Student Mafia V

On January 17 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote:
He said that he would only be making 10 posts per day. I personally feel that it will be extremely hard for him to play effectively with 10 posts per day. If he is purposefully handicapping himself with a very strict post limit and that causes him to play poorly and be lynched, that's his fault; we can't allow for players to intentionally play badly. I will remove my vote if he proves himself useful.

On January 17 2015 07:26 Trfel wrote:
Like I said, if he does something useful, I will move my vote.

On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:


Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player.

To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong.

Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game?

Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players.

On January 17 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote:

I not scum and I Was refering to rsoultin because she hasn't entered the thread yet and would love to talk to her about the game.

On January 17 2015 19:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts.

Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now.

Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow.

CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE

Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does.

DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought.

On January 17 2015 22:01 GlowingBear wrote:


And what do you make of it?

On January 18 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Gonna read the walls of post later.

ATTENTION LURKERS
IMMA GONNA GET YOU!!

On January 18 2015 12:11 TheWarWaffle wrote:
Trfel: Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective. His concerns regarding LS seem odd considering he always posts this way. Indeed, many of Trfel's meta-reads are effectively useless. I don't know why he would be making meta-reads based on the fact that he is playing completely different than his previous game. There is a great deal of fluff in almost all of his posts if one looks close enough... excessive repetition of known facts, lengthening of paragraphs with "purple prose", etc.

On January 18 2015 18:18 jarjarbinks wrote:


Good question on the being present in the thread and responding to questions thing. I feel like that is generally something everyone does?

I would disagree with this, at least from my limited experience. At least based on my only game, if town mislynches town 3 times then town is equally screwed as long as medic doesn't save anyone. My last game we had 3 straight mislynches and we were done. I think this game has the same number of players.

On January 19 2015 00:11 GlowingBear wrote:


Like, voting Breshke and saying that he isn't doing what he was supposed to do?

But even if I wasn't doing that. Why am I scum for NOT pushing lurkers?

On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote:
TOWN

Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it.

LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town.

Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive.

On January 18 2015 15:07 Breshke wrote:


I read him town for some weak meta case on my being more lurky as mafia. I expected someone to try and come at me because of it and thought it was towny. That's actually a fairly shit tier read though because it isn't actually alignment indicative. Would need to look more into it but i wouldn't call him town anymore.

On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff?

On January 19 2015 02:23 TheWarWaffle wrote:

It's not just about the policy vote; it's about how all of Trfel's actions coalesce into a very suspicious pile. The vote itself was suspicious in

Trfel's meta-reads:










There are more, and there are posts made by him entirely on the topic of meta I will not post here. I am unsure as to how you may have missed them, considering what few reads Trfel has are all based of off predetermined ideas of what people should be doing. What is YOUR definition of meta, LoneMeow?

Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective.

On January 19 2015 02:35 TheWarWaffle wrote:

Absolutely. I'm leaning more towards GB than Trfel at the moment after having read both of their filters over and over again.
Trfel at least pretends to be town; GB doesn't seem to care either way. Trfel will attempt to argue his way out of an accusation; GB will either ignore it or treat it like it's something other than what it is. I will leave my vote on Trfel as of now but GlowingBear is likely my EoD lynch target as of now.

On January 19 2015 03:12 rsoultin wrote:


Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^

On January 19 2015 03:16 LoneMeow wrote:


Ah, I must've misunderstood Breshke's post. English isn't my native language. Let me rethink.

On January 19 2015 03:18 rsoultin wrote:


EBWOP:
Also, can you please explain to me what part of my case on Trfel you thought was good? The going sentiment among the vets was it was shit, so...

(I personally still think it was decent, but with so many people calling it bad xP Have to wonder why you like it.)

On January 19 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:


I've looked at GB. I can see the complaints, but I think they've been overstated.

I've looked at you and my main issue was you didn't seem to care. Trying to help me find a viable lynch would go a long way to help change that opinion.

I won't vote for JarJar or LS today. I don't like a push on Shining, either, though I'm less certain on him. WW I think is probably town or he has a weirdly aggressive scum game lol.

Getting itchy feelings about Damdred...can't pin down why.

I want to hear Geript's poe. He told me that he looks for towns when he plays instead of scum, and lynches from what's left. I'm not sure that I'm seeing that this game, tbh.

On January 19 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:
It's like he was summoned. Did you look at what you said you would, LM?

On January 20 2015 08:53 Breshke wrote:
So GB flipping town makes damdred fairly townie for what was going on with the wagons between the two.

Also rsoultin is also fairly townie for how hard she was going against trfel especially at times when she seemed to be the only one doing it.

