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On February 19 2015 11:12 The Shining wrote:
Trfel. Lmao. Stahp. Contribute something productive or ask me something while you have both myself and Silver here. Your lynch vote is on Silver. Let's discuss this.
Silver, basically all of that. Ely blatantly says he won't budge from his read on Tere. As town, I'm personally always inclined to keep at least a 5% of healthy doubt. The only townie is a confirmed townie, IMO. Especially in a newbie game. I have trouble believing Ely is really that dead set on his read that he'd refuse to budge or be open to a case. And because he can't decide whether I'm scum or misguided town, I'm scum. Wouldn't not bring able to decide be null? Just seems to want to scum me after I scumread Tere. And after leaning town on me and agreeing my play is consistent and so were my posts.
Ahhhh, I see what you're saying. Just as a question (because yes, last game you all taught me the benefit of that healthy doubt), how much of this do you think is because of being new to the game?
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The Shining, I get to relax every now and then XD
Point taken, though. I really am quite hypocritical.
On February 19 2015 11:12 The Shining wrote:
Silver, basically all of that. Ely blatantly says he won't budge from his read on Tere. As town, I'm personally always inclined to keep at least a 5% of healthy doubt. The only townie is a confirmed townie, IMO. Especially in a newbie game. I have trouble believing Ely is really that dead set on his read that he'd refuse to budge or be open to a case. And because he can't decide whether I'm scum or misguided town, I'm scum. Wouldn't not bring able to decide be null? Just seems to want to scum me after I scumread Tere. And after leaning town on me and agreeing my play is consistent and so were my posts. I disagree. People use different words to describe their feelings. There are some people who go back on reads they describe as 100% definite. Given ElyAs's reasoning and overall filter picture, I see no problem here. If you want, I'll take another look, but it will be in a while.
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Tere
Can I get clarification as to why you moved Silverarte to a scum read?
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On February 19 2015 11:06 Silverarte wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote:
Also, it seems that Tere is the most opinion-polarizing read. While at the end of Night 1 she was generally scumread, now it seems to be about a 50/50 split. That's really interesting, and I think it's the first time we have an actual difference of opinions this game. I guess I have to reread Tere yet again.... ugh. Later. That's what led me to eyeing her. It's not that she doesn't give good reads or doesn't seem to put work into it. I'd say everyone here is working really hard, learning and playing. It's just those massive shifts, the sudden jump at Shining with that argument and the otherwise lack of seeming willingness to provide information that...could be due to overall playfulness or mystery, but I'm reading it more as stepping away from reads and committing. (At least, until the Gladiator call with the Shining. Which, as town, is that something you really want to risk?)
Agree on her being the polarizer. How the wagons form up come EoD should be very telling, when we seem to be split like this already. And that's why I'm on her as well, Silver. And right when I was washing the bad taste of her out of my mouth and ready to be willing to look at things objectively, she quotes the question she claims not to have seen. The unwillingness almost borders on taunting but idk, could be leftover feelings from the interaction earlier.
Also, that last question is WIFOM, Silver. There is no way of knowing if it is a scum bluff or a townie truly sure of her scumread. I wasn't willing to risk it because I know I flip town and it leaves you guys with only one mislynch left, with everyone blaming her for my mislynch. If she IS misguided town, its already a loss. But she really seemed willing to go that route. And now I'm drunk of WIFOM. Lol.
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On February 19 2015 11:20 Trfel wrote:
Tere
Can I get clarification as to why you moved Silverarte to a scum read? Ah, shoot, you already said that you don't want to answer this fully. Oh well, but if you are willing to answer, it would be nice to know. To clarify, I see you leave hints as to your reasons, but it would be nice to have them out in the open and clear.
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The Shining, as for the thing with Tere and your question, there's no scum or town motivation for it. Therefore, I don't see it as alignment indicative at all.
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Oh, and The Shining, do you still want to quit playing?
Newbie games are extremely difficult. You should have known that before you signed up. People afk'ing sucks. But this game is still winnable, we have capable players here, and we have 50 pages of information to work with. Any townie who lets up now, or quits, basically dooms town despite what everyone else does.
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On February 19 2015 11:07 Trfel wrote:
Oh, and I'm wondering, are people interested in me posting an analysis on the argument between The Shining and Tere? (warning, it would be rather long...) I'd rather not, and just focus on figuring out their alignments, but if multiple people (particularly The Shining and/or Tere) want me to chime in, I could do so.
