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Well if he hasn't sent you nude pics of himself yet, then why are we talking? You think I'd share that pot of gold? What do you think I'm crazy or something? | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote: ##Vote geript On January 17 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote: I come out guns blazing, with fireworks and cannon fire, and meet silence...... Guess maybe I'll go do something else and wait for you guys to catch up XD I want to talk about this post more because I think it's more telling about DP than it is of Trfel because of DP's read on Trfel here + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?page=8#150 + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. I actually really like this post. There's a bit of condescending tone towards DP in it. It's much like smacking a snake. I don't think it's a worthwhile post, but it's also a post that I don't think LS could make as mafia. The "freeness" to speak his mind feels exceptionally towny to me. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote: Also we seem to lacking a female atm and I would like to speak to her now  And less towny. In the newbie game, I don't really remember LS ever not feeling comfortable to post whatever the fuck he wanted. That said, he already has a 1 page filter (effectively) so I think I'll probably just stick with the townread for now. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back. LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before? GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. Reread Trfel + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote: What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games. Thus, BS meter. She's had 1-2 posts so far but I like rsoultin for town already. I think this is both a good read and interesting as it accurately summarizes why I was a bit caught off guard by Trfel's entrance. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:41 LightningStrike wrote: I'm not scum and I just found the conversation between you and GB a little bit odd but it because I never played with both of you together in a single game (first time playing with you DP), I probably shouldn't read into this as much as I am. But how I think of LS (as a WoS clone), I don't think that he could actually post this as mafia. Call me a sucker if you like, but I'm just going to paint LS green for today unless I see something really eye-popping. There's also a way in which LS stands his ground on this feels very towny and confident. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:45 jarjarbinks wrote: WHAT THE HECK?! This game is WAY more exciting than my last game! I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers? This post is exceptionally odd. JJB has had a number of odd voting statistic crap in the newbie game I coached/analyzed. While he's generally on the more inactive side of things, I actually find this post quite odd as currently it's his only post and hasn't really done anything with it. JJB has also struck me as more of a player who's more likely to flounder between doing things. So it actually seems pretty odd between being a "numbers guy" and less direction oriented that he'd suggest a no lynch and do nothing to push it. Sidenote: On January 17 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote: Scum: JarJarBinks: For being a numbers type of guy in the newbie game and him asking for a No Lynch pretty much him claiming scum. I like that LS brought this up. I'll keep LS green for now. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:59 Trfel wrote: I explained it already. I feel that geript is purposefully handicapping himself. Yes, his decision to use 10 posts per day was made before the game began, therefore before he knew his alignment. That doesn't matter though, since if he really is going to handicap himself, he deserves to get lynched for it. If he either stops using this self-imposed restriction or proves that he can play successfully using it, great for him. I generally try to be careful with calling people scum, that is true. But voting someone and calling them scum are very different things. Votes can be done in jest or for a wide variety of reasons, surely I don't need to provide examples for you. This post comes across as intentionally stubborn. That's something I tend to associate more with mafia than town. Additionally, Trfel is a player who in the newbie game I could read quite easily based on the quality of his posts quite early on. On opening his filter, he's actually asked more questions than he has given quality opinions. For a higher content poster, that's actually rather surprising and telling imo that he hasn't made 1 good post that in any way makes me think he's actually town. Trfel is probably a very good lynch. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 12:50 DarthPunk wrote: It was pretty obviously a policy thing at the start of the game. What kind of reasons do you expect somebody to have about 1 min in to the game? Like they are always gonna be poor or arbitrary. He was pretty clear trying to get the ball rolling. Townie Points for a Townie Action. Less trusting of DP. I don't like how the reason for townreading Trfel feels like changes here. In looking at his filter, I'm less sure it actually changes. Best place to put this right now is between the townread on Trfel and the seeming change, if Trfel flips mafia, then DP is significantly more likely to be mafia. I still don't want to lynch him thought because of this post: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 07:54 DarthPunk wrote: I have no idea how you can ask me what my thoughts were and then backflip from disagreeing? to agreeing with them. How many games have you played if you do not mind me asking? Town: Rsoultin LightningStrike Don't Lynch for now: Darth Punk Null: Breshke Damdred Glowingbear LoneMeow TheWarWaffle CoolTLname TheShining Good Lynches: Jarjarbinks Trfel Questions I need answers to: 1. @DP. Did you come into this game with any preconceived notions, views or reputation on Trfel? 2. @DP. Do you disagree with any of the reads I've made so far and why? 3. @Trfel. Which, if any, of my reads do you disagree with and why? Additionally, are there any players or points that you think I've noticeably missed in my analysis? 4. @Damdred. Explain the reasons for your 3 scum reads. Especially the LS read. 5. @GB. Explain why you think Trfel is obviously town at this point specifically + Show Spoiler + 6. @Shining. Where you at boo? 7. @JJB. What are your reads as of right now and why? #1 | ||
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Last and most important point: you can call me Geript, getmoript, gayripped, supercoolasdudewiththebigdick. Under no circumstances am I to be called gereipt. | ||
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Newbies. Stop using meta. Seriously stop. 1 game, 3 games, 5 games. That's not enough to really get a good meta read on someone. I know it feels cool and sounds cool. But to appropriately use meta there are numerous factors in each game that you actually need to account for in order to generate a good meta read on someone. Things like how much pressure a player is under, experience level, amount of vet influence, scum activity level, player ability to be active, etc. There's too many things to factor in. Stop. Play at least 20 games before you start using meta. It looks all nice and shiny, but coming from someone who uses definitely overuses meta to my own detriment, stop. Unless you're interested in reading a minimum of 5 games of a player (both the thread AND the player's filter) and analyze how it relates to this game, then don't waste my time. If you have a point from another game that you've played in that you feel is relevant to this game, by all means then bring up that point as best you can in this game. But stop trying to meta players as it will only hurt you. | ||
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GlowingBear has the following townreads: Trfel, DP, Rsoultin (all three during drunk phase), Damdred, and Warwaffle. Of these, the only one that's been reasonably explained is the WarWaffle read here + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 07:53 GlowingBear wrote: He is going against two vocal players, which is kinda a suicidal move for mafia to do. The only motive he has to do this is if his partners are in danger and he wants to push a mislynch. Which I doubt is the case. On January 18 2015 06:00 GlowingBear wrote: He is my pupil and he isn't doing what I'm expecting. I know he was in some RL trouble recently but since he confirmed, his total lurkage is odd. And I am going to lynch scummy lurkers day1. I hope you guys all have this in mind + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 03:45 jarjarbinks wrote: Yep current list. Not scumming Cool for lurking. More scumming him for leaving me so fast. Seems to be going after the easy target. I did leave out Waffle. He would also be on null. JJB you need to explain your thought process for the scumread on Cool here. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 22:27 GlowingBear wrote: I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because: (1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion. (2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread. Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less. Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred. I don't hate point 1 here in that saying the game is exciting, proposing something and leaving is odd. That said, the analysis in #2 is actually quite bad. If you look at the post from a "This game looks fun. Let's try X new strategy." The post actually makes more sense. Especially coming from a someone who's coached newb, he should understand and know that general mafia meta on a number of sites is pretty widespread. In some places, no lynching is (idiotically) considered correct strategy for D1. Also, he scums JJB for entering a new thought into the thread instead of following current discussion which any vet should know isn't alignment indicative and especially non-alignment indicative on D1. GB looks to be a pretty good lynch. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote: Thres really not much to go on in his filter, just a weird pressure question to JarJar and then dropping all pressure a moment later. Really shallow seemed a bit fake, i'm not making associative reads currently before a flip. But JarJar answered him and cool didn't follow up with him at all just picked another random post that he liked and dropped it immediately. I think tlcool is the scum here ##Vote TL Cool Name I really like this read. It's clearly wrong, but I like it. That said, me liking Damdred for being town generally means he's mafia. That said, I also liked Damdred's followup on Cool later on. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote: If I had to sum it up in one word: Trfel-centric. His filter appears to be a light push on Trfel for Trfel's entrance post, town-reading him, convincing others to, and pressuring anyone who doesn't. I can post quotes as evidence, but as he has a 1-page filter it's pretty self-evident right now. (Oh, I forgot to mention trolling GB. Probably because that is just fluff anyway xP) Also, JarJar, I know you said after the game, but your posts just now established your innocence enough for me to not want to lynch you Day 1, so I think you're doing better than you realize.  We can talk more after the game.@DP...do you have any reads on anything/anyone else? You asked me for mine...quid pro quo bro. Mental Note for later + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote: Town: Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all. On January 18 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote: I disagree for now, I need to see his posting a bit more. His postings are vastly different from the previous games. I'll have to relook at your read to see where I am on it. I removed the irrelevant bits of Damdred's first post. That said, one thing that struck me as rather odd about Damdred is that he's actively noticing that Trfel appears to be playing differently from previous games (where as far as I know Trfel has only played town), but is giving Trfel a town read despite that. It really bugs me. General mafia logic tends to dictate that playing differently equals a change in alignment. It's even more odd that Damdred wants more discussion about my post, but hasn't really evaluated his read with my read. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 03:27 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure exactly that you are paying attention Jarjar, or actually are reading. And that's a problem. I say easy game this is scum team x. Reaction test here are my reads. I explain LS read and you ask why I flip flopped on it O_o. This is actually my hesitation on JJB specifically. I'm not sure he's reading critically, paying attention or thinking. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 03:45 jarjarbinks wrote: Yep current list. Not scumming Cool for lurking. More scumming him for leaving me so fast. Seems to be going after the easy target. I did leave out Waffle. He would also be on null. I'm going to comment on this post specifically more later. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 03:56 rsoultin wrote: Interesting. I don't dislike your play so far...but that response is interesting. Can anyone else point out why it raises concerns? What's your thought process here? It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 05:14 TheWarWaffle wrote: Don't worry about my phone.... It's not like you don't post more than enough for both of us anyway... I actually really like this post. It's quite jovial and it's not a response I'd in any way expect from a newbie mafia. I remember having a good reason to read WW as town otherwise, but it's a good reason to not lynch him D1. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent. I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever). With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Holy shit post. A few things in specific that I want to draw out: On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. Coming from a reasonably logical player, follow the logic here: 1. GB has provided a number of overall reads 2. GB has given no reasons for those reads 3. GB's Breshke post is a direct continuation of #2 4. GB is not a good D1 lynch WTF????? Point 1 does not lead to Point 4 in any sort of way or means. Points 2 and 3 tend to lead to the exact opposite of Point 4. On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Second, I find the underlined to be exceptionally odd. DP picks up on something that Trfel picked up on; Trfel had the exact same feeling about it. Yet DP's alignment is completely null. Maybe I'm overestimating Trfel's ability here. The normal reaction to someone picking up on the exact same thing you are and feeling the exact same way you are about it 99% of the time leads to a same alignment read. For example, X player is reading the game the exact same way I am. I am town. Therefore X player is likely to be town. is pretty standard and generally quite good reasoning for reading a player. Yet, Trfel's path leads him to try and find completely different reasons for reading DP. That's really weird. All that said, one shining star in this post is Trfel's approach to rsoultin and JJB. I actually really like it. I still think that Trfel has a decent chance of flipping mafia, but I don't think I want to lynch him on D1 for this. This isn't an approach that I think would be natural for mafia to make even for a player who I think is decent like Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, damdred looks town. I don't think he would be this inquisitive against Trfel. I'm going to look into this more specifically in my next post, but one of the things that struck me as I read this is that I don't think that Damdred has actually posted much of anything I would consider terribly alignment indicative. His previous "suspicion" of