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"Its weekend and nobody got time for that" Palmar gets lynched d1 | ||
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I've been having mafia withdrawls | ||
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Also your break was shorter than you said liar. | ||
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cause of mine and geripts history where he takes mee a bit to serious at points. Like he told me to post seals one time and I did and he went a bit nuts was a bit funny. I think he was scum that game but I think he would do the same as town. | ||
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framer and big for scum looks like | ||
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@eden meh I suppose so. @geript, I ask because last time you did suvch and made the claim of reading x player the best you were scum so it leaves me with an odd feeling in my tummy | ||
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The ritoky and Dr. H fight wasn't as pointless as people think. It left a very distinct taste in my mouth about both of their alignments. In carol (Ritokys most recent mafia game) I caught ritoky for being super passive, with no follow up and no real push early on to speak of and only when confronted with this information he would passively give a wall of text to explain away what he was doing. You can look at Season of a witch I believe and see the same thing in his scum game. So i'm leaning more town on ritoky due to the fact that he said someone was acting scummy and went after said person instead of dropping it, he had really good follow up at this point even if the avenue he went down was really a different approach than what I probably would of done. Dr H reaction to some of the things left me feeling a bit weird. Firstly he seems to have a deep suspicion of Ritoky after the conversation is starting to calm down a bit and even says that Ritoky looks bad. But you never really get a sense about what his read is, their really is no follow up besides DrH saying that he is just going to ignore Ritoky trying to do things from this point forward, which he ends up trying to explain himself a few posts later but then drops it. From all of the interaction with Ritoky (good or bad) he should of been able to formulate some form of opinion on Ritokys alignment. And yet right after the fight has affectingly ended he calls Geript scum but never pushes it at all and then moves on to chyz. Im going to put him in the leaning scum category here. Geript just lacks something right now, hes not quite as posty as he normally would be and is really tight lipped about his thoughts. Also his post about being ableto read Palmar koshi etc really ruffled me a bit and reminded me a lot about when he was scum in russia. Hes in the leaning scum category presently | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:56 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Damdred. Marv and you just gave meta reads on ritoky that are the exact opposite of each other for the same game. Do I really need to read his filter there now? Sadly you might need to, I think Marvs view on that game is slightly twisted due to him being a cohost and having perfect information and seeing things differently than what someone playing would see. I caught him to no follow up in that game then he shot me </3 | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:58 Lazermonkey wrote: This doesn't make any sense what so ever. I'm sorry. Hes asking you if you have thoughts on the three people who are getting a good bit of discussion going atm, if one person is scummy for not being able t do this are you scum. | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey Could you one talk more about lazer deserves your vote over someone say Robik who is typically a ton more posty as town. We have posted a ton of stuff on geript what is your thoughts about it? Why are you taking this stance without even attacking kels case or any of the other things people have posted? And finally the bolded how was his entrance better....he claimed town by first post that seems such a weird thing to incluce | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote: Damdred are you just questioning Chyz right now or do you scumread Robik? Do you think Chyz knows Robiks meta? I'm just questioning Chyz. I don't know Chyz experience with robik but he brought him up and wrote him off pretty easily. I'm undecided about Robik right now. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote: I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way. By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him. Well I point you to Kels post if you haven't read it. The case is pretty decent for this early,do you just write that off as no substance? How many games have you played with geript so far? I can understand the stance on robik, but he is more lurky as mafia i'm not sure if i've ever seen him lurk as town. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that? | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such. Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him. Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This post is proof the chyz is scum basically. How are you all not seeing this Explain why its scum, and while you are at it give us a read on ritoky | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Everyone read this again. Thechyz has yet to contribute a thought out read or try scumhunting. All his votes are jist omgus and hes still telling people he suspects them basically for not scumhunting or having strong reads. It doesn't get much worse. There is no reason we should not lynch thechyz day 1. Then why aren't you voting him? All of this push and you aren't voting? | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Soo, about the 3 "protagonists" Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though. DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today. rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:44 marvellosity wrote: can you tell me what was "really good" about the followup, damdy? Sure he didn't say things and let them die like he did in his two scum games I showed. Look in carol mafia his first few posts were mainly fluffand then he made a point about froggy, believe it was, and then he never even mentioned it again until he was called out for lack of follow up. Here he does not have that at all. He is ready to go doesn't drop what he sees and presses that angle until its over. To me that's good followup to try to figure out someone's alignment even if it is down a odd angle | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote: We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters. I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read. However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What's the point of this question? Do you have a scumread on Koshi? Just trying to figure out your motivations herr | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:17 justanothertownie wrote: The fact that people are talking about does not mean that you said anything of value. I kinda agree that ritoky said nothing of value. I think I somewhat disagree, I think its valuable because of being able to figure out alignments. But that's not exactly my point. The point is laz is giving drh a free pass for the day even though he says deh says a lot of bad things but its more of a null read. (reads like setting up a mislynch later) The Eden read seems like a scum read without any real conclusions. And the rit part is just null. I just don't like where he's going and seems made up a bit | ||
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Some thoughts @SL, I think you are drawing conclusions based off something that is a nonissue to this game. There was a specific mechanic that Ritoky used for his aggressive push which...turned out to be a dud in that case since his earlier game presence was so weak and he was caught the day or so before being useless. I don't see aggression by itself to be necessarily towny or scummy but the way he went about it and trying to figure things out for himself looked different then any scum game i've seen him play in. @Dr H. You seem to be scum reading geript currently is that correct? Also yu seem to be forming scum and town reads based off on support or disagreement with your case. Don't you think thats a bit dangerous since townies can disagree with points? @Eden, Right now i'm in the camp of wanting lazzermonkey to be dead. His initial posting in the thread was highly opportunistic at the time of his entrance it seems to me. There was decent pressure on chez (as well as all game) and it was the easy thing to do and it led straight to a vote. He also says that chyz is guilty of looking active but not really pushing the thread forward. And he is guilty of this as well every time he posts it seems to just fit right into where the thread is at at the moment without pushing it towards anything really. He always agrees it seems, and his reads just feel really fabricated at the time his null reads that he said he wouldn't make up just feel made up to me. | ||
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On January 01 2015 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why dont u pick apart lazermonkeys filter damdred? Otherwise your case is worthless My case is only worthless if the thread sees it as worthless and not worth discussing. Posting a few quotes here and there do not make a case worthwhile or fun. So instead of trying to act one way why don't you read what I wrote and respond in a consructive manner | ||
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I guess thats good for you | ||
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I know how to strengthen and push my read and it isn't ramming it down the threads throat, I can just as easily compose a case on someone with or without quotes. The filter is there to see if I took things out of context or not, it has opinions in it thats why we talk about things. | ||
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On January 01 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I've started reading the game a bit before New Years Eve and I must say I don't like DrH opening, geripts call on damdred and I have a slight townread on Eden. Which geripts call on me? | ||
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@GB, what do you think about it do you feel like he was blue fishing making a joke? | ||
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Firstly his entrance to the thread was extremely safe and while he comes in with this On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Its not really groundbreaking and by this point Chyz has been talked into the ground by multiple people (drH above all others), and it follows thread sentiment a bit about chyz being scummy. On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote: I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk. I was scum that game. follows thread sentiment here that Robik could be scum, compares what robik is doing here to something he does in a scum game. It rubs me the wrong way and makes me think that its trying to throw dirt and see what sticks. On January 01 2015 00:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Its not necesarily wrong with making a post saying that a discussion is stupid. The problem is when the only post you have is a post calling a discussion stupid. Why is it, after all the of the discussion and multiple people calling out rikoty, that all Chyz did was saying that the discussion was stupid? Just like Artanis said, why say "do something usefull" and proceed to do nothing yourself? Granted, he did put up some reads later but only after he was called out. Don't you think there is a scum motive in trying to look active while not really pushing the thread forward? Because I would argue that is what Chyz did. The bolded portion of this post is something that I feel lazer is guilty of, in his posts previous to this and this he hasn't really pushed things forward and has just seemed to be actively trying to do things while he sheeps the thread. On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Soo, about the 3 "protagonists" Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though. DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today. rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. And mainly these three reads that he was asked for feel totally made up, he was asked specifically about them since a lot of the discussion was made about it and his reasoning for each seemed a bit off to me. On January 01 2015 03:57 Lazermonkey wrote: I dislike Koshi this far. Not only does his reads seem pretty off but he doesn't push geript one single bit, despite the fact that he is voting greipt. If you are town and think someone is scum but noone else is voting that person, you push that person. Koshi is not doing that. I have to go now, will be able to post more tomorrow. More sheeping thread seniment, the thread started turning against koshi and Lazer dislikes koshi. Overall to me it just seems like scum trying to blend in. | ||
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@bats, maybe but I think that their is a slight difference between parroting things you agree with and just blending in to the thread. The way you did it leads to conversations the way laser did it leads to nothing imo. Most of his reads feel forced and noncommittal while I can't say that about you | ||
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Kel you might have to convince me more that bats is scum, I can remember his posts so I don't think I would want to lynch him today. | ||