This goes for you as well as everyone else. Personally, I'd be happy on people clearly stating whether they believe it was town v townie if one of us is scum, post-interaction. Obviously, if one of us is scum after that in your eyes, I'd appreciate reasoning as to why. From there, go as in depth as you feel necessary.
And we are all allowed to have a Lil fun, Trfel, I'm just resident scrooge tonight lol. As for Ely idk, I just don't feel right when "town" use absolutes like that. I can understand someone trying to be firm in their read and their points but if you're not allowing any wiggle room at all, and using an unproven read to then scum someone else, it doesn't feel genuine.
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On February 19 2015 11:16 Silverarte wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 11:12 The Shining wrote:
Trfel. Lmao. Stahp. Contribute something productive or ask me something while you have both myself and Silver here. Your lynch vote is on Silver. Let's discuss this.
Silver, basically all of that. Ely blatantly says he won't budge from his read on Tere. As town, I'm personally always inclined to keep at least a 5% of healthy doubt. The only townie is a confirmed townie, IMO. Especially in a newbie game. I have trouble believing Ely is really that dead set on his read that he'd refuse to budge or be open to a case. And because he can't decide whether I'm scum or misguided town, I'm scum. Wouldn't not bring able to decide be null? Just seems to want to scum me after I scumread Tere. And after leaning town on me and agreeing my play is consistent and so were my posts. Ahhhh, I see what you're saying. Just as a question (because yes, last game you all taught me the benefit of that healthy doubt), how much of this do you think is because of being new to the game?
Actually being new is why this worried me so much. I still have not encountered someone new to the game who has been so sure of a town read D2. My first newbie game, we had all but confirmed townies that I was still questioning due to newbie paranoia.
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On February 19 2015 11:26 Trfel wrote:
Oh, and The Shining, do you still want to quit playing?
Newbie games are extremely difficult. You should have known that before you signed up. People afk'ing sucks. But this game is still winnable, we have capable players here, and we have 50 pages of information to work with. Any townie who lets up now, or quits, basically dooms town despite what everyone else does.
Sorry, no, to make it clear, it was a reaction test out of sheer frustration. Tere responded to my reply on her WOT and chalked it up to a defensive post, didn't bother replying or addressing it. Got frustrated. But like I said to JJB before, I'm not quitting. I'm still posting. Still reading filters and responding. And, thanks to Tere, I've actually regained the motivation I last yesterday.
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On February 19 2015 08:48 ElyAs wrote:
I don't know. I really don't. Your play has been consistent with what you said in the beginning (about voting analysis and hunting inconsistences) and your case on Tere is also consistent. But I'm not moving with my read on Tere, so you're either misguided town or scum in my eyes. For now I can't decide so slight scum.
zlefin asked for a list of reads, here it is :
Townish : Trfel, Tere, ElyAs
Null : JJB (need to filter dive), zlefin (want to filter dive too, my earlier scumread on you feels misguided to me.)
Slight scumread : The Shining
Scummy : Silverarte.
I really want to finish filter diving before casting my vote, but if I don't find a better lynch I'm okay with lynching Silver.
It's getting late, I'll have more tomorrow. Wait, The Shining, you refer to this post? You're right, this doesn't look very good.
Still, it's not bad enough that this post alone will have a major affect on my read on ElyAs.
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On February 19 2015 11:31 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 11:16 Silverarte wrote:On February 19 2015 11:12 The Shining wrote:
Trfel. Lmao. Stahp. Contribute something productive or ask me something while you have both myself and Silver here. Your lynch vote is on Silver. Let's discuss this.
Silver, basically all of that. Ely blatantly says he won't budge from his read on Tere. As town, I'm personally always inclined to keep at least a 5% of healthy doubt. The only townie is a confirmed townie, IMO. Especially in a newbie game. I have trouble believing Ely is really that dead set on his read that he'd refuse to budge or be open to a case. And because he can't decide whether I'm scum or misguided town, I'm scum. Wouldn't not bring able to decide be null? Just seems to want to scum me after I scumread Tere. And after leaning town on me and agreeing my play is consistent and so were my posts. Ahhhh, I see what you're saying. Just as a question (because yes, last game you all taught me the benefit of that healthy doubt), how much of this do you think is because of being new to the game? Actually being new is why this worried me so much. I still have not encountered someone new to the game who has been so sure of a town read D2. My first newbie game, we had all but confirmed townies that I was still questioning due to newbie paranoia.
