reasonably indebted to you. That said, I wouldn't fault you for keeping your last shuriken to see what happens.

On March 08 2015 18:46 Tubesock wrote:
All we need is Syllo to random gift a doc type ability to town and we save the ninja.

mafia needs 2 shots to kill the ninja. Vest takes one, doc saves the other, ninja lives, no towns die.

Town has something to offer you ninja.

On March 08 2015 19:55 Tubesock wrote:


If I were mayor, it would be Onegu, Kitaman and Kurumi. I could easily put you in there too. As far as I'm concerned you 4 are the only towns outside of me.

I think Epiphany is next most likely. I actually like his filter. I think I just disliked him because I thought he should have thicker skin, but that's actually really stupid of me.

On March 08 2015 20:14 geript wrote:
Lolz. Like the ninja with a shot is going to do anything at all. Mafia ignores him. He waits for mafia to narrow down who to shoot then can literally just vote with mafia.

On March 09 2015 01:29 kitaman27 wrote:
Vote count
sicklucker (10): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke, Alakaslam, sandroba,Alakaslam, kitaman27, Half the Sky, ObiWanShinobi, Tubesock
Sandroba (6): sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Tubesock, AT.Epiphany, Half the Sky, Mocsta, Oatsmaster, LightningStrike, IAmRobik
Onegu (1): Kurumi
Tubesock (2): batsnacks, sicklucker

Not voted (1): Keirathi

It kinda seems like mafia were sitting back when it was close and then town piled the votes onto sicklucker near the end.

On March 09 2015 09:35 Alakaslam wrote:

This actually is fail logic.

Tubesock is town FOR doing something objectively scummy and knows he is town therefore those who voted in the least scummy fashion are therefore scum.

I actually think tube is town as well, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, yet this logic is objectively BS and makes me wonder about possible breshke and tube scum- like wow

On March 05 2015 08:45 Tubesock wrote:
Sicklucker, why are you towning me? You know I'm probably voting you right?

On March 05 2015 10:09 Tubesock wrote:


That's fine. Vote me and kill me, then when I flip you'll kill Sandroba or Geript. I'll happily die for this Tinfoil Hat Theory.

On March 05 2015 18:03 Tubesock wrote:


Bring it. Let's dance. I'm perfectly happy turning this effectively into a duel between Sandroba and I.

Vote me. You must still like your case on me. You should have more ammo by now.

On March 07 2015 14:25 Tubesock wrote:
I've thought about some things.

1. If the next day is a duel of some sort I'm dueling Sandroba. There are two things that will stop this. Information that would lead me to think Onegu is mafia. Or Sandroba is already dead.

2. If it's mayor I'm heavily pushing Robik or Kithaman27. I'd push Kurumi but I know he's not electable.

3. Geript and I will no longer shit the thread. I have gained all the information I need from him. He is useless to me now. If I respond to his questions again the post will contain the page number of my filter where I already answered his question. If he decides to care about this game and ask for new information then I'll answer.

4. All my reads are current and can be found in my filter with the exception of:

Half the Sky - Now suspicious. I didn't realize I was suspicious when I last mentioned her. But, Robik.
Obiwanshinobi is mafia. He wasn't looking for more information on who to vote. He was worried about how he'd look voting.
Supulchre - suspicious. Geript shot (I believe the claim now), and Kurumi most likely right (among others).

Those of you counting, I have 9 nontown suspects.

I'll be around for some hours. I have to work tomorrow, so I'll be gone for the start of the new day.

On March 05 2015 09:51 Tubesock wrote:


There is only 1 mafia here per OP. There could be a ninja in here as well.

On March 09 2015 08:57 kitaman27 wrote:




The reason I ask is because geript felt compelled to bring him up without saying anything about him.

On March 10 2015 07:05 Tubesock wrote:
If epiphany and kuru I don't vote we lost didn't we?