For me that leaves two mafia within the following players given no cc's occur and trfel actually flips mafia

5) DarthPunk (filter)
6) The Shining (filter)
8) LoneMeow (filter)
10) geript (filter)

So for auto i only need one more town read and that would probably be geript for a couple reasons the biggest one being that I don't really see the scum motivation to lead the wagon off of GB (a town) onto warwaffle (another town).

So for next day phase i want to lynch one of the three remaining players and if i was to choose it would probably be LM.

I realize i could easily be wrong on any of my town reads as some of it is fairly weak reasoning so that makes this type of analysis maybe not the best but for now it is the world im living in.

On January 22 2015 08:21 Breshke wrote:
So i can't be bothered to wait for LM to respond to my last question so im just going to go on.



The bolded part gives me an impression that LM can see reason as to why i wouldn't have wanted to lynched geript or DP. This means that he must agree that they have done something townie or he is reading them town or whatever. But if you look at the reads list he just posted DP and Geript are both in his null category the same as the shining so from his PoV this doesn't make sense.

On January 22 2015 22:52 rsoultin wrote:


I'm not Breshke. But this is why I think you're scum, if I had to choose one vote in your entire filter.

The JJB one was eh, but GB looked pretty townie imo at the time you posted it, so I don't find it terribly alignment indicative, however that reads like complete contrived BS. WW AFKd a vote on GB (again not alignment indicative, and GB was a scumread for him all game) and trfel only switched to GB a good deal later. It's factually untrue and looks to be grasping at straws to justify a vote change.

On January 23 2015 08:54 jarjarbinks wrote:
This is about Trfel voting Geript at the beginning.

Do you guys think that Trfel would try to bus BOTH of his mafia bro's? I would definitely hope not. Especially right out of the gate. I could see him bussing one and maybe joining a lynchtrain on the other, but trying to kill off both your buddies seems messed up to me.

If geript turns mafia, PLEASE don't let me be mafia with Trfel lol

But anyways, what are your thoughts on this rsoultin? Think that possibly gives any towncred to geript if LM does turn scum? Definitely an if statement lol

On January 23 2015 20:40 The Shining wrote:
If you had to lynch someone that wasn't Breshke today, who would it be and why?

On January 24 2015 03:32 geript wrote:
LM, Breshke's posted a decent amount since your last post. Any further reasons you think he's scum?

On January 24 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
Geripts response is interesting. If I'm lynched take note that he never refuted anything I said about his lack of connectivity with the game. Nor does he specifically draw instances of unbellievale read changes.

my read on RS has been static, dp has been mainly unchanged besides thinking maybe he could be on a scum team but ita doubtful. Breshke has put in effort I townread shining before I misread a post then put him back as town. The main one I think would be GB who I've played with 20 times probably.

Overall this is a classic over reaction to try to get people on me.

I bring you to geripts weird read on trfel, him trying to get claims discredited during d3 and his total disconnect from the game and lack of follow up unless provoked.

while I'm playing a bad game I know scum and he is the last after lm

On January 24 2015 07:49 geript wrote:

Idk if anywhere honestly. Just weird that they leave a confirmed town around. I get the argument of who it is and they have to kill him at some point. This far into D3 they can't even CC him. Plus the GB kill as really bad. It almost gets me thinking that all the mafia team is inexperienced with dealing with endgame situations. So maybe it could be LM/Shining or similar. It feels important. I wish I knew why though.

On January 24 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote:


Lol, depends on the minute and who posted last sometimes

That's why I'm pushing LM who I'm fairly confident of. This vote should make the first day more clear, and hopefully give us new information to work with. Assuming I'm right on LM, I'm hoping to find the third scum after the vote Day 3.

Or at least fully clear 1 or 2 more of my town leans.

On January 24 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote:
A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid.

I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript.

I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team.

On January 24 2015 10:10 The Shining wrote:



Well, at least I got the who. Low hanging fruit in me, basically inactive town. ##Vote:LoneMeow I might be willing to pull off of you if you can explain what makes us more suspicious than anyone else but I've been weary of you for a while and your appearances now make it worse. Still feels like you are just looking for an easy place to drop your vote. You have no real case aside from Breshke once he scummed you(OMGUS?) and the 3 people you've scummed or been suspicious of are Bresh, Damdred, myself, all of whom have earlier posts directly questioning you and commenting on your filter. The inconsistencies pointed out in some of your posts seem hastily thrown together, not a genuine effort to look into anyone.

Had planned on posting more including responding to Bresh asking me to explain my DP town read(which is weakest of the 3, hence why its bottom) but Friday nights at work are hectic, been working on this post on my tablet for about an hour. Going to look through DP's filter for the specific posts that made me lean town on him.

But I'm here, should be in and out for the next 2-3 hours if anyone wants to bounce anything off of me.

