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On January 22 2015 07:32 Breshke wrote:So its true that i havn't properly analysed the shining but not from lack of trying. I actually find his filter hard to read and i don't actually know why. I do think his interaction with GB was townie though wanting his question answered as pushing it because it shows to me he wanted information. So i actually have him as a town lean. This leads me to think my PoE was shiter than i thought it was. Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:Breshke is scum. There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options. On January 20 2015 08:53 Breshke wrote:
So GB flipping town makes damdred fairly townie for what was going on with the wagons between the two.
Also rsoultin is also fairly townie for how hard she was going against trfel especially at times when she seemed to be the only one doing it.
For me that leaves two mafia within the following players given no cc's occur and trfel actually flips mafia
5) DarthPunk (filter)
6) The Shining (filter)
8) LoneMeow (filter)
10) geript (filter)
So for auto i only need one more town read and that would probably be geript for a couple reasons the biggest one being that I don't really see the scum motivation to lead the wagon off of GB (a town) onto warwaffle (another town).
So for next day phase i want to lynch one of the three remaining players and if i was to choose it would probably be LM.
I realize i could easily be wrong on any of my town reads as some of it is fairly weak reasoning so that makes this type of analysis maybe not the best but for now it is the world im living in. Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him. The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest. There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis. Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel. LM could you explain the bolded to me?
I know you said you don't know exactly why his filter/posts are hard to read, but could you try to put it into words for me, Bresh? I ask because for whatever reason he keeps...slipping my notice. If that makes any sense. Usually something stands out to me, and I'll engage with that person, but by and large Shining has not engendered that response.
Maybe if you can articulate it I can figure out why that keeps happening lol.
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On January 22 2015 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:
God I hate days like yesterday
Eh, I was lazy :/ I'll admit. Have you had a chance to go back through the game, bring anything new to the table?
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On January 22 2015 10:05 geript wrote:
Yah, they're pretty awful all around.
Mind walking me through your thought process EoD Day 1?
You said you didn't see GB/JJB/LM as a scum team, then dropped all of them and pursued WW. I'm curious what in particular brought him to mind. You seemed pretty sold on it at the time.
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On January 22 2015 10:35 geript wrote:
I've literally covered that. I started not liking a GB lynch so I was looking for who the prefered lynch was. So I read a bunch of filters to see who I thought could be town or not. WW stuck out to me as odd and likely mafia.
Half-covered it, to be honest.
Who else did you read? Like, it's obvious you got cold feet on GB and you didn't think the remaining were a scum team...just not sure how you got from that to WW specifically. The static reads thing makes sense, but his reads weren't amazing last game, either. The curse of the newbie ^^
Did it have something to do with Trfel's post on WW that had you reading Trfel as possibly town?
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On January 22 2015 10:36 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 10:23 rsoultin wrote:On January 22 2015 07:32 Breshke wrote:So its true that i havn't properly analysed the shining but not from lack of trying. I actually find his filter hard to read and i don't actually know why. I do think his interaction with GB was townie though wanting his question answered as pushing it because it shows to me he wanted information. So i actually have him as a town lean. This leads me to think my PoE was shiter than i thought it was. On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:Breshke is scum. There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options. On January 20 2015 08:53 Breshke wrote:
So GB flipping town makes damdred fairly townie for what was going on with the wagons between the two.
Also rsoultin is also fairly townie for how hard she was going against trfel especially at times when she seemed to be the only one doing it.
For me that leaves two mafia within the following players given no cc's occur and trfel actually flips mafia
5) DarthPunk (filter)
6) The Shining (filter)
8) LoneMeow (filter)
10) geript (filter)
So for auto i only need one more town read and that would probably be geript for a couple reasons the biggest one being that I don't really see the scum motivation to lead the wagon off of GB (a town) onto warwaffle (another town).
So for next day phase i want to lynch one of the three remaining players and if i was to choose it would probably be LM.
