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On March 03 2015 09:34 Half the Sky wrote: Tube, how are you tracking people who are keeping open the option of shooting multiple people? Geript wanted to shoot me but pretty sure he was also looking at Onegu and Rayn to an extent. we just do it like with votes from now on. There's plenty of people I want dead in games, but only one I can vote. | ||
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agreed with (I think rayns?) idea that her early post was odd. She continues to make a lot of really, really crappy posts like: On March 03 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote: Which means SL is probably town as well. All in all, nothing like the shining beacon of towniness she was in last game. Leaning pretty heavy mafia right now, not only on lack of towniness but on actually being scummy the way she posts. That being said, can we please change it to just ##vote: XYZ I don't want someone to shoot someone because our "vote" and the official shooting phrase are the same thing except for a ':' ... | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:45 Half the Sky wrote: Might want to consider that was a conclusion from the previous post I was making. yeah I took both into consideration and just quoted the last one to keep it simple as I didn't go into detail about why I dislike it anyways | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:03 geript wrote: No. It's not the volatility. I'm assuming 3P won't die because of vest. That means we get to remove at least 3 KP from the game off the bat in addition to removing 2 people who don't really give a fuck about who they lynch. I've been ninja before. They tend to be pro town as surving lynches, when the only way to die is getting lynched gives you a boost to win the game because you can just outlast your opponent and win that way even if you don't figure it out. I also took 3 mafia bullets on n1 and n2 as a third party ninja by nature of being that townie. Trying to lynch third party is MASSIVELY anti-town. They're not using their shots to randomely shoot into town and unless we waste a townshot on one of them like today there's no downside to having them alive and let mafia shoot into them. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:10 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't think we can find the ninjas reliably and I agree with toad's evaluation this is true as well. Just think about the role for a second. The entire point of it is to find the other ninja so even if you have never played it let's just assume it's difficult because otherwise the role would be imbalanced. It takes days to figure out the other ninja and it's a lot of work. Pushing for a ninja search troop means we effectively stop scumhunting. I can't stress enough how incredibly bad the idea from geript is but at the same time not a lot of people have played ninja on here or have experiences with it so I don't want to fault anyone for it. So let's just forget that. With that being said I need some sleep, see you tomorrow. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:28 geript wrote: The last game I saw this was with VE and BH I think. Where VE got lynched after a missed shot I think. Like them potentially soaking up KP is possible but unlikely until D3-4 unless one of a handful of people get it. There's also the aspect that if they're a good/decent player, they can suck up roles/powers given by the spirits. Like if they get medic or vet it's pretty useless. Tracker would be useless too. Louie them remaining in the game leaves more room for mafia to hide in and has far more potential to fuck up town than help town. Assuming all 4 shots go off, odds are they only hit 1 mafia. Maybe 2 if we're really lucky. Imagine if like batsnacks, Slam, Mocsta or LS got the role though. Like shit would hit the fan real fast. Like that's the really important thing. Is it they're ever about to be lynched then they 100% will fire indescriminantly and likely hit town. This isn't even considering them presumptively killing people to get them off their back. The roles are super wifomy. Like I remember Kita shooting someone as 3P 10 minutes before a lynch to try and get multiple people killed and they could manipulate things that way too. Like they're really really bad for us unless they never shoot or only shoot perfectly. two things we can't count on. Like I said, I absorbed 3 mafia bullets in the game I played as ninja, on n1 and n2. Frankly, your own post even proves yourself wrong. You want to lynch a ninja showing that what they care the most about is surviving and not getting "mis"lynched before figuring out who's the other ninja. So they'll make sure that doesn't help. Your standpoint even pushes for more chaos. A game that pushes for ninja lynches is a game that makes it more likely for them to panic and act unreasonable while townies do no scumhunting and mafia's don't even have to pretend they're scumhunting because they can just ACTUALLY ninja-hunt, making it super hard to distinguish them from townies who are doing exactly the same. I agree with you, we don't want them to randomly shoot around but if it's someone who just likes doing that... sucks to be us, nothing we can do about it. We can't even lynch them d1 because they have a fucking protection from at least 1 bullet (reads like only 1shot protection and not actually unkillable like in my game). So you're talking about this stupid worst case scenario that is some random guy going yoloswag without caring one bit while actively pushing for making it more likely that they're doing exactly that. Yes, if shit is stupid for us shit is stupid for us. No need to make it worse, especially when it's REALLY FUCKING hard to find them and and IMPOSSIBLE to kill them as well as giving mafia one more cycle, essentially giving mafia +1 shot, assuming we manage to lynch a ninja on d2 and. That's best case scenario for us and we just gave mafia one more round (don't even get started on what happens if we lynch town as well as wasting a day of scumhunting because we ninja-hunted), as well as most likely at least one random dead guy because one of them paniced during n1. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote: Like I said, I absorbed 3 mafia bullets in the game I played as ninja, on n1 and n2. Frankly, your own post even proves yourself wrong. You want to lynch a ninja showing that what they care the most about is surviving and not getting "mis"lynched before figuring out who's the other ninja. So they'll make sure that doesn't help. Your standpoint even pushes for more chaos. A game that pushes for ninja lynches is a game that makes it more likely for them to panic and act unreasonable while townies do no scumhunting and mafia's don't even have to pretend they're scumhunting because they can just ACTUALLY ninja-hunt, making it super hard to distinguish them from townies who are doing exactly the same. I agree with you, we don't want them to randomly shoot around but if it's someone who just likes doing that... sucks to be us, nothing we can do about it. We can't even lynch them d1 because they have a fucking protection from at least 1 bullet (reads like only 1shot protection and not actually unkillable like in my game). So you're talking about this stupid worst case scenario that is some random guy going yoloswag without caring one bit while actively pushing for making it more likely that they're doing exactly that. Yes, if shit is stupid for us shit is stupid for us. No need to make it worse, especially when it's REALLY FUCKING hard to find them and and IMPOSSIBLE to kill them as well as giving mafia one more cycle, essentially giving mafia +1 shot, assuming we manage to lynch a ninja on d2 and. That's best case scenario for us and we just gave mafia one more round (don't even get started on what happens if we lynch town as well as wasting a day of scumhunting because we ninja-hunted), as well as most likely at least one random dead guy because one of them paniced during n1. *help = happen now really sleeping | ||
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I change my stance on the device, I'll want to guard it and not press it right now. Reason being that I'd assume it has something to do with interacting with our spirits (like we get a vote on which one to kill?) Rayn is a little weird and there's some things I really agree and some things I completly disagree. But that's good, he's hyper, I'm hyper, that's bound to happen so I like him despite being weird... or more to the point because he's weird. One of the things I really disagree is his mafiaread on Sandroba based on him being useless. Yes Sandroba is really good as town but he's also lazy as fuck if he so chooses to be. It's way to early to read him and he hasn't done anything worth noting yet. Lack of doing things early on is not an indicator for Sandroba being either alignment. If anything he'll continually post more useless stuff when mafia because he thinks he has to and so far he's under that treshhold making me think he's town if anything. I wouldn't bet VEs balls on that but I certainly wouldn't call him mafia. You mom, I'm sorry  I still think HTS posts were really awkward early on. In the game we played in she just fit in from the get go. This time around she's going around making weird posts à la "ehehe, you thought so too? Man good thing, good thing :3" that just don't seem to fit in at all and read like she's forcing herself, which certainly is a mafia trait. Not as sure as I was on it yesterday as I do agree that a big game is harder in that regard and it could be she's not able to fit in due to the sheer number of people but damn... she was fucking confirmed town d1 last game. I'd still shoot that. I realized my talk about two people that are neither town nor mafia was stupid yesterday. I was right about what I said but I should not have said it. Now Geript (who I highly believe to be town atm... sadly) and I are more likely to be shot by them due to the simple fact that ctrl+f'ing the n-word (not the racial slur one!) won't show a 0 for both of us Please don't shoot me. So HTS still #1 priority for me right now. Comming in third would be Kita for getting in, posting hi and nothing else when he happens to be someone cheery as well. I'd expect him to do some useless 1 or 2 liner follow up at least. #2 priority right now is Breshke. Never played with him before so I didn't pay too much attention when he was posting but his posts were rubbing me the wrong way a lot. I saw that someone made a bigger post about him later on. Have not read that yet, I'll see if I agree with anything in there. | ||
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On March 03 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Breshke has a really high chance of being mafia here but that would also probably mean Koshi is town which i am not willing to believe yet. Kosi's posting hasn't gotten any better he is just making some weird comments. see what I mean with there's some things that I really agree with and some things I just don't like your read on Sandro? This one is part of the "I really agree with it" group. Those were EXACTLY my thoughts as well  | ||
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On March 03 2015 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: So in your opinion sandroba hasn't done anything? In my opinion he has done things. The things he has done are both bad and not scumhunting. ftr there is absolutely no town player who can argue against my logic regarding the device. it is just not possible someone is that stupid. I guess you can say that. I'd say all he's done so far are two posts: On March 03 2015 09:23 sandroba wrote: andIt's pretty nice in theory, but all we need is one person to randomly decide they want to shoot to screw with town pretty hard in case of a miss. The person is probably going to be mislynched the next day, because they will probably be town and there is no way to commit to this plan without setting up a pusnishment the next day. So this will sum up to the equivalent of 2 mislynches if things go south. That's why I think the best plan is for me to try to shoot correctly in 24h. All the glory or all the shame, I'll take my chances =P. On March 03 2015 09:36 sandroba wrote: well if somehow everyone gets behind it I see no problem turning this into a normal lynch. This will require extreme self-control by a town player who is about to get shot, however, because if you manage to shoot before someone shoots you, you will waste 2 of town lynches instead of one. which like you said, is not scumhunting but it's really early in the day so I don't mind yet. The other posts he did are just whatever. The only bad thing I see about him is that he feels the need to post this one, which isn't really his style imo: On March 03 2015 09:28 sandroba wrote: Also please can you guys please stick to the game in question? Half the posts in this thread are pretty hard for me to decifer what the hell people are even talking about, tons of people randomly aggroing each other for no good reason, tons of pointless spam. Let's keep it straight foward please. | ||
