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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 02 2014 12:27 GMT
#5
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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2014 14:14 GMT
#323
I wouldn't mind lynching slOosh. There's a distinct lack of direction in his filter, the questions seem to lack followup for the most part and he's happy talking about things that aren't related to scum hunting at all.

Also there's gems like this:
On September 04 2014 14:09 slOosh wrote:
Ok this is nonsense what's going on so I'm gonna shut it down independent of Oats' actual alignment.

Oats is posturing into a position where he is blaming people and saying that they aren't scumhunting. Realize that this itself isn't scumhunting. You tell me what Oats has done to scum hunt. Nothing. That question at this point is total bogus.

Not only that his actions are shutting down potentially good town discussion of setup. While in normal games setup talk is something scum favor because it is safe to do, this is a unique theme game, and setup talk can be very pro town. The discussion of actions, even if we don't arrive at a consensus, is a great means of developing information and reads.

Oats, now to you specifically, this game is unique theme. Don't just port over heuristics lazily and pretend you are all that. If you have specific things you want to grill me on, then go ahead, but I'm asking you to change your current approach of pointing fingers at everyone.


...which is kinda like accusing Oatsmaster without actually calling him scum.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2014 14:15 GMT
#325
Also, at the moment I have to disagree with anyone calling gobbledydook scum, I've read his recent games and the vibe I get from how he's been posting here is towny.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2014 19:32 GMT
#437
Fairly sure IAmRobik is town by now. Can't see a scum player posting so much and taking such hard stances.

I don't buy that "rayn scumslip" thing though, it's just like the read on gobbledydook - based on something that's just not really conclusive in any way.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2014 19:41 GMT
#442
On September 04 2014 16:04 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 15:55 ritoky wrote:
On September 04 2014 15:53 geript wrote:
I don't really have any solid townreads yet. It's really sad. Plus there's too many people on my too lynch list. Gun to my head Koshi; he's not as happy and fun as I usually think of him. But there's an odd towny air to him.


who, other than non-posters, is on your "too lynch list"?

Oats is like really not town oTsy to me. Ps I am the oats whisperer (sssshhhh don't tell Austin)
Gobbly I'm pretty solid on. He's really thread policy which he tends to be in his scum games. Plus he's not really paranoid and aggressive and analyzing things which is what I saw in his town games. But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there.
Yamato for funsies. But seriously if he doesn't try to add something useful.
HaruRH I get a really weird vibe from. I haven't played with him much but I got the feels from him early on.
Robik. He's done a lot of things I've seen from his mafia play. He hasn't hard called me town yet. He's been schmoozing and generally unproductive (in an unproductive way instead of in a town Robik way).


I'd like to see some slightly less vague reads. Like, can you expand on what exactly are the "lot of things I've seen from his mafia play" are in case of IAmRobik for example?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2014 19:41 GMT
#443
On September 04 2014 22:00 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 21:39 Koshi wrote:
gobbledydook, what is your read on yamato?


He's scum. He had better have a good reason to explain his posting or I'm voting the shit out of him. As I said he has the time to come into the thread to say koshi is scum without any explanation, but doesn't actually bother to do anything constructive. One can only presume he's wasting our time.


Please go check Guilty Mini Mafia - he was town. Would you agree that his play here looks somewhat similar to his early play in that? Does that affect your read on him?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 04 2014 19:50 GMT
#449
On September 05 2014 04:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 04:41 LoneMeow wrote:
On September 04 2014 22:00 gobbledydook wrote:
On September 04 2014 21:39 Koshi wrote:
gobbledydook, what is your read on yamato?


He's scum. He had better have a good reason to explain his posting or I'm voting the shit out of him. As I said he has the time to come into the thread to say koshi is scum without any explanation, but doesn't actually bother to do anything constructive. One can only presume he's wasting our time.


Please go check Guilty Mini Mafia - he was town. Would you agree that his play here looks somewhat similar to his early play in that? Does that affect your read on him?

How does his play look the same? Yamato made 2 posts saying I am scum in 24 hours.


Similar in the sense that he doesn't really give much real reasoning in that either. It's a little more verbose than this game, I'll admit that, but at least for me it gives enough doubt that I can not call him scum for the play he's displayed so far.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2014 18:37 GMT
#639
IAmRobik much town.
Very grail.

##HolyGrail: IAmRobik

On September 06 2014 02:50 IAmRobik wrote:
Guys, sloosh is town


Can you explain why? I just don't see it. Still my top scum read.

