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On February 19 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm glad to see that there were several pages while I was gone. I'm still reading, but I wanted to drop in and say this.
Tere, do you mind if I don't respond to your post? My impression of what you are asking me to do is exactly what I am attempting to do. I feel like I am having a hard time communicating my true intent with you (probably my fault, not yours), so I'm not sure that responding would help anything. Though if you do want me to respond, of course I can do so, I'm just not sure that it would help with anything.
Oh, and zlefin, I hope you won't mind if I don't list my reads like that, just because I don't like quantifying or categorizing my reads. But as of Page 44, Silverarte seems to be the best lynch.
I don't mind if you don't respond right now. I'm talking. 
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On February 19 2015 09:13 Trfel wrote:
Wait, we're only allowed to lynch Tere or The Shining?
Do I get in a say in this? I think both are town. And I don't want to lynch town.
I am just going to point out there is no mechanic in the original setup to cover this, now shush.
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On February 19 2015 09:19 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm glad to see that there were several pages while I was gone. I'm still reading, but I wanted to drop in and say this.
Tere, do you mind if I don't respond to your post? My impression of what you are asking me to do is exactly what I am attempting to do. I feel like I am having a hard time communicating my true intent with you (probably my fault, not yours), so I'm not sure that responding would help anything. Though if you do want me to respond, of course I can do so, I'm just not sure that it would help with anything.
Oh, and zlefin, I hope you won't mind if I don't list my reads like that, just because I don't like quantifying or categorizing my reads. But as of Page 44, Silverarte seems to be the best lynch. I don't mind if you don't respond right now. I'm talking. Whatever, if you ever do want a response, let me know. Until then, I will proceed as normal.
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On February 19 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm glad to see that there were several pages while I was gone. I'm still reading, but I wanted to drop in and say this.
Tere, do you mind if I don't respond to your post? My impression of what you are asking me to do is exactly what I am attempting to do. I feel like I am having a hard time communicating my true intent with you (probably my fault, not yours), so I'm not sure that responding would help anything. Though if you do want me to respond, of course I can do so, I'm just not sure that it would help with anything.
Oh, and zlefin, I hope you won't mind if I don't list my reads like that, just because I don't like quantifying or categorizing my reads. But as of Page 44, Silverarte seems to be the best lynch.
I moderately mind, it's not THAT hard to do, and it helps me get a clearer sense of where everybody is, and a good reference point to look back at.
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On February 19 2015 08:48 ElyAs wrote:
I don't know. I really don't. Your play has been consistent with what you said in the beginning (about voting analysis and hunting inconsistences) and your case on Tere is also consistent. But I'm not moving with my read on Tere, so you're either misguided town or scum in my eyes. For now I can't decide so slight scum.
zlefin asked for a list of reads, here it is :
Townish : Trfel, Tere, ElyAs
Null : JJB (need to filter dive), zlefin (want to filter dive too, my earlier scumread on you feels misguided to me.)
Slight scumread : The Shining
Scummy : Silverarte.
I really want to finish filter diving before casting my vote, but if I don't find a better lynch I'm okay with lynching Silver.
It's getting late, I'll have more tomorrow.
Something is off. Ely has an unwillingness to even consider the idea that his read on Tere might be wrong, whereas even now, I'm still weary I may mistakenly mislynch. Since you can't decide, you'll just go with scum since that's what your townread is going with, right? One of you is scum but you strong towning her so hard gives me pause. And I'd rather not get hung up on unflipped association.
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On February 19 2015 06:26 zlefin wrote:
You may hate unflipped association analysis Trfel, I'd say it's weak, but not utterly useless.
Mostly I'd expect associations to be unclear, but the fewer people there are left in the pool, the more it becomes possible to maybe say something.
Even if I could just say a certain pair of people aren't both mafia, that'd still be useful.
It also represents another way of looking at things; and looking at things from a different angle can be helpful, as long as you don't read too much into it. Fair enough, but I hope you understand that I don't want to do this. I don't mind if you do, as long as you remember that it can be very inaccurate.
On February 19 2015 09:22 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm glad to see that there were several pages while I was gone. I'm still reading, but I wanted to drop in and say this.
Tere, do you mind if I don't respond to your post? My impression of what you are asking me to do is exactly what I am attempting to do. I feel like I am having a hard time communicating my true intent with you (probably my fault, not yours), so I'm not sure that responding would help anything. Though if you do want me to respond, of course I can do so, I'm just not sure that it would help with anything.
