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On January 07 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote: Hey Ls can you stop claiming vt everygame on day 1 thats not a thing. Just because I did something similar and got townread does not make it right gotta use the kenpachi rule | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: We shouldn't really be talking much about the other game going on so let's refrain from that for now. Also what you thought on the stuff from OWS and Eden on voting me so early but Eden taken his vote off me? I meant coaching you in this game. not much, just some early shenanigans. | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote: First game you claimed cop day1 second game you were mafia third game you claimed a role on day 1. You were like barely a role fourth game you claimed vt on day 1 (metal) fifth game ......... your 6th game please dont do it thanks. Coaching towns to victorys The most important question is: did he win those games? | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote: Lost Game 1 2 and 4 but in 4 I got to MYLO and lost because kush tunneled me way to hard and 27ninjabunnies forgot to put her vote on Scib when I told her that he was scum. So it was bunnies fault? shame on her. I think we can all agree that claiming your role early D1 is generally not the bist thing to do, right? | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:25 sicklucker wrote: No keep your vote on him for that LoL comment exactly my thoughts | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:27 LightningStrike wrote: I'm sorry that I like playing League of Legends but Team Liquid just got a team and I had to share my thoughts somewhere sorry T_T We're not actually serious about this (me at least) | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:36 Breshke wrote: It is really based in nothing but so LS overreacts to something. Various people tell him to not take it seriously and when he posts about it again he seems to still be taking it seriously. I post something dumb inferring him and SL are scum and he doesn't even respond to it so i can only assume he isn't taking it seriously. There is a chance he didn't even see it but he seems eager to play so i assume he is reading every post. There is clearly a different reaction here hence why I think he could easily be faking it. As to why he would fake it is because i think LS is very aware of his own meta and taking everything seriously would align more with how he plays as town. I find it more likely that he just didn't see it. | ||
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What do you think about HTS? | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:27 Breshke wrote: mderg what is your mafia experiance I played a few (about 10) games. I was kinda bad in most games and pretty good in 1 or 2 games. Not much more to say about that. | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:30 LightningStrike wrote: I got nothing yet on her I need more posts from her to see her alignment. I played with her in 2 previous games when she was town. What about your thoughts on HTS? I find it odd how she(?) made just 2 posts somewhere between our early game shitposts. These posts are also pretty much stating obvious things, so I'm slightly suspicious. | ||
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##vote liancourt | ||
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On January 07 2015 20:57 liancourt wrote: I'm very content with the pseudo pressure votes on me Not gonna make me bleed town that way. Throw something at me I lol'd at bats' pathetic attempt to meta read me when i've played up until now different meta/persona for every game I've played. The fact I'm not joking should be obvious. I said I was a sad panda because no one was trying shit to find scum. Why in the fuck would i joke around when jack shit is happening in the thread. I joke around when the game amuses me and interests me. Not when LS calls me fucking stubborn for a game that ended a month ago. And when bresh is asking fuck knows what kind of questions that are hardly worth replying to. I'm going for the "butt hurt pissed off kindergartener" meta this time around because I genuinely don't like being called stubborn when I was fucking right. I call that being adamant about my beliefs and logic. I don't like how LS reacted to any of my posts. I barely had any interaction and it's like saying "hey if we don't get along this time around also it'd be like last time because we were both town back then" Trying to appeal being town out of absolutely nowhere with bollocks reason. The tone of this post...."that was all" trying to make it seem like the post was meaningless...i really don't like this kind of post very scummy. LS lying and misrepresenting game facts. Another "that's all" post. Calling me stubborn for being right??? LOL The foreboding here is absolutely mind blowing. Implying "I'm not going to pay attention to you this game either because I'm scum" Taking the back foot, posting another defensive post. another "that's all" post. Why mention another game really??? I didn't bring up jack shit about last game. Another "that's all" post. I don't like the tone of these posts they are all passive posts nothing productive. "Guys i'm in another game so if i look scummy here it's because i'm playing 2 games so overlook my scummy play" i didnt mention anything about LS being "out of it" this game. Why mention it? Scum conscience. There's your fire. Now piss on it. I want everyone to cast an opinion on this. I will not take no for an answer. Just like FFL. Come at me bring it. So basically you're just mad that LS called you stubborn? I don't see anything that would make LS scummy in this. All I can see is you trying hard to come across as a dick. | ||
