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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 26 2015 00:24 GMT
#1741
On February 26 2015 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
given Idra is a douche and his word is worth as much as my poop, probably not the best authority to appeal to
That's kind of the point XD
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 26 2015 00:24 GMT
#1742
yeah, it's very important to get enough sleep; sleep is more important than reading. Especially for problems of this type, where letting the issues percolate in your brain during sleep makes a big difference.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 26 2015 00:25 GMT
#1743
Trfel you have to realize that being wrong is VERY common in mafia. If all the vets were right about their reads 100% of the time the game would be no fun since town would win every time.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 26 2015 00:26 GMT
#1744
On February 26 2015 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
given Idra is a douche and his word is worth as much as my poop, probably not the best authority to appeal to

Woah. Don't insult mai waifu
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 26 2015 00:26 GMT
#1745
-bounces-

my best game for reads...apart from obv scum!trfel game which I can't count cause I was mislynched ;o;

was the one I started like 36 hrs late lol ><

sometimes I think the problem is just spending too much time thinking about it
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 26 2015 00:27 GMT
#1746
On February 26 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
Trfel you have to realize that being wrong is VERY common in mafia. If all the vets were right about their reads 100% of the time the game would be no fun since town would win every time.


+1000
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 26 2015 00:38 GMT
#1747
I wonder, is it better to work on learning how to make better normal reads, or should I figure out how to vote analysis/night kill analysis? Obviously both, but.....

I don't really know how to do either. And I don't really know where to go to learn.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 26 2015 00:42 GMT
#1748
To learn how to do those, I recommend asking people in TL mafia, I hear they have some very experienced people.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 26 2015 00:42 GMT
#1749
honestly?

tone reads and vote analysis have gotten me the closest to mafia...tone reads more for town reads minus a few exceptions, and vote analysis for mafia

everyone's different, but for me, if someone makes a strange vote, then their read progression to arrive at the vote is ridic lacking, it almost feels like a free giveaway ^^ course I did this with lonemeow and was wrong but eh...it's also what got me the townread on bresh in the same game and that was right on point, even if it contributed to my mislynch later lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 26 2015 00:49 GMT
#1750
I kept looking at The Shining's case on jarjarbinks, I read it at least three times. But I just didn't see most of the points.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 26 2015 00:55 GMT
#1751
Oh well, I'll keep working on it. Sorry to all. I'm pretty sure I was the only person in the world who didn't know who was scum at LYLO XD
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 26 2015 00:56 GMT
#1752
just personal preference

but I hate giant-ass mostly narrative cases. I know the point is to persuade, but there's so much bias in there, and if I can't cut right to the meat of what someone is trying to say quickly, I pretty much dismiss it as either confirmation bias or flat-out scum-motivated (prob cause of HF lolol)

but then, this is coming from someone who can't build great cases, and damdred has some excellent ones that are still a ton of narrative and make me -_-, so take that with a grain of salt lol

if someone's clearly not objective, though...please take the time to put your main points in bullet format or something with the evidence supporting it clear to find. when i'm town I always have to double-check these things, and fishing the actual meat out of all the blah is annoying ^^

shining had a couple good points and mostly null ones...the biggest thing was the NK...in lylo it's unlikely that scum is going to go with keeping the town player most likely to lynch them just for WIFOM purposes
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 26 2015 00:58 GMT
#1753
oh, and truffle, some of your cases were perfect, cause even with all the narrative the main points and evidence were clear

the later stuff with all the embedded links @.@ not gonna open 30 links in a post. it reads more fluidly but it's a bitch to verify
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
February 26 2015 01:41 GMT
#1754
Congratulations to my team for taking it.

I stand by pretty much everything I said in the QTs. Good work guys.
Retired.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 26 2015 01:42 GMT
#1755
One general takeaway of note here, Mafia isn't going to become easy for players overnight regardless of alignment. Different players, different mechanics, different styles and even RL can greatly affect how you play at times. Sometimes the outcome depends on how well you adapt and adjust, you can only control so much depending on the arguments that people make and what people buy.

The only way you'll improve is to play more. Set incremental goals. Make mistakes and learn from them.

There's a few spots left in my mini game (which is post restricted, the pace will likely be similar to what you played here) and Fecalfeast is starting a game of his own from what I understand.

So definitely come out and play more, we hope to see you lot in upcoming games!
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 26 2015 01:47 GMT
#1756
Well, I'm definitely good at the "making mistakes" part XD
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 26 2015 01:51 GMT
#1757
This game was already a lot of posts and work. Your mini-game looks too hard!
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 26 2015 01:54 GMT
#1758
You also have the option of observing or shadowing a player as well that's another way of learning.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 26 2015 02:43 GMT
#1759
On February 26 2015 10:51 zlefin wrote:
This game was already a lot of posts and work. Your mini-game looks too hard!


In general, most veteran 13 player setups have very similar rules. Key differences are:

1 setups are semi-open, some hosts do RNG between a set range of setups, but most do not (and I personally will not)
2 3-man scumteam instead of 2 (thus 2 town PRs v 1 scum PR generally)
3 in most cases (except student newbies, which are hybrids), no coaching

I'm post-restricting my mini partially to experiment - it allows those who may not have the time to dedicate to play be able to play through a more readable condensed thread, but also challenge others (the spammer-style players) through deprivation. That's probably the main difference with the one I'm doing now, but I won't be restricting all my games like this.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 26 2015 03:52 GMT
#1760
lol just so long as you balance the town and scum power-roles...
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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