Oh, and zlefin, I hope you won't mind if I don't list my reads like that, just because I don't like quantifying or categorizing my reads. But as of Page 44, Silverarte seems to be the best lynch. I moderately mind, it's not THAT hard to do, and it helps me get a clearer sense of where everybody is, and a good reference point to look back at. Urgh, fine. I just feel like I can't say anything to Tere without a miscommunication or a misinterpretation.
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On February 19 2015 09:14 Trfel wrote:
Please don't throw the game for the sake of argument and ego....
Hush now, he's either rage quit or pretended to rage quit or I'm not sure but i've been told off for swearing. Whatever alignment he is, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts he ain't quitting. And most of this is alignment neutral for me. If you have a meta on whether scum Shining would crumble against a strong defence, hit me with it, but right now I think it's a passionate person doing something passionate and it's not alignment indicatiive
(and quite frankly, in a newbie game, I'd throw to the newbies if I had to. Not that I won't give them a run for a money if it's neutral (because an easy ride is boring ))
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On February 19 2015 09:22 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 08:48 ElyAs wrote:
I don't know. I really don't. Your play has been consistent with what you said in the beginning (about voting analysis and hunting inconsistences) and your case on Tere is also consistent. But I'm not moving with my read on Tere, so you're either misguided town or scum in my eyes. For now I can't decide so slight scum.
zlefin asked for a list of reads, here it is :
Townish : Trfel, Tere, ElyAs
Null : JJB (need to filter dive), zlefin (want to filter dive too, my earlier scumread on you feels misguided to me.)
Slight scumread : The Shining
Scummy : Silverarte.
I really want to finish filter diving before casting my vote, but if I don't find a better lynch I'm okay with lynching Silver.
It's getting late, I'll have more tomorrow. Something is off. Ely has an unwillingness to even consider the idea that his read on Tere might be wrong, whereas even now, I'm still weary I may mistakenly mislynch. Since you can't decide, you'll just go with scum since that's what your townread is going with, right? One of you is scum but you strong towning her so hard gives me pause. And I'd rather not get hung up on unflipped association.
The Shining, I need to go to bed, I need to establish if you are taking your ball and going home or what. If it's not and for whatever reason that's a play, you can send people who are pissed off with me towards me, OK? The play is OK. I just need to sleep soon *shrug*
There's a lot of time left in the day, to point out the obvious, you kids carry on.
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On February 19 2015 09:24 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:14 Trfel wrote:
Please don't throw the game for the sake of argument and ego.... Hush now, he's either rage quit or pretended to rage quit or I'm not sure but i've been told off for swearing. Whatever alignment he is, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts he ain't quitting. And most of this is alignment neutral for me. If you have a meta on whether scum Shining would crumble against a strong defence, hit me with it, but right now I think it's a passionate person doing something passionate and it's not alignment indicatiive (and quite frankly, in a newbie game, I'd throw to the newbies if I had to. Not that I won't give them a run for a money if it's neutral (because an easy ride is boring )) I don't have any helpful meta on The Shining, except that in his first game, I remember that he looked really scummy on Day 1 (we were both town), and I tried to get him lynched. Whether this is his scum or mafia game, he's improved a ton since then.
I'll definitely take another look at what both of you are getting at, but I want to take a detailed look at everything that's happened since I left first (looking at this whole Tere-Shining thing will probably take hours, so I'll get the easy stuff out of the way).
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I'm not a special snowflake. Yell at me all you want. Just make your case clear.
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I think everyone needs to time out, and the Shining needs to get his butt in. That's where I'm at, anyway.
Time out 10 hours, goodnight.
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On February 19 2015 09:30 Tere wrote:
I think everyone needs to time out, and the Shining needs to get his butt in. That's where I'm at, anyway.
Time out 10 hours, goodnight. Good night.
Ironically, I've barely played this game at all today. I feel really refreshed and my mind is much clearer. So for me, it's work time. I also work much better at night, so there's that.
