New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia

On January 07 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote:
Hey Ls can you stop claiming vt everygame on day 1 thats not a thing.

Just because I did something similar and got townread does not make it right

On January 07 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:

We shouldn't really be talking much about the other game going on so let's refrain from that for now. Also what you thought on the stuff from OWS and Eden on voting me so early but Eden taken his vote off me?

On January 07 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote:


First game you claimed cop day1
second game you were mafia
third game you claimed a role on day 1. You were like barely a role
fourth game you claimed vt on day 1 (metal)
fifth game .........
your 6th game please dont do it thanks.

Coaching towns to victorys

On January 07 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:

Lost Game 1 2 and 4 but in 4 I got to MYLO and lost because kush tunneled me way to hard and 27ninjabunnies forgot to put her vote on Scib when I told her that he was scum.

On January 07 2015 07:25 sicklucker wrote:
No keep your vote on him for that LoL comment

On January 07 2015 07:27 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm sorry that I like playing League of Legends but Team Liquid just got a team and I had to share my thoughts somewhere sorry T_T

On January 07 2015 07:36 Breshke wrote:


It is really based in nothing but so LS overreacts to something. Various people tell him to not take it seriously and when he posts about it again he seems to still be taking it seriously.

I post something dumb inferring him and SL are scum and he doesn't even respond to it so i can only assume he isn't taking it seriously. There is a chance he didn't even see it but he seems eager to play so i assume he is reading every post.

There is clearly a different reaction here hence why I think he could easily be faking it. As to why he would fake it is because i think LS is very aware of his own meta and taking everything seriously would align more with how he plays as town.

On January 07 2015 09:27 Breshke wrote:
mderg what is your mafia experiance

On January 07 2015 09:30 LightningStrike wrote:

I got nothing yet on her I need more posts from her to see her alignment. I played with her in 2 previous games when she was town. What about your thoughts on HTS?

On January 07 2015 20:57 liancourt wrote:
I'm very content with the pseudo pressure votes on me

Not gonna make me bleed town that way.

Throw something at me

I lol'd at bats' pathetic attempt to meta read me when i've played up until now different meta/persona for every game I've played. The fact I'm not joking should be obvious. I said I was a sad panda because no one was trying shit to find scum. Why in the fuck would i joke around when jack shit is happening in the thread. I joke around when the game amuses me and interests me. Not when LS calls me fucking stubborn for a game that ended a month ago. And when bresh is asking fuck knows what kind of questions that are hardly worth replying to.

I'm going for the "butt hurt pissed off kindergartener" meta this time around because I genuinely don't like being called stubborn when I was fucking right. I call that being adamant about my beliefs and logic.

I don't like how LS reacted to any of my posts.



I barely had any interaction and it's like saying "hey if we don't get along this time around also it'd be like last time because we were both town back then" Trying to appeal being town out of absolutely nowhere with bollocks reason.



The tone of this post...."that was all" trying to make it seem like the post was meaningless...i really don't like this kind of post very scummy.



LS lying and misrepresenting game facts. Another "that's all" post.



Calling me stubborn for being right??? LOL The foreboding here is absolutely mind blowing. Implying "I'm not going to pay attention to you this game either because I'm scum"



Taking the back foot, posting another defensive post. another "that's all" post. Why mention another game really??? I didn't bring up jack shit about last game.



Another "that's all" post. I don't like the tone of these posts they are all passive posts nothing productive.



"Guys i'm in another game so if i look scummy here it's because i'm playing 2 games so overlook my scummy play"



i didnt mention anything about LS being "out of it" this game. Why mention it? Scum conscience.

There's your fire. Now piss on it. I want everyone to cast an opinion on this. I will not take no for an answer. Just like FFL. Come at me bring it.

On January 08 2015 00:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, here's another post from me. I was hoping others would be around so I could get some back and forth going, but eh.

First things first + Show Spoiler +
I really like that there are already basically two wagons going on SL and Lian. Good job possible towns, we might actually get something accomplished today!