I realize i could easily be wrong on any of my town reads as some of it is fairly weak reasoning so that makes this type of analysis maybe not the best but for now it is the world im living in. Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him. The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest. There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis. Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel. LM could you explain the bolded to me? I know you said you don't know exactly why his filter/posts are hard to read, but could you try to put it into words for me, Bresh? I ask because for whatever reason he keeps...slipping my notice. If that makes any sense. Usually something stands out to me, and I'll engage with that person, but by and large Shining has not engendered that response. Maybe if you can articulate it I can figure out why that keeps happening lol. ehh, the posts feel kind of robotic too me but thats not alignment indicative. I also think more words are used than are encessary if that makes sense like I believe he could be more to the point as well. I also find that he says a lot of "good" things but nothing really controversial (this is the hardest bit for me to explain.) Like i dont think he has been trying to work out allighments. LM has been one of his top scums and he really hasn't pushed or suspected anyone else except for GB at some point. He even admits he hasn't really looked through LM's filter. I don't know if this is scummy or lazy town though because i did really like his interaction with GB.
Hm. Thanks. The nothing really controversial bit makes sense...though I have to take another look to see if I agree with that or not.
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On January 22 2015 11:03 geript wrote:
Like my bottom 5 or so, reread GB to be sure, skimmed LM, Shining thought he was kinda town, Breshke to be sure, WW. Maybe 1-2 more. I forget. Felt like I read 6 filters I think.
Okay, fair enough. Damdred you weren't liking earlier. Can you tell me where you stand now?
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On January 22 2015 11:15 Damdred wrote:
In day one I really didn't care if I got lynched or not, at that point I thought GB was town. And at that point it was either gb or me and GB had been playing better due to putting in work than me obviously.
I thought JJB had been playing scummy so tried to get a wagon moved there instead of on gb which happened and he turned out to be blue and we moved the wagon onto your lynch.
Afterwards I just went to work to try to figure the game out.
Lol, Damdy, you were a bit quick on that one, weren'tcha? I wasn't asking you why geript didn't like you...or what you had to say for yourself xP
And...what did you figure out? No offense, but I don't think an LM read is particularly earth-shattering then or now.
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On January 22 2015 11:15 Damdred wrote:
In day one I really didn't care if I got lynched or not, at that point I thought GB was town. And at that point it was either gb or me and GB had been playing better due to putting in work than me obviously.
I thought JJB had been playing scummy so tried to get a wagon moved there instead of on gb which happened and he turned out to be blue and we moved the wagon onto your lynch.
Afterwards I just went to work to try to figure the game out.
Okie doke (you're right, sorry, I'm doing three things at once right now)...so...I guess I don't get how you can go from at least partially scumreading him for being "boring" enough to be okay with a Day 1 lynch to saying he's putting in enough more work than you that you'd rather yourself be lynched over him? You were that certain he was town at that point?
I do remember you arguing a lot that he was, but it seems like a very sudden shift.
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On January 22 2015 12:42 LightningStrike wrote:Here where he started scum reading Breshke: Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:44 LoneMeow wrote:On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote:
TOWN
Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it.
LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town.
Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive.
On January 18 2015 15:07 Breshke wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 DarthPunk wrote:
K I just read all of Lightnings filter twice and he is not really scum hunting at all. Most of his contributions are talking about how many games people have played in/ played with him in and he talks A LOT about meta.
Can those people town reading Lightning please give me some in depth reasoning for those town reads. Cause I can't see it. I read him town for some weak meta case on my being more lurky as mafia. I expected someone to try and come at me because of it and thought it was towny. That's actually a fairly shit tier read though because it isn't actually alignment indicative. Would need to look more into it but i wouldn't call him town anymore. This progression on LightningStrike is is just pure bullshit. "Weak meta case" when he's in your strong town category, really? And if you actually had read his previous town games you would have instantly seen that he's playing exactly like he has done as town so far. I'm fairly sure you didn't actually bother to get any kind of meta on him, just used that as excuse for a town read. Scum like to do that. ##Vote: BreshkeGlowingBear, I am sorry for doubting you  But if you look at his filter he never really pressured Breshke at all after this vote here until today when he finally posted his vote on to Tfrel as seen here: Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:Breshke is scum. There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options. On January 20 2015 08:53 Breshke wrote:
So GB flipping town makes damdred fairly townie for what was going on with the wagons between the two.
Also rsoultin is also fairly townie for how hard she was going against trfel especially at times when she seemed to be the only one doing it.
For me that leaves two mafia within the following players given no cc's occur and trfel actually flips mafia
5) DarthPunk (filter)
6) The Shining (filter)
8) LoneMeow (filter)
10) geript (filter)
So for auto i only need one more town read and that would probably be geript for a couple reasons the biggest one being that I don't really see the scum motivation to lead the wagon off of GB (a town) onto warwaffle (another town).