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On February 19 2015 09:18 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:07 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 08:54 Tere wrote:
I'm willing to die for a one for one, what about you? I'm reading "I'm willing to win the game for scum right now" if you are in fact town. I already stated earlier I don't care about me being mislynched anymore. My vote is on you. If town is onboard, they vote with me. Or they vote against me. When I flip town, they'll want to lynch you until you manage to WOT your way out of it and win for scum. I'll even go first, if that's what you want. Of course, town votes decide it. I just need the townies here to promise me they will reevaluate what little I have been able to give them after I flip. OK. Either you are obvscum or completely misguided town at this point. I'm kinda insulted if you can read my play in any way as throwing the game for scum. Seriously. Something something (insert strong language as appropriate). If you are town, and that is what you are thinking and you think scum has won the argument, you need to wake up, stop sulking, get back to base , and stop sulking. Because, regardless of your perception, I'm on your side. Really. If your wincon is to win with town, I'm on your side. You don't have to trust me with this, but I need you to have a mode that can consider it... i'm town, and reaching out to you here. I think you are a smart and capable guy, I've read your town games, you are town to be proud of associating with. Don't check out. I'm on your side, and reaching out to you here. Don't lock down, OK? You can analyse me and decide I'm full of shit, but don't check out right now. I want town to win too. Come talk to me. You don't have to trust me right now (and I do need to sleep, it's bedtime here) but I want you to take some time out, take a deep breath, and if you are town, and want town to win, you need to come talk to me, OK? Because you are either locking down caught scum or passionate town without a lock and I have NFI right now. Just talk to me. I'm not Circe. There's no game mechanic to turn you into a pig. What harm can there be, right? Time out. I need to sleep. Talk to me, OK?
I posted a post before the one you quoted here asking you a question, would you mind answering it for me? I am talking to you. I may be proud and have an ego, etc, but I'm not trying to throw here. I'm not locked down. I'm filter diving like I said I would. Threw a question out at you, threw one out at ElyAs, expect more as I read and reread.
Honestly, the interaction today pissed me off. But it also gave me back the motivation I lost from being in another game with a replacement. But...why are you trying to feed my ego so much? Lol. I have NFI if it's a real call to reason and look at things objectively, or scum in sheep's clothing? I seriously need to take a breather from you and reread you objectively when I get home tonight.
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We should make a Circe role that turns people into pigs. That would be the coolest role ever. Make it happen!
But yes, you two, take a break and think logically and then we can go find the scum together.
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On February 19 2015 09:33 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:18 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 09:07 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 08:54 Tere wrote:
I'm willing to die for a one for one, what about you? I'm reading "I'm willing to win the game for scum right now" if you are in fact town. I already stated earlier I don't care about me being mislynched anymore. My vote is on you. If town is onboard, they vote with me. Or they vote against me. When I flip town, they'll want to lynch you until you manage to WOT your way out of it and win for scum. I'll even go first, if that's what you want. Of course, town votes decide it. I just need the townies here to promise me they will reevaluate what little I have been able to give them after I flip. OK. Either you are obvscum or completely misguided town at this point. I'm kinda insulted if you can read my play in any way as throwing the game for scum. Seriously. Something something (insert strong language as appropriate). If you are town, and that is what you are thinking and you think scum has won the argument, you need to wake up, stop sulking, get back to base , and stop sulking. Because, regardless of your perception, I'm on your side. Really. If your wincon is to win with town, I'm on your side. You don't have to trust me with this, but I need you to have a mode that can consider it... i'm town, and reaching out to you here. I think you are a smart and capable guy, I've read your town games, you are town to be proud of associating with. Don't check out. I'm on your side, and reaching out to you here. Don't lock down, OK? You can analyse me and decide I'm full of shit, but don't check out right now. I want town to win too. Come talk to me. You don't have to trust me right now (and I do need to sleep, it's bedtime here) but I want you to take some time out, take a deep breath, and if you are town, and want town to win, you need to come talk to me, OK? Because you are either locking down caught scum or passionate town without a lock and I have NFI right now. Just talk to me. I'm not Circe. There's no game mechanic to turn you into a pig. What harm can there be, right? Time out. I need to sleep. Talk to me, OK? I posted a post before the one you quoted here asking you a question, would you mind answering it for me? I am talking to you. I may be proud and have an ego, etc, but I'm not trying to throw here. I'm not locked down. I'm filter diving like I said I would. Threw a question out at you, threw one out at ElyAs, expect more as I read and reread. Honestly, the interaction today pissed me off. But it also gave me back the motivation I lost from being in another game with a replacement. But...why are you trying to feed my ego so much? Lol. I have NFI if it's a real call to reason and look at things objectively, or scum in sheep's clothing? I seriously need to take a breather from you and reread you objectively when I get home tonight.
