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On March 06 2015 18:12 Breshke wrote:Good answer. Tube i want to let you know that I don't think it is possible for sandroba AND geript to be mafia. You need to reconsider or explain how you think town got 0 PR's D1.
I have said several times that it's possible that Geript is town.
Everyone is acting like we are guaranteed to have tons of blue powers every day. Like, why doesn't anyone think it's more than minusculely possible that the spirits didn't hand out any traditional blue role powers?
What if there are powers that the spirits have to gain information and then they can spend points to mason with a player?
I'm not seeing the value in discussing what the amount of power roles are. People think that since no one has claimed that there was only 2 powers given. Well, shit there could really only have been 2 powers given. Sandroba could actually have given a cop check power. Geript could have actually been given a bullet.
I think if Sandroba is cop, then that would make Sicklucker mafia. If Sicklucker was mafia, he'd know that the cop check was real and have absolutely no choice but to attack me and go balls out on me or counter claim. So, I guess you'd have to ask yourself what play you think is more likely for Sicklucker to do in that situation. Attack me, or side with me and hope you guys believe my idea. How hard would it be for Sicklucker to discredit my idea and crush me as a liar?
Really, I think there are only 2 people in this game that thinks Sandroba fake claimed. Both of us are in the cell. Is Sicklucker confident enough to overcome that over attacking me with the help of Geript?
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Also, why not have 4 vests distributed? No one would know they were protected.
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On March 06 2015 18:12 Breshke wrote:Good answer. Tube i want to let you know that I don't think it is possible for sandroba AND geript to be mafia. You need to reconsider or explain how you think town got 0 PR's D1.
Why exactly?
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On March 06 2015 19:12 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 18:34 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2015 18:12 Breshke wrote:On March 06 2015 18:03 sicklucker wrote:
Probably town Good answer. Tube i want to let you know that I don't think it is possible for sandroba AND geript to be mafia. You need to reconsider or explain how you think town got 0 PR's D1. I have said several times that it's possible that Geript is town. Everyone is acting like we are guaranteed to have tons of blue powers every day. Like, why doesn't anyone think it's more than minusculely possible that the spirits didn't hand out any traditional blue role powers? What if there are powers that the spirits have to gain information and then they can spend points to mason with a player? I'm not seeing the value in discussing what the amount of power roles are. People think that since no one has claimed that there was only 2 powers given. Well, shit there could really only have been 2 powers given. Sandroba could actually have given a cop check power. Geript could have actually been given a bullet. I think if Sandroba is cop, then that would make Sicklucker mafia. If Sicklucker was mafia, he'd know that the cop check was real and have absolutely no choice but to attack me and go balls out on me or counter claim. So, I guess you'd have to ask yourself what play you think is more likely for Sicklucker to do in that situation. Attack me, or side with me and hope you guys believe my idea. How hard would it be for Sicklucker to discredit my idea and crush me as a liar? Really, I think there are only 2 people in this game that thinks Sandroba fake claimed. Both of us are in the cell. Is Sicklucker confident enough to overcome that over attacking me with the help of Geript? I personally think you have looked far more townie than sandroba has so your thing about sicklucker doesn't really make much sense to me. Like i get what you are trying to say but i don't agree. There is value in discussing power roles. I refuse to believe that town got 0 power roles given to them from the spirit and are not claiming them. Even if it was something like you said a mason chat, that person can still claim it. Geript is basically confirmed town.to me I know his shot didn't go off but why claim vigi as mafia when you could just hide it or if he didn't receive it why claim it in the first place. I realised i really can't be bothered trying to explain this because geript basically has. Your 4 vest theory is probably wrong because rayn or toad didn't receive one. It is fairly disheartening that so few people outside the cell seem to care but im sure stuff will probably pick up tonight while im asleep. I've got family over soon so ill be popping in and out
the 4 vest thing is just an example. I'm just saying it could be anything. There are far more possibilities that we could have no idea about.
In my theory I said that Geript could have unknowingly set up the Sandroba play. I've said repeatedly that it's possible that Geript is town. I don't think so for things I posted before the night ended when freaking Rayne got me all worried a ninja was going to kill me. Rayne was scumming Geript hard. With that I saw that Sandroba, independently of Geript, if he were mafia would easily fakeclaim in his position. He probably saw what Geript said about Syllo and the soulread.
