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Ely I gathered you would be back 2 hours before EoD by reading this post here:
On February 19 2015 02:27 ElyAs wrote:
It really took an hour to write this ? Holy hell. I don't want to leave this post alone but I won't have the time to do another one of these right now. [b]I'll be back for 11PM CET for follow-up.[b]
11:00 PM Thursday, Central European Time (CET) is 5:00 PM Thursday, Eastern Time (ET). Okay nevermind, I made another time mistake. You actually said you'd be back AT EoD, not before it. I guess I misunderstood this post as saying you would not be back before then, but obviously you're here, so point is moot.
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Tere. Associative reads are terrible. I could make a plausible case on associative reads for almost ANY scumteam, I bet. You yourself said why associative reads are terrible.
Why would I bus Silverarte? When I made my case on Silverarte, there was very little, if any, pressure on Silverarte at the time (just a one-liner from rsoultin and a little bit from ElyAs, which was posted after I was working on my case). Your reasoning to lynch me first is terrible, you just want to lynch me before I get a chance to show why I am right.
NOTE THAT ALL OF THIS ONLY STARTED AFTER I SAID I WAS GOING TO BE BUSY TODAY!!!!
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Understandable then, different timezones can be confusing.
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On February 20 2015 03:14 Trfel wrote:
Wow. You guys are seriously going to throw the game.
This makes no sense at all and you know it. This is so bad, it makes me wonder if Tere is scum.
I don't even have words for this. People, use common sense, think of logic instead of this nonsense.
What the heck is tank scum, anyway? Actually, no. This isn't throwing the game. I'm pretty sure that only a mafia!Tere would play like this. Look at the timing, look at the change in perspectives. It all makes sense.
You know what, Tere? I'll bring my laptop to class, or maybe skip class. You're trying to get rid of me, it won't work.
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Look at the timing. It's perfect for scum. Enough time to get a lynch going, not enough time for everyone to fully read, react, and analyze.
I've been a consistent town read all game, and for a reason. I've been leading the town (with the help of rsoultin), promoting discussion, asking questions, and thinking critically. My reads have often been copied by people, INCLUDING TERE. I've provided the largest number of cases out of anyone. I'm just not able to replicate this play as mafia. Anyone who has played with mafia!Trfel or wants to read my mafia game knows this.
When I said that my filter speaks for itself, I don't mean the length. I mean the consistent scumhunting, and trying to solve the game.
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I need to get lunch. I need to go to class. I don't have time for this nonsense.
Sorry, I'll try to calm down. But this push is terrible. I don't even need to see the reasons, if it is an associative case, it's terrible. "I reread the thread and redid all my reads" is a horrible excuse. If anything, that indicates that Tere wasn't reading carefully the first time, which is countered by her seeming confidence and effort in the Walls of Text.
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On February 19 2015 07:34 Tere wrote:Question I've bolded is in the quote. Read the spoilers. + Show Spoiler +On February 19 2015 07:03 zlefin wrote:
I've for the most part (aside from the couple posts mentioned a short while ago) liked Tere's responses of late, so I'm giving her a town point;
here's where my point totals are now:
Trfel 0/2
Shining 1/1
rsoultin 1/1 dead town N1
elyas -1/1
jarjar -1/3
tere -1/3
hier 0/2 dead town D1
silver -1/1
as a reminder, not all points area created equal, it simply means I at one time or another had a feel one way or another. Some feels are stronger than others, and I haven't yet figured out a system for letting points decay over time, or if I even should have points decay over time.
I'm going to put this in another format:
Townish: Shining
Neutral: Trfel, Jarjar, tere
Scummish: elyas, silver
Question for everyone: In terms of the above 3 categories (townish, neutral, or scummish) how would you classify each other remaining player?
If you could format it similarly to above, so it's easier to read and compare them, please do so.
Jarjar, you seem to like data and tables, would having that data from each player be helpful to you, given that they're merely statements and not votes?
So, question: Question for everyone: In terms of the above 3 categories (townish, neutral, or scummish) how would you classify each other remaining player?I would put a mental category above that in. if you are town, you know you are 100% town. I don't think there's any issue in reminding people of that. Town: Tere Townish: Trfel, Jarjar, zlefin Neutral: ElyAs, Scummish: Silverarte, The Shining If you want to contrast it to my end of N1 reads, ElyAs has moved up slightly, SilverArte has moved down. I've read the two cases against her. There are other factors, I want to wait for others to post before digging in to that. I think you / zlefin are consistently trying to find his own way newbie, I feel that's a stronger townread. I am slightly less comfy with Trfel after that weird neggy post, but I am waiting for him to respond, so I haven't moved him yet. He was my strongest townread beforehand. Where my head currently is anyway. Anyone got any burning questions? I need to sleep soonish 
quickly before I WOT. zlefin, here was my read you asked for from last night. Where I am after myreread is as follows:
Town: Tere
95% Town: The Shining, zlefin, Jarjar, ElyAs
95% Scum: Silverarte, Trfel.
I'd actually be willing to go higher than 95% I think. Nothing's a certainty, but I'm pretty damn certain.
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Lookit the little scum trying to play an appeal to emotion, saying we are throwing the game.
Lookit the little scum getting ready to work up another of his lame scumcases on me.
Lookit the little scum again trying to neg my case by claiming it's going to just be based on associative reads when I said no such thing. Oh there will be a case on you, scum. You bet it. And I'll be drilling you hard. If necessary, I'll pull out every single scummy thing you've said and done in your filter, and I'll do it until you are dead.
I smell your fear, scum.
