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A response to Tere (because zlefin asked for it, shrug)
Note that I do not require a response if you do not choose to provide one. It is spoilered because I don't see it as being very important.
+ Show Spoiler +This post makes a lot of sense. I understand more at what you were getting at in your Walls of Text. Not directed towards me, but this is really nice to see. Now, this post. I hate adding responses inside quotes, so bear with me (if anyone is actually reading this). As to me being patronizing to Tere ("good girl, well done"), this is not intended in the slightest. Whether she is scum or town, I'm pretty sure that Tere is the most skilled player left in this game, and I have no right whatsoever to be condescending to her. My only intention was to acknowledge the effort and thank her for it, and say that I felt that it made rather good evidence for her being town. As for me judging my own play, I was not looking for sympathy, and my intention was not to talk about myself. I was saying that you townread me for something, and I didn't like your reasoning, while allowing for the possibility of an accurate tone read (because I am terrible at tone reads). I have already accepted that Tere and I think differently and work differently. I don't think that is a problem. As for simplifying your reads, you are right that that part of my post was horrid. I have no explanation. As for me not being confident in my tone read of Tere, I'm bad at tone reads, of course I'm not confident in it (that won't stop me from trying to use tone reads, though...). I guess it makes sense that you don't want to lead a wagon. I disagree, and think that you are good enough at this game that I think you ought to lead a wagon, but I understand what you are saying and I accept it. And no, I'm not scum. I am not 100% sure of your alignment, but I think you are town.
On February 19 2015 09:45 The Shining wrote:
Lmao the Circe thing made me lol. Tere, I guess I should've outright stated it but I didn't take any offense.
Can I also point out I'm somewhat reminded of how RSo and Geript went at it in Student Mafia V? Scum really likes hanging back when these kinds of interactions happen. I want everyone's reactions, please. Tagging this at the bottom because I'm not sure it deserves its own post. You already have my reaction, to me it seems like a town vs town argument.
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Also, I get the feeling that we are going to be going crazy come the deadline. This is a difficult lynch and I doubt it's going to settle. Therefore, if you are willing to put in more effort now to not only keep up, but filter dive like crazy and post results, it would be much appreciated.
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On February 19 2015 09:45 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:33 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 09:18 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 09:07 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 08:54 Tere wrote:
I'm willing to die for a one for one, what about you? I'm reading "I'm willing to win the game for scum right now" if you are in fact town. I already stated earlier I don't care about me being mislynched anymore. My vote is on you. If town is onboard, they vote with me. Or they vote against me. When I flip town, they'll want to lynch you until you manage to WOT your way out of it and win for scum. I'll even go first, if that's what you want. Of course, town votes decide it. I just need the townies here to promise me they will reevaluate what little I have been able to give them after I flip. OK. Either you are obvscum or completely misguided town at this point. I'm kinda insulted if you can read my play in any way as throwing the game for scum. Seriously. Something something (insert strong language as appropriate). If you are town, and that is what you are thinking and you think scum has won the argument, you need to wake up, stop sulking, get back to base , and stop sulking. Because, regardless of your perception, I'm on your side. Really. If your wincon is to win with town, I'm on your side. You don't have to trust me with this, but I need you to have a mode that can consider it... i'm town, and reaching out to you here. I think you are a smart and capable guy, I've read your town games, you are town to be proud of associating with. Don't check out. I'm on your side, and reaching out to you here. Don't lock down, OK? You can analyse me and decide I'm full of shit, but don't check out right now. I want town to win too. Come talk to me. You don't have to trust me right now (and I do need to sleep, it's bedtime here) but I want you to take some time out, take a deep breath, and if you are town, and want town to win, you need to come talk to me, OK? Because you are either locking down caught scum or passionate town without a lock and I have NFI right now. Just talk to me. I'm not Circe. There's no game mechanic to turn you into a pig. What harm can there be, right? Time out. I need to sleep. Talk to me, OK? I posted a post before the one you quoted here asking you a question, would you mind answering it for me? I am talking to you. I may be proud and have an ego, etc, but I'm not trying to throw here. I'm not locked down. I'm filter diving like I said I would. Threw a question out at you, threw one out at ElyAs, expect more as I read and reread. Honestly, the interaction today pissed me off. But it also gave me back the motivation I lost from being in another game with a replacement. But...why are you trying to feed my ego so much? Lol. I have NFI if it's a real call to reason and look at things objectively, or scum in sheep's clothing? I seriously need to take a breather from you and reread you objectively when I get home tonight. If it's not obvious, I thought this interaction was very genuine. I want to reach out and work with this guy....
