EPTImo, it's a pretty blatant example of either unwillingness to read or avoiding the question.
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Imo, it's a pretty blatant example of either unwillingness to read or avoiding the question. | ||
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 13:32 The Shining wrote: Tere has no reason to avoid answering the question. I don't see it as unwillingness to read, either. So I really don't have a problem with it, it's one anomaly in a filter that seems to be focused scumhunting.Trfel, I'm sorry but I need to address this. You really have no problem with what you're reading as town Tere actually quoting the question I asked her to tell me I'm reading her wrong but still claiming to have not seen the question? Imo, it's a pretty blatant example of either unwillingness to read or avoiding the question. Tere was tired. Call that a silly excuse, I can point to lots of terrible errors I've made due to sleep deprivation. Allow me to cite Linux Mafia, the most prominent example. I thought I had IAmRobik all caught as mafia. The case was based on the fact that he claimed named VT right at the start of the game. He said the reason was so that we would know he was town and follow his lead. Then he made a bunch of terrible posts and AFK'd for the rest of Day 1. It was 4:30 AM, I was tired, and I thought he was scum. My case was based around the fact that if he was town, his claim was terrible, as that would give scum more accuracy in their night kills hitting a town role with a night action, and he failed to do anything whatsoever to follow through with the positive intention, that is making him useful as a confirmed town player. That would be a terrible town play, so I determined he had to be scum. I forgot to account for the most likely, and extremely obvious possibility that he was a town player fake claiming. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 19 2015 10:10 The Shining wrote: Also quoting this to add to my filter as a reminder tomorrow. Have a goodnight Tere but I really do want to see a response to this when you wake up. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Anyway, I'll be gone for a bit. I'll check up on things when I'm done, maybe look through Silverarte's filter, but no guarantees about that. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Would you mind elaborating? Do you like Ely's post in a town context? | ||
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 14:14 The Shining wrote: I do like the post, but I would mind elaborating. It's a question for Tere, and not for me. If I answer, then Tere's answer holds no value at all. I mean, I guess I could answer, but I'd rather not.Ok, Trfel. I'm curious to see who agrees with you. Thank you for answering. Would you mind elaborating? Do you like Ely's post in a town context? | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Would I be correct in assuming that by you towning myself, yourself, Tere and Ely, your lynch candidate will be between Silver, Z and JJB? | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 19 2015 14:17 Trfel wrote: I do like the post, but I would mind elaborating. It's a question for Tere, and not for me. If I answer, then Tere's answer holds no value at all. I mean, I guess I could answer, but I'd rather not. I see what you're getting at. Alright, I'll let it go until Tere is back. | ||
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 14:18 The Shining wrote: You're talking to me, right?Almost home, going to look into JJB. At first glance, I remember that post having context to it. Would I be correct in assuming that by you towning myself, yourself, Tere and Ely, your lynch candidate will be between Silver, Z and JJB? If so, yes, you are correct. I won't choose to specify more at this time because I really think that Tere has a point that it can be beneficial to withhold reads every so often. I've been pushing tons of reads all game long, I want to see what people do if I step back. My schedule really sucks for the lynch tomorrow, I'll be there two hours before the lynch. Most of my pushing will probably be during that time. Sorry Tere, I know you hate deadline stuff, but given my schedule, I don't see how to avoid it. You guys can help by voting for mafia, and showing why, so I don't have to force a vote switch XD Of course, I'll be there some in the earlier afternoon, just not in full capacity. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
And this next lynch will either bag us scum or put us into Lylo. I hope you can see, objectively, why I'm worried about you preemptively giving an EoD excuse for the second time in as many Day phases. I hope you manage to use the time you do have before EoD productively. | ||
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Trfel
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My goal is just to get this lynch on scum, and then redo all of my reads. But really, as long as we get this lynch, we're actually in a good spot. | ||
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 14:27 The Shining wrote: If there is any reason whatsoever for me to doubt my EOD capacity, I will make it very clear. I hate EOD excuses, but it's far better that I'm transparent about it.I was, Trfel. I'm pretty sure we're the only 2 here. And ok, that's all I wanted for now, anyway, thank you. And this next lynch will either bag us scum or put us into Lylo. I hope you can see, objectively, why I'm worried about you preemptively giving an EoD excuse for the second time in as many Day phases. I hope you manage to use the time you do have before EoD productively. Again, I'll be here at least 2 hours before EOD. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Alright, I'm out for a little bit. Just got home, time to make good on these dives. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 19 2015 14:32 The Shining wrote: I was about to go to sleep.Lol I agree, hence not calling for your head right now lol. Alright, I'm out for a little bit. Just got home, time to make good on these dives. Ugh, fine, you convinced me, I'll do my best to get through some filters. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
I just promised dives on certain people and the last thing I want is someone trying to use a lack of reading to try and push me tomorrow. If we lose because of my mislynch, I obviously need to work on my town game. | ||
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 14:38 The Shining wrote: Every atom of my body is begging for sleep.lol? I'm on a night schedule, this is my best time to do so. I understand it being late for you and wanting to go to sleep, though, I wasn't implying you stick around and dive with me. If you want to sleep, sleep. I just promised dives on certain people and the last thing I want is someone trying to use a lack of reading to try and push me tomorrow. If we lose because of my mislynch, I obviously need to work on my town game. But I'm honestly not ready for the lynch. My reads aren't at the level I want them at. And I may not get another chance. Keep talking to me if possible, I need the motivation and focus. | ||
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Trfel
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But if you had a spare moment, if you could get a list of who is currently scumreading Tere and their most current reasons for doing so? | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Trf: Ya If I remember right I initially read Shining as one of my top two scum early game and switched it in the post you quoted. Let me know if you got questions while I dive. Might be a quick filter dive cuz its silver lolz | ||
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 14:56 jarjarbinks wrote: Hm, you've been strangely absent for much of the past 24 hours.Poop I just got back. Promised a silver filter read earlier and haven't done it. I'll go through it and call it a night lol Trf: Ya If I remember right I initially read Shining as one of my top two scum early game and switched it in the post you quoted. Let me know if you got questions while I dive. Might be a quick filter dive cuz its silver lolz | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Me - Leaning scum on Tere for what seems to me to be scatter shot suspicions, a lack of explanations on certain reads(most importantly, Silver's drop to scum and Ely's rise to town) and plays, what seemed to be hinting at either a blue role or some spectacular D2 play to catch scum, neither of which was the case...unless the case on me was the spectacular play. You - Town on Tere. I'm not going to spit back your own filter at you. Silver - Scumming Tere. Case here:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=49#966 Summary: One liners and an aloof attitude, parrots me on Tere's reaction to my RAGEQUIT reaction test, provides a lot of tonal reads and in the vein of tonal reads, Silver notes that Tere's tone today changed drastically when I came back at her for the first time this game. ElyAs - Apparently won't be back until 2 hours before EoD, like Trfel. But left a lot earlier in the day. I'm not sure how he intends to find a good read with such little time, plus respond to what's been directed at him, unless he decides to push Silverarte, which at first glance seems to be his biggest scumread. Anyway, he originally claimed Tere was one of the 2 he would kill if he had the opportunity yesterday, though he did cite a weak read based on her voting timing and sheeping the Hier reads from others. Admits in a later post it was weak reasoning. Then, after the WOTs from Tere, he switches to a STRONG townread without explaining why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=42#830 I hate pre-flip association but these 2 seem to be banding together after more than 1 person have 1 or both of them down as scum. | ||
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