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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 04:32 GMT
#1021
Trfel, I'm sorry but I need to address this. You really have no problem with what you're reading as town Tere actually quoting the question I asked her to tell me I'm reading her wrong but still claiming to have not seen the question?

Imo, it's a pretty blatant example of either unwillingness to read or avoiding the question.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 04:37 GMT
#1022
On February 19 2015 13:32 The Shining wrote:
Trfel, I'm sorry but I need to address this. You really have no problem with what you're reading as town Tere actually quoting the question I asked her to tell me I'm reading her wrong but still claiming to have not seen the question?

Imo, it's a pretty blatant example of either unwillingness to read or avoiding the question.
Tere has no reason to avoid answering the question. I don't see it as unwillingness to read, either. So I really don't have a problem with it, it's one anomaly in a filter that seems to be focused scumhunting.

Tere was tired. Call that a silly excuse, I can point to lots of terrible errors I've made due to sleep deprivation.

Allow me to cite Linux Mafia, the most prominent example. I thought I had IAmRobik all caught as mafia. The case was based on the fact that he claimed named VT right at the start of the game. He said the reason was so that we would know he was town and follow his lead. Then he made a bunch of terrible posts and AFK'd for the rest of Day 1. It was 4:30 AM, I was tired, and I thought he was scum. My case was based around the fact that if he was town, his claim was terrible, as that would give scum more accuracy in their night kills hitting a town role with a night action, and he failed to do anything whatsoever to follow through with the positive intention, that is making him useful as a confirmed town player. That would be a terrible town play, so I determined he had to be scum. I forgot to account for the most likely, and extremely obvious possibility that he was a town player fake claiming.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 04:38 GMT
#1023
This is the post I'm referencing. She asked me to repost my question after I quoted this.

On February 19 2015 10:10 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 10:02 Tere wrote:
On February 19 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:
On February 19 2015 08:56 The Shining wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:05 Tere wrote:
On February 19 2015 01:27 ElyAs wrote:
You know what Tere ? I'm sold on you being town, and I really hope I'm right.

When I red your posts and Trfel's snap vote, I skipped a beat because I was starting to townread you and saw one of my townreads vote for you. I'm kinda relieved by Trfel's follow-up.

I know I'm not in the best of lights right now, and I'm gonna try to step up my game to find a good case, I owe it to jarjar and Trfel because their posts gave me a little bit of confidence.

I got an hour to allocate to this game right now and I'll try to use it well. (It is really a time consuming game !)


This post feels as towny as fuck to me. It's enough to move him off my autolynch pile - before this I was going to place a vote as the best option. It comes from a real place of emotion that is horribly hard to fake, IMO.

Moving Elyas up my town - scum pile towards town. Lurkers beware


Are you able to explain to me how this post could be only coming from a town perspective? There's a disclaimer for only having a certain amount of time, leaving an open door in case an uncomfortable question gets asked. And an appeal to emotion instead of an actual reaction to your post.



Tere, this is what I was referring to. I can see Ely making this post from either alignment in a move to earn town cred, similar to what I thought you might be doing in talking to me like I'm a baby now. However, I'm going to actively talk to you right now and tomorrow when were both here before I pass anymore judgment on you.

If you are reading me like I'm talking to you like a baby, you are reading me wrong. I respect you and your intelligence. However, I really need to go to bed. We can spar in the morning? Deal?


Also quoting this to add to my filter as a reminder tomorrow. Have a goodnight Tere but I really do want to see a response to this when you wake up.

Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 04:38 GMT
#1024
Oh, it also helps that I really like the ElyAs post in question as well.

Anyway, I'll be gone for a bit. I'll check up on things when I'm done, maybe look through Silverarte's filter, but no guarantees about that.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 05:14 GMT
#1025
Ok, Trfel. I'm curious to see who agrees with you. Thank you for answering.

Would you mind elaborating? Do you like Ely's post in a town context?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 05:17 GMT
#1026
On February 19 2015 14:14 The Shining wrote:
Ok, Trfel. I'm curious to see who agrees with you. Thank you for answering.

Would you mind elaborating? Do you like Ely's post in a town context?
I do like the post, but I would mind elaborating. It's a question for Tere, and not for me. If I answer, then Tere's answer holds no value at all. I mean, I guess I could answer, but I'd rather not.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 05:18 GMT
#1027
Almost home, going to look into JJB. At first glance, I remember that post having context to it.

Would I be correct in assuming that by you towning myself, yourself, Tere and Ely, your lynch candidate will be between Silver, Z and JJB?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 05:19 GMT
#1028
On February 19 2015 14:17 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 14:14 The Shining wrote:
Ok, Trfel. I'm curious to see who agrees with you. Thank you for answering.

Would you mind elaborating? Do you like Ely's post in a town context?
I do like the post, but I would mind elaborating. It's a question for Tere, and not for me. If I answer, then Tere's answer holds no value at all. I mean, I guess I could answer, but I'd rather not.


I see what you're getting at. Alright, I'll let it go until Tere is back.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 05:23 GMT
#1029
On February 19 2015 14:18 The Shining wrote:
Almost home, going to look into JJB. At first glance, I remember that post having context to it.

Would I be correct in assuming that by you towning myself, yourself, Tere and Ely, your lynch candidate will be between Silver, Z and JJB?
You're talking to me, right?

If so, yes, you are correct. I won't choose to specify more at this time because I really think that Tere has a point that it can be beneficial to withhold reads every so often. I've been pushing tons of reads all game long, I want to see what people do if I step back.