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On January 08 2015 00:34 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, here's another post from me. I was hoping others would be around so I could get some back and forth going, but eh. First things first + Show Spoiler + I'm da realest I really like that there are already basically two wagons going on SL and Lian. Good job possible towns, we might actually get something accomplished today! Town HTS- I'm really liking her day 1 reads. She seems thoughtful, and the reads are backed up by evidence in the thread. Leaning town Eden- Ive been in a game with him when he was mafia. The final 3lylo he was talking about I'm sure. So he is definitely on my watch list because in that game he came out super townie, and stayed super townie. But for right now, I've liked what he has contributed, and he wont be definitive town yet. Leaning Scum Mderg- I'm not really liking mdergs posts this game. One, I'm just not a big fan of oneliners. Two, Im curious as to his pressure on HTS for "obvious shitposts" or something like that, but then he turns to put pressure on lian over her. @Mdeg, what do you think of HTS now that she has given reads? Breshke- what weirded me out most about breshke was his entrance to the thread. I mean I guess if you are gonna go hard, immediately call two people scum. Interesting entrance, but his tone (very challenging) is similar to the last game we played where he flipped mafia (that shot though). The only thing that would make me place him as town is if SL flipped scum tbh. I don't think they could be scum together. Lian SL Oats?- more so for his questioning on what the point to my post was. Eden got the point. Or atleast answered. Scum None definitively at the moment. I need to read more into Lian and SL, but here are my thoughts so far. And oats needs to come back Regarding my pressure on HTS: that was not for shitposts but for just making 2 posts during the early part of the game which had pretty much no value to them. | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:59 Breshke wrote: Meh, most of the cases on Lian are that he is acting differently to how he normally does and i have no idea if this is true or what it means because im too lazy to read past games. I don't understand why he is purposly acting like a dick because if he is town i don't think that's the way to go about getting people to listen to you but being a dick doesn't equal mafia. I do think he is town though because even though his case is shit on LS he seems to actually want people to comment on it and that feels town motivated to me. I am intrested to see what happens when he comes back to the thread though. So i also think bunnies is town because the questions she has been asking while may not be like scum hunting are obviously there to get conversation flowing which is obviously something this game needs so im happy to call her town for now. I was also liking Eden because he seemed to be on the same thought process as me about sicklucker but has seemingly flipped now for reasons that i feel are really weak. Also sicklucker could you explain how you went from scum to null on LS (I've included your posts and the only one he made in between in the spoiler tag. + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2015 01:41 sicklucker wrote: I dont read you town man. Infact im scum reading you now for ignoring my qeustion On January 08 2015 01:45 LightningStrike wrote: The only time I didn't claimed yes was I was scum but it because we killed both power roles in the first 36 hours of the game. Game 1 it was sort for telling them it was Detective not Cop but it was because I got the role pm saying it was Detective and I was getting lynched and had to claim. Yes I claimed 4/4 I soft claimed at Carol on Day 1 but my role wouldn't matter though as kush claimed Scrooge Day 1 and made me useless even if I wasn't roleblocked -_-. On January 08 2015 01:49 sicklucker wrote: Ok thats a good answer by Ls. back to null. Everyone thinking I townread ls is funny. All I did was coach him to not do a mistake he just admitted to doing in EVERYONE of his town games. I dont know wtf he is but since im town I dont want him screwing up this one too if hes town. You have a point about liancourt. Acting like a dick is not alignment indicative and he actually put in some effort seemingly trying to solve the game or at least giving a strong read on LS (not that I agree with that read). He was pretty open about his thoughts, so I'm leaning slightly town on him for now. | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote: oh and Ls admitted he claimed day 1 in EVERYGAME which ddefends me and makes me obvious town to anyone with a brain I guess I don't have a brain then. | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:41 liancourt wrote: PPL come on this post is weird as fuck. Thread sentiment was literally dead and was inactive as fuck and that's why I said it was going to be a hard game, bu tthen LS comes up with this bullshit post out of nowhere that has absolutely nothing to do with the current game. If you look at all the posts before this LS has been posting filler shit and nothing else regarding the game. Even going as far as saying how it was "worrying". When in fact LS hasnt done jack shit up until then. Instead of pretending to "worry" scum hunting would have been better. I havent been so sure of scum on day 1 in all my games of playing on TL. Vote LS now or you're scum I'm not convinced of your case against LS at all. The weird post does not indicate scum at all. It seems more like he was frustrated with how that other game played out and still had that in his mind or something like that. I'm actually relatively sure that LS is town because he takes everything so seriously and how uptight he feels. | ||