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Aren't you being guilty of what you charged koshi with not pushing your scum read, feels like you are afraid of calling koshi scum and sticking to it. and you feel way to agreeable | ||
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On January 02 2015 01:36 Lazermonkey wrote: Because I think what Artanis posted was relevant maybe? Not sure why you think I don't want to lynch geript? I just said I'm super cool with killing him! Explain why what art posted was able to change your mind so much? | ||
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On January 02 2015 01:43 Lazermonkey wrote: lol. I'm done talking with you. Its obvious that I agree with what he said, the fact that you are not grasping this is beyond me. I thought it was a good point and thats why I changed my opinion on him. If you agree or not with Artanis thats another story. But why hold the fact that I changed my opinion against me? Would you like it better if I tunneled the shit out of Koshi no matter what? I asked you a simple question to explain your thought process i'm not trying to argue that the post was good by Artanis. I was asking you for your opinion and explanation, not sure why you got so defensive | ||
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Part one of your case and part three are pretty weak. Part three I think is the weakest because it is a flawed meta read comparing a game that is over a year old with a game that is current, He doesn't even have a ton of games posted on this site so its really hard for me to give credence to such a meta read, newbies change their meta and since its been a year since he last played here it is logical to think that his play would of changed or that he has rust and is getting back in it. So part three doesn't make him mafia I think. Part one, I just don't think it makes him mafia. Townies can be really guilty of that as time goes along and it was really early in the game at that point. Part two is probably your strongest point and it isn't really that bad, more time has passed in the thread and there is plenty of context. Question as i'm reading through it are you just trying to compare two lower activity players in lazzer and chy? It feels a bit out of place in the case and threw me off a bit. Besides that it does read like he is seeking approval and the lie you caught him in looks bad i will give you that. You put a good bit of work in but i'm just not sure if that makes him mafia necessarily. | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:45 KelsierSC wrote: meh I read that as more frustration with DrH tunneling on him and having garbage reads. In fact he prefaces it, as such. seems more like a joke to me Meh, I could see that. Either way like I said I don't think it makes him mafia in either case as townies can do that as well. | ||
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Quick thought list I do not think i would lynch Chy today yea his going away post was kind of meh but he put the effort in to at least do it and his frustration really seems like its honest, and the tunnel on him this game is way different then the game he is linked to I think. Its way more concentrated here and I don't think he really can do much when hes being called scum for almost half the posts every page. Koshi really brought up something good about vivax I think but i'm not sure that i like how geript is marching to his death here either. | ||
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SL what about the framer and millers? Do you think mafia really reacts the way that he did here? | ||
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I can see a scum bats doing this | ||
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Sure hes totally forgettable when hes not actually in the thread, most of what he said in the thread is parroted (which he himself has admitted to). Most of his posts are extremly strucutured and formulaic he has nothing crazy like normal bats would do. He has no reads or thoughts that I can really see and hasn't come to many conclussions if any | ||
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I stand by the reasoning I used and I still think it was valid. And I think that this looked closer to his scum game than his town game. | ||
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Honestly I think that a game that JAT linked I believe (FFL2) has a hidden gem in it that had little to do with batsnacks, but with superbia instead. Superbia is scum in that game and barely posts at all if you compare it to almost any town game super is so much more posty and as scum usually just posts minimual and afks the vote somewhere. This is a good place to find scum. | ||
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My initial premise is incorrect when I go over the other games. After some consideration I decided to throw out ffl2 for a couple of reasons, it was not normal for superbia in the sense that he replaced in during the night phase of d1 after batsnacks had gotten lynched for being unrememberable and a few other things (bats was scum here) and had a good many pages to catch up on. Rayn got killed during the night and robik and myself got mod killed (I was mafia) so super really did not have time to spam up the game in any way. In the newbie games and fanfic it was about the same length, mostly consisting on one liners and some insightful thoughts. Usually came out to 3 pages or so a day besides the 2nd newbie where he averaged 4 pages or so. Which is right in line with his town play but always put his thoughs out their from what i read. I did notice that even in the game i think isn't good for analysis amount of posts that super likes to bus a bit and make list posts that generally are scum reading all the team mates so if we lynch superbia at any point and he flips scum ritoky is a good place to look, but now isn't the time for associative reads. The other thing was that besides ffl2 the posting was about on the same pace as the town games but mostly going with the flow. Soon as super starts posting more I can determine better but I haven't seen in any games super play the lurky role. | ||
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But yea, JAT is never getting lynched. He was the only person during the bats lynch that was getting cold feet in any way, he even mentioned it several times I think it was how people were coming from everywhere to vote bats. Bats play this game was really different from his town games lately I made a post about why I think it resembled his scum game and it really does. And at the end he wasn't really plaing he was dodging questions and all. | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:30 KelsierSC wrote: right... so whats the point? dam who are the scum who voted on bats The point is that, I told Koshi (as I said before) that I was goin to check out superbias past games and try to find if this sort of lurking and sticking votes is alignment indicative because of a past experience I had in ffl2. And I posted the results I found and I was wrong. Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik These are the people who voted bats. I think that SL, Robik had the least amount of reasons to jump on bats. Some of the reasons that they posted were that they were sheeping basically. Eden and myself look the worst because we told everyone who was thinking about jumping to sit and wait for the flip. SL I think would be the scum there especially since he was the hammer vote I believe and even though he stated he wanted to hammer geript he didn't do it then sounded pretty smug after the flip. | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Damdred from the looks of the wagons, it didn't look like either of geript or Chyz would have made it over the line even with Doc's vote. What do you mean "he could have hammered one of his top two scumreads"? ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp] DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshi geript (6): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, [s]sicklucker[s/], [s]Eden1892[s/], batsnacks marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp] Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, Batsnacks IAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP] sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (2): Koshi, geript Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Take off Docs vote or SL vote and both hammer geript and doc right afterwards says hes still goin to tunnel x | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I hit the panic button, bats looks really bad to me all of a sudden so recency bias i guess. I'm not sure if i'm buying this exactly, you spent all day yelling about chy and geript basically as a scum team less of the day about geript obviously and you were about to get what you wanted and geript dead and switched to bats? I don't take you for a panic button presser | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum? I've never played with Dr. H before so I really can't comment on what he would do, however i've seen good scum players get 30 pages+of filters in game. And dr h spent the whole day tunneling one person and almost all of his posts are about that one person and geript then he switched and pushed dirt on people and took none of the blame himself and claims he panic'd. It just leaves me suspicious of him. | ||
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usually this is a one liner that hes on a scum team with geript and chy or that he gives him the heebees along with koshi, artanis palmar etc., On January 02 2015 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think batsnacks is scum. I hate all of his posts but i didnt want to lose on chyz for a while. I know you're not asking me but id be glad to discuss batsnacks as scum since chyz and geript are practically locked for me This is the first time he calls bats scum, and goes on to elaborate in the same space On January 02 2015 04:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What jumped out to me about snacks at first is this: First off I feel very uncomfortable when people suggest lynching for other reasons than believing in the read. I also feel uncomfortable when people talk about a vote like they think of it as leverage or something. He picked out a post that eden had already thought made chyz seem town. I see no reason why a scum player would have a problem saying they changed their mind about a player who defended them. He wasn't under any real pressure and it's not like Koshi was gonna save him or anything lol. The thread already had major heat on Koshi at the time too. and On January 02 2015 04:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: plus this: if he got town points from eden he got town points from you for the same thing seeing as you both liked thechyz as town for the same reason. but you never really gave your reason why you thought that post made him town in the first place, just parroting eden. if he got town points from you that would imply you genuinely believed it was a town-indicative post so why would that be suspicious in the first place? wouldn't the more natural conclusion be that thechyz was just trying to ape the town sentiment anyway? that's not really the same thing, this is a really awkward and conspiratorial argument Not really sure i this is actually a scum read to me. Also he asks marv a question but never follows up on it from what I can see in his filter (i don't know if marv actually answered it or not) but dr. h never followed it up. Several times he talks to bats and unlike how he talks to his other scum reads its almost as if he knows hes talking to town rather than trying to find out bats alignment. And then finally when you get to the switch we go from. We shouldn't switch in the last hour, geript and chy should be the lynch to basically yolo batsnacks. To afterwards i'm still going to tunnel on X and its all hese other peoples fault not my own for doing this. I really struggle to see how scum doesn't do this. | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration) Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ. | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:33 justanothertownie wrote: Damdred I don't get it. There are several people on batsnacks who didn't really mention him earlier and you are going after Dr. H who like you just showed did? Cause something caught my eye in his filter, and all his shouting and what not earlier in the day just seems off now to me when he came off so fast on his top scums. | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What is my scum motivation for coming off geript? I'd like to kill him.on day 2, i was joking about thechyz earlier -_- To keep a suicidal geript around d2 or longer to get another mislynch in if hes town? Or if you are scum together to save a scum buddy? | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:33 justanothertownie wrote: Damdred I don't get it. There are several people on batsnacks who didn't really mention him earlier and you are going after Dr. H who like you just showed did? and VE asked me a question about what i meant and it got me looking at dr h filter a bit | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second. I won't argue with you that JAT is probably town here. and it is a good post. So tell me what you think about what i wrote. | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sure, it's possible, but the JAT I'm accustomed to is reactive. This was very proactive where it really wasn't necessary. He's been pretty much a universal townread for the town. Buying even more cred could actually be harmful to him later in the game as people will question why he's still alive. You mentioned how without the Chyz stuff his filter would look a lot less wordy, but that seems like a poor argument. He did make those posts and the amount of effort he's put into the game whilst never appearing disgenuine to me makes it so unlikely for him to be scum imo. That he went back on his word for not going for last minute shenanigans is worrisome, but in a completely different league compared to the arguments supporting a town Dr.H. Maybe I should drop it for now and work on someone else, i'd like other peoples opinions obviously. However, everyone says he put so much work into the chy stuff when he showed one game that was somewhat different made two different cases and spammed the thread with the same stuff over and over again i'm not exactly sure how thats putting in maximum effort for the good of the town? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:12 KelsierSC wrote: ok geript is mafia vigi and mafia need to preserve KP so they jump on bats to ensure geript doesn't die. That could be a reason. 3 people who have done nothing towny at all ( and SL who I have shown has played pretty scummy) come out with bad reasons to jump on a wagon and lynch town. They weren't so horrible when you were saying some of the same things earlier about how batsnacks was off but now you are coming in raising hell about how our reasons were shit? I generally have a good track record with bats and he was playing really really similarly to how he played in ffl2 to me and neat and tidy mafia. I gave my reasons sure now that hes flipped it sucks but he wasn't htat bad a lynch and why you are throwing dirt on people who lynched one of your scum reads idk. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:18 KelsierSC wrote: your read is just he played different in some other game. You basically did nothing else but just jumped on that last minute. why didn't you post this great read you had before. I think my read was more developed and delivered way before deadline time. Its hard to post things when you aren't here firstly, when I was here I did post things and interact. I arrived back to the game around 2:30 hours before lynch roughly, caught up with the game as I said I didn't like Chys lynch as I don't think mafia would do that. Then something about geripts last second town read and scum read and was seemingly trying to do a couple of things and ask questions so no i doubted that. Honestly I completely forgot almost that Bats was even in the game before he was mentioned and then I read his filter and his game looks like his scum game. You can piss and moan all you want but go look why we lynched him in ffl2 or look at neat and tidy it looks really close to here. | ||
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On January 03 2015 09:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Not finished reading so prehaps someone already picked up on this. Anyway, take a look at Damdreds filter after the lynch. I think its really wierd to the point where I think its scummy. I feel the targets he is trying to push have been wierd and get the feeling that he is posting more to seem to be contributing than actually trying to figure out scum. First, he talks about how he needs to get some sort of meta read on Superbia because he seems to see a connection. He then makes two posts about how he is looking at various games and then comes back with the conclusion that no connection was found. Why is it that he needs to SAY this in thread? Couldn't you just look it up and comment later on if he finds something interesting. Then he talks about how SL and Eden looked bad but also that DH looked wierd. Maybe its just me but its seems really wierd that he proceeds to post more about DH than about SL and Eden. I have a hard time to understand WHY you would choose to focus DH here instead of SL or Eden. I'm still catching up from work but I just had to stop at this post to correct what is being said. The second post shows that hes not really reading my filter since I explained twice at least to the thread. Koshi asked me what I found similar and to show what games I looked at, I took the time went to all of the documented games and showed what I looked at. Because I said something and was asked in response some questions that I delivered on. The last point however I think isa misrepresentation of what I said + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2015 03:35 Damdred wrote: The point is that, I told Koshi (as I said before) that I was goin to check out superbias past games and try to find if this sort of lurking and sticking votes is alignment indicative because of a past experience I had in ffl2. And I posted the results I found and I was wrong. Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik These are the people who voted bats. I think that SL, Robik had the least amount of reasons to jump on bats. Some of the reasons that they posted were that they were sheeping basically. Eden and myself look the worst because we told everyone who was thinking about jumping to sit and wait for the flip. SL I think would be the scum there especially since he was the hammer vote I believe and even though he stated he wanted to hammer geript he didn't do it then sounded pretty smug after the flip. I put a spoiler there to condense my post, the only time I mentioned Eden was that Eden and myself looked the worst for telling people to not jump and sit and wait for the flip. So its a bit of a twisting of what I said in my post. I have Eden as town, just pushing mislynches and telling people to stay makes you look bad. It is true that I talked the most about Dr H because I got caught up in a question and went on a filter diving questioning him for a bit then I left for work. So there is that. anyway catching up a bit and @SL, I looked at the four documented games in he database on superbia. Only has 2 mafia games and three town games posted I believe i'm not sure what game he was mafia in that you were in if you want to link me to that one i could expand my thoughts on that a bit but otherwise I just went with what I had. | ||
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@laser yes your point stands but I'm not sure what's wrong with me questioning someone who's actions I was trying to understand at that point and was here? | ||
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I'd have to look at the contexts but yes both things can happen during different parts of the day. Also I think I had just talked to bats during the first quote? | ||
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I think geript was odd and I think I had a light scum lean on him. Going into the lynch I was unsure if I wanted to lynch him based on a couple past incidents in other games and I'm not sure now the post he posted recently looks townish to me | ||
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On January 03 2015 13:42 KelsierSC wrote: alright. what did you think of the other people who voted on bats? did they feel town to you? I've had a town read on jat for awhile Eden is town I think, the vote analysis posts and the prodding posts make me feel good about Eden. I've made it clear I'm suspicious on Dr h especially leaving one of his top two scum alive Sl I think is super suspect with how he's been acting and jumping back and forth. robik idk he could be scum but more bullish for now. who am I missing | ||
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Dr h I was suspicious of before flip and thought his tunnel was bad Jat was town for me still is SL was more nulish going into the flip I think hadn't really looked at him that much no filtering him at that point. | ||
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maybe I should of sheeped but something just bothers me about the lynch | ||
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Every time we caught him almost was for the reasons that I posted. I think that the reasons at that point of the day were good and he was an ok lynch. I think you put to much into a point where I said I can remember to when bat faded where I forgot he was in the game both situations can exist ya know. I think it's pretty shit conclusion tbh for bad reasoning | ||
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I'm not even sure how this is productive just feels like you are trying to role me up to make myself look bad instead of interaction | ||
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Here's the deal, the nk do not clear or damn vivax honestly. Scum kills who they want generally going for super towny or dangerous people and I think Eden and koshi fit the bill for that. So it worries me people trying to clear justify based on them its really wifomy and doesn't help town at all. @kel you really don't have a case on me kel honestly. You have what you think are me jumping on bats with bad reasons and a context less post where I say where I'm don't want to lynch bats right now cause of x. Then it changes hours later? Peoples play across days change things happen or don't happen so I'm not sure how its even a lie but a changing situation. And if you are so worried about lying why are you letting laser get away with it on me? I am going to filter dive vivax soon as I get home to see what I can fins with an awake mins. | ||
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Kel please answer my question, even if it isn't pertinent to you I would appreciate it. On January 04 2015 02:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Like we let a guy who posted a baby seal see another day. I'm disappointed. I mean you go hard against vivax and then you post this and instead of following up on it and trying to push the discussion to it you go hard on vivax again? | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:28 KelsierSC wrote: Dam I'm guessing you quoted the wrong thing No, i asked you to go back and look what i wrote earlier then i moved on to asking ve what he was doing, should of page broke it i suppose but yea. | ||
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On January 04 2015 01:06 Damdred wrote: I just got up and finished catching up about to drop wife off at work then I'll be here all day. Here's the deal, the nk do not clear or damn vivax honestly. Scum kills who they want generally going for super towny or dangerous people and I think Eden and koshi fit the bill for that. So it worries me people trying to clear justify based on them its really wifomy and doesn't help town at all. @kel you really don't have a case on me kel honestly. You have what you think are me jumping on bats with bad reasons and a context less post where I say where I'm don't want to lynch bats right now cause of x. Then it changes hours later? Peoples play across days change things happen or don't happen so I'm not sure how its even a lie but a changing situation. And if you are so worried about lying why are you letting laser get away with it on me? I am going to filter dive vivax soon as I get home to see what I can fins with an awake mins. | ||
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On January 03 2015 09:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Not finished reading so prehaps someone already picked up on this. Anyway, take a look at Damdreds filter after the lynch. I think its really wierd to the point where I think its scummy. I feel the targets he is trying to push have been wierd and get the feeling that he is posting more to seem to be contributing than actually trying to figure out scum. First, he talks about how he needs to get some sort of meta read on Superbia because he seems to see a connection. He then makes two posts about how he is looking at various games and then comes back with the conclusion that no connection was found. Why is it that he needs to SAY this in thread? Couldn't you just look it up and comment later on if he finds something interesting. Then he talks about how SL and Eden looked bad but also that DH looked wierd. Maybe its just me but its seems really wierd that he proceeds to post more about DH than about SL and Eden. I have a hard time to understand WHY you would choose to focus DH here instead of SL or Eden. On January 03 2015 22:48 Lazermonkey wrote: And, to avoid missunderstanding, its not because of what I posted yesterday but moreso about that he is really avoiding all relevant discussion and not scum hunting. He is responding to everyone when they are attacking him or asking him questions and yes, you can see that he has scum reads. But he doesn't seem to give a shit about getting them lynched. Twice now hes lied about me or misrepresented the facts at least. I called him out for the first post and he took it back basically, the second post is misrepresenting again. I obviously gave a shit about getting a scum read lynched since you know i lynched batsnacks which is the heaet i'm getting. I haven't avoided relevant discussion i've been involved in most of everything while i've been here, its just a total misrepresentation and I know you think i'm scum but why are you letting him slide by for it when you are so gun ho on me? | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:50 KelsierSC wrote: I don't disagree with what he has been saying though. Indont really know why you went and analysed super. And yeh i think at the time the group of sl,Eden and drh drh was, unfortunately , the most town. The second point I don't disagree with either. You disagree with him on the way you have been playing but i don't think he is deliberately mid interpreting you. In my mind you haven't really scum hunted at all. I mean, do you think you have projected a strong town game and anyone who scum reads you is lying? Actually yes, i think i've played decently well especially for being on a holiday thats generally one of my busiest of the year with family and with the business. Besides that i've poked holes in people (early post of lazer) poked at dr h, did teh super thing because koshi asked for references. Dr. H is only super town to you because he has a super long filter honestly You don't disagree with it because you are biased towards me, you are just being hypocritical in the extreme. | ||
