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Trfel
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Trfel
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On February 19 2015 15:38 The Shining wrote: Is this directed at me?Did you miss the part where we got at eachother? lol. Also, definitive answer for Silver, please. You leaning scum or town? Anyway, thanks a bunch for digging up all of this. I don't think I see any strong reasons to scumread Tere that I missed, but I'll take another look. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Regardless, EVERYONE minus myself scumming Silver is raising red flags for me. I was null on her but now I truly have to dive her. I did mention that Tere's suspicions seemed pretty scattershot, with the only constant being her scumread on me. But that read when she first entered the game was a slight town lean, too. Also, I believe that was somewhat original on Silver's part. Trfel did comment that people seemed to pick up on his reads and analysis but did not specify which ones, I think. And I pinged on the fact that Tere rescinded her Ely read for a town read off of 1 post that, IMO, could come from either alignment. It could just be a coincidence that Tere decided to replace Ely with Silver following Trfel's analysis of her but it is a good point to look into. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 19 2015 15:44 Trfel wrote: Is this directed at me? Anyway, thanks a bunch for digging up all of this. I don't think I see any strong reasons to scumread Tere that I missed, but I'll take another look. I could just be wrong on Tere, but I won't be able to get a good feel on it for sure until I see her at EoD. And no prob. | ||
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Trfel
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jarjarbinks
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On February 19 2015 15:38 The Shining wrote: As am I. I hate to say it but diving/skimming everyone for their stances on Tere kind of took it out of me. Also I forgot Zlefin. Zlefin - Null on Tere, healthy suspicion but seems to be more set on pushing Ely or Silver. Speaking of Silver...you got me interested in the exercise I just did with Tere. As far as I see, Trfel is leaning scum or at least willing to lynch Silver. Tere dropped her to being scum with me. Ely and Zlef both see Silver as scummish, as per the lists they posted. JJB is calling her forgettable up until now, but points out that she did take the effort to scumread Tere, although he is incorrect in saying Tere's being accepted as a townread. Did you miss the part where we got at eachother? lol. Also, definitive answer for Silver, please. You leaning scum or town? I'm not done with the filter, sorry. Posting thoughts in segments lol I did see that. Are you still that suspicious of her? It seems like you are less. Trf seems less. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 19 2015 15:48 jarjarbinks wrote: I'm not done with the filter, sorry. Posting thoughts in segments lol I did see that. Are you still that suspicious of her? It seems like you are less. Trf seems less. Of who, Tere? | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
This is a fantastic tool, but it's an imperfect science and one we all pointed out to several of the others who joined us (Zlefin, etc). You, yourself have been very pleasant and forward, but very much pushing for others thoughts and ideas while holding back your own. I don't feel this is reaching, since this isn't the first time this has happened this game." This feels like Silver is searching for answers. Other town are doing this (Rso and Trf) and I think the reasoning seems relatively clear. Their strategy is working, it got Shining to say more and Silver to say more on their reads without the help of others. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Ya Tere, sorry about that lol | ||
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Trfel
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I'll take a back seat for a while, looking forward to see what you guys come up with. This feels like if we hit scum, it will be one of those awesome success stories XD Hopefully that's enough encouragement. I'll add one more encouragement song. + Show Spoiler + Good luck. Regardless of how this turns out, it's been a pleasure, each and every one one you. Except if Tere is scum, that's more like bamboo torture. | ||
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Trfel
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
In other words, I'm concentrating my efforts on finding the other scum. That will, imo, either give her away as the 2nd scum or exonerate her, depending on who flips. Once she interacts with me tomorrow, and of course post lynch flip, I'll have a more definitive answer. And I agree with the fact that holding back reads or thoughts sometimes forces others to put original thoughts into the thread. It is how we interpret those original thoughts that makes the strategy useful. And please, once you're done with Silver, a read either way would be helpful. Trfel WIFOM? It's a newbie game, we could have first time scummers or scum team could be the most experienced in the game. Do you really think it would be such a seamless bus that we wouldn't be able to pick up on who was least committed to the Silver scumread? You're either putting a lot of faith into the scum team or little to no faith in your/our scumhunting abilities as town. Also, am I wrong in thinking that with this much time left in the day, a counter wagon would be at least attempted before scum buses a partner in a game this small? | ||
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The Shining
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jarjarbinks