The Shining, I've gone back for about 10 mins and I am not sure what you need me to answer. I want to answer you, I just don't know where it's coming from. Does that make sense?
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On February 19 2015 06:53 Silverarte wrote:
We had, as of then, over two more days to figure out who our next lynch was be. With D2 around the corner, my thought was we had time to figure out just what Tere was doing and where Zlefin was going to pop up as. I'm going to trust Tere and not respond to Silverarte's post at this time, I suppose. But this part does require response.
In the future, please don't do this. You can NEVER have too much time to work out a lynch (if you are town, I bet that an hour before the Day 2 lynch deadline you'll be wishing you had been more active at night). I have been told in the past by extremely reliable sources that town's best strategy is to continue scumhunting full steam at night. Yes, I am aware that some people disagree, but I currently feel that it is best to use the night to scumhunt as well.
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On February 19 2015 09:49 Trfel wrote:A response to Tere (because zlefin asked for it, shrug) Note that I do not require a response if you do not choose to provide one. It is spoilered because I don't see it as being very important. + Show Spoiler +This post makes a lot of sense. I understand more at what you were getting at in your Walls of Text. Not directed towards me, but this is really nice to see. Now, this post. I hate adding responses inside quotes, so bear with me (if anyone is actually reading this). As to me being patronizing to Tere ("good girl, well done"), this is not intended in the slightest. Whether she is scum or town, I'm pretty sure that Tere is the most skilled player left in this game, and I have no right whatsoever to be condescending to her. My only intention was to acknowledge the effort and thank her for it, and say that I felt that it made rather good evidence for her being town. As for me judging my own play, I was not looking for sympathy, and my intention was not to talk about myself. I was saying that you townread me for something, and I didn't like your reasoning, while allowing for the possibility of an accurate tone read (because I am terrible at tone reads). I have already accepted that Tere and I think differently and work differently. I don't think that is a problem. As for simplifying your reads, you are right that that part of my post was horrid. I have no explanation. As for me not being confident in my tone read of Tere, I'm bad at tone reads, of course I'm not confident in it (that won't stop me from trying to use tone reads, though...). I guess it makes sense that you don't want to lead a wagon. I disagree, and think that you are good enough at this game that I think you ought to lead a wagon, but I understand what you are saying and I accept it. And no, I'm not scum. I am not 100% sure of your alignment, but I think you are town.
Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 09:45 The Shining wrote:
Lmao the Circe thing made me lol. Tere, I guess I should've outright stated it but I didn't take any offense.
Can I also point out I'm somewhat reminded of how RSo and Geript went at it in Student Mafia V? Scum really likes hanging back when these kinds of interactions happen. I want everyone's reactions, please. Tagging this at the bottom because I'm not sure it deserves its own post. You already have my reaction, to me it seems like a town vs town argument.
I'm not sure what I'm expected to comment on here.
I posted the enormous wall of text, and then I wanted to see who talked to me about it. What I feel so far is this - the initial unforced interactions were myself, trfel, zfle and Elyas, after a time Silverarte showed and immediately aFKed, The Shining showed later, was adamant and I am trying to reach out to him. Jar jar looked great at start of day, not wighed in yet.
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You're not expected to comment on anything, that's why I said that you don't need to respond XD
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On February 19 2015 08:56 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 06:05 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 01:27 ElyAs wrote:
You know what Tere ? I'm sold on you being town, and I really hope I'm right.