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On January 04 2015 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I sorta like this too. But honestly the thought of lynching anyone but geript makes my ass twitch. VE what are you talking about here? You have a vote on vivax, and i pointed it out earlier, you barely mention geript today vote vivax and go hard at vivax without really pushing geript? | ||
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On January 04 2015 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote: marv and Palmar are both on Vivax, whom I also enjoy a lynch on. You think I can convince marv and Palmar to do anything? Ever? This is a lame excuse there are more than just marv and palmar in the thread doing things | ||
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On January 04 2015 05:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv and Palmar (strong players people sheep) are on Vivax, whom I am also interested in lynching. My only gripe with geript is that his recent play is ballsack compared to his play at the beginning and he posted what I perceive to be a baby seal. That's not a super strong case to convince people, but it's more than enough to convince me. So for the mentally handicapped who continue to question my vote: I'm voting for Vivax, an equally fine lynch in my opinion, so that I don't have to convince players who don't listen to me ever to switch their vote. you ninja'd me. Palmar was content with killing geript yesterday he had a case on geript people still think geript is scum i'm not sure why you are acting so defeated in pushing that lynch though or thinking its impossible? | ||
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Vivax has said some good things today, things that I think are logically accurate and look like its coming from someone playing the game like the robik post I was pointing at earlier. I think the whole JAT thing looks a bit weird because I think JAT is town and its a weird person to look at but I really can't say that since I was looking at Dr H and was poking at VE earlier. Picking on targets that are town read is not mafia indicative in itself. I'm not really feeling this lynch for the ease of it and vivax actually putting forward an effort, i've only played with mafia vivax once I think and he falls off pretty hard as time passes and it seems the opposite here. I think i'd be happier with a lazer or a superbia lynch. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vivax has put in 0 effort I disagree with this, even if hes poking at a universal town read thats stiill doing something, while the fighting isn't useful for town he is doing something even though he knows hes more than likely being lynched. I fully expect him to give a full list of reads at some point though. On January 04 2015 07:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can you post your reasons for wanting a Lazer lynch? You made a case back on D1 but a lot of things have happened since then. Sure, I think he misrepresents things on purpose to make people look worse, my earlier case I think still stands and he is overtly defensive whenever he gets attacked. Instead of giving reads on people and trying to poke and question them to figure them out he tunnels people when they start receiving attention. If you look at his filter it looks like the reason his main focus shifted to me was because Kel started in on me and called me scum and thats when the barrage really came full force. I really do not think hes scum hunting in this regard either, for example he posed a list of things i'm not doing and instead of showing how i'm not logically doing this he said go check my filter, and doing this he has painted me in a scummy light trying to influence people to read my filter in that way instead of showing it himself. Feels like he is trying to bias people in that sense. My earlier case still is their on him as well. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: When 6 people vote immediately I tend to think "confident" "hes town cause he already has this read" Scum feel the need to say hey wait a minute guys....we all know there is a lot of time left today. Many other things are being discussed. Who is in a huff about an afk lynch? The least active people in this thread are all people not voting for vivax lol I disagree with this pretty much entirely. Piling up votes on someone minutes into a day favor mafia especially, they can hide their votes without participating it gives town the incentive to not really look at anything else that is going on, (lazy aspect of town) this leads to complacency. we probably will disagree with each other, but an afk lynch is a bad lynch 100% of the time. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote: His eod vote. If gerits town robiks 100% town no reason to make that switch in a two town race bad players see that as scummy . Even if gerits not town its not that likely robik would throw in that preemptive vote to keep his partner from getting hammered because no one wanted to change at the time but it is possible just alot less likely. Robik can be confirmed with a gerit flip so we never kill robik before him anyway. Marv was the first to defend me so I give him mad town points hes been pretty useful regardless of his filter size. The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit. I really hate associative reads like this. The EOD vote really doesn't mean much it was a throw away vote when the lynch was basically secured and robik had to vote somewhere and sheeped it looked like. Robik isn't confirmed with any flip hes confirmed with the effort he puts in, but we will disagree on this like always. Explain to me how this is super useful marv? And do you have statistics to back up that sentence or is it just a gut feeling? To my knowledge palmar and marv haven't been mafia together in a long time if at all. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:01 justanothertownie wrote: How is it an afk lynch though? Not that this argument impresses me in any way. Nothing in this post makes any fucking sense. If geript is town Robik is most certainly not 100 % town. What is this retarded logic. Robik is not confirmed regardless of geripts flip. Marv was not very useful at all and there is no reason why Palmar and Marv should be tied together. So Robik is town? I guess the only afk on the lynch is Palmar, so its not as bad as I thought it was before I looked at votes. | ||
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I will not say this is a good point sl because it would mean i'm validating one of your theories. Do you understand what i'm saying? | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:08 sicklucker wrote: Why do jat and dandred not want to clear towns? i'm not sure exactly what you mean? | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:18 ritoky wrote: marv is still mafia too, his reads are really lazy and stale. still think it's: SL marv vivax vivax because that post by koshi on sequencing is really good, altho when i looked in the vote thread i had some hesitations. maybe i will uncover more as i catch up Why are you bein so lazy ritoky? You did no vote analysis on what happened yesterday and no thought process sabout whats going on now? You said SL is mafia but you have vivax down but you vote SL over vivax who is the vote leader? Shouldn't you be happy with whats going on? What are you doing? | ||
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I actually would rather lynch into super, lazer and ritoky now. Ritkys posts are just garbadge today and i don't think a town ritoky would come out so hard without being fully caught up to only have his opinon marginalized by people being able to cite hes to far behind to really know what hes talking about and the throw away vote. Super is just so angry and useless, i'd be totally ok with that. I've talked about lazer enough. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Damdred what do you think of GB? I've never seen GB this inactive idk if its because of travel or what. Even as mafia gb is active or more so then this, so idk | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can you go through his filter and actually look at what he's said though? I don't recall him being this superficial as town. I've looked through the filter and there really isn't much to pull from it. The later stuff we really don't know where GB has read up to but giving unsubstantiated reads in Palmar and Jat as mafia and laughed about the nk and peace'd out. Not sure says marv is mafia, votes geript in thread and not in vote thread votes vivax instead. It is superficial but i'm not sure if its scumbear or lazybear. | ||
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On January 04 2015 09:09 Superbia wrote: ritoky (1): TheChyz (2): DoctorHelvetica (0): geript (6): marvellosity (0): Lazermonkey (0): IAmRobik (0): sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik I really want you to back up every single one of these with actual reads instead of unsubstantiated mess. | ||
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Its hard to not get distracted by it, this feels like a ploy mafia would use to draw out real cop a bit like mafia claiming medic right before lynch | ||
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I'm sleeping now but please vote super. | ||
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VE says he thinks one of Palomar or marv is mafia and will push whichever is alive after nk. He pushes neither all day which is ok however he says he definitely doesn't town read palmar. Then when he goes hard on vivax and barely mentions geript his answer is that people palmar and marv are on vivax. People he doesn't town read at this point. He even says that he would prefer a Geript lynch but when it starts presenting itself ve ignores and tells vivax good luck next time. This doesn't add up to me I think ve is a mafia here. His play doesn't add up to what he was saying before. | ||
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Its a bad time to claim with a green check. But I know what Sl wanted to do, med protect every night so he can build his town circle with checks. But we shouldn't talk about this. Instead comment on ve stuff | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:51 Superbia wrote: Getting stonewalled by a un-cced cop-soft from someone who is very likely mafia is not frustrating. News to me. I'm pretty sure Sl has hard claimed will sort out later. Stopbeing lazy or get lynched | ||
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Dissapears regularly barely interacts with things going on. Makes excuses constantly, did I say no content even though he's been here and only shows up when talked about. And the anger at Sl claim, just doesn't seem town. | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:46 Superbia wrote: Oh hey. Can you sum up your case on me in 0 posts again? Thanks. glad you read my posts then cool | ||
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I am upset at you SL, if you are trying to draw a bullet you do not unclaim during the night you let the medic make the wifom decision. I'll talk more about this tomorrow if it comes up. I'll be honest though I really hate it how vivax and LM hard defended super during the eod, i'm not really sure why you shouldn't be ok to lynch super. Kels reasoning I think made sense to me, he didn't hard defend super. | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote: Because of this post, if super is mafia, you are too. Also I'm honestly going to just chill. There is literally no one being not bad in this town at the moment. Everyone has either lynched townies, or failed to push alternative lynches. This means mafia has no idea whom to shoot tonight, because the doc save is guaranteed. So I guess I'll just see who they shoot, and figure the game out tomorrow. I may start reading tonight, but I'm not going to conclude much for now. Did you ever look at that stuff I asked you to? Or catch up at all? | ||
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 ( god its n2 and I almost have 10 pages of filter this is unheard of for me. | ||
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@jat, I am doing a few things about the house and some of the people I asked to look at what I posted about ve yesterday like robik told me no he wouldn't. So I asked him to now. @ve I'm not sure why you think this about me personally when I never go after people personally after games unless they just fuck off in lylo then I say bad show. Other than that I can't remember the last time I really built a case against you and did this, in fact in metal mafai which we just played I pushed against your lynch all day? In the larger game where you were inventor you tunneled me all game. Please stop lying though to make me look bad. @kel, why didn't you push lm yesterday I thought you were ok with him because he was pushing me through part of the day | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:21 KelsierSC wrote: Hey dam, yeh my focus yesterday was on the people who late voted on bats/geript because that came off as really scummy to me. LM also voted on geript who at the time I believed was scum. He also pushed you and you seemed pretty scummy to me. Now it turns out geript is town I am working things out and hence why I have returned to my scum read on LM. Do you like the case? I actually liked the case from d1 and I think some of our points from then are close. Lms general play d2 wasn't anything better he said he wanted me dead but never tried to push it and the weird hard defend on super to try and stop the switch really bugged me. so I like the lynch | ||