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I'm also wondering why she would feel the need to specifically mention batsnacks in her read post. Why only him and not anyone else? On January 07 2015 23:39 Half the Sky wrote: Right now, from the posts I've seen so far, I'm leaning town on Bunnies for her post evaluating the 2-3 reads she did (she's trying, no?), leaning scum on SL (previously mentioned), leaning scum on LS (his posts are a bit of fluff, plus posts that detract). Eden, I'm leaning town, not so much because he voted SL, but his detailed post in doing so. It shows what appears to be a town-driven analysis. Batsnacks, I will need to see more posts from him to evaluate. Lian seemed emotional in the last game I played with him too, but his posts this time are a bit more content. He does point out flaws in LS's posts and he is reading between the lines, yes they are emotional, but Lian was emotional in Carol. For now, I'm leaning town on Lian, although I am waiting to see if someone can give me another POV on a scum meta. | ||
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I'd rather lynch HTS for reasons that I've already given. ##Vote Half the Sky | ||
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On January 09 2015 05:17 Breshke wrote: In my eyes she tried to push the thread early and shit when we were seriously lacking in activity. I don't get this last post. She is really defensive about irl shit with almost no one pressuring her that is odd. I don't know if the bolded sentence refers to this game or the last game in which she vig shot me correctly. If the former she should be voting me. If the latter there was no reason to bring it up and is just filler to try justify her vote. Still don't think i would vote her today she is always defensive about irl stuff. That says nothing about her alignment at all. | ||
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On January 09 2015 05:43 Breshke wrote: Okay noted. Do you still think HTS is scum? I don't, can you explain. I still think she's scum. Her posts look too passive for my liking. Saying things like "but I still need time to evaluate" or something like that. Her opening also felt strange, not really engaging in the early conversation at all. This post of hers should explain what I mean On January 09 2015 04:33 Half the Sky wrote: OWS and DrP, this is my first time playing with him and Bats defence of him was meta. I cannot speak for the veteran votes on him, though. With three people defending him for reasons they are, I'm willing to give VA benefit of the doubt. My thoughts: I do not understand Bunnies' vote on Oats, but I want her to explain first. I do not feel Oats is the D1 lynch. Sicklucker generally needs more than one day to evaluate, Breshke I know has been scum before and a couple are scumreading him based on tone. I also feel I need another day to eval those two, Bats, OWS. Lian...different approach...but I'm not feeling a lynch on him either. mderg, I don't want to omgus him, but if I were to switch my name with someone else's and if I saw him say the same thing, my problem with his argument is that even for D1, the reads still show I am trying to work with what limited information I have. Saying my reads were inaccurate (i.e. Bats) is fine, though. Eden's posts I am getting a town sense of thinking, I don't want to lynch him. Lala has yet to post since he (she?) confirmed though. Now this is a potential modkill and if we absolutely positively have no other alternatives... On my phone, but I'll keep my eyes open here if I can. | ||
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On January 09 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote: Mderg, others have said similar things to what you have bolded. Why pick me out of the rest? You got my attention because of your opening. I also don't think anyone else has said something like that as much as you. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:00 Half the Sky wrote: EBWOP: You criticised my reads, so I am saying why your argument is a poor one. I'm not really criticizing your reads but rather how you present your reads. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:00 DrParnassus wrote: does hts showing up for pre-lynch mean anything? I don't think it does. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:06 Half the Sky wrote: Mderg, I am not referring to my opening. I already responded to that saying it was a poor argument. I am referring especially to this: Others are saying they also want to hold off on others lynches as well. That is what I mean. Why pick me? I know what you're referring to. I started looking closer at you because of your opening and I noticed that in your read posts you have multiple people who you still want to evaluate. Maybe others have said the same a few times but I don't think anyone did that nearly as much as you. If that's wrong, it's because I'm lazy and bad but I'm pretty sure that I'm not wrong about that. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:08 Half the Sky wrote: So this is a tone argument I understand? One of my reads were based on a previous quote. This is the first time I've played a game with you. How reliable do you think your (tone?) read on me is? I don't know you enough to get a 100% reliable tone read on you. In general your tone points toward scum, though. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:20 Half the Sky wrote: Mderg. Okay, now you are clearer, THAT I can explain. SL, Bats, OWS, Breshke. I have played 1-2 games with each of them before. Bats is a hard read. I have misread him in both games I've played with him. Sicklucker posts very erratic, he has done this in both games. Breskhe, one game played as town with him, and obs a game he was scum. Could not read him when he was scum. OWS, played one game and badly misread him. Wasn't sure how to interpret his indifference. Based on their posts in this game, and based on how I felt their posts were in prior games difficult to read. Not feeling different now except for SL tunnelling me and I don't understand his motives. I still don't get why you would explicitly mention that you still need to read more of them to evaluate, that's pretty much useless information. Especially when they're null reads. Of course you still have to evaluate them, it's not like every read is set in stone after 10 pages or you can even have proper reads on everyone. That's why those parts look like useless clutter that mainly prevents people from antagonizing. | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:33 batsnacks wrote: Please give reads on people other than VA in the time we have left. I don't care if you vote him but just hopping on the biggest wagon right now with no other reads is suboptimal for town. That makes breshke look pretty bad | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:43 lalalipop wrote: it isn't really a big deal to miss out much of d1: most d1 lynches in all sites will come down to wagon hopping. Information in d1 is used as a comparison to d2, with the changes in n1 through PR uses and lynches. tl is superior to other sites, though. So even our d1 lynches are great | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:49 Breshke wrote: I also don't like mderg much. Calling out HTS on tone and filler when arguably NB has the same problem but he doesn't seem to have a problem with her. Are you really saying that their posts are similar? | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:15 LightningStrike wrote: WTF why wasn't he defending himself if he was town? Well that is extremely odd and I guess he was doing a off meta type of play this game :| giving up/ragequitting happens as either alignment | ||
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27nb is probably town because she likes my case on HTS. She's also asking intelligent questions and critically thinking about the game (this is like the most generic reason for a townread ever but whatever) | ||
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I could see 2 scum between lian, HTS and oats. Has oats even posted a single read so far? I basically can't remember anything he did this game. | ||
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On January 10 2015 15:45 Eden1892 wrote: First thought is LOL at trying to do vca on this. Two wagons, one town, the other unknown, clear majority, only outlier vote is confirmed town b/c she was shot right afterward. No layups In situations like these where the main wagon is town and we don't know the other wagon, we first want to look at the rationale people gave for their votes. The first person I notice is myself, because I didn't give any, because I'm a donkey and I slept through EOD and only managed to slap a fast vote down to avoid mod sanction. No johns, I suck, sorry guys. Instead I'm going to look at the other people who coasted on the lead wagon. First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen. Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left. === Other notes: - sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read. - Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts. - batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does. - Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that. === That's all I feel like doing right now, I'll do more later on but this seems good enough to start with. Town: me, Obi, HTS, SL, LS, bats Mafia: Oats, lian TBD: Breshke, lollipop, derg, Doc To the townpile you go. Especially the part about liancourt looks good. I'd imagine a townie would at least question his vote more, when he is on the same wagon as his two main suspects. His vote literally made no sense at all. | ||
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On January 11 2015 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote: nononono vote drp, who is actually posting BUT DOING NOTHING AT ALL. and admittedly lurking. Classic mafia tell. I would be up for a drp lynch, if HTS wasn't on the table. | ||
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On January 11 2015 22:35 Breshke wrote: People jumping on the HTS wagon feels scummy because i dont get why she is scummy it makes no sense to me and im sticking to this unlike VA. Lala seems like a good alternative has done legit nothing. Will be back home tomorrow can be mpre useful. Will be around EoD hopefully so if people have cases on HTS post it cos im not seein it Who are the people jumping on the HTS wagon? | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:03 Eden1892 wrote: Can we yolo wagon Oats? I'd prefer that over lala | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: Did you forget about Ritoky in Carol? Ritoky pretty much was making enemies Day 1 of that game. Also did you notice that Lian not making spoilered posts like he did in Russia Today and Carol? Can you put that into context for someone who has no idea about what happened in that game? What alignment was lian in that game? | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So what? Do you think he's going to intentionally make his own life harder by claiming a role for no reason as mafia or what? To summarize this: sl is most likely town because his play would make absolutely no sense as scum. | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote: He's mafia because of meta at least in my eyes. Also seemed to get ticked off a little bit easier this game than in Carol too. That's some really flawed meta, though. I can definitely see lian being mafia but not for that. | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:17 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so how would you see Lian as Mafia? On January 10 2015 15:45 Eden1892 wrote: First thought is LOL at trying to do vca on this. Two wagons, one town, the other unknown, clear majority, only outlier vote is confirmed town b/c she was shot right afterward. No layups In situations like these where the main wagon is town and we don't know the other wagon, we first want to look at the rationale people gave for their votes. The first person I notice is myself, because I didn't give any, because I'm a donkey and I slept through EOD and only managed to slap a fast vote down to avoid mod sanction. No johns, I suck, sorry guys. Instead I'm going to look at the other people who coasted on the lead wagon. First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen. Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left. === Other notes: - sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read. - Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts. - batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does. - Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that. === That's all I feel like doing right now, I'll do more later on but this seems good enough to start with. Town: me, Obi, HTS, SL, LS, bats Mafia: Oats, lian TBD: Breshke, lollipop, derg, Doc | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:41 lalalipop wrote: I don't know how to read oats. Are you sure about oats? I'm not 100% sure about him being scum, no, but I think he has a good chance of flipping scum and is a good lynch. | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:48 Breshke wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote lightningstrike seriously? | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I just said this was a problem but nobody wants to switch. Much irritating. Not sure about this. breshke does look pretty bad for that, though. | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Your reads don't make sense and you have too many people as questionable for shoddy reasons. i think his reads make sense btw (apart from the reads on you and sl) | ||
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On January 12 2015 13:19 sicklucker wrote: Mderg probably a good lynch too. He just sheeped me and I was wrong. I did what!? | ||
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On January 12 2015 15:30 sicklucker wrote: Nothing thats the point. You followed me onto 1 town. You also lynch a town. All on the same day. You also got the lynch of lolipop Like what are you talking about? About half my filter is about HTS without you having anything to do about it. Seems like you're imagining yourself as more important than you actually are. | ||
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On January 12 2015 15:52 sicklucker wrote: Well mderg you push only towns this game. If I were not a power role id kill me too. If that's your case, you don't have to lie about me sheeping you, though. The only person I sheeped is eden. | ||
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Also assuming that lalalipop is town which is very likely my play on D2 would make absolutely no sense from a scum perspective. Imagine a scum sees that a townie in lalalipop is getting lynched. Of course the first thought that comes to mind is pushing for a lynch on a different townie in oats and get him lynched. Of course scum would do that because there's no way that I'm held responsible for that. If lalalipop was scum, my play would certainly be sensible scumplay but as luck has it Breshke got shot and pretty much confirmed lalalipop as town. This means that as scum I'd have risked being held responsible for a mislynch instead of just quietly sitting on a town wagon with little to no opposition. That would just be stupid play. As a side note: Having had a scumread on Breshke after that stunt he pulled in no way makes anyone town. Breshke would have been a very obvious lynch and thus an obvious bus. | ||
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On January 13 2015 23:39 sicklucker wrote: well mderg if breskes not shot people probably just lazyly vote lolipop tormorow so you could say mafias setting up two mislynches. Would it not be much easier to just let lalalipop get lynched first without getting too much attention and after that getting the mislynch on oats? It's just much less risky to not start the wagon on oats in that position. You're way too focused on killing me for pretty much just having wrong scumreads. It makes no sense at all. | ||
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- being a dick on purpose early in the game - on day1 voting VA despite his two other scumreads also being on the wagon - on day2 voting drp without even mentioning him beforehand - repeatedly complaining about inactivity and lack of effort while not really doing much himself - wanting to lynch me without giving any reasoning at all - Breshke did defend him earlier Maybe I missed some things but I think that's enough to call him scum. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:40 lalalipop wrote: I just got on and now everyone agrees I'm town? I'm still up to kill lian btw, he is still one of my top scumreads. Since Breshke flipped mafia you're almost confirmed town. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:48 sicklucker wrote: So I wasint roleblocked last night which is interesting because that means mafia didnt believe my claim. This leaves me to believe one of lian or eden have to be mafia based on meta. It could also just be dr. and mderg and they acualy believed I was a miller but they cant be that stupid can they? Well whoever the mafia is didnt bother to read the roles because they wasted their roleblock on obi last night. based on what meta would that make lian or eden mafia? Also why would you have lian as town then? | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:52 sicklucker wrote: So what bats mafia didnt read it because they wasted their roleblock last night. The roles are terribly descibe and I had to ask the host to tell me what roles are in the game because I could barely read them. The role descriptions are perfectly fin, though. Every role is clear in the op. | ||
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I know that you like to fakeclaim, that's why I was wondering. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:58 mderg wrote: I know that you like to fakeclaim, that's why I was wondering. if there was anything else that only these two would know | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:09 liancourt wrote: just ignore SL bats and vote for mderg I'd still like to hear from you why you think I'm scum. | ||