Town
HTS- I'm really liking her day 1 reads. She seems thoughtful, and the reads are backed up by evidence in the thread.

Leaning town
Eden- Ive been in a game with him when he was mafia. The final 3lylo he was talking about I'm sure. So he is definitely on my watch list because in that game he came out super townie, and stayed super townie. But for right now, I've liked what he has contributed, and he wont be definitive town yet.

Leaning Scum
Mderg- I'm not really liking mdergs posts this game. One, I'm just not a big fan of oneliners. Two, Im curious as to his pressure on HTS for "obvious shitposts" or something like that, but then he turns to put pressure on lian over her. @Mdeg, what do you think of HTS now that she has given reads?

Breshke- what weirded me out most about breshke was his entrance to the thread. I mean I guess if you are gonna go hard, immediately call two people scum. Interesting entrance, but his tone (very challenging) is similar to the last game we played where he flipped mafia (that shot though). The only thing that would make me place him as town is if SL flipped scum tbh. I don't think they could be scum together.

Lian

SL

Oats?- more so for his questioning on what the point to my post was. Eden got the point. Or atleast answered.

Scum
None definitively at the moment.

I need to read more into Lian and SL, but here are my thoughts so far.
And oats needs to come back

On January 08 2015 06:59 Breshke wrote:


Meh, most of the cases on Lian are that he is acting differently to how he normally does and i have no idea if this is true or what it means because im too lazy to read past games. I don't understand why he is purposly acting like a dick because if he is town i don't think that's the way to go about getting people to listen to you but being a dick doesn't equal mafia. I do think he is town though because even though his case is shit on LS he seems to actually want people to comment on it and that feels town motivated to me. I am intrested to see what happens when he comes back to the thread though.

So i also think bunnies is town because the questions she has been asking while may not be like scum hunting are obviously there to get conversation flowing which is obviously something this game needs so im happy to call her town for now.

I was also liking Eden because he seemed to be on the same thought process as me about sicklucker but has seemingly flipped now for reasons that i feel are really weak.

Also sicklucker could you explain how you went from scum to null on LS (I've included your posts and the only one he made in between in the spoiler tag.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 08 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote:
oh and Ls admitted he claimed day 1 in EVERYGAME which ddefends me and makes me obvious town to anyone with a brain

On January 08 2015 08:41 liancourt wrote:


PPL come on this post is weird as fuck.

Thread sentiment was literally dead and was inactive as fuck and that's why I said it was going to be a hard game, bu tthen LS comes up with this bullshit post out of nowhere that has absolutely nothing to do with the current game. If you look at all the posts before this LS has been posting filler shit and nothing else regarding the game. Even going as far as saying how it was "worrying".



When in fact LS hasnt done jack shit up until then. Instead of pretending to "worry" scum hunting would have been better.

I havent been so sure of scum on day 1 in all my games of playing on TL.

Vote LS now or you're scum

On January 07 2015 23:39 Half the Sky wrote:


Right now, from the posts I've seen so far, I'm leaning town on Bunnies for her post evaluating the 2-3 reads she did (she's trying, no?), leaning scum on SL (previously mentioned), leaning scum on LS (his posts are a bit of fluff, plus posts that detract).

Eden, I'm leaning town, not so much because he voted SL, but his detailed post in doing so. It shows what appears to be a town-driven analysis.

Batsnacks, I will need to see more posts from him to evaluate.

Lian seemed emotional in the last game I played with him too, but his posts this time are a bit more content. He does point out flaws in LS's posts and he is reading between the lines, yes they are emotional, but Lian was emotional in Carol. For now, I'm leaning town on Lian, although I am waiting to see if someone can give me another POV on a scum meta.

On January 09 2015 05:17 Breshke wrote:


In my eyes she tried to push the thread early and shit when we were seriously lacking in activity.

I don't get this last post.



She is really defensive about irl shit with almost no one pressuring her that is odd.

I don't know if the bolded sentence refers to this game or the last game in which she vig shot me correctly. If the former she should be voting me. If the latter there was no reason to bring it up and is just filler to try justify her vote.