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Sl is more than likely town in this case honestly, I really doubt that a mafia under no pressure of being voted out would claim just to get the cop to out. Ithink that its an obvious ploy to get a bullet like they would in video mafia I suppose. Ritoky have you found that game with robiks reaction yet? | ||
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Anyway, I see ritoky. What do you think of Palmar ignoring the fake claim as cop or just the claim during the day last phase? Are you not worried about Dr h super drop off the planet and going back on policy so far? | ||
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I'm not sure that your read on Marv is right though I'm leaning more towards palmar than Marv. And I think you are still letting Marv going at you early color your read of him honestly. Its weird that Marv is alive but I think there has been townier people, but I don't think its alignment indicative at this point I think he's town though. | ||
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On January 06 2015 21:47 sicklucker wrote: I dont really know about doctor. I like to think his insane tunnel is probably town. does anyone here know if hes the kind of player that would fake that? If not I would just never vote him out. Dandred are you mafia? I ignored you because of my fake check. If your town help me figure this shit out. Why is everyone ignoring jats reads? There really good and the same as mine. Jat died because he is mostly right. I am also mostly right I honestly don't know drh well enough to answer that question, I don't think it would be hard to fake spamming the same read but other than that idk I have to wait till he gets back for his reaction to your descending your cop. I'm trying to figure this out honestly, and I have to go through jats final reads and see how they look to me. | ||
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On January 06 2015 21:51 Lazermonkey wrote: So If SL isn't cop, why are we not lynching him? why would we mafia wouldn't claim most likely in that situation... | ||
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That's not much pressure at all honestly I'll have to look at votes to see when claim and voted were but this is a huge wxageration if not out right misrepresentation on the events | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:07 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy, deer, step up. I need reads from you. give me 30 to an hour just got gas and on my way to where i'm going and then i'll drop a knowledge bomb of updated reads. | ||
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We see that GB goes after the harder targets in the game which is alignment indicative of GB. If you look in GBs past mafia games he rarely goes after the hard target, in arnie got a gun gb did go after robik some but overall he still went after the easy mislynches (and robik was getting a good bit of heat at the time) but he finally settled on templar to get a kill for that day and then went on to focus on me. If you then look at Fanfiction Mafia, GB mainly tunneled onto me throughout the whole game as I was viewed as a weaker town read but was pretty easy to get lost in that. Look at recent town games of GB, GB went after the heavy hitters in HF (carol), Marv (Russian), JAT (here). I really think that this is alignment indicative at this point in GBs mafia play after this game its possibly not because i've posted and he will change his meta again. When GB is here he is putting his neck out for reads even if some of them come off as a bit tin foil hat. Overall I think GB is town today and gets more time to develop reads right now and contribute. 4; Artanis[XP] - Artanis seems pretty town to me, has been engaged in everything that the thread has been throwing out. Has tried to push his lynch forward and has seemed to logically go about things in a good way. Also seems to have pretty good follow up with the questioning phase and looks to find if things are lining up. I think right now Artanis is in my top three town reads. 5; Lazermonkey - Lazermonkey is scum. If you look at my case d1, kels case d1 and n2, you will see that he is scum. He is super defensive about everything the moment he gets pressure. He misrepresents a ton of things going on in the thread and when confronted with it backtracks a good deal (one of his posts towards me, misrepresents me and SL at points). He has scum reads at certain points and is super happy to lynch them but then forgets about them when the thread does and almst never pushes them again (scum read on me when kel relented lm never did again and now sl is scum). Hard defends someone who his probably mafia I think hes mafia. 6; Marvellosity - I'm going to be putting marv into the town pile right now. While his play leaves something to be desired especially around lynch time, he seems to give opinions as the game goes along and seems to care. Just comparing this game to any of his recent games you can see it looks closer to his town games then it does his scum games. I really think that he has given some good thoughts to the game and really wish he would knowledge bomb us though and find some mafia. Also this marv kind of reminds me of Cell Marv where he was town but didn't care as much because some people didn't listen to him early. Hes probably a mid tier to lower tier town read but i wouldn't lynch him. 8; IAmRobik - I think Robik is probably town, hes really tunneled at this point. Its more of a gut thing than anything and is a super weak read, his fights seemed a bit weird to me and contrived at points and kinda made VE rage quit. Promised to do more and has done a bit so i'm not sure but I think town. 9; TheChyz (replaced)- I think earlier I talked about how the slot is more than likely town for a few reasons, it was tunneled into for pretty bad reasons and it caused a rage quit. However the manner in which they rage quit looked pretty towny besides claiming scum, leaving a will that could be used to implicate your team mates is not something I think a scum quitting would do. Town more than likely. 10; Palmar - Palmar is probably scum. He afk'd on most of the lynches and was goin to waste his vote at one point before he was confronted with it, in another game Palmar mentioned that he is either a 0 or a 10 as town and usually a 5-7 as mafia. I would put Palmar in a weird range of seeming to do things and not do things, his knowledge bomb on d1 got him a pass but he really hasn't done much since then. His push on marv feels a bit weird to me, he really didn't push hes just been soft pushing to see if people would pick it up to me. And he really hasn't reacted to SLs fake claim+rescend which just rom knowing palmar he has a policy to lynch claimers as i've recently experienced. I think its out o his town game. 13; sicklucker - I think SL is town, I would put him into the top five right now. His play which has gotten him some flack just doesn't make sense coming from a mafia. He is barely under any pressure and he claims cop with a green check changes it and then unclaims during the night for wifom. It just looks like someone who watches or plays video mafia would make this play and see it as pretty good. I don't like the play as it might draw out the cop but it does not make sense at this juncture for mafia to want to go 1-1 with the cop. SL is pretty solidly town for me. Besides that if you look at his play he has developed a few crazy theories and flip flops on people to get reactions and to flush out his reads if you look at student mafia, carol, metal mafia you can see him doing this a ton it is one of the staples of his town game. 14; Vivax - 15; KelsierSC- Kel is town. Honestly hes my top town at this point. His questioning people during the night and day phases, his follow up and his synopsis of all his questioning sessions at the end really point to town. He has follow up, he pushes what he thinks and tries t get who he wants lynched. He is trying to solve this game and he is town. 16; ritoky - I think ritoky is a good shot at scum. I had a slight town read on him d1 due to his follow up being so different then his mafia games in carol and in season of the witch. However his follow up to that has been pretty bad up to a point, he was pretty useless n1, d2 and n2. He doesn't really have much push behind what hes saying, however his posts so far in d3 have been ok, his vote analysis wasn't bad and hes giving some decent thoughts to the thread. I'm not sure that he should be the lynch today but i'm still sold that hes a good shot at mafia. 17; DoctorHelvetica - I'm actually leaning scum on DrH right now, his day one while almost everyone called it towny looks a bit weird to me. He tunnels one player all day (chy) who he makes rage quit, inflated his filter by doing so and made up a scum team of chy and geript. Come end of day he can get chy potentially lynched and definitely get geript lynched. However instead he chooses to shenany off of his top two scum reads onto a lesser read leaving his other scum reads alive another day, when confronted with this information he said he was second guessing himself. Since this time he has dissapeared from the thread going from 19 pages of filter in cycle one down to 5 pages since, his return will tell a lot because he has not really been involved in any situations really since d1. Hes a possible scum but he probably shouldn't be the lynch today unless something huge happens. 20; Superbia - I've talked a good deal about superbia at this point, really wanted this lynch yesterday. And really want it today as well, Superbia is not playing like he normally would as town. Barely has any formulated reads and when he gives promises that he will do things he barely does anything and goes away for most of the other time. Seems to be posting angry all the time and is really defensive about all things. This is a great lynch I think if we want to go for a lurker especially today. Obviously i've removed myself and the dead people in this list as i'm most sure of the alignments on those. I still have to do vivax but i ran out of time, be back shortly any questions or comments please leave them i'll finish soon. | ||
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On January 06 2015 22:40 GlowingBear wrote: SL is mafia Palmar is mafia I had a feeling Robik was town but I can totally see Robik and SL on team mafia Vivax is null, gotta re read koshi's case on him because I think koshi was best town 2015 so far. But his effort and titled length makes him more like a town lean. Marv is mafia because he is still alive and JAT isn't. Tbh I simply don't see marv trying too hard to lynch his scumreads. Ritoky is probably town for his analysis. Superbia is town if SL and Robik are mafia. DrH should be jumping in SL's neck for fakeclaiming but he didn't. Leaning scum. Chez is (?). The feeling that TheChyz was mafia against geript and that mafia found a brilliant way to secure a mislynch by moving to bats is real. It gets more real when you consider SL and Robik both as mafia. Also, this team Robik bullshit sucks and Robik was reading palmar as scum if I remember correctly, which made SL getting excited, but now SL puts palmar in the end of his lynch list and Robik simply ignores palmar. Which makes me strongly believe a scum team of Palmar, SL and Robik is real. Then you could throw marv and Chezinu in that and bam: scum team. Need GB to confirm are the top two your checks? | ||
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From this point forward is when I really think that Vivax started playing. He did draw suspicions to Geript and a couple other people (Marv and Jat) but I felt like and it read to me he was covering all of his bases. He saw something he didn't like he pushed it until he either came up with an alignment on someone or the person wasn't in the thread any more. Though he was wrong on a couple of people it seemed like he believes what he was typing and he was putting the effort in. Going after what has been termed unlynchable people is not scum favored or town favored, I really think that vivax was covering his bases and trying to push more information into the thread. Did I like how he went about this at all the times? No, but the way he tried to proceed while on the block was towny to me. If he was lynched he would have his last will in thread. He showed a healthy amount of paranoia when I was up for discussion at first having me town for defending him and then stepping back and considering given enough time and information. This is towny to me. I think vivax shouldn't be the lynch today and i think hes solidly in my town pile today. | ||
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On January 07 2015 03:30 IAmRobik wrote: I hate this list. You're maxing out at like 3/5 Maybe so, and I knew that you would hate it but its d3, if i'm alive past today I have plenty of time to figure out where i'm wrong. And really you shouldn't hate a list where I have found at least 3 mafia | ||
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Super and Ritoky like to bus, look at carol for ritoky bussing HF early and often and look at ffl2 for super bussing when there was still hope. Plenty of people can look really towny d1 if I did it I would get lynched basically. I think if you take away the chy spam fest he has a medium d1 but thats just me. | ||
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SL If we lynch mafia today who do you think tommorow | ||
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SL wasn't really under that much pressure. We had lurker mafia candidates ritoky and superbia on him before the claim who no one was following. A one and one for mafia is horrible here, one because either the lynch was geript or vivax not Sl and soneone. The cop is in a somewhat weakend state due to framer and Miller's in the game. A one and one doesn't help mafia it gives town another mislynch to work with. | ||