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On January 14 2015 15:21 liancourt wrote: On day 1 all you talk about is HTS and even then you are just copying the content from SL You can say that I was sheeping Eden because it's true but I DID NOT SHEEP SL AT ALL IN THIS GAME! I DID NOT COPY HIS CONTENT AND I TAKE EVERYONE SAYING THAT I DID AS DIRECTlY INSULTING ME! I would be crazy to sheep that guy at all in any game. If you think I sheeped sl on HTS you should probably not play mafia again in your life. I also never tried to make Eden's comments about you look like my own content. There might be a reason I quoted the first post where Eden called you scum on day1 (hint: it's not because I want it to look like my own content). I also brought some of my own reasons to think you're scum. It should have been obvious to anyone paying attention to the game that I liked Eden's case on you. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:05 sicklucker wrote: I mostly ignored it because I think your mafia and hes obv town? Ill give it a good read before vote time and all of lians filter which is really the only filter ive ignored for awhile. You have really not read lian's filter and ignored a really good case on him just because you for some reason think he's town? Might as well stop playing after day1, if everything is just poe after that. | ||
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On January 14 2015 15:19 liancourt wrote: Scum reads me hts oats. 3 town agrees with his scum read and says he is up for drp lynch agrees with oats but still thinks he's a good lynch but not sure about it... where did his drp lynch go? you actually dont care who gets lynched because everyone is town. The only thing that could ever make me scum is the part about drp. Compared to you I'm confirmed town. | ||
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sicklucker Half the Sky LightningStrike Oatsmaster Breshke liancourt batsnacks DrParnassus lalalipop Eden1892 VayneAuthority mderg ObiWanShinobi NinjaBunnies Everyone colored green is confirmed town or almost certainly town. That leaves lian, batsnacks, drp, Eden and me. I am obviously town myself and I agree with a lot of the things Eden said, so I think he's also town. That leaves lian, batsnacks and drp as possible scum. I think lian and drp are way more likely to be scum than batsnacks. The reasons for lian being scum are already in the thread, drp was very unmemorable in the thread, I don't even really know what his reads were. He voted himself on day1 and lalalipop on day2 both of these votes don't really point towards him being town. lian did have both Breshke and drp as scum at some point in the game, though. This might point towards lian being town but I don't think it does. Considering that lian tried to appear controversial and look like a dick this game, some distancing like that is certainly possible early in the game. It's not like those two were under any real pressure and lian did not push any of them, so the danger was pretty much nonexistent. | ||
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On January 14 2015 21:47 DrParnassus wrote: idk about mderg right now but i'm pretty sure lian is town why are you so sure about that? | ||
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On January 09 2015 06:49 Breshke wrote: I also don't like mderg much. Calling out HTS on tone and filler when arguably NB has the same problem but he doesn't seem to have a problem with her. On January 09 2015 06:50 Breshke wrote: I also can't remember anything mderg has done other than try and push the lynch on HTS right now just throwing this out there | ||
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On January 14 2015 22:17 DrParnassus wrote: hi mderg. right now I'm voting for you without any reasons other than that I'm not town reading on you and the lian lynch is bad. but I think there's still time to swing it around if you're town so if you're town please tell me who the mafia are. I don't think you will like this but mafia is most likely between lian, you and batsnacks with lian. And I like batsnacks more than lian and you. | ||
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On January 14 2015 22:19 mderg wrote: I don't think you will like this but mafia is most likely between lian, you and batsnacks. And I like batsnacks more than lian and you. EBWOP | ||
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I think he's town. Mostly because I agree with a lot of the things he says. | ||
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On January 14 2015 22:24 liancourt wrote: now that we've established i am in fact town can we plz lynch mderg That's not established at all. | ||
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On January 14 2015 22:25 DrParnassus wrote: well if I were to decide you're town and take my vote off of you that's probably who the vote would have to go to Wouldn't be much better than what the situation is now. | ||