Things like this don't help:
On September 05 2014 08:03 slOosh wrote:
Hey guys do you guys see what I'm seeing?

geript makes a read on gobbley where he points out how his meta is clear cut, but then for no reason other than what I see as a backdoor to change his read he says "But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there." Because if he did the meta reads, gobbley being new or not doesn't matter. So it looks like geripts making stuff up. Am I making sense here?


Like, is he trying to call geript scum here or what?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2014 18:50 GMT
#641
On September 05 2014 20:43 Koshi wrote:
LM/HaruRH/gobble


for endgame cred.


Although I mostly disagree with your reads I could agree on HaruRH, that filter is... Disturbing. Seemingly most of the effort went to setup and optimal strategy discussion, not much else to be found.

There's also the "reads" post:
On September 05 2014 21:10 HaruRH wrote:
I thought the notebook idea sucked so i decided not to use it.
Robik still haven't convinced me he is town yet. I am waiting.
Koshi, stop lying about wanting to post lesser. You know it won't happen and it only makes people suspicious of you. Where is the 'i am the town lord' koshi? Or are you scum?
Sylencia... wtf? Souping me? Are you trying to figure out my role or have you?
Oats... i feel the singaporean from you. We both are confusing for stupid americans.
Yamato -afk lord
Geript is missing. Where is he?

I'm not interested in talk about the rest yet.
Meanwhile, i am ghostly because i am busy. But i will have sudden spikes in activity when I'm free. Start asking me questions.


Mostly just making observations of the game but not analyzing and figuring out alignments. Classic scum playstyle.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 05 2014 19:11 GMT
#647
On September 06 2014 03:44 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 03:37 LoneMeow wrote:
IAmRobik much town.
Very grail.

##HolyGrail: IAmRobik

On September 06 2014 02:50 IAmRobik wrote:
Guys, sloosh is town


Can you explain why? I just don't see it. Still my top scum read.

Things like this don't help:
On September 05 2014 08:03 slOosh wrote:
Hey guys do you guys see what I'm seeing?

geript makes a read on gobbley where he points out how his meta is clear cut, but then for no reason other than what I see as a backdoor to change his read he says "But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there." Because if he did the meta reads, gobbley being new or not doesn't matter. So it looks like geripts making stuff up. Am I making sense here?


Like, is he trying to call geript scum here or what?

I saw something suspicious about geript, but was concerned that I might be reading too much into a point. So I asked other people for their opinion. Thoughts on my Damdred read?


The biggest problem I have with that read is that you went through one post from him but didn't say anything about the rest.

How does his earlier posting look to you? I see some pretty towny things in there, I'm having trouble convincing myself a scum-Damdred would try to put suspicion on IAmRobik of all people in what little he has posted - would think it far more likely he'd go for an easier target.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 08 2014 12:27 GMT
#1057
slOosh

I read him scum earlier and not much has changed.

He asks questions but there's no followup.

First says he feels better about raynpelikoneet (who he never really called scum anyway):
On September 06 2014 02:45 slOosh wrote:
I feel better about rayn after his most recent slew of posts, particularly the setup one, because it's the same plan I thought up of to myself, and I'm less inclined to think scum rayn would freely give up that info because it's dubious if town would have figured it out.


Then once Damdred makes his case on raynpelikoneet, he's suddenly up to lynching raynpelikoneet:
On September 07 2014 04:07 slOosh wrote:
Oh baby Robik just attained "I would matryr for him if I was matryr" status.
But I'd do Damdred , Rayn , geript , LoneMeow / Koshi / Oats.

I can get on the rayn lynch. His fixation on Sylencia and gobbley the whole game is basically persuing easy mislynches, and when gobbley claims he can't go after that so it's back to Sylencia. He doesn't mention anything about Damdred really, but finds it relevant to soft defend him
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So gobble damdred is mafia because he is calling sloosh scum an not defending himself instead..... god what the hell?

Side note: Damdred never actually calls me scum after all this. He complains about all this stuff I'm doing, but never actually calls me scum. But in anycase, he is soft defending Damdred here without commenting on him.

Are we going for the big plays?


Not a towny thought progression.

##DeadlineVote: slOosh
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 08 2014 12:34 GMT
#1058
Damdred

Was leaning town on him earlier for his early game suspicion of IAmRobik at a stage where I don't see scum doing that.