I also think that Geript is smart enough to probably have kept more quiet about it. Why not breadcrumb or leave it at the first time he said he had an interesting way to read Sandroba? Wouldn't that be better if Geript were town? Wait to see if he does it and then boom! reference his post he mentioned it and explain. He basically helped Sandroba get the fakeclaim idea or set up the play. I think he did it deliberately for whatever reason(s). He very well could have just done it as town too.
It doesn't really matter too much about Geript being town or mafia now. Mafia won't let him live if he is town. Not with random possible roles flying about.
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On March 06 2015 19:17 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 18:34 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2015 18:12 Breshke wrote:On March 06 2015 18:03 sicklucker wrote:
Probably town Good answer. Tube i want to let you know that I don't think it is possible for sandroba AND geript to be mafia. You need to reconsider or explain how you think town got 0 PR's D1. I have said several times that it's possible that Geript is town. Everyone is acting like we are guaranteed to have tons of blue powers every day. Like, why doesn't anyone think it's more than minusculely possible that the spirits didn't hand out any traditional blue role powers? What if there are powers that the spirits have to gain information and then they can spend points to mason with a player? I'm not seeing the value in discussing what the amount of power roles are. People think that since no one has claimed that there was only 2 powers given. Well, shit there could really only have been 2 powers given. Sandroba could actually have given a cop check power. Geript could have actually been given a bullet. I think if Sandroba is cop, then that would make Sicklucker mafia. If Sicklucker was mafia, he'd know that the cop check was real and have absolutely no choice but to attack me and go balls out on me or counter claim. So, I guess you'd have to ask yourself what play you think is more likely for Sicklucker to do in that situation. Attack me, or side with me and hope you guys believe my idea. How hard would it be for Sicklucker to discredit my idea and crush me as a liar? Really, I think there are only 2 people in this game that thinks Sandroba fake claimed. Both of us are in the cell. Is Sicklucker confident enough to overcome that over attacking me with the help of Geript? Do you have evidence that says sicklucker always goes for the smartest play as mafia? Does he never try to WIFOM? You're saying that since sicklucker isn't going after you he is town which makes sandroba the fake cop?
You're a ninja.
Sandroba is the fake cop and because Sicklucker isn't going after me makes Sicklucker town or possibly ninja. During my Tinfoil Hat Theory I thought Sicklucker was ninja. But I don't any longer. Sicklucker had 0 bearing on what I thought of Sandroba.
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On March 06 2015 23:53 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 23:24 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2015 22:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Vote countSandroba (5): sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Tubesock, AT.Epiphany, Half the Skysicklucker (4): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, BreshkeOnegu (1): KurumiTubesock (1): batsnacksNot voted (9): LightningStrike, ObiWanShinobi, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Sandroba, Mocsta, kitaman27, Keirathi, IAmRobikAt the current vote count, Sandroba will be lynched. You have to vote here. This is kinda where I'm at right now. goingn to vote sandroba. Ugg I just don't see why a scum sandroba checks/fake checks me as green? Like why not red check someone out of the cell? That way it's at least a 2for 1... And then depending on what lynch catgories come up it could be days before his check flips. Letting him live on a cop claim. Just doesn't make sense for a scum in my cell to give me a green check, when one of the most vocal players (Geript) would be pushing for my lynch.
Let's say we are about to start another mafia game. You roll mafia, and you decide you are going to play the town leader type meta. What are some things you need to survive?
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One other thing I would like town to consider.
IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.
Compare Geript.
Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.
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On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.
IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.
Compare Geript.
Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.
Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia.
Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas.
Geript not even considering any of them does.
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On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 02:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.
IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.
Compare Geript.
Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.
Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia. Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas. Geript not even considering any of them does. what idea?
That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell.
My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory.
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On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 03:04 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 03:01 IAmRobik wrote:On March 07 2015 02:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 07 2015 02:52 Tubesock wrote:
One other thing I would like town to consider.
IamRobik, Kithaman27, and Half the Sky all thought my theory is dumb as shit (still do I assume). ALL three are visibly investigating the points of that theory. Maybe not all of them, but certainly some of them. These people care about the truth, they want to find the scum. This is so obviously town motivated.
Compare Geript.
Town!Geript would be motivated to find the truth among the stupid. MafiaGeript would be motivated to either discredit the theory or bury the town.
Geript not liking your ideas doesn't make him mafia. Kithaman nor Robik liked my ideas. Geript not even considering any of them does. what idea? That Sandroba is scum, fakeclaiming to save himself and from having to work really hard to prove he isn't the lynch in this cell. My entire Tinfoil Hat Theory. wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check
Why haven't you mentioned that earlier? Why are you not voting yet?