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On January 14 2015 22:51 LightningStrike wrote: I forgot that scum called HTS,Lian, and mderg town and he was right on 2 of thewm on flip alone. Normally scum would try to defend the weaker players (HTS and mderg) and someone being scum read by some people (Lian). ##Unvote I don't understand what you're trying to say here. | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:09 LightningStrike wrote: TLDR: If scum says a player is town they 90% they are town. I don't think that's true. Also the one flipped scum did not call me town iirc. | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:10 liancourt wrote: mderg what do u think about drp? eden what do u think about drp? On January 14 2015 19:27 mderg wrote: drp was very unmemorable in the thread, I don't even really know what his reads were. He voted himself on day1 and lalalipop on day2 both of these votes don't really point towards him being town. On January 14 2015 20:57 mderg wrote: DrP would be my second target which should actually be obvious. Meaning he looks pretty scummy. | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:21 LightningStrike wrote: After taking a second look through Lians filter and rereading Breshkes filter I got a town read on Lian. There is mostly stuff only town way. What exactly makes lian look like town? | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:28 DrParnassus wrote: i think i'm going to sleep. i will probably wake up befre d line but i'm leaving my vote on mderg because i've been in the thread with both of them (mderg + lian) for a decent time now and lian has put way more effort into figuring out my alignment and/or getting me to be productive ##Vote DrParnassus | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:28 DrParnassus wrote: i think i'm going to sleep. i will probably wake up befre d line but i'm leaving my vote on mderg because i've been in the thread with both of them (mderg + lian) for a decent time now and lian has put way more effort into figuring out my alignment and/or getting me to be productive This is probably the most bs post of the entire game. | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:44 DrParnassus wrote: mderg lian All he did was threatening to vote you, if you don't step up. That's no meaningful interaction at all. | ||
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On January 14 2015 19:27 mderg wrote: So far we're at this: sicklucker Half the Sky LightningStrike Oatsmaster Breshke liancourt batsnacks DrParnassus lalalipop Eden1892 VayneAuthority mderg ObiWanShinobi NinjaBunnies Everyone colored green is confirmed town or almost certainly town. That leaves lian, batsnacks, drp, Eden and me. I am obviously town myself and I agree with a lot of the things Eden said, so I think he's also town. That leaves lian, batsnacks and drp as possible scum. I think lian and drp are way more likely to be scum than batsnacks. The reasons for lian being scum are already in the thread, drp was very unmemorable in the thread, I don't even really know what his reads were. He voted himself on day1 and lalalipop on day2 both of these votes don't really point towards him being town. lian did have both Breshke and drp as scum at some point in the game, though. This might point towards lian being town but I don't think it does. Considering that lian tried to appear controversial and look like a dick this game, some distancing like that is certainly possible early in the game. It's not like those two were under any real pressure and lian did not push any of them, so the danger was pretty much nonexistent. On January 14 2015 22:19 mderg wrote: I don't think you will like this but mafia is most likely between lian, you and batsnacks with lian. And I like batsnacks more than lian and you. On January 14 2015 22:23 mderg wrote: I think he's town. Mostly because I agree with a lot of the things he says. On January 14 2015 22:28 mderg wrote: Wouldn't be much better than what the situation is now. On January 14 2015 23:19 mderg wrote: Meaning he looks pretty scummy. | ||
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On January 15 2015 03:02 Eden1892 wrote: Plenty? Pretty sure the thrust of it is "I'm not sheeping Eden," which I'm not sure I'm inclined to believe since he explicitly sad he was a couple times. I don't normally mind sheeping but: (1) I haven't caught a mafia yet so there's nothing definitively distinguishing town from mafia. It's easy for mafia to sheep town onto town, harder for mafia to sheep town onto mafia. (2) I have so many strong town reads that someone who isn't one of them and whose reads are in large part sheeped from me is more likely than normal to be mafia sheeping me. I guess being pretty sure is not enough, then. You might want to reread, if that's what you take from my posts today. | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:30 DrParnassus wrote: huh this is potentially really bad That's interesting | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:50 sicklucker wrote: Lian your here to hammer to save yourself... right? I don't think he would be lynched, if the day ended right now. The vote count is still wrong, there are 2 votes counted from me | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:57 DrParnassus wrote: don't let eden's headstrong bs fool you, he doesn't actually have reads He did make cases at least. There's still a chance that Eden is scum but I find that really unlikely. | ||
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On January 16 2015 08:43 batsnacks wrote: You didn't actually believe SL would be killed. Why would SL ever be the nk? not really but I think I remember reading something about a sig bet | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:28 sicklucker wrote: If this is how mderg plays town I still want to kill him out of spite. I think giving up is a mafia trait but I dont really have the experience to know. giving up is not a mafia trait. I don't know where this myth comes from but I see that thrown around way too much (both giving up and fighting to the end don't indicate shit). You're refusal to actually think about the players in the game is the reason that I don't think a town win is possible. You had your reads at some point and just stuck with them never really thinking about other possibilities. There was never even a proper case on me and somehow everyone thinks I'm scum because they can't imagine a mafia team without me or something. What makes me scum, though? The only one to even think about that is lian. Think a bit about the night kills for example. Night 1 and night 2 kills both worked against me. 27nb seemed to think HTS was scum because of my case, OWS called me town. Why would I kill those two, when they helped push my agenda? I wouldn't. Yet sicklucker is still alive despite being "confirmed" town pr and calling me scum about a million times. I don't see any half competent scum making these decisions in my position. /end rant I think our best option is to sleep today. Is there a reason for not doing that today? Even with someone dying our situation doesn't really change because every townie has to be on the right wagon either way. Sleeping might even give us some more valuable information like sicklucker surviving yet again with an absolutely useless check. | ||