Still don't think i would vote her today

On January 09 2015 05:43 Breshke wrote:


Okay noted.

Do you still think HTS is scum? I don't, can you explain.

On January 09 2015 04:33 Half the Sky wrote:
OWS and DrP, this is my first time playing with him and Bats defence of him was meta. I cannot speak for the veteran votes on him, though. With three people defending him for reasons they are, I'm willing to give VA benefit of the doubt.

My thoughts:

I do not understand Bunnies' vote on Oats, but I want her to explain first.
I do not feel Oats is the D1 lynch.

Sicklucker generally needs more than one day to evaluate, Breshke I know has been scum before and a couple are scumreading him based on tone. I also feel I need another day to eval those two, Bats, OWS.

Lian...different approach...but I'm not feeling a lynch on him either.

mderg, I don't want to omgus him, but if I were to switch my name with someone else's and if I saw him say the same thing, my problem with his argument is that even for D1, the reads still show I am trying to work with what limited information I have. Saying my reads were inaccurate (i.e. Bats) is fine, though.

Eden's posts I am getting a town sense of thinking, I don't want to lynch him.

Lala has yet to post since he (she?) confirmed though. Now this is a potential modkill and if we absolutely positively have no other alternatives...

On my phone, but I'll keep my eyes open here if I can.

On January 09 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Mderg, others have said similar things to what you have bolded. Why pick me out of the rest?

On January 09 2015 06:00 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP: You criticised my reads, so I am saying why your argument is a poor one.

On January 09 2015 06:00 DrParnassus wrote:


does hts showing up for pre-lynch mean anything?

On January 09 2015 06:06 Half the Sky wrote:
Mderg, I am not referring to my opening. I already responded to that saying it was a poor argument.

I am referring especially to this:



Others are saying they also want to hold off on others lynches as well. That is what I mean. Why pick me?

On January 09 2015 06:08 Half the Sky wrote:


So this is a tone argument I understand? One of my reads were based on a previous quote.

This is the first time I've played a game with you.
How reliable do you think your (tone?) read on me is?

On January 09 2015 06:20 Half the Sky wrote:
Mderg. Okay, now you are clearer, THAT I can explain.

SL, Bats, OWS, Breshke. I have played 1-2 games with each of them before.

Bats is a hard read. I have misread him in both games I've played with him.
Sicklucker posts very erratic, he has done this in both games.
Breskhe, one game played as town with him, and obs a game he was scum. Could not read him when he was scum.
OWS, played one game and badly misread him. Wasn't sure how to interpret his indifference.

Based on their posts in this game, and based on how I felt their posts were in prior games difficult to read. Not feeling different now except for SL tunnelling me and I don't understand his motives.

On January 09 2015 06:33 batsnacks wrote:


Please give reads on people other than VA in the time we have left. I don't care if you vote him but just hopping on the biggest wagon right now with no other reads is suboptimal for town.

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On January 09 2015 06:43 lalalipop wrote:


it isn't really a big deal to miss out much of d1: most d1 lynches in all sites will come down to wagon hopping. Information in d1 is used as a comparison to d2, with the changes in n1 through PR uses and lynches.

On January 09 2015 06:49 Breshke wrote:
I also don't like mderg much. Calling out HTS on tone and filler when arguably NB has the same problem but he doesn't seem to have a problem with her.

On January 09 2015 07:15 LightningStrike wrote:
WTF why wasn't he defending himself if he was town? Well that is extremely odd and I guess he was doing a off meta type of play this game :|

On January 10 2015 06:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


This guy is town.

On January 10 2015 15:45 Eden1892 wrote:

First thought is LOL at trying to do vca on this. Two wagons, one town, the other unknown, clear majority, only outlier vote is confirmed town b/c she was shot right afterward. No layups

In situations like these where the main wagon is town and we don't know the other wagon, we first want to look at the rationale people gave for their votes. The first person I notice is myself, because I didn't give any, because I'm a donkey and I slept through EOD and only managed to slap a fast vote down to avoid mod sanction. No johns, I suck, sorry guys.