Damdred comes literally alongside the coolTLname push. I don't see why that specifically would affect his read on Damdred. Looking back from 14-18, I can maybe see why GB gets that read, but it still looks rather easy. The "inquisitive against Trfel" line is complete bullshit though and is an awful reason to townread Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:54 TheWarWaffle wrote: For my top 3 of mafia: GlowingBear, Trfel, and possibly one of the lurkers. I think that the parallels between both GB and Trfel's beginning posts (both post something considered controversial by others; both posts are later deemed unsatisfactory for either alignment; both can bow rest easy that they were both in the spotlight early, something that Mafia almost certainly wan to avoid... But if done right, can cement 2 mafia members as town for the rest of the game... Unless they can prove otherwise, of course. Not enough information: Breshke, LoneMeow, and The Shining have not posted enough to determine alignment as of my current read-through. Anyone who suggests otherwise is denying that they are policy lynches... Something not recommended for day 1. Town leaning: rsoultin, jarjarbinks, geript, DarthPunk, and Damdred. These people have either asked questions that needed to be asked, acted similarly to other games where they were town, or have otherwise contributed to the discussion without posting a dead-end theory. Special: LightningStrike. No idea. Not even going to bother. I'm going to wait on a more clear read on WW until I get a more full set of data to read him from. I like his reads, but I don't really in any way understand his viewpoint. There's no "ah ha" moment that I had when reading him from the newbie game. I don't want to lynch him on D1, but I'm less sure of that considering how disjointed his reads on Trfel and GB are from my perception of the thread. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote: My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows: The Shining: Town The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence. Half the Sky: Town HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time. rsoultin: Suspicious The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum. jarjarbinks: Light Town Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon. Trfel: Unknown As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman. Gumdrop: Town Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information. Silverarte: Possible Mafia The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so... ExO_: Light Town My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative. -Celestial-: Town -Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information. LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him. Tubesock: Mafia After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so. Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. I don't like that Trfel's calling himself and GB essentially towny here, but I do like that he's picking up on a similar thing that I was with WW. Maybe I've just been a bit confirmation biased about Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote: I think that Damdred's action makes the most sense as a test. Damdred knows that he wouldn't be able to catch the three scum so early in the game, especially since one of them hadn't posted yet. He's a better player than that, we knows it, and he knows that we know it. I find it really hard to not scream SCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIP. Please try to keep your post in context. I understand what you're saying here (regarding Damdred initial 3 scumreads) but please dear god don't post a phrase like "especially since on of [scum member] hadn't posted yet." + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 09:17 LightningStrike wrote: Guys since the other game just ended + Show Spoiler + In a town lost when I the vig T_T Okay first off he been extremely lurky this game and doesn't seem interested in looking for scum plus when he is town he usually try to lead the town and he not which is a trait he has scum as seen in both of these games when he was scum Scum Game 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=breshke Scum Game 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=Breshke Now aside from in real life stuff going on for him, the posts he made are quite similar to how he posted in both these games that I linked to and these were his only scum games I played with him being scum I going to have say he got to be scum and funny enough he rolled 3 times a row with me being in the same game! ##Vote: Breshke Eager Beaver award. This guy shouldn't be lynched. This guy just feels too excited to get this idea out and I don't really seeing that coming from mafia. Still though. Bad puppy, no meta for you. Go pee outside. If we lynch Breshke, it will be because there's nothing to read him off of. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 10:00 rsoultin wrote: Damn, Shining, lol. You're not my lynch for today. I don't know how much I actually believe in scum slips, though I have seen ritoky commit one, but this is an angle I hadn't thought of with JarJar. You're right that only scum would know if doc/cop was the setup. :/ Say what? Why do you think Shining is town (or in the least not worthy of being lynched) for that post? Town: Rsoultin LightningStrike Don't Lynch for now: Darth Punk Damdred TheWarWaffle Trfel Null: Breshke LoneMeow CoolTLname TheShining Good Lynches: Jarjarbinks Trfel GlowingBear Things that need to be done: 1. @GB. Stubstaniate and explain your shit. All of it. Now. 2. @JJB. 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On January 18 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: Shining is in town pile, I feel like I missed questions directed at me so i'm going to look back and find some of them when I can and answer them. Game looks kinda difficult to find scum right now. I've read his posts three time now. I'm not seeing it. Mind sharing with the class. I don't really remember every thinking Shining was a good lynch in the newbie game, but I'm not seeing that here. | ||