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I still think that we should sleep today. There's a chance that we can get some new information after the night, it's unlikely but possible. It's not like we have really anything to lose. | ||
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On January 18 2015 04:50 sicklucker wrote: mderg vote eden? I'd prefer to lynch liancourt. Unless someone makes an awesome case on Eden I'm only voting him to save myself. | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:03 sicklucker wrote: Thats not actually true because both your most likely partners are voting each other and taking the vote off you... But is anyone actually trying anything to save me? No. | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:07 sicklucker wrote: Because theres 3 likely mafia in this game. The other two eden/lian are trying to get votes off you.... This makes you very likely mafia. More likely with eden That's exactly the problem I have with this game right now. Nobody is actually thinking about my play and how that fits to either alignment. Everyone just has me as scum based on association or something. There's no case about my play, just people saying I would fit into this scumteam or that scumteam. | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:14 sicklucker wrote: Im starting too and the fact your most likely partners are voting to save you makes you not look good. Its hard to make a case on you as town because theres so little content. You giving up could just be a ploy and your clearly not giving up. What do you mean with "there's so little content"? There's not less content from me than from pretty much everyone else. You are the only one in this game with a longer filter than me. Did I ever say that I'd give up? I don't think we can win this anymore but I don't want to see that happen without doing anything. If you can make a case on me that focuses on MY play, I might not call you absolutely awful after the game. | ||
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His scumreads D1 were LS, OWS and VA while he had a townread on batsnacks. Incidentally all his scumreads have flipped town and batsnacks is still a possible scum. He was also coming of as a dick and got some hostile atmosphere into the thread. I would call that day pretty anti town. On D2 he made a listpost calling drp, lalalipop and Breshke scum, everybody else town. He then does pretty much nothing while complaining about the thread. He ends up voting drp for whatever reasons. The only positive thing I'm seeing so far is having Breshke as scum but he didn't push him at all and had no further interaction with him. So that doesn't strike me as townie at all. After that he makes a case on lalalipop but drops it after some time. He moves on to me as his scumread without giving any reasons at all, omgus or sheeping sl? He later gives some reasons, mainly naming me scumreading 3(2) towns (seems to happen when only townies are lynched) and me sheeping Eden. I'm biased ofc but I don't think it's a strong case at all especially considering that he himself had quite some townies as scumreads and only jumps on me after sl started pushing me. Then he also pressures Eden (I'm not entirely sure but I think this was also after sl called Eden scum). It feels like after sl was townread by everyone, he was pretty much always on the same boat as him. That I find very suspicious. He was also trying hard to appear controversial and often trying to blame others for whatever went wrong. Overall that makes him my top scumread. ##Vote liancourt | ||
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What if sucklucker is scum? What's the reason we all see him as town? It's mainly because of his claim(s).He also has a huge ass filter but whatever. His uncc'd tracker claim pretty much confirms him as town but there's way that scum would have no fear of being cc'd at all. If they don't have to chose who makes the kill at night, they can be 100% sure that there's neither tracker nor watcher in this game. Being basically confirmed town would then give him a free pass to push scum agenda without anyone doubting him at all. It's actually very unlikely that this is the case. sicklucker is most likely town but I just wanted to throw this out here to sound smart, if this turns out to be true. | ||
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On January 18 2015 06:36 mderg wrote: Just throwing out this theory: What if sucklucker is scum? What's the reason we all see him as town? It's mainly because of his claim(s).He also has a huge ass filter but whatever. His uncc'd tracker claim pretty much confirms him as town but there's way that scum would have no fear of being cc'd at all. If they don't have to chose who makes the kill at night, they can be 100% sure that there's neither tracker nor watcher in this game. Being basically confirmed town would then give him a free pass to push scum agenda without anyone doubting him at all. It's actually very unlikely that this is the case. sicklucker is most likely town but I just wanted to throw this out here to sound smart, if this turns out to be true. You should all be able to see how desperate I am after reading this. | ||
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I'm saying it again: This lynch is either scum controlled or scum is completely fine with it. | ||
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