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The Shining
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Tere
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On February 19 2015 10:27 The Shining wrote: Tere, lol. If you post again, after another somewhat long gap in time, I'm seriously going to have to wonder why you couldn't answer my one question. out of spoons, I will if you repost it, sorry if I'm lametown but i need to sleep, nn | ||
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Trfel
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Silverarte
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------------------------------ Let's see. A majority of Tere's posts are actually centered around one liner posts with larger ones poking in here or there. Now, she flips from town to scum, town to scum. Now, I'm going through posts bit by bit here. But as a history: - Townie, fun, light hearted beginnings. -Centers in on Hiel. -Backs off after lynch is made -Goes into the Two-Shot question, with a general refusal to answer it for herself. -Answers -Active day -Positive reads of who she's now reading as scum -reads scum, switches scum reads again -Gets angry with said scum (where she's been very level for the majority of her game) -Comes back and withholds opinions, but hints at them -Later pops them up -Still in scum fight with The Shining --General reads for scum: On February 17 2015 01:29 Tere wrote: I think based on all of that, Known town or towny Tere Trfel rsoultin Don't lynch today The Shining ElyAs Silverarte jarjarbinks Lynchpool zlefin Hier to (after the last will and testament which was not originally going to be put up until everyone else answered the question. The following is an analysis written right after that) On February 19 2015 00:20 Tere wrote: Right, next, to answer the WTF you were doing last night Tere questions: First off, I am not claiming anything right now, and don't intend to as yet, as claiming my role would be detrimental to town. If that generates into a bunch of meaningless WIFOM that kills the thread and nothing will get done until you stop yelling at me I will, but I can assure you that outing my role won't be town helpful and I won't do that unless forced to. Important point repeated again: IF ANYONE IS THINKING OF CLAIMING BASED ON WHAT I AM DOING PLEASE DON'T. Claim for your own reasons, for sure, but don't claim because of my activities. I will, however, answer the question on why I mixed things up in nightchat and poked everyone for their two scumreads. 1. The easy bit first. Hi, I'm Tere. My meta this game is super aggro town, if you don't believe me now, you will on my flip. Scum are susceptible to WIFOM too. I love annoying scum. Hi scum!  2. I've been accused of not scumhunting. Well, for me this is some scumhunting activity. Scum really don't like to be tied down to decisive positions, in general. I'm almost less bothered by the actual answer than the attitude towards giving an answer. To me a major town tell is a relaxed position and a willingness to give reads and be flexible about them. There's a freedom and spontaneity to playing town and giving opinions that isn't there with scum, as the wincon is so different. Town can play offensive, scum, of necessity, need to have a defensive element to them. What I'm looking for here is a relaxed approach to giving opinions. Scum have to watch being caught out. Town don't need to do that. (n.b. if anyone who is town lynches me based on the terribad reason that Hier placed a vote on me, I am going to laugh at you in post game. Dead town don't gain powers of oracle infallibility, and Hier's proven misread on rsoultin should demonstrate that). So, what did I find out, and what do I think about it? (Here's where my play starts, with my current lynchpool at the time. I plop it in and head to bed, more or less: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=29#577. I push it again when I get up here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=32#623) zlefin: Tere and Jarjar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=32#628 I really like this response, it comes very quickly, only 20 mins after I poke him directly seeing him in thread, and feels very unforced. Town points to zlefin here. His poking at me about WTF I am doing feels OK too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=32#637 silverarte: Tere and zlefin. Silver feels relaxed in the way she produces these options, and posts a decent rebuttal of why she doesn't want to be asked. It doesn't feel defensive or forced. This looks OK here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=33#649 I like her asking why not one bullet a bit less, as the results show, I have good reasons for asking for two reads apart from there being two scum less, and just one read wouldn't have given me anywhere as near as much information. But it's not enough for me to see that as a scumtell. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=36#715 Trfel: No answer - Trfel starts out by expressing confusion at WTF I am doing and why I hadn't done it myself here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=31#614 (as an aside, please don't scumread me for being asleep fairly soon after day and night ends that end at midnight my time, that would be lovely). He then posts his discomfort and thinks I am fishing in order that I can place the kills (because he's seen Artanis do this as mafia) here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=33#642. He scumreads me a little more strongly for this here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=33#648. There's some form of impenetrable chat with rsoultin about a point on an observation board somewhere, which Trfel will need to explain if he's convinced that whatever is on that board is relevant, but after further thought he seems to discount it. His response to me saying he really doesn't want to play looks OK, though, calm, measured - he's not lost down a rabbit hole somewhere. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=35#687 He never answers but hislast will and testament puts lynchpool at Tere, ElyAs, Silverarte (maybe jarjar) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=38#749 On the face of it the refusal looks bad but I think the way he handles it looks OK. He's clearly worrying about some game I have no meta for so meh. I can't see why it would be so OMG critical to get two names out for scum and certainly I wouldn't need to do so to place a NK. It's not inherently scummy, he's just got his knickers in a twist about something. rsoultin: No answer - she grasps what I am doing I think, tells me to put my big girl pants on  I really liked the relaxed tone from her, and lo, she flips town as the nightkill. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=34#661 Also, sod off with the deliberately condescending, lady N.B. rsoultin puts ElyAs as her top scumread in her farewell post and I for one, would be happy to oblige her with that ElyAs: Tere and zlefin http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=36#711 . I don't really like this as much - he's deliberately distancing himself while giving the reads and does so further when I point out immediately after that I was voting and posting at basically the same point as him on the bandwagon. Tere: The Shining and ElyAs. I get bored with waiting on The Shining and post my WOT of reads here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=37#723 The Shining: Tere and ElyAs. Comes straight in with an attack on me and flat out refuses to divulge top two scumreads until after EON. Not massively friendly. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=37#725. He eventually gives two picks after rsoultin probes him for it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=37#736. I have to say I really don't like his reentry into the thread, his general defensiveness, his attacks on Trfel in particular. I think rsoultin has a genuine point about him Beetlejuicing and anyone who has also played scum with him before should consider her POV. No likey. Jarjarbinks: ElyAs and Tere: Jarjar hops on and quite quickly gives a promise he'd get to the shot question before EON, that looks very unforced and relaxed to me. He writes a very brief shot confirm just before EON http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=38#747. He posts thoughts about ElyAs after daybreak here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=38#759 and about me here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=39#771 . The timing of this stuff looks fine and the cases look relaxed. Town points from me, I also liked his presence in the thread in general after daybreak. Conclusion as to scumteam? Well, its pretty obvious to me - The Shining and ElyAs look the worst coming out of all of that. Since that also meshes with what I've felt from other parts of their filter I am comfortable with that. Other conclusion? Well, it's pretty obvious that everybody finds me scummy. I find this laughable, as as far as I am concerned I am happily playing aggro town, and the fact that everybody finds me scummy should be a decent clue that perhaps I am not. However, it is fine. I have a cunning plan for this. More shortly.If this paragraph is too long to revist, the scumteam is: The Shining and ElyAs. Inbetween this long awaited series of analysis and during it, reads on me are generally pleasant and wonderful. She's also prolific with her calls on "Don't judge me for what my actions are". Now, if we aren't judging based on actions and votes, what do we judge on? Now, her filter was rather prolific today which is great! Except...all of a sudden, there is a switch in tone on those votes. We go from hunting down other targets, to hunting down me based on Trfel's analysis. Rather than going with your initial votes and feels, you switched and trailed on with Trfel (which I was accused of doing) In fact, it's: On February 19 2015 07:07 Tere wrote: In fairness, when I posted this, I hadn't, for whatever reason had notification of Silverarte's longer post beforehand. I will go read that. Then the contribution is noted, and left alone. Why so hesitant to share thoughts? And why so insistant that we base our thoughts in one direction when according to you on several occasions, you admited you base things on tone. This is a fantastic tool, but it's an imperfect science and one we all pointed out to several of the others who joined us (Zlefin, etc). You, yourself have been very pleasant and forward, but very much pushing for others thoughts and ideas while holding back your own. I don't feel this is reaching, since this isn't the first time this has happened this game. Then