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On March 07 2015 03:07 geript wrote:
How about that town only got 1 role on N1? Yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about non-standard roles? I know I got an exceptionally standard role. So yah, that's pretty crazy.
How about that Sandroba as mafia greenchecks the easiest mislynch in the pod? Also crazy.
How about that I'm lying about getting vigi role? Well I did. Suck it. Also crazy.
How about that town spirit didn't give anythign at all away? Saving up without spending on a medic is absolutely insane.
What I don't see from you is anything but saying how crazy and dumb my thoughts were. You repeatedly go back to that. Yet your lynch pool is Sicklucker and I. Shouldn't it be fairly simple to differentiate from 2 bad towns and look at intent and motivation?
Look at Robik. He thinks I'm bad. He ignores everything I write, but is investigating things outside of me. You somehow are stuck talking to a donkey and not investigating. What are you gaining from this?
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On March 07 2015 03:22 Half the Sky wrote:
Tube I have a question for you, since you're in thread now. Why are you ignoring the mechanics now? You said in that game and I see it here too, you don't want to deal with mechanics. (I'll admit I ignored them before Kita posted them after I went to bed last night.)
You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped?
I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise.
Mostly, it's to keep things more simple. This game is no different than poker. Things are probabilities. It's funny, it's basically exactly like Jarjarbinks approached the game when I murdered him. I murdered him because he wasn't thinking deep enough about is %'s and not doing the common sense testing. Like he had just wildly weird numbers for some of the people.
Here, I think the probability of the world that Syllo would give Sandroba a role and everyone being town far less than MafiaGeript decided at the beginning of the game that he's going to make some plays. He's going to float out that Syllo soul reads Sandroba, get a vet to confirm it's not impossible before they die, and have mafiaSandroba fakeclaim cop.
Fakeclaiming cop gives mafia a reason to kill Onegu at night. This implies that mafiaGeript only needs to find one other reason that he survived Night 2 while mafia killed 2 towns. The risk is that Onegu flips ninja (why I was hoping Onegu is ninja and I cased Fecalfeast) and then we realize an absent Sandroba is mafia. Onegu flipping ninja is what a 1/8 chance without even thinking about who could be. If they thought about who could be they could make the odds better in their favor that Onegu would flip town.
if Sandroba is mafia it is more likely to me that he would fakeclaim knowing town would most likely spare him at least a day. AND he can continue to pack for his US trip without worry of dying and hurting mafia.
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On March 07 2015 03:22 Half the Sky wrote:
Tube I have a question for you, since you're in thread now. Why are you ignoring the mechanics now? You said in that game and I see it here too, you don't want to deal with mechanics. (I'll admit I ignored them before Kita posted them after I went to bed last night.)
You did the same thing in Newbie LX before. Remember when Shining said how a vet/doc wasn't balanced and then you wandered into TFH territory on the unCCed medic mislynch after the vet flipped?
I don't understand your approach this game. As in why you aren't potentially using understanding of the mechanics to help you make your decision. Failure to do so in that game (partially) led to your demise.
Haha sorry I didn't actually answer your question.
The mechanics don't affect my train of thought. It doesn't matter to me or change the situation if there are 5 roles given, no roles given or if Geript is lying or telling the truth about his shot. Sandroba could actually be telling the truth about the cop check, it still doesn't change the play.
If Sandroba IS cop and DID check Onegu and he is mafia, then Onegu is a super safe nightkill and excuse for town leading mafia to survive. Probability speaking, I don't think that all the mafia are the lurkers or baddies. That's silly.
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On March 07 2015 03:35 geript wrote:
Syllo soul reading Sandro is not me floating an idea. It's fucking true. It was fucking surprising to everyone in Catastrophe that Sandro got Syllo to townread him. Oh and btw, Syllo died before he could correct that view. Like any vet around here fucking knows that those two guys know each other really, really, really well.
Every vet knows that Palmer and Marvellosity are also soulmates.
How long did it take to Palmer to figure out Marv in Imperial.
You're saying it's 100% read chance. How long has it been since Syllo has played? Sandroba? If they were constantly playing I could buy that it's a 100%. I've only been here since around December, I haven't seen them play.
You're saying that a 100% everytime is absolutely true, but not a single point I have made has any possibility of being true. What's your motivation to think that?
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On March 07 2015 03:39 sicklucker wrote:
Lynch hts and slam with fire in future days. Hts in particular is really digging deep for dirt on me.