When I red your posts and Trfel's snap vote, I skipped a beat because I was starting to townread you and saw one of my townreads vote for you. I'm kinda relieved by Trfel's follow-up.
I know I'm not in the best of lights right now, and I'm gonna try to step up my game to find a good case, I owe it to jarjar and Trfel because their posts gave me a little bit of confidence.
I got an hour to allocate to this game right now and I'll try to use it well. (It is really a time consuming game !) This post feels as towny as fuck to me. It's enough to move him off my autolynch pile - before this I was going to place a vote as the best option. It comes from a real place of emotion that is horribly hard to fake, IMO. Moving Elyas up my town - scum pile towards town. Lurkers beware  Are you able to explain to me how this post could be only coming from a town perspective? There's a disclaimer for only having a certain amount of time, leaving an open door in case an uncomfortable question gets asked. And an appeal to emotion instead of an actual reaction to your post.
Tere, this is what I was referring to. I can see Ely making this post from either alignment in a move to earn town cred, similar to what I thought you might be doing in talking to me like I'm a baby now. However, I'm going to actively talk to you right now and tomorrow when were both here before I pass anymore judgment on you.
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On February 19 2015 09:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 06:53 Silverarte wrote:
We had, as of then, over two more days to figure out who our next lynch was be. With D2 around the corner, my thought was we had time to figure out just what Tere was doing and where Zlefin was going to pop up as. I'm going to trust Tere and not respond to Silverarte's post at this time, I suppose. But this part does require response. In the future, please don't do this. You can NEVER have too much time to work out a lynch (if you are town, I bet that an hour before the Day 2 lynch deadline you'll be wishing you had been more active at night). I have been told in the past by extremely reliable sources that town's best strategy is to continue scumhunting full steam at night. Yes, I am aware that some people disagree, but I currently feel that it is best to use the night to scumhunt as well.
This, seriously don't do this if you are town aligned. The most unhelpful thing than can happen is random town shenannies at day end. Never support it.
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On February 19 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 08:56 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 06:05 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 01:27 ElyAs wrote:
You know what Tere ? I'm sold on you being town, and I really hope I'm right.
When I red your posts and Trfel's snap vote, I skipped a beat because I was starting to townread you and saw one of my townreads vote for you. I'm kinda relieved by Trfel's follow-up.
I know I'm not in the best of lights right now, and I'm gonna try to step up my game to find a good case, I owe it to jarjar and Trfel because their posts gave me a little bit of confidence.
I got an hour to allocate to this game right now and I'll try to use it well. (It is really a time consuming game !) This post feels as towny as fuck to me. It's enough to move him off my autolynch pile - before this I was going to place a vote as the best option. It comes from a real place of emotion that is horribly hard to fake, IMO. Moving Elyas up my town - scum pile towards town. Lurkers beware Are you able to explain to me how this post could be only coming from a town perspective? There's a disclaimer for only having a certain amount of time, leaving an open door in case an uncomfortable question gets asked. And an appeal to emotion instead of an actual reaction to your post. Tere, this is what I was referring to. I can see Ely making this post from either alignment in a move to earn town cred, similar to what I thought you might be doing in talking to me like I'm a baby now. However, I'm going to actively talk to you right now and tomorrow when were both here before I pass anymore judgment on you.
If you are reading me like I'm talking to you like a baby, you are reading me wrong. I respect you and your intelligence. However, I really need to go to bed. We can spar in the morning? Deal? 
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On February 19 2015 06:53 Silverarte wrote:
I have asked a couple times if anyone's had questions for me. While people have interacted with me, I've not seen many questions until Tere joined us and did that odd play with the bullets. On that note, if anyone has other questions for me now, please feel free to ask. I'll respond tot his part as well.
My problem with this is that I don't feel you have done all that much so far this game (no offense, you've been really busy). Therefore, I don't really have any questions for you besides the general "who is scum, who is town?" My not asking questions by no means indicates that I don't want to hear more from you, it just indicates that I have no specific questions at the time.
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Just a heads up, my first post today up until about 6-8 hours from now are my most active times. I'm a night worker, mornings aren't my thing. But I'll def catch up with you as soon as I'm awake.