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My final verdict of her case: It's good she's posting, but I can't tell if it is scumhunting or built as a defense to the people who are calling her out. I thought her case was relatively weak, did it really help town? Granted, this is her second game and she doesn't have a lot of time, but those are excuses. The rest of her filter seems like its just defending herself and non content posts. She did provide us that content post, so if you are scumreading her I would advise you to look at that over most of the rest of her filter. I had Tere at #2 in my lynch list before, but I'm putting Silver as more lynchable than Tere. I need to go through Elyas's filter to see if I think she is my top lynch target. Elyas hasn't left much of an impression on me today, but I have been less active today than yesterday and the day before lol | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
The Shining, I'm not sure what you're getting at. If we get a scum lynch, it's a completely new game. I would highly expect to win if we get a scum lynch today. That said, I don't think that we can use a potential bus on Silverarte to catch the second scum until after Silverarte flips mafia. Sure, scum would probably attempt a counter wagon. The Silverarte lynch has little momentum vote-wise, and there are several people scumreading Tere. I don't know if that answers your question, but I don't see the current votes/wagons as an indication of Silverarte being town. I would sort of expect this regardless of Silverarte's alignment. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 19 2015 16:07 The Shining wrote: JJB, I'm slightly less suspicious of her in the sense that, post interaction, I realized I'd get nowhere pushing her. I still have my gut feeling and I've made it abundantly clear why she could possibly be scum, but I'm also weary of putting us into lylo with another mislynch and, to be fair, there are some town points and good posts in her filter to counteract my thoughts. In other words, I'm concentrating my efforts on finding the other scum. That will, imo, either give her away as the 2nd scum or exonerate her, depending on who flips. Once she interacts with me tomorrow, and of course post lynch flip, I'll have a more definitive answer. And I agree with the fact that holding back reads or thoughts sometimes forces others to put original thoughts into the thread. It is how we interpret those original thoughts that makes the strategy useful. And please, once you're done with Silver, a read either way would be helpful. Trfel WIFOM? It's a newbie game, we could have first time scummers or scum team could be the most experienced in the game. Do you really think it would be such a seamless bus that we wouldn't be able to pick up on who was least committed to the Silver scumread? You're either putting a lot of faith into the scum team or little to no faith in your/our scumhunting abilities as town. Also, am I wrong in thinking that with this much time left in the day, a counter wagon would be at least attempted before scum buses a partner in a game this small? Your right. She is one of the most inactive, so it will be easy for us to mislynch her if she is town lol solid point on that flips later could determine if she is actually scum. Most people seem to be following the same train of thought on here, which might make this harder later when we do see more flips. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
We had this many willing to lynch Hier. He flipped town. I don't want that happening again. | ||
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
I drank too much last night, have an unhappy stomach and am fuzzy headed, but right now I kinda think I wanna do something which will probably bug the crap out of everybody. I kinda think I wanna ##vote Trfel. It's like this. There's a post in my filter where I respond to him and say he's like this weirdly negging boyfriend that's not giving me a lady boner. I just can't shake it, I really can't. It's really bothering me. I need everyone else to go look at Trfel's filter and see what they think. I might just be falling down the rabbit hole, but if so I need to step away from the edge. I need to take the car in for servicing and will be at least 8 or 9 hours. I won't be able to post but I will try and grab a coffee and do a full read and reset. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 19 2015 09:49 Trfel wrote: A response to Tere (because zlefin asked for it, shrug) Note that I do not require a response if you do not choose to provide one. It is spoilered because I don't see it as being very important. + Show Spoiler + This post makes a lot of sense. I understand more at what you were getting at in your Walls of Text. Not directed towards me, but this is really nice to see. Now, this post. I hate adding responses inside quotes, so bear with me (if anyone is actually reading this). As to me being patronizing to Tere ("good girl, well done"), this is not intended in the slightest. Whether she is scum or town, I'm pretty sure that Tere is the most skilled player left in this game, and I have no right whatsoever to be condescending to her. My only intention was to acknowledge the effort and thank her for it, and say that I felt that it made rather good evidence for her being town. As for me judging my own play, I was not looking for sympathy, and my intention was not to talk about myself. I was saying that you townread me for something, and I didn't like your reasoning, while allowing for the possibility of an accurate tone read (because I am terrible at tone reads). I have already accepted that Tere and I think differently and work differently. I don't think that is a problem. As for simplifying your reads, you are right that that part of my post was horrid. I have no explanation. As for me not being confident in my tone read of Tere, I'm bad at tone reads, of course I'm not confident in it (that won't stop me from trying to use tone reads, though...). I guess it makes sense that you don't want to lead a wagon. I disagree, and think that you are good enough at this game that I think you ought to lead a wagon, but I understand what you are saying and I accept it. And no, I'm not scum. I am not 100% sure of your alignment, but I think you are town. Tagging this at the bottom because I'm not sure it deserves its own post. You already have my reaction, to me it seems like a town vs town argument. This isn't what I asked for, I asked for a response to my request for a list in standard format, of where you view each player Towny Neutral Scummy | ||
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