The way he's all defensive but not producing many reads when the pressure is on him is suspicious, but the case on raynpelikoneet shows clear effort. Except for the fact that he then pretty much says he didn't actually do a proper meta comparison and upon checking better retracts the case.

Verdict: Leaning scum. Most likely not scum if slOosh is, though.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 08 2014 12:42 GMT
#1060
raynpelikoneet

While I'd agree he's not playing as he usually does, I don't see that being alignment indicative.

I don't have a solid read on him but I do like this post for him being town:
On September 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the problem with this game is the following.
there were four people who were considered (usually) town leaders. me koshi geript and yamato.
geript people do not trust on anyways, no matter what he says.
i was not around for the most of the time.
koshi didn't do shit - i think he could have even be scum based purely on that.
yamato didn't get anything done.

That leaves Koshi and yamato. I think there is one mafia between them because i am conflicted about the fact that the d1 was shit. yes it really was shit. you guys couldnt even get a fucking lynch done without me and thats terrible. however yamato looks town so id put my bets on koshi being mafia.


In fact the point about Koshi is a very good one and I think Koshi was a decent lynch.

So I'll say leaning town. A little.

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 08 2014 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also in 36h starts my vacation and then i'll play.

He'd never say this as scum - is what I'd want to believe.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2014 06:54 GMT
#1226
On September 09 2014 12:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2014 21:42 LoneMeow wrote:
raynpelikoneet

While I'd agree he's not playing as he usually does, I don't see that being alignment indicative.

I don't have a solid read on him but I do like this post for him being town:
On September 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the problem with this game is the following.
there were four people who were considered (usually) town leaders. me koshi geript and yamato.
geript people do not trust on anyways, no matter what he says.
i was not around for the most of the time.
koshi didn't do shit - i think he could have even be scum based purely on that.
yamato didn't get anything done.

That leaves Koshi and yamato. I think there is one mafia between them because i am conflicted about the fact that the d1 was shit. yes it really was shit. you guys couldnt even get a fucking lynch done without me and thats terrible. however yamato looks town so id put my bets on koshi being mafia.


In fact the point about Koshi is a very good one and I think Koshi was a decent lynch.

So I'll say leaning town. A little.

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 08 2014 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also in 36h starts my vacation and then i'll play.

He'd never say this as scum - is what I'd want to believe.

LoneMeow why did you make this post?


Because you were one of the focal points for D1. I thought it would be useful if I commented you since you were the leading wagon.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2014 06:56 GMT
#1227
On September 09 2014 05:19 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2014 21:27 LoneMeow wrote:
slOosh

I read him scum earlier and not much has changed.

He asks questions but there's no followup.

First says he feels better about raynpelikoneet (who he never really called scum anyway):
On September 06 2014 02:45 slOosh wrote:
I feel better about rayn after his most recent slew of posts, particularly the setup one, because it's the same plan I thought up of to myself, and I'm less inclined to think scum rayn would freely give up that info because it's dubious if town would have figured it out.


Then once Damdred makes his case on raynpelikoneet, he's suddenly up to lynching raynpelikoneet:
On September 07 2014 04:07 slOosh wrote:
Oh baby Robik just attained "I would matryr for him if I was matryr" status.
But I'd do Damdred , Rayn , geript , LoneMeow / Koshi / Oats.

I can get on the rayn lynch. His fixation on Sylencia and gobbley the whole game is basically persuing easy mislynches, and when gobbley claims he can't go after that so it's back to Sylencia. He doesn't mention anything about Damdred really, but finds it relevant to soft defend him
On September 06 2014 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So gobble damdred is mafia because he is calling sloosh scum an not defending himself instead..... god what the hell?

Side note: Damdred never actually calls me scum after all this. He complains about all this stuff I'm doing, but never actually calls me scum. But in anycase, he is soft defending Damdred here without commenting on him.

Are we going for the big plays?


Not a towny thought progression.

##DeadlineVote: slOosh

Why is it a scummy progression? I considered the possibility of both being scum and so considered the rayn lynch, going off of yamato's confidence and seeing Damdred trying to pull off a weak bus. Which it very well could still be seeing as how he totally reneged on it last night.


It's really opportunistic. You hardly mention him until someone starts pushing for his lynch, then you're all up for it.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2014 07:00 GMT
#1230
On September 08 2014 11:22 Damdred wrote:
I was halfway expecting to die during the night from the judge, which I am thankful of tonight.

Geript why do you want haru dead so much? Just because he was useless day 1? Meta wise generally town haru usually shines day 2 and onward so i'd want to see what he can do some today.