Instead I'm going to look at the other people who coasted on the lead wagon.

First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen.

Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left.

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Other notes:

- sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read.

- Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts.

- batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does.

- Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that.

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That's all I feel like doing right now, I'll do more later on but this seems good enough to start with.

Town: me, Obi, HTS, SL, LS, bats
Mafia: Oats, lian
TBD: Breshke, lollipop, derg, Doc

On January 11 2015 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
nononono

vote drp, who is actually posting BUT DOING NOTHING AT ALL.
and admittedly lurking.

Classic mafia tell.

On January 11 2015 22:35 Breshke wrote:
People jumping on the HTS wagon feels scummy because i dont get why she is scummy it makes no sense to me and im sticking to this unlike VA.

Lala seems like a good alternative has done legit nothing. Will be back home tomorrow can be mpre useful. Will be around EoD hopefully so if people have cases on HTS post it cos im not seein it

On January 12 2015 06:03 Eden1892 wrote:
Can we yolo wagon Oats?

On January 12 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:

Did you forget about Ritoky in Carol? Ritoky pretty much was making enemies Day 1 of that game. Also did you notice that Lian not making spoilered posts like he did in Russia Today and Carol?

On January 12 2015 06:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


So what?

Do you think he's going to intentionally make his own life harder by claiming a role for no reason as mafia or what?

On January 12 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:

He's mafia because of meta at least in my eyes. Also seemed to get ticked off a little bit easier this game than in Carol too.

On January 12 2015 06:17 LightningStrike wrote:

Okay so how would you see Lian as Mafia?

On January 10 2015 15:45 Eden1892 wrote:

First thought is LOL at trying to do vca on this. Two wagons, one town, the other unknown, clear majority, only outlier vote is confirmed town b/c she was shot right afterward. No layups

In situations like these where the main wagon is town and we don't know the other wagon, we first want to look at the rationale people gave for their votes. The first person I notice is myself, because I didn't give any, because I'm a donkey and I slept through EOD and only managed to slap a fast vote down to avoid mod sanction. No johns, I suck, sorry guys.

Instead I'm going to look at the other people who coasted on the lead wagon.

First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen.

Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left.

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Other notes:

- sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read.

- Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts.

- batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does.

- Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that.

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That's all I feel like doing right now, I'll do more later on but this seems good enough to start with.

Town: me, Obi, HTS, SL, LS, bats
Mafia: Oats, lian
TBD: Breshke, lollipop, derg, Doc

On January 12 2015 06:41 lalalipop wrote:


I don't know how to read oats. Are you sure about oats?

On January 12 2015 06:48 Breshke wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote lightningstrike

On January 12 2015 06:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I just said this was a problem but nobody wants to switch.

Much irritating.

On January 12 2015 06:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Your reads don't make sense and you have too many people as questionable for shoddy reasons.

On January 12 2015 13:19 sicklucker wrote:
Mderg probably a good lynch too. He just sheeped me and I was wrong.

On January 12 2015 15:30 sicklucker wrote:
Nothing thats the point. You followed me onto 1 town. You also lynch a town. All on the same day. You also got the lynch of lolipop

On January 12 2015 15:52 sicklucker wrote:
Well mderg you push only towns this game. If I were not a power role id kill me too.

On January 13 2015 23:39 sicklucker wrote:
well mderg if breskes not shot people probably just lazyly vote lolipop tormorow so you could say mafias setting up two mislynches.

On January 14 2015 01:40 lalalipop wrote:
I just got on and now everyone agrees I'm town?

I'm still up to kill lian btw, he is still one of my top scumreads.

On January 14 2015 01:48 sicklucker wrote:
So I wasint roleblocked last night which is interesting because that means mafia didnt believe my claim. This leaves me to believe one of lian or eden have to be mafia based on meta. It could also just be dr. and mderg and they acualy believed I was a miller but they cant be that stupid can they?

