EPTI've noticed that whenever I post a read, that same read is often used later by others. Maybe if I hold my reads to myself for a while, I can see more of who is doing original thinking and who isn't. Maybe I'll give that a try for a bit, at least I can test The Shining.
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I've noticed that whenever I post a read, that same read is often used later by others. Maybe if I hold my reads to myself for a while, I can see more of who is doing original thinking and who isn't. Maybe I'll give that a try for a bit, at least I can test The Shining. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 18 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: Yeah but in it you posted a bit where you said I mentioned my push on Zlef was "slight" as if I were trying to distance myself from the lynch? Which is exactly what you did in that same post by saying you were sleepy and might need to revisit it. And you, you haven't actually CLEARLY stated it, or I wouldn't be pinging on it. This was your reasoning: So you guess you don't want to lynch me but things still look scummy but things look like real scumhunting, too. It just felt too inconsistent to me. + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2015 07:58 Trfel wrote: Is it not wrong to allow for the possibility that being sleepy could negatively affect my play? In the past, I've usually played fine while extremely tired, but in my last game I made a terrible blunder at about 4:30 AM. I don't see sleepiness as being a problem to hold back my reads for, but it would be silly to not mention it as a possibility. As for distancing myself from my scumread of you, it was NOT a scumread. I found a few things I felt were suspicious, and I wanted to hear thoughts from you and other people. Believe me, if I am scumreading someone, I will make it absolutely sure that everyone knows. Some things you did looked scummy, some things you did looked fine. I concluded that the result didn't make me want to lynch you at that time. Is that a problem? The first spoiler was a post in which I was still suspicious of you. In the second spoiler is your response which I ultimately liked and gave you some town cred in my eyes. Since that post, I've been reading you as town due to your thread presence, your willingness to address literally everything in the thread and also still having a conviction in your questioning. Scum Trfel last game was wishy washy, not very committed but not very weary of who he was lynching. I'm seeing the opposite here. Strong stances with a healthy paranoia of who we may be lynching. So kudos to you if this is your scum game, its completely diff from the last one and notably so. | ||
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 12:11 The Shining wrote: Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I like it.+ Show Spoiler + On February 18 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote: Yeah but in it you posted a bit where you said I mentioned my push on Zlef was "slight" as if I were trying to distance myself from the lynch? Which is exactly what you did in that same post by saying you were sleepy and might need to revisit it. And you, you haven't actually CLEARLY stated it, or I wouldn't be pinging on it. This was your reasoning: So you guess you don't want to lynch me but things still look scummy but things look like real scumhunting, too. It just felt too inconsistent to me. + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2015 07:58 Trfel wrote: Is it not wrong to allow for the possibility that being sleepy could negatively affect my play? In the past, I've usually played fine while extremely tired, but in my last game I made a terrible blunder at about 4:30 AM. I don't see sleepiness as being a problem to hold back my reads for, but it would be silly to not mention it as a possibility. As for distancing myself from my scumread of you, it was NOT a scumread. I found a few things I felt were suspicious, and I wanted to hear thoughts from you and other people. Believe me, if I am scumreading someone, I will make it absolutely sure that everyone knows. Some things you did looked scummy, some things you did looked fine. I concluded that the result didn't make me want to lynch you at that time. Is that a problem? The first spoiler was a post in which I was still suspicious of you. In the second spoiler is your response which I ultimately liked and gave you some town cred in my eyes. Since that post, I've been reading you as town due to your thread presence, your willingness to address literally everything in the thread and also still having a conviction in your questioning. Scum Trfel last game was wishy washy, not very committed but not very weary of who he was lynching. I'm seeing the opposite here. Strong stances with a healthy paranoia of who we may be lynching. So kudos to you if this is your scum game, its completely diff from the last one and notably so. Anyway, I'm going through your filter again right now, I'll probably have a few things to ask you about. If you have any questions for me, or anything you want me to look into next, feel free to let me know (and please please please don't say Tere, I'm putting that off for as long as possible...). | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
I leave work in 45 mins so ask away, I'll do my best to respond before I leave. I'll let you know if something else crosses my mind concerning you but I'm also going to hold out hope that I'll get to see JJB, Zlefin and Ely again before I go to bed. Still need to read Silver and reread Tere too but I'm honestly pushing that until I get home | ||
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Trfel
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On February 16 2015 06:38 The Shining wrote: But you didn't townread me for my opening. And I was scum and put myself in the spotlight in the last game you were in.That being said, Hier is a very slight townread for me. I don't think scum would put themselves in the spotlight so early with a strategy that unwittingly favors scum. (...) Does scum, especially in a newbie game, have the balls to suggest something like that? If you answered this already, I'm sorry. I got bored reading your filter (not because it was boring, but because I think you are town and there are other things I want to look in to!), so if you have answered this already, please forgive me. If not, it would be nice to know. On February 16 2015 07:32 The Shining wrote: If this really was a pressure push, why didn't you vote right away?Zlefin has a couple of posts that lead nowhere and weak and unexplained reads. Mentions WIFOM, game voting rules, some parroting. Says Hier and RSo could both be town or both be scum but wont commit to his reads. Seems to be all for policy lynching inactives when there were only 2. How likely is it both scum members are inactive? Likely my leading candidate for a shot at D1 scum lynch. Thanks. Like I said, I think you're town, I had little problem with your filter before, and your recent argument with Tere strengthens that, if anything. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