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On January 18 2015 12:49 Damdred wrote: JarJar after looking at his filter. Tr might be a good lynch after thinking more I really hate those long posts that are not really hard stances and no scum reads. What do you think of the point of Trfel's approach towards JJB/rsoultin? There was that and another point that made me think he might not be a good lynch for D1. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote: Sorry for being inactive liek all of this phase shouldnt happen again TOWN Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it. LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town. Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive. TOWN LEAN DP : Good posts early on trefel and LS. Also i feel its towny that he gives zero fucks about peoples opinions even though it probaly not the mindset to have. Assume he could do this as either alignment though but still wouldn't lynch today. Most of everyone is null or i can remember what they have done mostly because im fairly disconnected from the game because catching up isn't the same as being here when stuff happens. @GB Do you have any scumreads? Pushing lurkers is good and all because people need to post so we can find scum but I expect more. Also I had rsoultin as scum early but more recent posts seem to be more inquisitive and useful instead of asking dead end questions. This post strikes me as really towny. There's something both very wrong (incorrect) and new towny to me in the logic behind the Trfel read. Like I don't like him calling Trfel town for that, but it really made me stop and scratch my head and think about it for a bit. A lot like WW's read on HtS I think last game. On January 18 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote: Regarding Shining, it was mostly just because he mentioned the point on JJB possibly knowing the setup this game (which only scum could) and that's a point I hadn't noticed before. I also didn't see anything in his analysis that jumped out at me as god-awful (something I try not to scumread people for anyway after Carol and the shitfest with SL and GB and all their present chatter). Nothing scummy on Damdred from that post. It was a half-trap that I realized halfway in wasn't a good trap lol cause we can still see players' filters. (Eden's filter was linked to Trfel's on page 1.) Damdred I'm reserving judgment on presently, if you're curious. Part of it is how little I'm generally agreeing with him, and part of it is his "reaction test" I didn't think was very good, personally. But he wouldn't be the first townie I disagreed with. I kinda glossed out of the post by that point. It's an interesting thing to pick up on, but that actually makes me feel like Shining is more likely to be mafia because of that. In my experience, mafia are more likely to jump on things like that and keep the "mafia know the setup" in the forefronts of their mind because they know the setup and just sort of think that town will be all up in arms about stupid shit like that. So picking on lynchbait for bad reasons doesn't really get me all hard. That said, I remember him being a bit more nitpicky/perceptive from the newbie game. So I'm not sure it actually means anything. @Damdred. On the JJB post I highlighted. Yes/No answers only please. Do you find that post odd at all? | ||
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I've explained my LS read; it's not irreversible, but I've found I generally real newbies quite well. I do agree that a bunch of people have been reading LS town for poor reasons, but I'm not quite sure if that's because he's mafia or if everyone's too pussyfoot to disagree with me. Can we talk about JJB while we're both around though? | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:21 DarthPunk wrote: It's a newbie game in which all the newbies are trying to use meta. Kinda cute actually. What do you think about: The case Rsultin just posted. Breshkes post about Jar Jar Damdred making shitty excuses about being too lazy to read a 2 page filter. Lightning not actually doing anything aside from talking meta. Rsoultin case, I've only skimmed it but what I saw of it made me go "meh" I don't remember Breshke's post on JJB off the top of my head. Don't ask me about damdred. I've only correctly read him twice as town. Once he was town and once he was mafia. I always find it weird. It's odd that he hadn't read your filter but I don't actually find it that odd in general. I haven't really read your filter nor do I ever intend to this game unless there's something you said that I want to think about. On LS, I'd take a look at my review of the Newbie Game. I highlight some of his posts. Early on I found him hard to read. But think of like Wave of Shadow when you're reading him. I think that's the right one. The two really remind me of each other a lot. Really try hard, but no real clue as to what to do. | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:23 DarthPunk wrote: IM assuming its the do not lynch cause you wrote that. On Trfel, I don't want to lynch him today. Like there's highs and lows in his filter for me. I think it's like 35-50% mafia flip, but there are lots of things that kinda steer me away from him or in the least make me think he could be town. | ||