Well whoever the mafia is didnt bother to read the roles because they wasted their roleblock on obi last night.

On January 14 2015 01:52 sicklucker wrote:
So what bats mafia didnt read it because they wasted their roleblock last night. The roles are terribly descibe and I had to ask the host to tell me what roles are in the game because I could barely read them.

On January 14 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote:


I fake claim all the time.

On January 14 2015 01:58 mderg wrote:

I know that you like to fakeclaim, that's why I was wondering.

On January 14 2015 02:09 liancourt wrote:
just ignore SL bats and vote for mderg

On January 14 2015 15:21 liancourt wrote:
On day 1 all you talk about is HTS and even then you are just copying the content from SL

On January 14 2015 10:05 sicklucker wrote:


I mostly ignored it because I think your mafia and hes obv town? Ill give it a good read before vote time and all of lians filter which is really the only filter ive ignored for awhile.

On January 14 2015 15:19 liancourt wrote:


Scum reads me hts oats. 3 town



agrees with his scum read and says he is up for drp lynch



agrees with oats but still thinks he's a good lynch but not sure about it...



where did his drp lynch go?

you actually dont care who gets lynched because everyone is town.

On January 14 2015 21:47 DrParnassus wrote:
idk about mderg right now but i'm pretty sure lian is town

On January 09 2015 06:49 Breshke wrote:
I also don't like mderg much. Calling out HTS on tone and filler when arguably NB has the same problem but he doesn't seem to have a problem with her.

On January 09 2015 06:50 Breshke wrote:
I also can't remember anything mderg has done other than try and push the lynch on HTS right now

On January 10 2015 06:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


This guy is town.

On January 14 2015 22:17 DrParnassus wrote:
hi mderg. right now I'm voting for you without any reasons other than that I'm not town reading on you and the lian lynch is bad. but I think there's still time to swing it around if you're town so if you're town please tell me who the mafia are.

On January 14 2015 22:19 mderg wrote:

I don't think you will like this but mafia is most likely between lian, you and batsnacks. And I like batsnacks more than lian and you.

On January 14 2015 22:22 DrParnassus wrote:


what about eden?

On January 14 2015 22:24 liancourt wrote:
now that we've established i am in fact town can we plz lynch mderg

On January 14 2015 22:25 DrParnassus wrote:
well if I were to decide you're town and take my vote off of you that's probably who the vote would have to go to

On January 14 2015 22:51 LightningStrike wrote:
I forgot that scum called HTS,Lian, and mderg town and he was right on 2 of thewm on flip alone. Normally scum would try to defend the weaker players (HTS and mderg) and someone being scum read by some people (Lian).
##Unvote

On January 14 2015 23:09 LightningStrike wrote:

TLDR: If scum says a player is town they 90% they are town.

On January 14 2015 23:10 liancourt wrote:
mderg what do u think about drp?

eden what do u think about drp?

On January 14 2015 19:27 mderg wrote:
drp was very unmemorable in the thread, I don't even really know what his reads were. He voted himself on day1 and lalalipop on day2 both of these votes don't really point towards him being town.

On January 14 2015 20:57 mderg wrote:
DrP would be my second target which should actually be obvious.

On January 14 2015 23:21 LightningStrike wrote:

After taking a second look through Lians filter and rereading Breshkes filter I got a town read on Lian. There is mostly stuff only town way.

On January 14 2015 23:28 DrParnassus wrote:
i think i'm going to sleep. i will probably wake up befre d line but i'm leaving my vote on mderg because i've been in the thread with both of them (mderg + lian) for a decent time now and lian has put way more effort into figuring out my alignment and/or getting me to be productive

On January 14 2015 23:28 DrParnassus wrote:
i think i'm going to sleep. i will probably wake up befre d line but i'm leaving my vote on mderg because i've been in the thread with both of them (mderg + lian) for a decent time now and lian has put way more effort into figuring out my alignment and/or getting me to be productive

On January 14 2015 23:44 DrParnassus wrote:


mderg



lian

On January 14 2015 19:27 mderg wrote:
So far we're at this:

sicklucker
Half the Sky
LightningStrike
Oatsmaster
Breshke
liancourt
batsnacks
DrParnassus
lalalipop
Eden1892
VayneAuthority
mderg
ObiWanShinobi
NinjaBunnies

Everyone colored green is confirmed town or almost certainly town. That leaves lian, batsnacks, drp, Eden and me. I am obviously town myself and I agree with a lot of the things Eden said, so I think he's also town.