On January 24 2015 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:
LM if you go afk right now without answering my questions or interacting ITT I will lynch you MOFO.

On January 24 2015 19:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Lonemeow.

Who do you want to lynch? Give me three reasons why with evidence to support your assertions.

Who is your largest town read that isn't confirmed town? Give me three reasons why with evidence to support your assertions.

On January 24 2015 16:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I just looked and Breshke's day one filter and it looks really bad in hindsight.

On January 24 2015 21:20 DarthPunk wrote:


Small. He is a bit weird about defending trefel. I think he says something like: "DP has a good point about trefel being town" and then Chainsaw defends him by attacking the person arguing against Trefel but like he attacks her arguments rather than say I still think trefel'/s town. To me that looks terrible.

I'll try and find the posts in his filter.





Those two posts look pretty bad in hindsight of a scum!trefel flip. Obviously he could be town and just had a solid read or agreed with my posts, but as mafia trying to defend his scum buddy getting behind a townies arguments in order to defend his scum buddy is a very realistic scenario.

there was another post that I didn;t like



He is confronted about lack of scum reads at the start and Immediately tries to deflect attention away from his own reads by starting a discussion about the questioners reads.

I find that scum are more likely to deflect attention to their positions and town are more likely to seek it.
I don't like the self-deprecation either but that is more a tone thing.

On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:
Breshke is scum.

There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options.



Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him.

The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest.

There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis.


Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel.

On January 25 2015 00:33 jarjarbinks wrote:
LM- I've never played with you. People keep claiming that your more inactive this round. Is it true? Do you have any reasons for being less active?

On January 25 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote:


This is a weird question LM. If I believed that you were town, I would not be pushing you for lynch. Assuming you're mafia, with two reds flipped it would bring a new dynamic to the Day 1 vote to evaluate, and also information from how the Day 2 vote goes, that might allow me to clear one or more of the people I'm not sure of.

And if this is a mislynch, well...that's harder. So I'm hoping it's not. The fact of the matter is that based on the Day 1 vote, your behavior is the only behavior that doesn't read townie to me at all, in the sense I can't think of reasons that make it town. You said that you didn't have the time to know when WW voted vice trfel, but you were there at EoD while all the switching was going on. I can see getting a little lost (I did -_-), but that post read so very much like "oh, good lord, there is a reason that WW could be scum, yay now I can switch without looking scummy".

I don't know how else to put it. I'm glad you're coming out now, but if you're town, it's probably too little, too late. Note the other less active players with small filters. They're in the thread making reads, asking questions, on a semi-regular basis. Your activity is more sporadic. It makes it hard for me to objectively look at you, look at them, and say hey that person is scum and LM is town.

Give me a reason to believe a player here is more likely to be scum than you.

On January 25 2015 01:33 rsoultin wrote:


I said assuming I'm right on you, LM. I'm pushing you as scum. So my statement has nothing to do with you flipping town?

On January 25 2015 01:51 rsoultin wrote:


If you're scum I expect some of the resistance to your lynch today to come from scum, with only 2 scum left. That's kind of a given. I'd be looking for people finding reasons to cast doubt on a wide net of other players in an attempt to find a counterwagon that sticks, or for their votes/reads to not be coming from a place that reads genuine, or something of that nature. It's not something I'm paying close attention to now because I don't want to start worrying about a third scum until you've flipped scum and I know I'm right. If I'm not I have to reevaluate everything.

Voting analysis cross-checked with read progressions is what I like to base my scumhunting on. It's why I'm not down for a Bresh lynch, or a Shining lynch, and why Damdred makes me eeeeehhh somewhere in the neutral range. So the voting Day 2, plus your alignment added to a second read-through of the voting Day 1.

Essentially I'm not going to be able to give you a list of names until the day is done. It's all what-if's and hypotheticals, especially when a good portion of the analysis will be based on what happens between now and EoD.

Does that make sense to you?

On January 25 2015 06:26 rsoultin wrote:


Shit reasoning for scumming Bresh day 1.
Complete disinterest in where the vote was heading day 1.
BS reason for switching to the WW wagon day 1.
General inactivity throughout the game.

get rekt xP

On January 25 2015 06:44 Damdred wrote:
Cause i'm good at reading shining by tone since I've played with him so much and I think hes town and his posts look like how constructed his posts were in the newbie game when iw as his coach

On January 25 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote:


I find Day 2 practically a vacuum with the red check on Trfel. You weren't even here for it. You've done pretty much jack all above and beyond everyone else's jack all. What you did post was mostly Day 1, and that' what I find scummy.

Another counterargument?

On January 25 2015 06:54 geript wrote:
I really don't get where all this LM rage is coming from.

On January 25 2015 06:57 DarthPunk wrote:
PLEASE BE SCUM LM!