So for next day phase i want to lynch one of the three remaining players and if i was to choose it would probably be LM.
I realize i could easily be wrong on any of my town reads as some of it is fairly weak reasoning so that makes this type of analysis maybe not the best but for now it is the world im living in. Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him. The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest. There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis. Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel. But he has yet to pressure Breshke at all or asking him anything which seems really scummy. Also his reads today prelynch was very vague though when I said his reads was vague with little reasons as seen in this post: Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:
##Vote: Trfel
This is where I'm at right now:
Town:
rsoultin
jarjarbinks
LightningStrike
Null:
DarthPunk
The Shining
geript
Damdred
Scum:
Breshke
Trfel
Although he did follow up with his thing on Breshke but never pressured him after that that post.
Nice catch, LS. Regardless, he doesn't seem terribly interested in the game, even when he is in-thread. I'm taking a closer look at his voting progression vs. reads progression right now.
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kk...i'll drop my thoughts here after some sleep...have to make sure they still make sense lol xP cause I work during the day so that'll probably be my last real post for the night phase
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On January 19 2015 06:57 LoneMeow wrote:
Wait, TheWarWaffle was actually voting with his previous best scum read Trfel? Yeah I'm ok with lynching him.
##Unvote
##Vote: TheWarWaffle
I'm not Breshke. But this is why I think you're scum, if I had to choose one vote in your entire filter.
The JJB one was eh, but GB looked pretty townie imo at the time you posted it, so I don't find it terribly alignment indicative, however that reads like complete contrived BS. WW AFKd a vote on GB (again not alignment indicative, and GB was a scumread for him all game) and trfel only switched to GB a good deal later. It's factually untrue and looks to be grasping at straws to justify a vote change.
Then you return to finding reasons to scumread bresh. I already pointed out how your first reasons were at best based on a misread and at worst scummy.
Couple that with your relative inactivity and questions with little-to-no analysis this game and I think you're the solid Day 3 lynch, with the highest potential of flipping scum.
I actually like Breshke's play EoD Day 1. His read on JJB (though probably incorrect) was very easy to follow, and he pushed it in-thread, albeit not as loudly or strongly as our talkative, more forceful vets. His Day 2 play also is pretty decent imo. I don't think he's the lynch.
I looked back through Shining's posts. I don't think he's the lynch, either. His voting on GB made sense from a townie perspective; I'm often inclined to scum people who I feel are avoiding my questions, and his follow-up seemed genuine to me. He's got a ton of text which I think is the problem reading him, but forcing myself to read each word, it's all meat and i'm not seeing anything making me go woah wtf like I did with trfel.
That leaves Damdred, DP and geript by poe.
geript's push on WW reads genuine. there are a couple things in his play I don't understand (I.e. his reaction to the red check and the odd (imo) special treatment on trfel) but i'm going to give him a tentative townread for now because on the whole his play seems townie, especially in the voting at eod
DP...your filter is rock solid. I want to townread you for that so bad. the trfel (and possible lm) associative reads seem almost coincidental in the context of the rest of your filter. my concern with dp is i'm not seeing any drive from you really since D2 started and the sheeping vote at the end of day 1. I know you're convinced geript is town so I can see town doing that, but you seem like a strong enough player to have your own opinions. town to me, but I want more from you. hell, build a case against me, that would make me happy ^^ something that doesn't use geript as a crutch
damdred...you're still null. you feel off this game. your filter looks fine when I read it but in context you're just not giving me those razzle dazzle town feels I get when you're in the game and on fire. your play feels more reactive than productive. I know you said you're burnt out, and that's a possible explanation, but I need to think more on you. if I had to lynch someone other than lm day 3, the ball would be in your court, because everyone else I've found reasons to think they could be town, but you're just not impressing me
sorry for the long post. wanted to get my thoughts out there before day 3. if you guys have questions for me, i'll try to answer them, but i'm off to work so I probably won't have the time to go in-depth/may not see them
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On January 23 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
Actually, I'm just going to sheep Breshke. He's obviously reading far more carefully than I am right now.
##vote Lonemeow
lol thinking about it? gb and i were both pushing you bby xP now jjb said he would and shining said he was scumming you, gb and lm...have you bothered to evaluate the vote?
jjb...knowledge nuggets plsthnx
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On January 23 2015 08:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On January 17 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I will respond to jarjar's request for a no lynch. No, we will definitely lynch.