My reasoning for looking at Tere is because I'm a silly, paranoid doubter. Tere, I hope you can understand why I am still a bit suspicious of your alignment, and you can assume that I am considering you town unless I say otherwise. Note that if I can convincingly show that you are town, I will do so and that is a priority for me to focus on lynching scum targets instead. I still think that Silverarte is looking like a not bad lynch at the moment. And I would like to see some more reads from zlefin. | ||
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Silverarte
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 12:52 Silverarte wrote: I'll take a look. General reads would be useful. Can we actually get one of those simple Town/Leaning Town/Null/Leaning Scum/Scum lists from you?Tea crisis solved. >< Back. Any questions for me while I float through? | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 19 2015 12:37 Trfel wrote: The Shining But you didn't townread me for my opening. And I was scum and put myself in the spotlight in the last game you were in. If you answered this already, I'm sorry. I got bored reading your filter (not because it was boring, but because I think you are town and there are other things I want to look in to!), so if you have answered this already, please forgive me. If not, it would be nice to know. If this really was a pressure push, why didn't you vote right away? Thanks. Like I said, I think you're town, I had little problem with your filter before, and your recent argument with Tere strengthens that, if anything. Are you asking why I towned Hier but not you? You missed the last part of the sentence. "With a strategy that unwittingly favors scum.". You put yourself in the spotlight, yes, but not with a huge thought out strategy that makes the game easier for scum. It was so obviously scum-favored, at least in my opinion, that scum putting it up was tantamount to suicide. And would you look at that, we lynched him for it. Mislynched, to be exact. With you, it might be a little misguided but you have been in all of my TL games to date. Openings to push conversation is your play style, regardless of your alignment. And I had to keep extra caution because you were scum last time you did it. And I have always been cautious with my votes. Pressure voting isn't my strong suit, and I guess it showed here in this game. I didn't even want to vote to start with, but after 3 posts and no response, I wasn't sure I was going to get one without voting. | ||
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Silverarte
115 Posts
On February 19 2015 12:54 Trfel wrote: I'll take a look. General reads would be useful. Can we actually get one of those simple Town/Leaning Town/Null/Leaning Scum/Scum lists from you? Oh sure. I'll get right on that. =) | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Side note, does someone mind taking a look at the early part of jarjarbinks' filter? I'm looking for something in particular. On February 16 2015 12:00 jarjarbinks wrote: Here, jarjarbinks retracts his position on The Shining. But what was the initial position? All I'm seeing is a super early game null read. You don't retract a null read.... Surely I'm missing something, right?I retract my position on the shining. Has scumhunted/given reads a lot. I like a lot of the posts too. Solid filter, despite not having many posts. Probably one of my strongest townreads right now. | ||
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Trfel
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The Shining
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Silverarte
115 Posts
Town: Trfel Leaning Town: The Shining Null: Zlefin JarJar Leaning Scum: ElyAs Scum: Tere | ||
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Silverarte
115 Posts
On February 19 2015 13:11 The Shining wrote: Left work, on mobile. Left late, making a quick stop, be back in less than 2 hours. Ack. Be safe Shining! | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Why did that take you so long to type up? Because you were doing research for it, or what? Do you still have filters you want to look through and stuff? If so, carry on. I'll take a more detailed look at your filter once I'm finished with Tere. | ||
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Silverarte
115 Posts
Also, I'm going to be heading to bed here shortly. If you have anything for me in the meantime I'm here, but otherwise, I need to hit the sack. XD | ||
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 13:22 Silverarte wrote: Very well, good night. I might not actually get to your filter tonight, if not, first priority for tomorrow (after reading the thread, of course).I was searching for a few of them, yes. I was researching it a bit just to see if anything else had switched up for me. Also, I'm going to be heading to bed here shortly. If you have anything for me in the meantime I'm here, but otherwise, I need to hit the sack. XD | ||
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Silverarte
115 Posts
On February 19 2015 13:23 Trfel wrote: Very well, good night. I might not actually get to your filter tonight, if not, first priority for tomorrow (after reading the thread, of course). No worries. I look forward to your reads then. Take it easy and have a good night! (When you get to the resting bit and all that fun stuff) | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Tere, do you mind explaining the history of your read on ElyAs and why it changed? It seems to have started out as a townread for seeming to scumhunt, and then you scumread him for having an empty filter. Why the change? And then, you moved him to town based on one post (I'm fine with this, though I do note that the timing is slightly suspicious, given I had recently made it clear that I thought ElyAs was town). | ||
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