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On January 18 2015 03:45 jarjarbinks wrote: Yep current list. Not scumming Cool for lurking. More scumming him for leaving me so fast. Seems to be going after the easy target. I did leave out Waffle. He would also be on null. This is the thing that really bugged me about JJB, more than alot of the other little stuff that's been brought up. I'm not seeing how a towny could scum somebody for "leaving a [townie] lynchwagon so fast." Like to me, what Cool said wasn't cool and was pretty sarcastic and mean. I'm not sure if he meant any of it honestly. It's not OMGUS, it's like "Oh you should be scumreading but you left it so fast when you should be scumreading me." It's basically saying Cool is mafia for unvoting JJB, but that doesn't make any sort of sense unless JJB actually is mafia. | ||
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On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote: Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote: I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy DP were you talking about this post? It doesn't really resonate with me but I can understand how a towny coudl think this way. | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote: Eh. That seems like a stretch in the way that you are assuming JJB can be rational to a degree far beyond that which he has displayed being capable of in the thread. If you know what I mean. It does and it doesn't for me. Like early on as scum I've played that card; more importantly, I know that Slam has made a similar argument (as mafia) in video mafia. I whole heartedly agree that this guy is Slam-light, same great taste but half the calories. It's just that I can't quite get a fix on how to read him as I do Slam (still a perfect Slam read btw, and Marv for gloatsies). | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:43 rsoultin wrote: Devil's advocate time. Or maybe just protective big sister time. He was parroting Damdred there. Whether you think the parroting is scummy or not is up to you, but it's a little obvious where he got that from. Just saying: Ain't no place for pullups in this game missy. You shit your pants you're one one that has to sit in it until your parents come pick you up. | ||
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On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote: Sorry for being inactive liek all of this phase shouldnt happen again TOWN Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it. LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town. Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive. TOWN LEAN DP : Good posts early on trefel and LS. Also i feel its towny that he gives zero fucks about peoples opinions even though it probaly not the mindset to have. Assume he could do this as either alignment though but still wouldn't lynch today. Most of everyone is null or i can remember what they have done mostly because im fairly disconnected from the game because catching up isn't the same as being here when stuff happens. @GB Do you have any scumreads? Pushing lurkers is good and all because people need to post so we can find scum but I expect more. Also I had rsoultin as scum early but more recent posts seem to be more inquisitive and useful instead of asking dead end questions. This was the post I really like Breshke being town for. It's like newb town heaven in my experience. I think I've only been wrong once when I've called someone newb town (Koshi in nuclear iirc). The reasons for the Trfel read feel exceptionally towny to me and I don't mind the rest of it. Was tehre something specific about Breshke you were thinking about or wanted to talk about? | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:54 rsoultin wrote: I can almost 90% guarantee that if y'all pull a dumbass move as vets and vote my noob brother for playing bad...he will flip town and you will be eating crow. First, he's playing better than he did last game, which you should know, geript. And secondly, I have actually known this kid since he was in diapers. Forgive me if I believe I can read him better than you.  If he were slam or marv, I'd likely defer to your judgment.Mr. Please take your panties and unwad them. It's a joke. It's clearly meant as a joke. I'm sorry if it came across is any means other than a sarcastic quip. As to you reading him better than me, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. As for playing better than last game, idk about that. That said, I still want you to tell me what you know about him as a person. Just whatever random factoids that you think of when you think of your lil bro. | ||
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