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I think we are coming to the point where we won't agree. I think I have my read on Sl if the cop has a red on him I'll rethink. As nd I'll rethink Tommorow. | ||
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On January 07 2015 23:15 sicklucker wrote: I mean theirs 7 mafia this game you got us You just made me laugh SL | ||
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Anyway, I'm up for a superbia OR a Ritoky lynch honestly. I think both are mafia on my list, i'm not up for an SL lynch unless theres a real case thats convincing or a cop has a red check on him that we can discuss. | ||
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Any way i would like to move away from this discussion. | ||
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I think its pretty obvious that Ritoky isn't the cop and i'm on page 286 currently and i think logically the claim has been destroyed. | ||
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But the cop as robik if he is the cop which he might not be makes sense a lot more than ritoky. I would be ok with lynching Ritoky in this situation or lynching superbia today and then having a cop standoff tommorow. | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:25 IAmRobik wrote: That reminds me...he might have spewed damdred town, but I'm not 100% sure Hes pushed me since d2 I think it was which is why his Sl check is so horrible, he pushed me all day but didn't check me? or at least when he was here he built a case on me | ||
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I want t lynch Super or Ritoky, if rit doesn't have a CC i'm really happy lynching super today. So idk what your talking about with part of that... | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:49 Lazermonkey wrote: Fuck me, noone is here and I really really need to go to sleep. I'll vote Superbia. Not because its a good lynch but because its the least bad. Your voting with your top scum? And your voting on his preferred lynch? | ||
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On January 08 2015 09:11 IAmRobik wrote: fine. I HARD CLAIM THAT I AM THE COP WITH A N1 GREEN ON EDEN AND A N2 GREEN ON DRH. Happy? God you guys are annoying. Why won't you just let me make plays. This game is no fun when you play it straight forward. The most upsetting thing is that marv/palmar (if town) weren't able to read through that shit and didn't insist on lynch him anyway. Especialyl Palmar. Palmar is all about killing people who claim. And his claim was the shittiest shit claim of all shit claims. This is the second time Palmar has done this. I think Palmar is mafia. Super-Ritoky then Palmar/LM for me then we see whats going on i think. | ||
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Super is martyring and not leaving town in a better place it is scum behavior at its peak. | ||
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Day 1 he is guilty of the same things he goes hard after chy because of thread sentiment. He moves his target around using thread sentimen He misrepresents things constantly in the thread and back tracks constantly D2 he hard defends a push to lynch Superbia (known mafia now) He states d3 that he thinks ritoky is the cop and won't lycn an un cc'd cop but his vote is on him anyway He states during the day that Super looks bad but shouldn't be the lynch. Right before he leaves he parks his vote on Superbia, with his main scum read whos been vocal about wanting a super bia lynch. I think his vote looks more like a bus and hes mafia to me. | ||
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D2 was the first time LM interacted with superbia and basically he told him to step up his game if he was town but he shouldn't be the lynch today, besides that there was no pressure to find the alignment of one of the people up for lynch. Besides that no interaction is seen besides hard defending for no reason to my eyes. LM said he was going to look at ritoky but never came back with any sort of find just that ritoky looked bad. Kept saying he wouldn't lynch ritoky but had his vote on him thewhole time switched to superbia at the last second even though 2 posts before said super shouldn't be the lynch and wanted to get a damdred wagon going instead no traction got on super. As far as i can tell never interacted with Ritoky in the thread. | ||
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What happened to Palmar being 100% sure that Marv was mafia and goin to push him to death? It seems to have evaporated and he just clung onto me without talking at all about where that marv read went? | ||
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On January 09 2015 03:29 Lazermonkey wrote: I'll be able to post in like an hour or two. Damdred, kel and whoever thinks that is a good case: what would've been a good town move in my position? I claimed several times that I wouldn't lynch ritoky. You may disagree with my opinion on the matter, though that has not been the argument against me. Instead you say I am scummy for voting superbia.THERE WERE NO OTHER WAGON. Voting anyone BUT ritoky or superbia would've been really stupid at that point. So please tell me how you are not tunnelling me. Because we are taking actual examples of what happened in the thread and showing it. You said two posts before you voted superbia that you didn't want to lynch him, then you moved to super with your biggest scum read after trying to get a new wagon going. You could of stayed on Ritoky but you decided not to. | ||
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On January 09 2015 04:12 sicklucker wrote: Later can you read my posts that tell you why robik didnt likely check eden and if hes vt he should rescind because that would mean hes trying to lynch the real cop alright i'm leaving now to get home i'll comment soon as i walk in the door. | ||
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Anyway, I think robiks cop claim makes more sense then Rits. The Eden check is a bit strange but, all of robs post could of been wifom to stop mafia framing there own after the bats lynch, though it looks weird. Also why didn't rit check me instead of sl with ! someoneClaiming your role you know they aren't the cop they are either taking a bullet likely frame or mafia so check elsewhere imo. | ||
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Leaves me at Rit Lazer Palmar And? ??? Also surprised people haven't talked about Palomar saying he won't do anything but selfmeta a bit for us. | ||
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Who are the other mafia on superbia besides lazer? Also the theory rests on that rit is the framer. What if he's not what does that change? | ||
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On January 11 2015 11:26 Vivax wrote: THis is anothr post that makes zero sense. I don't recall Damdred ever scumreading me D2. Quite the opposite. SL IS FUCKING SCUM. NOMINATE HIM IF YOU WANT, BUT LYNCH HIM. I thought d2 I was pretty hard against Vivax lynch. I don't remember when but I know I townread vivax. I think i townread him before i started trying to pull people onto the superbia lynch but i'd have to go back and look. | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:55 GlowingBear wrote: I've been reading him as town. But he has been extremely disinterested into solving the game. I mean, we've finally lynched a mafia, but he makes no further attempt to solve things. He only asks questions with no actual follow up / clear intention to reach somewhere. This is his scum meta. I'm not really sure how i'm disinterested in solving the game, i've pressured lazer pretty extensivly and have two cases on him in my filter. Pushed superbia until he died almost had him d2 infact. Scum read ritoky, scum read Palmar. So I think this is a misrepresentation of what i've been doing. | ||
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LM entered the thread I believe with his accusations on chyz that sheeped what the rest of the thread had said and threw his vote down instantly, it didn't seem t be a pressure vote it seemed to be an actual vote that had intentin to kill. He never tried to really figure out alignments at that point in the game which was just hours into the game at that point I believe. He never asked questions to the person being scum read at that point just straight voted. BH once said to me that a towny is scared to throw his vote around quickly and often in a serious fashion because townies on a whole are scared of getting it wrong and would rather have more understanding. (paraphrase obiously). I think the whole thing was hypocritical and lacked a towny mindset behind it, it was nothing more than piling on at that point and had nothing to do with figuring out alignments or brining anything new to the game just sheeping. | ||
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On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz his is the post i'm talking about...however i was looking at the voting thread and he never actually voted chyz...so maybe that point isn't as important anymore if at all | ||
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On January 11 2015 12:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can you point out to me in the vote thread when LM voted for Chyz exactly? I think I need to have a talk with BH if this is actually what he believes. Votes are the best way to pressure people. Has every vote you've made this game been with the intention of killing that person and only that? yea it wasn't in the vote thread it seems his first vote in the vote thread was for geript. His first post indicated a vote on chy but wasn't in the vote thread would have to ask lazer if it was pressure or if he was unaware of the vote thread. | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're a potential lynch because you're not cleared. Palmar has a scumread on you, I don't know what to think of you and SL seems to have doubts on you as well. This isn't about the claim, but just your play overall in this game. I liked your LM case but you haven't really been here pushing him as much as I'd expect. I'm not pushing a case when we have a mafia up for lynch? I pushed super begged until he was lynch so no I've been pushing things. You claim Palomar case is to selective so why's it matter he has a scrum read? Rit scrum read me. I think Palomar is mafia to so yea. | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:50 GlowingBear wrote: Scumhunting never ceases. You could continue to push him. I put my case out there and answered or expanded on what I said. That is documenting. My others read isn't here atm | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Me, SL, DP and Kelsier are townread by just about everyone that matters. Not sure about that. SL is scrum read by at least one person. Kel isn't consensus and neither are you atm even viv has second feelings about you at points | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote: Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town. Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum? I'm not sure what I think about it. I doubt either wagon is pure town or pure scrum though | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote: So you have to admit mafia preferred Superbia's death. Which means Vivax is more likely to be scum because he wasted his vote too, and that you certainly have at least 1 mafia on Superbia's wagon and that there is a possibility that ritoky's wagon was pure town. Um I'm not saying that at all. Vivax is town he did to much work when nobody else was, opposite of his mafia game. I can't know what mafia wanted at that lynch. I just know we killed two mafia in a row. | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:01 GlowingBear wrote: Doesn't it feel like palmar was skimming through my filter, trying to discover my alignment and that when he reached a conclusion, he stopped filter diving, which looks townie? Like, I don't expect mafia to do such thing, although it's possible. So you think that this "stream of thought", in which he flips 180, is also fabricated? Isn't this a town read on palmar here gb? | ||
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On January 12 2015 23:04 sicklucker wrote: We really need to do 12/24 hour cycles slam like in mspaint. disagree totally we need every second to figure out the mafia team. Shorter days favour mafia over town. | ||
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On January 12 2015 23:28 GlowingBear wrote: Add that to the lack of push from SL to LM. SL, who thought that mafia not shooting him night2 implies he green checked a scum. Are you more sure of SL than you are of LM at this point? | ||
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1) Palmar I really asked you to check out some things I wrote at points and give your opinions and you never did that even though you said you would. And then i repeatedly asked you to check my filter and how much have you read and you never responded and you made your entire case based on a couple of pages? I understand its a big game and stuff gets lost but come on man. 2) GB, i'm trying to move away from large quote cases. I don't think people actually read everything you write when you do that (see drH), and they have a tendency to turn into nothing but a narrative that makes people out to be scum but reading bias into everything they wrote. SO i'm trying to change my game you can somewhat see it happening in Carol even if I didn't have a ton of time to develop it past day 1, of moving towards blocky paragraph that explain more what i'm seeing and actions rather than a narrative. I find people actually read what I write then and can comment better, insead of just saying damdred town but i'm ignoring it as people were apt to do later because of length in other games. 3) Artanis Carol was actually a more recent game than Russian, but there was a post limit so things had to be more condensed and I didn't make it past d1 in that one. | ||