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On March 04 2015 00:27 Half the Sky wrote: Toad is reminding me much on the way he played in Hammertime. He's most likely town, as he's starting off relatively carefree (looking at his first 4-5 posts) and the question to Tubesock is coming off natural considering he doesn't know him (whereas I've played with both separately and I'd expect Tube to be making those elementary questions). The scumread on me is also following logically, since he has his expectation on how I should be playing, though I feel I've answered his concern there. Also his logic in arguing against the 3p campaign is pretty sound, and we're coming to the same conclusion on Kita as well. To me disagreement on the Sandroba read doesn't jump out to me as alignment indicative since it's very possible you two could have very different interpretations of his play as town. I'm actually trying to be less townish this time around as that didn't seem to work out in Hammertime when I was confirmed town alongside you 24 hours in and got lynched for "I thought he'd do more" + "there was something else but I forgot" Better not get lynched for being too townish and not living up to it this time around | ||
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On March 04 2015 00:40 Half the Sky wrote: Palmar scumread you for your scumhunting methods, IIRC, the fact that you were trying to PoE and as a result weren't coming up with any scumreads early enough. He was town and tunnelled on you, and we bowed to his pressure D2, which we shouldn't have. I didn't know your play any better otherwise I wouldn't have hammered you that game. Although considering most people here are scumread for not having scumreads, if that's the method you have normally used to find scum (PoE) I can completely understand why you've changed it since. nah his reasoning was that I waffle, which he used once before vs me and I ended up being mafia by chance in that game so he used it again despite it being something I do no matter of alignment. I don't think he scumread me for PoE On March 04 2015 00:43 kitaman27 wrote:[...] I'm just bitter. Had you stood next to me while I pressed enter you would have seen the fact that I did not type it with a straight face | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [list] + he played another game that included:
as well as obs:
so he's not one of them. I posted this On September 01 2014 23:27 Professor Apathy wrote: > posts in weird 4chan/reddit style I got an idea who this guy is but forgot his name about him and I still can't my head around what his actual name was... some guy that's been around long but isn't actually a good vet and just smurfed for the sake of having some fun. I knew at the end of the game... | ||
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On March 04 2015 02:02 rsoultin wrote: Soooo...maybe not the best thing to bring up, but how do we even know the identity of the shooter will be revealed? lol >< he has to write the killcommand in this thread | ||
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On March 04 2015 02:03 kitaman27 wrote: I've read your explanation about why koshi should be 100% town to your mom a couple times, but I don't fully understand why you're saying he should be so confident about this. mafia hts + mafia koshi implying mafia isn't doing anything doesn't seem like enough to make koshi confirmed town from his perspective. I suppose you can make the pre-flip association analysis for why mafia rayn and mafia koshi doesn't make sense from his perspective, but him not mentioning koshi in less than a page filter in a game with 25 of players doesn't seem completely out of the question like you suggest. Is there more that I'm missing that makes you go from your mom being suspicious to your mom being 100% scum? I vehemently disagree with rayn's assertion on that part as well. That's just way over the top exaggerated. The part about hts was good, assuming it actually happened, which I did not check yet. | ||
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On March 04 2015 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Same question to you Toad. If you thought i am mafia, and HtS is mafia, is there a world where mafia!rayn is not pushing a lynch on a townie? I don't think he has to be that certain on either of the reads for you to put it as drastically as you did. I have reads that don't match up all the time and I'll still discuss them, mostly stating something along the lines of "so that's what I think, but here's the thing: Those two being mafia together makes no sense whatsoever so I'm wrong on one of those two but no idea which one yet" afterwards (and people lynch me because that's apparently waffling) | ||
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On March 04 2015 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: You just did the same thing when i talked about Breshke/Koshi. You literally did the thing i am implying your mom as town SHOULD have done. The thing here is he is not saying "if i am wrong on one of those". He is stating he is sure HtS is mafia, he is sure i am mafia, because that's the only fucking two things he is talking about in the whole game. If he wasn't sure he would be considering alternatives, but he isn't. Therefore he is sure, and if he is sure, he should consider Koshi town for the reasons i have outlined. It really is that simple. that's because I'm smarter than him Don't get me wrong, I could get behind a your mom shot I just don't like people exagerating their reads and saying they're 100% certain on something. That's a lie, in 99% of the cases. Most times it's something townish because people want to look confident to get people on their side rather than being wishy-washy but I don't like it nontheless. Look at it from my point of view, my last game I played was a game that HTS and I were both about confirmed town 24 hours in (72 hours), Palmar stopped playing and spammed away "lynch Toad, I am 100% certain he is mafia" and nothing else. In the end people gave in, mostly out of annoyance as well as an unfortunate timeschedule on my part because Dungeons&Dragons on the day the lynch happened so people were annoyed about me not posting. And I flipped town obviously. And that's what I'm saying here. I don't think the chances are anywhere close to being 100% for it to be that way even if it sounds cool to say so. And as I'm saying that towards you the same could be said for him, he could be overselling his confidence while leaking out his true uncertainty about it when he's not paying attention. Still makes him look bad, just not 100% bad. | ||
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