My schedule really sucks for the lynch tomorrow, I'll be there two hours before the lynch. Most of my pushing will probably be during that time. Sorry Tere, I know you hate deadline stuff, but given my schedule, I don't see how to avoid it. You guys can help by voting for mafia, and showing why, so I don't have to force a vote switch XD

Of course, I'll be there some in the earlier afternoon, just not in full capacity.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 05:27 GMT
#1030
I was, Trfel. I'm pretty sure we're the only 2 here. And ok, that's all I wanted for now, anyway, thank you.

And this next lynch will either bag us scum or put us into Lylo. I hope you can see, objectively, why I'm worried about you preemptively giving an EoD excuse for the second time in as many Day phases. I hope you manage to use the time you do have before EoD productively.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 05:27 GMT
#1031
A lot of the problem is, I'm pretty sure I townread at least one of the mafia. But I have no clue who.

My goal is just to get this lynch on scum, and then redo all of my reads. But really, as long as we get this lynch, we're actually in a good spot.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 05:28 GMT
#1032
On February 19 2015 14:27 The Shining wrote:
I was, Trfel. I'm pretty sure we're the only 2 here. And ok, that's all I wanted for now, anyway, thank you.

And this next lynch will either bag us scum or put us into Lylo. I hope you can see, objectively, why I'm worried about you preemptively giving an EoD excuse for the second time in as many Day phases. I hope you manage to use the time you do have before EoD productively.
If there is any reason whatsoever for me to doubt my EOD capacity, I will make it very clear. I hate EOD excuses, but it's far better that I'm transparent about it.

Again, I'll be here at least 2 hours before EOD.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 05:32 GMT
#1033
Lol I agree, hence not calling for your head right now lol.

Alright, I'm out for a little bit. Just got home, time to make good on these dives.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 05:34 GMT
#1034
On February 19 2015 14:32 The Shining wrote:
Lol I agree, hence not calling for your head right now lol.

Alright, I'm out for a little bit. Just got home, time to make good on these dives.
I was about to go to sleep.

Ugh, fine, you convinced me, I'll do my best to get through some filters.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 05:38 GMT
#1035
lol? I'm on a night schedule, this is my best time to do so. I understand it being late for you and wanting to go to sleep, though, I wasn't implying you stick around and dive with me. If you want to sleep, sleep.

I just promised dives on certain people and the last thing I want is someone trying to use a lack of reading to try and push me tomorrow. If we lose because of my mislynch, I obviously need to work on my town game.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 05:40 GMT
#1036
On February 19 2015 14:38 The Shining wrote:
lol? I'm on a night schedule, this is my best time to do so. I understand it being late for you and wanting to go to sleep, though, I wasn't implying you stick around and dive with me. If you want to sleep, sleep.

I just promised dives on certain people and the last thing I want is someone trying to use a lack of reading to try and push me tomorrow. If we lose because of my mislynch, I obviously need to work on my town game.
Every atom of my body is begging for sleep.

But I'm honestly not ready for the lynch. My reads aren't at the level I want them at. And I may not get another chance.

Keep talking to me if possible, I need the motivation and focus.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 05:43 GMT
#1037
Oh, and I completely understand if you don't want to do this. It's an unfair request, and something that I can do myself.

But if you had a spare moment, if you could get a list of who is currently scumreading Tere and their most current reasons for doing so?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 19 2015 05:56 GMT
#1038
Poop I just got back. Promised a silver filter read earlier and haven't done it. I'll go through it and call it a night lol

Trf: Ya If I remember right I initially read Shining as one of my top two scum early game and switched it in the post you quoted.

Let me know if you got questions while I dive. Might be a quick filter dive cuz its silver lolz

Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 19 2015 06:00 GMT
#1039
On February 19 2015 14:56 jarjarbinks wrote:
Poop I just got back. Promised a silver filter read earlier and haven't done it. I'll go through it and call it a night lol

Trf: Ya If I remember right I initially read Shining as one of my top two scum early game and switched it in the post you quoted.

Let me know if you got questions while I dive. Might be a quick filter dive cuz its silver lolz

Hm, you've been strangely absent for much of the past 24 hours.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 19 2015 06:01 GMT
#1040
Neither am I, hence my latenight diving. And yeah, I'll do so, even if I think it is a bit lazy of you to ask me to do it. I haven't offered up much and you already hinted at pushing a lot of reads and wanting to hold back so this is the least I could do, I suppose. Also, for some, I double checked/skimmed filters once more so I may add a little extra with things I noticed.

Me - Leaning scum on Tere for what seems to me to be scatter shot suspicions, a lack of explanations on certain reads(most importantly, Silver's drop to scum and Ely's rise to town) and plays, what seemed to be hinting at either a blue role or some spectacular D2 play to catch scum, neither of which was the case...unless the case on me was the spectacular play.

You - Town on Tere. I'm not going to spit back your own filter at you.

Silver - Scumming Tere. Case here:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=49#966 Summary: One liners and an aloof attitude, parrots me on Tere's reaction to my RAGEQUIT reaction test, provides a lot of tonal reads and in the vein of tonal reads, Silver notes that Tere's tone today changed drastically when I came back at her for the first time this game.

ElyAs - Apparently won't be back until 2 hours before EoD, like Trfel. But left a lot earlier in the day. I'm not sure how he intends to find a good read with such little time, plus respond to what's been directed at him, unless he decides to push Silverarte, which at first glance seems to be his biggest scumread.

Anyway, he originally claimed Tere was one of the 2 he would kill if he had the opportunity yesterday, though he did cite a weak read based on her voting timing and sheeping the Hier reads from others. Admits in a later post it was weak reasoning. Then, after the WOTs from Tere, he switches to a STRONG townread without explaining why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=42#830

I hate pre-flip association but these 2 seem to be banding together after more than 1 person have 1 or both of them down as scum.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
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