there was the debate with Shining, who I believe summed it all up quite well. On February 19 2015 07:51 The Shining wrote: And you reacting at all is funny. A townie would've said "well screw it clear scum" and moved on after lynching me, instead of being willing to go head to head with me in the thread and fill it up with tit for tat. The tone changed afterwards, but your entire play up until this point has been even playful and cheerful. Here, this entire instance felt (to use a tone read here in addition to everything else I've tossed up), looks pretty bad. Especially with the consistent hold back on answers such as the question Shining gave you, your thoughts with the bullets when many were requesting it and of course, the hinting that there'd be more with other things later. I'm not certain if my vote is on you or not yet, (since we have til tomorrow) but of anyone, it's pretty strongly here and most likely where my vote will lie in the morning. As far as I understood, N2, you are able to take your time and consider before coming down hard on someone or something. (...several hours later....sheesh me. Trfel, I think I take that long time spent posting award. Or at least get one next to yours.) | ||
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Silverarte
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Silverarte
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On February 19 2015 10:36 Tere wrote: out of spoons, I will if you repost it, sorry if I'm lametown but i need to sleep, nn Also...out of spoons. I'll have to remember that. | ||
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Silverarte
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On February 19 2015 09:15 jarjarbinks wrote: Is this true? Do you actually have stronger scumreads? Is it just Zlefin or were you just saying that to make your say without leaving too much of a mark? Give that slight scumread and then lurk away? At this time, the scummiest to me was indeed Zlefin who wasn't providing reasons for his reads (which he seems to have rectified!) and potentially ElyAs who wasn't around much at the time I posted that. As I said before, I wanted to wait to see what Tere had to say at the time. With two-three days to see what was going on in her mind and how she wanted to play the game, it wasn't a joke when I said I do enjoy reading what she has to say regardless of what I think she is. However, where I had time before, it's coming down on the clock and she's looking pretty rough to me right now. | ||
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Trfel
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Silverarte
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On February 19 2015 09:22 The Shining wrote: Something is off. Ely has an unwillingness to even consider the idea that his read on Tere might be wrong, whereas even now, I'm still weary I may mistakenly mislynch. Since you can't decide, you'll just go with scum since that's what your townread is going with, right? One of you is scum but you strong towning her so hard gives me pause. And I'd rather not get hung up on unflipped association. What precisely feels off here? The strong townread? Ely? or the read on Tere? (Double checking to make sure I understand). | ||
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Silverarte
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On February 19 2015 10:56 Trfel wrote: Silverarte, what challenge are you accepting? Oh! Tere said to woman up. XD | ||
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Silverarte
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On February 19 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote: Also, it seems that Tere is the most opinion-polarizing read. While at the end of Night 1 she was generally scumread, now it seems to be about a 50/50 split. That's really interesting, and I think it's the first time we have an actual difference of opinions this game. I guess I have to reread Tere yet again.... ugh. Later. That's what led me to eyeing her. It's not that she doesn't give good reads or doesn't seem to put work into it. I'd say everyone here is working really hard, learning and playing. It's just those massive shifts, the sudden jump at Shining with that argument and the otherwise lack of seeming willingness to provide information that...could be due to overall playfulness or mystery, but I'm reading it more as stepping away from reads and committing. (At least, until the Gladiator call with the Shining. Which, as town, is that something you really want to risk?) | ||
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The Shining
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Silver, basically all of that. Ely blatantly says he won't budge from his read on Tere. As town, I'm personally always inclined to keep at least a 5% of healthy doubt. The only townie is a confirmed townie, IMO. Especially in a newbie game. I have trouble believing Ely is really that dead set on his read that he'd refuse to budge or be open to a case. And because he can't decide whether I'm scum or misguided town, I'm scum. Wouldn't not bring able to decide be null? Just seems to want to scum me after I scumread Tere. And after leaning town on me and agreeing my play is consistent and so were my posts. | ||
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