EPTshining, jarjar, tere.
apologies if you did post but I somehow didn't notice it. I just went back through all the posts looking specifically for those, but it's always possible to miss things.
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
shining, jarjar, tere. apologies if you did post but I somehow didn't notice it. I just went back through all the posts looking specifically for those, but it's always possible to miss things. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
ElyAs (1): zlefin Silverarte (1): Trfel Tere (1): Trfel (1): Tere Not Voting (3): Silverarte, ElyAs, jarjarbinks Currently, ElyAs is set to be expelled from South Park Elementary. Day 2 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 19 2015 17:05 Tere wrote: Hm. Voting and going away. Illogical suspicions without concrete explanations. Remind you of anything? Morning. I drank too much last night, have an unhappy stomach and am fuzzy headed, but right now I kinda think I wanna do something which will probably bug the crap out of everybody. I kinda think I wanna ##vote Trfel. It's like this. There's a post in my filter where I respond to him and say he's like this weirdly negging boyfriend that's not giving me a lady boner. I just can't shake it, I really can't. It's really bothering me. I need everyone else to go look at Trfel's filter and see what they think. I might just be falling down the rabbit hole, but if so I need to step away from the edge. I need to take the car in for servicing and will be at least 8 or 9 hours. I won't be able to post but I will try and grab a coffee and do a full read and reset.  | ||
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Trfel
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I also note that you only voiced genuine suspicions of me right after I said that I would be busy the next day.... hrmph. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
On February 19 2015 17:05 Tere wrote: Morning. I drank too much last night, have an unhappy stomach and am fuzzy headed, but right now I kinda think I wanna do something which will probably bug the crap out of everybody. I kinda think I wanna ##vote Trfel. It's like this. There's a post in my filter where I respond to him and say he's like this weirdly negging boyfriend that's not giving me a lady boner. I just can't shake it, I really can't. It's really bothering me. I need everyone else to go look at Trfel's filter and see what they think. I might just be falling down the rabbit hole, but if so I need to step away from the edge. I need to take the car in for servicing and will be at least 8 or 9 hours. I won't be able to post but I will try and grab a coffee and do a full read and reset. Wow, that's what I call a scud. I think something's starting to make sense. I'm changing my way of reading this game. Something felt off but I can narrow it down to 3 people as possible lynch for tonight imo. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 19 2015 22:46 zlefin wrote: I don't think the current vote distribution is problematic at all. No one has started seriously pushing yet.what a wide distribution of vote targets. It does not speak well of our chances I think. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
On February 19 2015 11:46 The Shining wrote: Yeah, that post. To be clear when you're catching up, Ely, I'd like to know how being unable to decide between alignments for me becomes an automatic scum instead of null? Please explain my scumread. Something other than "you're scumming my top townread so you're scum" would help. This is the same player who has also felt almost forgettable, and personally, although he did rescind afterward, he misrepresented one of my posts to make it seem like I hinted at contributing more, then AFKing thread. It was a red flag that I let go because he quickly backed off but I'll be giving a concrete on him once he returns with the results of his JJB and Zlefin filterdives. Gonna answer this in my next post, along with the way I've been reading Tere. | ||
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
There are 3 distinct scenarii that could be happening right now. 1) This is a game with scum being godfather / goon. Trfel is the godfather and is playing like town, but with ambiguous behaviour, as noted by The Shining in the beginning of the game. This is to draw a possible cop to check him and return with a green check. Also, he was quite ready to jump the gun on Tere even tho she has been breadcrumbing all this time (more on this in the third scenario). He was on the same timing as Tere/me on Hier's lynch. Day 2 he has been discussing with us, but something feels... off ? He is distancing himself from some easy lynches, maybe he didn't want to start an obvious wagon as scum. At the time he said he didn't want to lynch me, I was still very much a target. 2) Same case, godfather / goon. This time godfather is The Shining, who started to set up Trfel and paint him as godfather. His outburst could be a last ditch effort to appear as frustrated town. This scenario is possible but I'm not sold on it. I thought of this possibility yesterday, which is why I did put him as slight scum. (My first intention was actually to create a "Confusing" category just for you.) 3) Scum setup is roleblocker / goon. Tere is scum and breadcrumbing to confuse us because there is a 25% chance for a particular role to - not be present - be compatible with another role. Which would then be opened for a scumclaim. I dunno if Tere is willing to take this 25% chance as scum, but for the sake of discussion, let's say yes. There is also the probability that that particular blue role is not willing to claim. (unlikely) If that's the case, I was sold on that breadcrumbing and this explains my strong read on Tere. I'm not talking about any scumpartners right now because I believe scum between those 3 is gonna be the most dangerous of scums. Right now, I'm thinking scenario 1 is the most probable. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 20 2015 03:02 ElyAs wrote: I'm sorry, I don't understand this at all.Consider this. There are 3 distinct scenarii that could be happening right now. 1) This is a game with scum being godfather / goon. Trfel is the godfather and is playing like town, but with ambiguous behaviour, as noted by The Shining in the beginning of the game. This is to draw a possible cop to check him and return with a green check. Also, he was quite ready to jump the gun on Tere even tho she has been breadcrumbing all this time (more on this in the third scenario). He was on the same timing as Tere/me on Hier's lynch. Day 2 he has been discussing with us, but something feels... off ? He is distancing himself from some easy lynches, maybe he didn't want to start an obvious wagon as scum. At the time he said he didn't want to lynch me, I was still very much a target. 2) Same case, godfather / goon. This time godfather is The Shining, who started to set up Trfel and paint him as godfather. His outburst could be a last ditch effort to appear as frustrated town. This scenario is possible but I'm not sold on it. I thought of this possibility yesterday, which is why I did put him as slight scum. (My first intention was actually to create a "Confusing" category just for you.) 3) Scum setup is roleblocker / goon. Tere is scum and breadcrumbing to confuse us because there is a 25% chance for a particular role to - not be present - be compatible with another role. Which would then be opened for a scumclaim. I dunno if Tere is willing to take this 25% chance as scum, but for the sake of discussion, let's say yes. There is also the probability that that particular blue role is not willing to claim. (unlikely) If that's the case, I was sold on that breadcrumbing and this explains my strong read on Tere. I'm not talking about any scumpartners right now because I believe scum between those 3 is gonna be the most dangerous of scums. Right now, I'm thinking scenario 1 is the most probable. | ||
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Tere
United Kingdom225 Posts
OK, well first off, I've done a full and complete reread, and I feel much better about things. I think we can win this, guys. As often happens when you do this, I've had a complete rethink on my reads. I'm not going to apologise for that, I think it's pretty normal if I'm honest. Here are my four townreads, I feel these are all strong townreads now: The Shining - Firstly, the Shining, apologies for swearing at you last night when you said you were going to quit, I was just really frustrated with you. Secondly, thank you for the fisticuffs, because a)yay, I get to say fisticuffs, and b)yay, it really helped me to sort you. The whole interaction we had then made me feel much much better about you, particularly your response to my gladiation challenge. Sorry I didn't answer your question last night, I was just very sleepy and really quite tipsy and was being dippit. To answer your question on my townread of ElyAs, I felt it came from a quite genuine place of emotion from him at the time, and I could really see the flow there. I also really liked his follow up with Silverarte later, which I'd read before responding to him as strong town, and had done a filter reread, so, while I guess I didn't say so at the time, my change of view was built up from more than just the one post. Does that make sense, do you need more from me? zlefin - looking back through his filter, on no account lynch this, this is newbie town trying to find his voice. Everything in his filter looks genuine and genuinely questioning, no ping for me at all. Jarjar - I might not understand Jarjar's read process, but all his interactions come strongly from a town perspective. I am reading him as strongly town and have been for quite some time. ElyAs - having gone back through his filter, I am far more comfortable with ElyAs in general. Now, here are my two scumreads. There is quite a lot of mental distance between the two lists for me. I feel there is a very good bet this is the scumteam. I'd say I am 95% sure, for those of you who like percentages. Silverarte - assistant scum, currently be bussed by obvscum Trfel in an attempt at towncred. Trfel - tank scum. Probably the Godfather, if I were to guess. I think this scum team really stacks up - there is clearly a more active scum around given the lack of obvscum in the quieter players, and it's not me and I don't believe it's the Shining, I have a strong townread on him now. If you do an associative read on these two it's also looking pretty likely. I am going to do a full case on the pair of them and a look at associative reads. This is going to be long and detailed and it is a lot of work so you have to bear with me for a couple of hours. I don't mind which we lynch in principle, but in practice I think it would be a lot better if we lynched Trfel. His flip will show Silverarte as scum pretty clearly I feel and will clear up all the WIFOM from his current bussing. I won't countenance lynching anyone from outside this lynchpool today. I do want the four of us to try to line up on one clear target in order that scum can't try and save themselves at the last minute. Pretty please?  Back with some epic WOTs. | ||
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On February 19 2015 07:37 The Shining wrote: For Zlefin: Townish: Trfel, me. Null:JJB, Silver, Zlef(diving these filters + Ely right now) Scummy: Tere rescinded Ely too fast off of one post, considering it was your other strong scumread besides me. So Tere - ElyAs Ely - Just getting into thread and want to cross check some things but I've honestly been waffling on whether the Godfather is Trfel or Tere myself, since the game started. I'll see which of those options I like best, or if it is just a ploy to deflect suspicion off of you. Tere - The question that was never answered. It's a new day. I'm here. Answer it pl0x. WTF makes Ely's one post you claim to town read him off of so special that you towned him so hard for it? You have a vote up on Trfel of all people. It doesn't escape me that my only 2 scumreads are now setting up to push Trfel together. Explain your Trfel vote or it'll garner no support. And do it earlier than a few minutes before EoD, please. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
This makes no sense at all and you know it. This is so bad, it makes me wonder if Tere is scum. I don't even have words for this. People, use common sense, think of logic instead of this nonsense. What the heck is tank scum, anyway? | ||
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
The breadcrumb was too obvious for that imo. | ||
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