No lynch on Day 1 is bad because it usually leaves you in an almost equally uninformed position on Day 2. Eventually you have to make that first lynch. Yes, town is often lynched on Day 1, but you can still lynch scum on Day 1 with effective play (and a bit of luck).
I will keep my vote on geript until I feel that it is better for me to move it. It is really silly to ask me for rules for what I will do with my vote, since it's my own judgement and there is absolutely no reason for me to try and set rules for every possible scenario. Mhm. The question was not what your rules are. The question was do you intend to scumhunt at all? Why is it so difficult for you to answer a simple question? Will you or will you not adhere to policy voting over scumread voting? Since you can't possibly be scumreading geript off of no posting (and have admitted to such) I feel that it's a valid question. I don't understand where you are coming from. Of course I intend to scumhunt. Why do you ask a question which has only one answer? I remember him getting a lot of towncred for this statement. I still didn't get why. I knew GB was one of the guys who towncredded him. Was the other geript? I don't see how town and mafia could respond differently to this.
heh i was thinking on why ppl were ignoring what to me seemed pretty clear but i think it comes down to ppl mistaking active for town. i dont think defending oneself in gen is alignment indicative frankly. thus not being impressed by the ww post from trfel like geript was.
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On January 23 2015 09:14 jarjarbinks wrote:
Man Trfel literally did everything to defend me in this game. Like in almost every post he mentioned me. Makes me wonder if/when he knew I was tracker. It would make more sense to hard defend me if I wasn't tracker. Then I would be more likely to die and he could claim "knowledge" or whatever. If he knew, I would think he would have wanted to lynch me.
Maybe I wasn't as obvious as I thought? I do post very strange posts often xD
lol...jjb...you said there was no doc/cop setup. if you're not scum (which is the assumption without a cc) by default you're the tracker xP and they can kill/rb you whenever they want
also not sure why this matters as a discussion point o.0
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On January 23 2015 09:17 Breshke wrote:
@JJB am i correct in assuming you scumread LM?
What do you think of the fact that basically no one disagrees with this?
Feel free to answer this aswell RSo.
Eh, hard to say. It's still early in the day. I will undoubtedly doubt myself and maybe even get cold feet if it still looks like this at EoD, but for now I don't think it's particularly concerning.
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On January 23 2015 09:34 geript wrote:
Shining has posted less than I remember from the Newbie game. ~1.5 pages when she had about 2-3 I think at this point in the newbie. That's interesting.
Do you have any other reasons to think he's scum, geript, apart from filter length? Assuming that was where the interesting comment was leading.
(If it's something I can address that's pissing you off, please let me know. I'm actually not here to take the fun out of things. :/)
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On January 23 2015 09:55 geript wrote:
Nothing in particular sprung out at me right now after reading his filter twice. Maybe GB's point about Shining having all the reasons to townread Trfel is echoing again. I can kinda see that point right now if you look at only specific points in the read. Defenitely feels like he's posting differently, but still early in his mafia career afaik so meta really isn't a applicable.
I'd probably have him as null if not for the push on GB at EoD. It just seemed really genuine to me. As well as the frustration afterwards with both Damdred and GB. Otherwise his reads seemed well-articulated/solid but kind of forgettable. Which was the null part.
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I also remember liking Shining's reaction to our spat. He reconsidered his position on things, went back, and even though his conclusion remained the same as his initial reads it was clear that he took the time to consider both sides. Seemed like a townie thing to do to me.
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On January 23 2015 08:54 jarjarbinks wrote:
This is about Trfel voting Geript at the beginning.
Do you guys think that Trfel would try to bus BOTH of his mafia bro's? I would definitely hope not. Especially right out of the gate. I could see him bussing one and maybe joining a lynchtrain on the other, but trying to kill off both your buddies seems messed up to me.
If geript turns mafia, PLEASE don't let me be mafia with Trfel lol
But anyways, what are your thoughts on this rsoultin? Think that possibly gives any towncred to geript if LM does turn scum? Definitely an if statement lol
Wouldn't call the geript vote a buss if he never intended to actually push it. Now he could have been bussing LM and trying to implicate you by being so pro-JJB lol.
LM's vote on WW was contrived. He completely made that reason up as an excuse. It's not a townie thing to do, moreso than pretty much anything else that has been discussed in the thread. I'm not worried too much with what trfel said, especially on Day 2. He knew he was almost 100% going to be lynched so none of that is useful, at least, I don't find it so.
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