Trfel, I am calling you out - if you are so sure I am scum, Gladiate Meh!
let's do this, I have fire in my belly.
Now ignoring the thread to work on cases, until done.
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Actually, you know what, Ely. I don't really like that post. On the outside, it looks like a good analysis and 3 different point of views to consider. When you look into it, pardon my scumread bias showing here but I can see it coming from scum, too. You offer 3 options to town, 2 or possibly even all 3 of which could be mislynches, and the points don't seem too solid.
For Trfel, I can understand why he is done with Tere's breadcrumbing, I noticed it myself and it hasn't stopped me from scumming her. It could come from either alignment. And distancing himself from easy lynches? He cased Silver, who arguably has given us less content this game than you have.
For me, I'm just going to be clear and say I'm not scum at all, let alone the godfather.
For Tere, this is pretty much exactly the problem I had with her. She seemed to breadcrumb which led us to nothing and although there's a lot of time and effort in her WOTs, nothing has been really consistent. Scumreads keep becoming townreads while town and nulls get dropped to scum.
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I can give you more, do you want more ?
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I want you to commit on your one train of thinking. If I'm correct, you said option 1 is most viable, right? If you're going to give me more, I'd prefer it be a case for whichever option you're going to push.
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trfel and jarjar, I'd still really like those lists from you two, especially trfel who I know has been around and seen it.
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I actually really want you to believe me, The Shining. I might wait for Tere to finish. I'm not as confident as she is, but my guesstimate is 75% that Trfel is the godfather.
Not saying anything on Silverarte yet, this lynch can wait imo.
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Tere isn't breadcrumbing. Saying you have your favorite role is not breadcrumbing.
VT is a role. Mafia goon is a role. Don't believe me? Look at the second post in the thread. Possible roles list includes VT and mafia. Still don't believe me? It's called a role PM. Still don't believe me? I've already expressed in previous games (probably Newbie Mafia LX obs chat, though I'm sure I can find it somewhere) that VT is my favorite role.
The potential breadcrumbing was talking about role at the same time as night kill choices. I don't care.
I can't be trying to get an easy lynch on Tere if I made it clear that I wanted to give her more time while everyone else was scumreading her (BASED ON MY CASE!!!).
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On February 20 2015 03:53 zlefin wrote:
trfel and jarjar, I'd still really like those lists from you two, especially trfel who I know has been around and seen it. Fine. I have other things to deal with. But it won't matter, we're not lynching anyone other than me, Tere, or Silverarte today (not because of gladiating or anything, just because that's how it will work).
Probably Town: The Shining
Slight town lean: ElyAs, jarjarbinks, zlefin
Scum lean: Tere*
Moderate scum lean: Silverarte
As for Tere, I need to take a detailed look at why exactly she claims to have arrived at this conclusion. Everything about what she is doing is screaming scum. But there is a chance that she is just town and making a horrible blunder.
Tere, not going to gladiate. That said, it seems rather likely that one of us will be lynched today. All logic says that will be you. With your experience and my inexperience, I'm not sure.
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Ok I'm gonna commit, I volontarily omitted the punchline to my scenarii post.
I'm Wendy Testaburger, town Doctor !
Which is why I can say with such confidence that the role distribution is either :
1 Godfather, 1 Goon, 1 Doc, 1 Vigilante, 5 Vanilla Town or
1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon, 1 Doc, 6 Vanilla Town
My point is, Tere has been breadcrumbing blue, but most importantly, she has been breadcrumbing Vigi adding to my strong townread.
Proof :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=44#874
"The two people I would shoot right now are The Shining and Silverarte."
Why is she saying this while nobody has asked her who'd she shoot ?
If this is true and Tere is Vigi, then we have a godfather that played like there could be cops around, while there are none.
If this is false... GG Tere, I got fooled and luck was on your side.
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On February 20 2015 03:10 Tere wrote:
Now, here are my two scumreads. There is quite a lot of mental distance between the two lists for me. I feel there is a very good bet this is the scumteam. I'd say I am 95% sure, for those of you who like percentages.
Silverarte - assistant scum, currently be bussed by obvscum Trfel in an attempt at towncred.
Trfel - tank scum. Probably the Godfather, if I were to guess.
I think this scum team really stacks up - there is clearly a more active scum around given the lack of obvscum in the quieter players, and it's not me and I don't believe it's the Shining, I have a strong townread on him now. If you do an associative read on these two it's also looking pretty likely.
I am going to do a full case on the pair of them and a look at associative reads. This is going to be long and detailed and it is a lot of work so you have to bear with me for a couple of hours. Tere, all the evidence you mentioned here is purely associative reads. I'm really looking forward to seeing other evidence.
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On February 20 2015 04:01 ElyAs wrote:Ok I'm gonna commit, I volontarily omitted the punchline to my scenarii post. I'm Wendy Testaburger, town Doctor ! Which is why I can say with such confidence that the role distribution is either : 1 Godfather, 1 Goon, 1 Doc, 1 Vigilante, 5 Vanilla Town or 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon, 1 Doc, 6 Vanilla Town My point is, Tere has been breadcrumbing blue, but most importantly, she has been breadcrumbing Vigi adding to my strong townread. Proof : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=44#874" The two people I would shoot right now are The Shining and Silverarte." Why is she saying this while nobody has asked her who'd she shoot ? If this is true and Tere is Vigi, then we have a godfather that played like there could be cops around, while there are none. If this is false... GG Tere, I got fooled and luck was on your side. Who did you save and why?
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I saved Trfel N1 because he was my top townread at the time.
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