If it makes you feel better, I got told off too - I think things got a little more heated than the mods would prefer for a newbie game. I use salty language when passionate, and I have absolutely not a problem with anyone telling me that's not OK. I see two people passionate about their wincon not necessarily talking to each other here. I'll be honest, when I came into this day I didn't trust you and I don't have a basis right now to trust you. But, if you have a town alignment, I can work with you. I am open to reaching out to you and understanding you and talking to you. That's not a trap. It's almost 1 am here and I have stayed up way too late the last couple of nights to play mafia. So I don't have much time.
But I think you are a smart and perceptive guy, even from a skim, and I would ask you to take a step back, take a breather, let me get some rest. Take some time yourself. Let's talk tomorrow.
If your wincon isn't incompatible with mine, we aren't enemies. Really we're not.
I'll have a look for your question but genuinely I need to sleep. If I don't respond please don't think the worst and poke me. It will be fine. Tere.
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I would like everyone who is suffering from WIFOM to also take a hiatus and shut it down. Seriously.
As you wish.
Let's just give everyone a breather and try to think the best of everyone for 12 hours or so? Sound a decent deal?
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Lmao the Circe thing made me lol. Tere, I guess I should've outright stated it but I didn't take any offense.
Can I also point out I'm somewhat reminded of how RSo and Geript went at it in Student Mafia V? Scum really likes hanging back when these kinds of interactions happen. I want everyone's reactions, please.
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On February 19 2015 09:33 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:18 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 09:07 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 08:54 Tere wrote:
I'm willing to die for a one for one, what about you? I'm reading "I'm willing to win the game for scum right now" if you are in fact town. I already stated earlier I don't care about me being mislynched anymore. My vote is on you. If town is onboard, they vote with me. Or they vote against me. When I flip town, they'll want to lynch you until you manage to WOT your way out of it and win for scum. I'll even go first, if that's what you want. Of course, town votes decide it. I just need the townies here to promise me they will reevaluate what little I have been able to give them after I flip. OK. Either you are obvscum or completely misguided town at this point. I'm kinda insulted if you can read my play in any way as throwing the game for scum. Seriously. Something something (insert strong language as appropriate). If you are town, and that is what you are thinking and you think scum has won the argument, you need to wake up, stop sulking, get back to base , and stop sulking. Because, regardless of your perception, I'm on your side. Really. If your wincon is to win with town, I'm on your side. You don't have to trust me with this, but I need you to have a mode that can consider it... i'm town, and reaching out to you here. I think you are a smart and capable guy, I've read your town games, you are town to be proud of associating with. Don't check out. I'm on your side, and reaching out to you here. Don't lock down, OK? You can analyse me and decide I'm full of shit, but don't check out right now. I want town to win too. Come talk to me. You don't have to trust me right now (and I do need to sleep, it's bedtime here) but I want you to take some time out, take a deep breath, and if you are town, and want town to win, you need to come talk to me, OK? Because you are either locking down caught scum or passionate town without a lock and I have NFI right now. Just talk to me. I'm not Circe. There's no game mechanic to turn you into a pig. What harm can there be, right? Time out. I need to sleep. Talk to me, OK? I posted a post before the one you quoted here asking you a question, would you mind answering it for me? I am talking to you. I may be proud and have an ego, etc, but I'm not trying to throw here. I'm not locked down. I'm filter diving like I said I would. Threw a question out at you, threw one out at ElyAs, expect more as I read and reread. Honestly, the interaction today pissed me off. But it also gave me back the motivation I lost from being in another game with a replacement. But...why are you trying to feed my ego so much? Lol. I have NFI if it's a real call to reason and look at things objectively, or scum in sheep's clothing? I seriously need to take a breather from you and reread you objectively when I get home tonight.
If it's not obvious, I thought this interaction was very genuine. I want to reach out and work with this guy....
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On February 19 2015 09:45 The Shining wrote:
Lmao the Circe thing made me lol. Tere, I guess I should've outright stated it but I didn't take any offense.
Can I also point out I'm somewhat reminded of how RSo and Geript went at it in Student Mafia V? Scum really likes hanging back when these kinds of interactions happen. I want everyone's reactions, please.
It's totally selfish, because it's 12.45 am and I've not had a proper sleep for 3 nights (shut up, Trfel, I'm still allowed to tease you) but I'd like a moratorium against righteous rage until midday at least? Seem fair?
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The Shining, will you talk to me tomorrow if I go to sleep? Would that be OK?
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