To be fair, this is my second game and I'm suspicious of everything. It's hard to navigate through all the information.
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On February 19 2015 11:36 Silverarte wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 11:31 The Shining wrote:On February 19 2015 11:16 Silverarte wrote:On February 19 2015 11:12 The Shining wrote:
Trfel. Lmao. Stahp. Contribute something productive or ask me something while you have both myself and Silver here. Your lynch vote is on Silver. Let's discuss this.
Silver, basically all of that. Ely blatantly says he won't budge from his read on Tere. As town, I'm personally always inclined to keep at least a 5% of healthy doubt. The only townie is a confirmed townie, IMO. Especially in a newbie game. I have trouble believing Ely is really that dead set on his read that he'd refuse to budge or be open to a case. And because he can't decide whether I'm scum or misguided town, I'm scum. Wouldn't not bring able to decide be null? Just seems to want to scum me after I scumread Tere. And after leaning town on me and agreeing my play is consistent and so were my posts. Ahhhh, I see what you're saying. Just as a question (because yes, last game you all taught me the benefit of that healthy doubt), how much of this do you think is because of being new to the game? Actually being new is why this worried me so much. I still have not encountered someone new to the game who has been so sure of a town read D2. My first newbie game, we had all but confirmed townies that I was still questioning due to newbie paranoia. To be fair, this is my second game and I'm suspicious of everything. It's hard to navigate through all the information.
And then I hit the enter key before typing "So I can see what you mean." >< Go me.
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Shining, I'm glad you aren't quitting.
Trfel? What do you think of Ely as of right now? (In light of what you posted above to Shining)
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On February 19 2015 11:39 Silverarte wrote:
Shining, I'm glad you aren't quitting.
Trfel? What do you think of Ely as of right now? (In light of what you posted above to Shining) I thought I made that clear enough. I still think he's town.
To be fair, my reads don't change very much unless something really big happens or I take a detailed look at someone's filter. The last few times I filter dove ElyAs, I had a fairly comfortable town read. I'm not going to change that because of one post which is probably the result of him mis-stating something. Of course he is on my list to read again, and at that time maybe my read will change. But I hope you can understand why I don't see reading ElyAs as my top priority at this time.
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On February 19 2015 11:35 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 08:48 ElyAs wrote:
I don't know. I really don't. Your play has been consistent with what you said in the beginning (about voting analysis and hunting inconsistences) and your case on Tere is also consistent. But I'm not moving with my read on Tere, so you're either misguided town or scum in my eyes. For now I can't decide so slight scum.
zlefin asked for a list of reads, here it is :
Townish : Trfel, Tere, ElyAs
Null : JJB (need to filter dive), zlefin (want to filter dive too, my earlier scumread on you feels misguided to me.)
Slight scumread : The Shining
Scummy : Silverarte.
I really want to finish filter diving before casting my vote, but if I don't find a better lynch I'm okay with lynching Silver.
It's getting late, I'll have more tomorrow. Wait, The Shining, you refer to this post? You're right, this doesn't look very good. Still, it's not bad enough that this post alone will have a major affect on my read on ElyAs.
Yeah, that post. To be clear when you're catching up, Ely, I'd like to know how being unable to decide between alignments for me becomes an automatic scum instead of null? Please explain my scumread. Something other than "you're scumming my top townread so you're scum" would help.
This is the same player who has also felt almost forgettable, and personally, although he did rescind afterward, he misrepresented one of my posts to make it seem like I hinted at contributing more, then AFKing thread. It was a red flag that I let go because he quickly backed off but I'll be giving a concrete on him once he returns with the results of his JJB and Zlefin filterdives.
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Oh, and to clarify, I don't really use townreads. I've gotten lazy and have been using the term. When I say someone is town or a townread, I generally mean that I don't want to lynch them.
Yes, I am a extreme doubter and a pessimist. I argue everything towards null. Deal with it.
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XD Sounds good Trfel. And I do totally understand.
Also, stepping out for an hour or so. I'm out of tea. (Tragedies!)
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The Shining
Am I still reading town to you? If not, why? If so, can you explain why you changed your read on me from scum to town?
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On February 19 2015 11:20 Trfel wrote:
Tere
Can I get clarification as to why you moved Silverarte to a scum read?
Interested in this, as well. As far as I could tell, she moved ElyAs up her list and by default it dropped Silver. She posted right afterwards too that lurkers should beware.
Tere, please clarify. Lurker push or something more?
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