That leaves lian, batsnacks and drp as possible scum. I think lian and drp are way more likely to be scum than batsnacks. The reasons for lian being scum are already in the thread, drp was very unmemorable in the thread, I don't even really know what his reads were. He voted himself on day1 and lalalipop on day2 both of these votes don't really point towards him being town.

lian did have both Breshke and drp as scum at some point in the game, though. This might point towards lian being town but I don't think it does. Considering that lian tried to appear controversial and look like a dick this game, some distancing like that is certainly possible early in the game. It's not like those two were under any real pressure and lian did not push any of them, so the danger was pretty much nonexistent.

On January 14 2015 22:19 mderg wrote:

I don't think you will like this but mafia is most likely between lian, you and batsnacks with lian. And I like batsnacks more than lian and you.

On January 14 2015 22:23 mderg wrote:

I think he's town. Mostly because I agree with a lot of the things he says.

On January 14 2015 22:28 mderg wrote:

Wouldn't be much better than what the situation is now.

On January 14 2015 23:19 mderg wrote:



Meaning he looks pretty scummy.

On January 15 2015 03:02 Eden1892 wrote:
Plenty? Pretty sure the thrust of it is "I'm not sheeping Eden," which I'm not sure I'm inclined to believe since he explicitly sad he was a couple times. I don't normally mind sheeping but:

(1) I haven't caught a mafia yet so there's nothing definitively distinguishing town from mafia. It's easy for mafia to sheep town onto town, harder for mafia to sheep town onto mafia.
(2) I have so many strong town reads that someone who isn't one of them and whose reads are in large part sheeped from me is more likely than normal to be mafia sheeping me.

On January 15 2015 06:30 DrParnassus wrote:
huh this is potentially really bad

On January 15 2015 06:50 sicklucker wrote:
Lian your here to hammer to save yourself... right?

On January 15 2015 06:57 DrParnassus wrote:
don't let eden's headstrong bs fool you, he doesn't actually have reads

On January 16 2015 08:43 batsnacks wrote:


You didn't actually believe SL would be killed. Why would SL ever be the nk?

On January 17 2015 10:28 sicklucker wrote:
If this is how mderg plays town I still want to kill him out of spite. I think giving up is a mafia trait but I dont really have the experience to know.

On January 18 2015 04:50 sicklucker wrote:
mderg vote eden?

On January 18 2015 05:03 sicklucker wrote:


Thats not actually true because both your most likely partners are voting each other and taking the vote off you...

On January 18 2015 05:07 sicklucker wrote:


Because theres 3 likely mafia in this game. The other two eden/lian are trying to get votes off you.... This makes you very likely mafia. More likely with eden

On January 18 2015 05:14 sicklucker wrote:
Im starting too and the fact your most likely partners are voting to save you makes you not look good. Its hard to make a case on you as town because theres so little content. You giving up could just be a ploy and your clearly not giving up.

On January 18 2015 06:36 mderg wrote:
Just throwing out this theory:
What if sucklucker is scum? What's the reason we all see him as town? It's mainly because of his claim(s).He also has a huge ass filter but whatever. His uncc'd tracker claim pretty much confirms him as town but there's way that scum would have no fear of being cc'd at all. If they don't have to chose who makes the kill at night, they can be 100% sure that there's neither tracker nor watcher in this game. Being basically confirmed town would then give him a free pass to push scum agenda without anyone doubting him at all.

It's actually very unlikely that this is the case. sicklucker is most likely town but I just wanted to throw this out here to sound smart, if this turns out to be true.