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On February 19 2015 10:08 The Shining wrote:
Just a heads up, my first post today up until about 6-8 hours from now are my most active times. I'm a night worker, mornings aren't my thing. But I'll def catch up with you as soon as I'm awake. Wait, so The Shining, you are going to be here for another 6-8 hours?
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On February 19 2015 10:02 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 08:56 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 06:05 Tere wrote:On February 19 2015 01:27 ElyAs wrote:
You know what Tere ? I'm sold on you being town, and I really hope I'm right.
When I red your posts and Trfel's snap vote, I skipped a beat because I was starting to townread you and saw one of my townreads vote for you. I'm kinda relieved by Trfel's follow-up.
I know I'm not in the best of lights right now, and I'm gonna try to step up my game to find a good case, I owe it to jarjar and Trfel because their posts gave me a little bit of confidence.
I got an hour to allocate to this game right now and I'll try to use it well. (It is really a time consuming game !) This post feels as towny as fuck to me. It's enough to move him off my autolynch pile - before this I was going to place a vote as the best option. It comes from a real place of emotion that is horribly hard to fake, IMO. Moving Elyas up my town - scum pile towards town. Lurkers beware Are you able to explain to me how this post could be only coming from a town perspective? There's a disclaimer for only having a certain amount of time, leaving an open door in case an uncomfortable question gets asked. And an appeal to emotion instead of an actual reaction to your post. Tere, this is what I was referring to. I can see Ely making this post from either alignment in a move to earn town cred, similar to what I thought you might be doing in talking to me like I'm a baby now. However, I'm going to actively talk to you right now and tomorrow when were both here before I pass anymore judgment on you. If you are reading me like I'm talking to you like a baby, you are reading me wrong. I respect you and your intelligence. However, I really need to go to bed. We can spar in the morning? Deal?
Also quoting this to add to my filter as a reminder tomorrow. Have a goodnight Tere but I really do want to see a response to this when you wake up.
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I am. I'm at work for another 3, I'll be in transit for 1 so I'll be gone for that time, then I'll be home and rediving until I decide to go to bed. Mainly Silver and Tere, as the earlier interaction held me up from looking at anyone past ElyAs.
ElyAs - there is an unanswered question for you in my filter, as well.
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On February 19 2015 10:08 The Shining wrote:
Just a heads up, my first post today up until about 6-8 hours from now are my most active times. I'm a night worker, mornings aren't my thing. But I'll def catch up with you as soon as I'm awake.
I need to crash, but this brings up a really great point.
There's a thing in the profile that can bring up a continent, that;s helpful as a baseline. Knowing the timezones is a bonus.
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I am incredibly sleepy though. It boils to a show and tell.
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To both The Shining and Tere.
I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, I feel that it is a horrible thing to do to lie about activity. It just feels like it's avoiding playing the game, and what is the fun of that? I recognize that it happens, but I really try not to set assumed levels for people's activity and require them to be active during those times.
The Shining, hopefully we can have some productive discussion tonight, then. I won't be up for as long as you, but I will be up for a while.
That said, I need to go grab dinner now, I'll be back later.
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I'm EST. Work 3-11 PM EST Weds-Sun. Wake up at 1 PM, ready for work etc, usually here once I settle in at work. Itll be EoD tomorrow so I'll be early, barring any work emergencies. But that doesn't normally happen.
Trfel, enjoy. I'll be here.
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FWIW I don't think anybody in the game has been lying about activity, this is an attempt to reduce paranoia IMO.
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On February 19 2015 10:23 The Shining wrote:
I'm EST. Work 3-11 PM EST Weds-Sun. Wake up at 1 PM, ready for work etc, usually here once I settle in at work. Itll be EoD tomorrow so I'll be early, barring any work emergencies. But that doesn't normally happen.
Trfel, enjoy. I'll be here.
If you don't mind me asking, what is it that you do?
(I'm GMT, I run a tourism business and most of my work is work from home. Monday - Friday, weekends difficult.)
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