On September 09 2014 05:22 Damdred wrote:
Honestly sloosh you are my top scum read right now, and maybe haru. I was moving towards ger but i read his filter and parts of it seem pretty towny.


What changed to make you think HaruRH is scum after softly defending him earlier?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2014 07:09 GMT
#1233
On September 09 2014 15:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 15:54 LoneMeow wrote:
On September 09 2014 12:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 08 2014 21:42 LoneMeow wrote:
raynpelikoneet

While I'd agree he's not playing as he usually does, I don't see that being alignment indicative.

I don't have a solid read on him but I do like this post for him being town:
On September 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the problem with this game is the following.
there were four people who were considered (usually) town leaders. me koshi geript and yamato.
geript people do not trust on anyways, no matter what he says.
i was not around for the most of the time.
koshi didn't do shit - i think he could have even be scum based purely on that.
yamato didn't get anything done.

That leaves Koshi and yamato. I think there is one mafia between them because i am conflicted about the fact that the d1 was shit. yes it really was shit. you guys couldnt even get a fucking lynch done without me and thats terrible. however yamato looks town so id put my bets on koshi being mafia.


In fact the point about Koshi is a very good one and I think Koshi was a decent lynch.

So I'll say leaning town. A little.

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 08 2014 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also in 36h starts my vacation and then i'll play.

He'd never say this as scum - is what I'd want to believe.

LoneMeow why did you make this post?


Because you were one of the focal points for D1. I thought it would be useful if I commented you since you were the leading wagon.

But i am not the leading wagon on D2. You should have said what you have on D1 when it was relevant. You didn't even comment on me in any meaningful way on D1 when it actually WAS relevant, and now when it isn't you do. And i do wanna know why you think it's relevant now?

Also what's your take on Sloosh and Sylencia?


You're right that I should've said it on D1, unfortunately that was not possible. Make whatever you want of that.

My take on slOosh has not changed, he's still my top scum read.

Sylencia is quite scummy, especially for calling slOosh scum but not doing anything about it. All the while pushing geript who doesn't seem likely to get lynched right now.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2014 10:50 GMT
#1256
On September 09 2014 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LoneMeow let's say we lynch Damdred today. Do we lynch Sloosh the next day?


In a normal game it would depend on what Damdred flips, but since this is no-flip game I think it depends on how he plays the next day.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 09 2014 11:03 GMT
#1258
On September 09 2014 16:28 Sylencia wrote:
LM: Voting for the person I find my personal top scum read especially early on the day is in no way scummy - sloosh is 2nd on my list but I've been saying it since yesterday that I find geript to be the most scummy. If sloosh is worse in other's eyes and people want him dead, naturally I'm willing to switch.


The problem is that you haven't really done anything about it. No case on him, no questioning him, nothing.

The only time you've talked about him in any detail was here:
On September 06 2014 14:51 Sylencia wrote:
But I don't think we have a choice to see what happens after N1 :\

Anyways, Damdred may be lurky this game but the majority of his posts have been actual soft pushes and questioning of people's motives. No one ever follows up on it though, and it'd actually make it hard to get a good back and forth showing whether or not he's town. Following from that, sloosh is avoiding the majority of Damdred's replies and painting a picture of how we should be viewing Damdred - someone who lurks under the radar and doesn't have anything to show. I mean, the part with nothing to show can easily be fixed Damdred, who are your top 3 scum reads and why but my activity would be so low if I was getting ignored like Damdred was. I'm not one to want to lynch him today.

Geript: He gave his opinions about a day and a half ago(?), most of which were meta cases to show who he thought was scum. Ever since then everything he's posted has been rather wishy washy and never actually pushes for anyone being scum. Instead, all you'll see are town reads which is mostly fine, but there's more than 1 scum, and sitting on gobbly as the only scum read is pretty poor.

My top 3 scum reads: Sloosh, geript and goobly. I like the association between the 3, but meh.

Goobly because I like to think I had already figured out who the martyr was, but I mean, that claim I feel is pretty horrible anyways.


So can you run me through what he's done since then, does that look scummy or towny and why.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
September 10 2014 21:57 GMT
#1588
Ah, made it before the deadlne.

My previous scum read on slOosh was almost certainly incorrect; he looks very town for the last 24 hours or so. Participating actively and trying to solve the game.

I'm not lynching geript.

I don't really have a strong read on Oatsmaster either way but by process of elimination there's a good chance he's scum so I'll follow my town reads on him.

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