I don't know about Slam yet, but you are 100% wrong on HtS.
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On March 07 2015 03:43 geript wrote:
Palmer and Marv are not soulmates. They've misread each other a number of times. Hell I even used Marv's own heuristic in Russian to get him to ignore Palmer all together before we killed Marv. Rayn helped back me up on it and everyone bought it. The two are nothing like Syllo/Sandro. Marv/VE used to be soulmates. But that was a long time ago, roughly around when I started played. Me and Rayn used to be soulmates; now he can't read me for shit.
But Syllo/sandro are 100% soulmates still.
I'd buy 50/50 sure. Hell even 80%, but seriously 100%?
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On March 07 2015 03:47 geript wrote:
Yah, because Syllo died as he began thinking Sandro was mafia.
So here, Syllo got a 100% soulread by the end of Day 1? and how many months ago was this game?
100% soulread is true, but all my idea have 0% to be true....really?
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On March 07 2015 03:53 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 03:50 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2015 03:47 geript wrote:
Yah, because Syllo died as he began thinking Sandro was mafia. So here, Syllo got a 100% soulread by the end of Day 1? and how many months ago was this game? 100% soulread is true, but all my idea have 0% to be true....really? Yah, because your ideas are literally either posted as complete distractions or you're fucking insane.
Either case is so anti town you are a giant pussy for not voting me and going full bore on me.
Like townGeript would rip me to pieces.
You know I am right. That is why you haven't done shit to me.
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There is risk in cop checking town as mafia. Mafia needs a "confirmed" town so they have an excuse to night kill them instead of any town leading mafia. The risk is that that "check" flips ninja and then it was a 1vs1.
You fucking started talking about how we should kill a ninja first. You hunt ninja. WHY?
Look at the non obvious towns. Kurumi, Sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Batsnacks, me (who Rayne thought was ninja along with Obi), Oats, Onegu, Sepulchre, Slam, and Obi. I bet you thought about the odds of each of those players to flip ninja. Mafia QT probably decided Onegu was a safe bet, plus they could WIFOM how stupid it would be to fake a cellmate. More importantly, they need to protect against a 1 v 1. Getting a cell containing Sandroba was unlucky on mafia's part.
Mafia needs to reduce the odds of a claim flipping ninja. The claim also has to be believable.
Yet, you refuse to believe that there is a chance that none of the top towns are mafia, that all of them are bad or lurky. And also that if one of the top towns IS mafia then they are too stupid to know they have to plan to have an excuse they lived past night 2.
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On March 07 2015 04:02 geript wrote:AFAIK. 1. Only Toad/Rayn scumread him. And Rayn's been fucking insane this game. + Show Spoiler +2. Ok. Please explain how this is exactly his meta. Because I 100% know that you haven't actually meta'd him. You're literally just completely going based on what other people who have actually read his scum games have said.
3. Onegu was the obvious vote pre-claim. Like really fucking obvious. A guy who IIRC by your standards was also scumread by Toad/Rayn.
4. Sure Claims mean nothing this game in particular. But town only getting 4 roles on N1 would be insane.
5. Town spirit doesn't know the alignment of Sandro. True. So what. Doesn't mean that they can't figure out his actual alignment by you know, reading him.
Like let's not forget 6:
WHY IN THE FUCK DOES MAFIA SANDRO GREEN CHECK ONEGU THE MOST OBVIOUS LYNCH IN THE FUCKING LYNCH POOL? LIKE WHY DOES MAFIA SANDRO GREEN CHECK THE EASIEST PERSON TO LYNCH IN THE FUCKING CELL?
Like neither you nor Tube are doing anything other than saying, "Oh he does it so he can live for 1 more day. Oh it helps keep KP and shit." Bullshit. Mafia does not remove the person who's at least as likely if not more likely to be lynched from within the cell.
LET ME REPEAT. MAFIA DOES NOT REMOVE THE PERSON WHO IS MOST LIKELY TO BE LYNCHED IN THE CELL FROM THE FUCKING LYNCH POOL
Like that's what Tube/SL are trying to push. That's the insanity of all of this. Like Onegu who we know has an honest opinion on this even fucking said it. Yet both Tube and SL are completely fucking ignoring this entirely.
Liar. Rayne towned Onegu in his last list with the only revision concerning me being ninja. Toad, had Onegu as blank white in his excel sheet he posted.
Rayne played well enough to get NK'd over you.
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