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On January 13 2015 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote: I love how GB afks comes in and says this And afks again. Lazer, besides GB who do you think makes up the scum team at this point and why? | ||
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No you would be termed lazy because of this. I would call you scrum mainly because you are somewhere between trying d1 and not caring, besides ads few moments. Like a weird 6 on the ten scale you use. | ||
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I really don't like being tunneled, i've begged you to actually read my filter Palmar and you just wont' do it. You waver it seems at one point in calling me scum earlier, but then literally you throw me into another scum team moments later. And then you town read, lazer for asking people to read there filter? You town read art for pushing super? BUT YOU SCUM READ ME FOR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING? You are totally disingenuous with what you are doing, you push marv and you totally let up on it and settle on me. Theres no follow through with what you do, and your probably scum. | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:02 Palmar wrote: This is not true, I had no opinion on you until I read your filter. Would you yourself characterize any parts of your play, especially from day 1 and 2 as different from normal? Ok let me rephrase then, You stopped reading my filter after a couple of pages. Actually yes I was more aggressive D1 going after LM and Bats, which is something i've been striving towards. Day two I don't remember a lot of but I know I almost got super lynched if vivax would of listened to me. Not exactly sure what else would be different. | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:11 Palmar wrote: The thing is, read your own posts regarding LM I specifically mentioned the weird phrasing. You don't _sound_ aggressive at all. Anyway, if you are town, which I suppose is a possibility, what is your scumteam? And if you suggest I'm in it I'm not going to listen to. like give me 2 people who you think might be mafia and why. I really disagree with you here, if you actually read it I am so aggressive (in context) and pressure him so much that LM basically rage quits the conversation and says that he won't respond to me anymore. I'm not sure if you are getting the context with just the filter. excluding you palmar just to futher the conversation this is where I am, LM is very probable mafia to me, some of his postings lately give me some pause but still a few things that put him here for me. GB is possible I think, there are some weird things the past couple of pages in the filter just don't see the normal GB gumption. And I have a gut feeling that i'm not sure about yet. | ||
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LM is pretty prevalent in my filter, I really dont' want to quote myself just go read my filter. GB has no reads at this point, not trying to push the game and is totally disinterested. Looks more like his mafia meta now. | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. | ||
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Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative? Can mafia look towny and make good points? | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If [alignment unknown] that we believe is mafia makes good points, should we not re-evaluate them? Of course we should re-evaluate them every day. Which is why i said i'm shaky on LM right now, but in my mind I still have him as mafia. And sadly palmar went away after i answered him and we got on this stream | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's just that I don't see your re-evaluation of LM in the thread. I don't see you engaging him. You've asked him one question since he's started to act, as you say it, better. One way I re-evaluate people is when i'm here to ask questions such as reads, reads are harder to fake as mafia than as town. I can see his intent and work from here. Read his filter see if earlier stuff lines up with later suff, see if if still read things the same way etc., re-evaluating players just isn't interacting with them necessarily. | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So from this I take it you've gone through Lazer's filter again recently and came to the conclusion you still feel he's scum? Yes i've been through his filter again. Yes I think hes scum. | ||
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I hate he Palmar posts going poof though, might be soft pushing for town cred later maybe but its pretty sloppy. What about whawt I said earlier about Marv vivax? How he called ritoky out early d1 for his fight wih drh and made a lot of comparisons to his other scum game? and then he was on ritoky d3 during the claim game I think. | ||
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I did think the way he was handling palmar looked townish. I will read the filter | ||
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On January 13 2015 14:30 Vivax wrote: It's funny you mentioned all of this Damdy, cause I noticed he asked you what was good about ritokys followup, you answered, and he just ignored it. But you think his thought progression is townie. I would be all over him now that we know what ritoky was. I thought the way he attacked and went about it was townie. And then asked why I townread him, its true there isn't much interaction between mine and marvs disagreement between reads but its known to happen. And then when ritoky returns marv calls him out on another read he made. Spends a few posts talking about Ritoky on d2 while rit is absent. After d2 marv does push the ritoky vote so theres that. After reading his filter I think Marv looks towny the interactions don't really seem forced. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think you're practically confirmed on filter size and effort alone, so no I don't think you're scum. You went through Kelsier's filter already so I was hoping you could tell me memorable things about him because I don't remember anything about him and I was hoping you could spare me having to go through his filter. Pushed LM early, pushed every scum read he had whether he was wrong or right. He took really hard stances when he was playing, re-evaluated on flips. Tried to hammer super or tried to get people to switch to him. I know i'm not vivax but I think I have a good town read on kel. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:14 Palmar wrote: Like I can't even remember, what's your town vs scum list damdy? Before today was Palomar, lm and GB sliding. I think I'm really wrong on one though | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote: Well maybe you should work on that if you want to ever convince anyone. Lead by example. Being right and not getting your lynches through is just as bad as being wrong and getting them through. Like even if I end up being wrong on fucking everything this game, at least I got shit done the way I wanted it. I never said I was a good player, but I'm trying to get there at least this isn't storm damdred | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:23 Palmar wrote: I'm not saying you're bad, I'm just saying it's stupid to hold votes. You're actually quite good which is one of the reasons that you may be mafia here, because I feel like you've done nothing at all. But you seem to think I'm town now, so maybe we can work together. Why do you think Ksc is town? Early on ksc was really pushing his angles that he thought were scummy bats and lm for instance. Really was involved in everything. D2 and n1 he pressured all bats voters and came away and pressured his other scrum reads me at the time cause of the bats lynch. He tried to pick a part sls claim for bad logic. He was reevaluate his reads daily on the game before he went away and pushed on super hard to. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:03 sicklucker wrote: not rly some people try harder as mafia. Are you one of them? I know you think I am This is no offense to vivax cause I love him. His mafia game is vastly different and non try hard comparatively | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:08 Vivax wrote: Also Chezinu is town, the points he brought up about Dam's defensiveness and what appears to be a ritoky chainsaw defense are good, and he's actually rereading D1. Scum CHez would never bother with that shit what was ritoky chainsaw defending me from? A joke vote from geript? | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:13 Vivax wrote: Damdred, chillax as you're the last I wanna lynch of the pile and you're interchangeable with GB just for the fact DP scumread him. And DP is crazy good town. But I can't ignore the possibility you're scum for the marv + you interactions and what Chez showed us. No answer my question, you just said rit chainsaw defended me with what chez shows which is total misrepresentation of what happened in the thread. I made the joke post, geript joke voted me we had a back and forth, eden was perplexed geript townread me. DrH entered much later and talked about policy for lynching liars like people who fake claim cop, ritoky then came in and then threw up my post. So explain how he chainsaw defended me | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:22 GlowingBear wrote: Art, I can understand him parking his vote on marv as I've already explained. His wagon was easily formed and from that wagon, I HATED how KSC easily jumped on it. I can't see why Palmar, who said he would lynch damdred, refuses to do so, and parks his vote on LM, WITH MARV, HIS MAIN SCUMREAD, AGAIN (he voted with marv day3). Does it make sense to you? Like, in the risk of being lynched, he decides to NOT VOTE ONE OF HIS SCUMREADS (Damdred) but votes someone he didn't even had a read (LM) with his MAIN SCUMREAD? But this is Palmar, the guy you relied on to try to get me lynched? Someone who you never had a town read on? I think Palmar is town whos not 100% sure but knows he wants to survive to figure it out. Palmar really shouldn't be lynched to many things point to him bein town, like actually giving a fuck and trying to help town. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:20 Vivax wrote: You appear defensive about geript voting you. Chez looekd to me like he was pointing that out. THen ritoky comes in and attacks DrH cause he didn't scumread you. So yes, chainsaw defense is the wrong word as ritoky actually didn't defend you. Jeez I just wrote bullshit. Nevermind that, I'm writing faster than I think now as I'm adapting to the new information. I'd have to ask Geript after the game if he got the follow up posts were going back to our past mega run ins when we tunneled each other to death all the time. But I think they did, I love geript but we butt heads a ton. and ok, i can understand that. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I forgot two more points on Palmar: Throughout the game he's been waffling hardcore on Marvellosity. It wasn't until he was on the lynching block, and then even only on the second day that he truly went after Marv after a series of weird interactions. Suddenly, he decided Marv was scum when he was still undecided the day before and nothing had happened in between. His cases on both GB and Damdred fit into the lazy 5-7 score play that Mafia Palmar usually goes for. He figured he made his point, decided upon an alignment and called it a day without looking further. I think it's likely that a town Palmar would put in more effort to discern people's alignments than that. But would mafia!Palmar sit back when hes up for lynch and can get Damdred out and go ok, maybe we can work together. And ask me for reads, and decide not to go for me? Would he re-evaluate like that? | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote: Like, this is damning. Palmar screwed up when he voted LM. Pratically a scum claim. And when he flips scum, Damdred is obvious scum, as I've being saying throghout this day. Just Fucking Lynch Palmar. And if he flips town what then? You can't even articulate why i'm actually scum without some weird associative reads. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:33 GlowingBear wrote: I've already said you're playing your scum meta and that I was uneasy on you because I saw some town traits. But this day was revealing. Damdy, you didn't push me the way you should. And you're still not pushing me. I'm extremely sure you're both scum partners. GB, ever since Hearthstone i have approached you differently because I was so wrong in my meta case on you. I think theres a shot you are scum but you are a lot less than 100% to me currently. You made a case when you go back from vacation and gave thoughts, your past 72 hours though has beenr eally bad and looked closer to your scum meta | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:35 GlowingBear wrote: Saving himself isn't alignment indicative? Like, you think it isn't more likely for mafia to vote for surviving instead of town? Don't you think town will vote for his main scumread? His voting LM, damdy. LM. When he had a clear scumread on you. He vehemently refused to vote you AND IS VOTING WITH MARV WHARRGARBL Palmar actually started waffling on me GB. Town needs to survive, voting to survive is not a mafia trait nor a town trait. And he seems to think LM fits mafia mold to so theres that. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:38 GlowingBear wrote: I can understand you getting uneasy on me. That's why you should've push me more. You didn't. You're still not interested in discovering my ignment. You're ignoring me. And that's damning. Misrepresentation at its finest, every time you started asking pointless questions when the answer was in the thread i called you on it and ou said "Give me time damdy you know me let me get my answers" (paraphrase) so I gave you time. And you damn me for it? I gave you a town read for going after the hard target in JAT before he flipped, we both gave each other town reads if you forgot. I am neither ignoring you or not trying to figure you out. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:40 GlowingBear wrote: Ok damdy, let's work with the hypothesis you're town. Why is palmar voting with his main scumread? ....to survive? Town should think that they are important to the game and that they need to survive to find and kill mafia. Its not just a scum trait you know | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't buy that. Had Palmar stayed on Marv, he could've forced the situation in which town has to pick between him and Marv. Instead, he adds a third party to the fray. An easy target that already went to bed and won't resist as much as his main suspect. I don't buy this Palmar was more of a lynch risk and the way LM switched his vote to Marv looked really scummy. Plus isn't Marv asleep around deadline anyway so part of your argument is invalid i think | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:52 GlowingBear wrote: Does this sound like a guy who wants to survive, damdy? His moves are incompatible with his speech, then. He sounds dejected at that point but sticks it out after that as well and stays up well later then he should have. That speaks to someone who is looking to survive. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:56 GlowingBear wrote: Why are you so fucking hard defending him when the evidences proves the opposite? Why did I hard defend you in russia mafia? Because sometimes I get gut reads or see something people miss and I know i'm right. Also Palmar to me really helped himself when he stayed up all night, was willing to re-evaluate his reads at a moments notice and actually really tried. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:59 Vivax wrote: Damdred why are you ignoring the sicklucker stuff. Why is artanis not taking this seriously For one i'm being grilled by GB about my read on Palmar. Not really ignoring, i gotta reread it but correct me if i'm wrong. The main thing is SL says hes tricked into claiming cop and panics because Kel says he has a red check on him and that makes him scum because town would automatically think that they are green no matter what and not go to the maybe i'm a miller first thing. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What is your current proposed scumteam? Does it include anyone currently on LM? Right now I don't have a full scum team Palmar threw that on its head, I have to find the third shortly. I think lm GB | ||
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you call me confirmed town and echo robs thoughts until thread changes and you discard half of them and cling to still trying to confirm people as town. I honestly think you've played a great scum game AND going through Marvs filter I found a ritoky quote. Theory time, ritoky was ok with SLs cllaim at the time even said that it takes SL off the lynch table. I have to dig more to see what ritoky did with it afterwards, but if rit plays the cop card the next day... Why didn't he do it then when SL a much easier person was up that he could of potentially mislynched if SL was town? Instead gives the claim credit at this point and then claims the next day? | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:58 ritoky wrote: on phone, only have like 5 minutes. apparently SL claimed cop since i last was able to read the thread. guess he is not the lynch today, evaluate claim later. want to vote vivax, marv, maybe damdred. so for now: ##vote: vivax found it he does have a scathing reply to the claim I have to look at thread context and timing if its after SL descended or was getting heat already | ||
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Ritoky only drops his scathing case on SL well after SL has taken his claim back. Only after SL took the heat from kel did rit even show disbelief. The first attempt at luring the cop failed and so rit sacd himself and SL gained towncred from a crazy play. | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:24 marvellosity wrote: Is this the crux of it? The simple answer would seem to be ritoky wasn't getting lynched d2, he was d3... Thats not true, before ritoky claimed cop superbia was leading the lynch 5-1. It was only after ritoky claimed cop that he started really picking up votes I believe | ||
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From going through the vote thread this is what it looked like On January 07 2015 12:54 liancourt wrote: I Count this vote sons ritoky (1): vivax (1): marvellosity (1): Lazermonkey (0): Superbia (5): KelsierSC, Artanis[Xp], Chezinu, sicklucker, Damdred SickLurker Vivax Glowingbear Palmar IamRobik, GlowingBear [b]Damdred[/b[ Palmar Currently Superbia is set to be lynched. Deadline is in (i updated the votes to reflect vote changes up until ritokys claim) The votes were heavily in Superbias favor up until he hard claimed cop | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:06 ritoky wrote: let's all spam votes on the guy doing endless vote logic, coloring names left and right, and clearly softing his role every chance he gets. such donkey much wow. DrH n1 was green SL n2 was green i softened a bit on SL because of it, but i think he was a prime frame target last night so i am still kinda convinced he is red. fuck you all for making me claim and the only person who shouldn't be mad at himself is robik because i think he is the only person who actually got the endless hints. This post, LM voted me shortly after and then the votes piled up on Ritoky | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's entirely false, he had a very convincing martyr at the end of his life. No he didn't he wasted his vote on someone? | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Quotes appear in the Korean timezone whereas they show in your local timezone when you just view them in the thread. It can be quite confusing. well then i'm just dumb and ignore my try and looking at the votes, caue i feel stupid now | ||
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On January 15 2015 04:02 Vivax wrote: Yes I read it but didn't go look for it myself for confirmation, it's a nice observation and theory though. My only question is: When did you notice this? When did you go and look for that information cause it was quite a while back and it's odd it's the first thing you look for when SL did plenty of other shit more recently. I need to figure out who between Kels and you is the third atm and it kinda looks like you knew that bit for quite a while but only let it out now that SL looks more suspicious. Forgive my paranoia if you're town though, but I need to know this. Yesterday when I was reading Marvs filter when I was trying to give a read on him I stumbled into the ritoky quote and just thought it was an interesting quote. I didn't remember anyone using it against ritoky during his lynch so I jotted it down in one of the pages of my notes. After SLs scum slip yesterday, I started looking through my notes. (This was after i clarrified what I thought you were saying) I connected the two together. And it came together in my head and I think I have something. | ||
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On January 15 2015 04:24 Vivax wrote: Ok seems believable and you remembered really quickly. You go into the townpile now. So, marv, SL and Kelsier? Need to reevaluate if Kelsier's + SL interactions are scum-scum cause yesterday SL said he was under pressure from Kelsier so sounds like a odd thing for a scum to say about his scumbuddy. Could make sense if it was a set up thing though, and Kelsier's latest posts look totally disengaged from the game. I'm not sure do you think its impossible for say LM and SL to be mafia together? | ||
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On January 15 2015 04:28 Vivax wrote: I don't even bother with LM cause he's probably town since it was the wagon scum initiated. At least the lynch removes the Palmar + marv scum theory from the table. Can you talk more about the bolded with me? | ||
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The second question was meant more towards maybe a GB since gb halfway pushed LM earlier in the day and somewhat got the wagon going. On January 14 2015 13:37 liancourt wrote: I Count this vote Pocahontas Palmar (5): Lazermonkey (3): GlowingBear (0): Marvellosity (1): damdred (1): Chezinu, sicklucker (0): Not Voting: - Currently Palmar is set to be lynched. Deadline is in And I don't think SL seriously tried to kill LM | ||
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On January 15 2015 05:39 Vivax wrote: Well if LM is scum and I killed my townread to lynch marv who then is fuck knows what, then I will hang myself by the balls after this game. lol on the plus side koshi and rob might hang us by the balls or letting you into mylo anyway | ||
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On January 15 2015 05:41 Lazermonkey wrote: No you are either lying or not reading. The reason I didn't vote GB was because noone else seemed interested at all. What conclussion do you bring from this? | ||
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On January 15 2015 05:51 Lazermonkey wrote: Well, from that post alone, he could obviously be eithet missreading or scum. But the more I read on Kel, the more I am convinced that he is scum. I will expand on this later. KK I look forward to it and will spam you till you deliver after awhile | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:02 Lazermonkey wrote: GB is looking far more town I think, for his strong defense of Palmar. Like, from my PoV its obvious that the lynch was between two townies. But this is not the case if you are another townie, and there are still people who suspect that I am scum. Putting so much effort into defending a townie vs a possible scum, will just make yourself look bad after the lynch. O_o | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:19 sicklucker wrote: What? I threw a half filled hand of dirt 2 meters towards you. I havent even read your filter all game. It was just scummy how gb was both yours and vivax top scum read and when I offered shenanies onto him you laughed in my face and called me scum. I refute this point towards me, vivax can refute it himself. Cause this is a lie | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:35 Lazermonkey wrote: For everyone who still doubts marv being scum: He is still alive. So is artanis does that make art scum/ | ||
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SL, you said before that mafia have no reason to hammer in a two town race. You were techincally the hammer because you did weird things, but take the weird things out and I was the hammer so using your own concept you should never put me in a scum team but you are. | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:48 Damdred wrote: First to LM, the people who have been killed in the game were pretty much confirmed town. And its kinda wifom to dwell on it to much. SL, you said before that mafia have no reason to hammer in a two town race. You were techincally the hammer because you did weird things, but take the weird things out and I was the hammer so using your own concept you should never put me in a scum team but you are. This | ||
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Artanis Vivax Chez Kel GB Marv LM SL I gotta read a bit back, SL. You are using double standards to judge people now. Earlier you said LM is 100% town but now you are saying you want us to lynch him? | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:24 sicklucker wrote: But you hammered palmer who you told me all day not to lynch. instead of lm your scum read all game. Do you see how you look more scummier here? I havent cleared lm completely and you two could still be partners. Actually since vivax,gb,and you all voted palmer over lm. Lm still has to die. SL this is what you did, PALMAR IS SCUM I DONT TRUST MARV OR DAMDRED. ILL VOTE PALMAR, WAIT ART IS CONVINCING DAMDRED OR CHEZ TO SHOW UP/VOTE PALMAR. IM GOING TO VOTE LM. You then unvote Palmar after weird interactions, and then when i switch and chez gets on LM, insead of going wait whats going on. You make it seem like you have all the power and hammer Palmar anyway? And blame everyone else? And now you go from saying LM is 100% town to we have o lync him? | ||
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Art, do you believe what SL did around lynch time was towny in any way? Even the way hes going about this night phase do you see a towny trying to confirm himself town by doing what hes doing, and throwing dirt. Saying someone is town 100% in another then turn around instantly say we must lynch them? | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:02 Vivax wrote: artanis, whos scum whos town Vivax is what i'm saying about SL making sense here/ | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Damdred explain this to me like I'm 4. I think I've asked this before but my memory is shit. Kelsier softs cop, SL fakeclaims, Kelsier rescinds, mafia doesn't counterclaim anywhere. Mafia (ritoky) fakeclaims, robik (real cop) CCs. This makes SL scum how? This theory I think doesn't make SL scum as its a narrative in retrospect, and i was reading timestamps wrong becuase i'm an idiot and was taking both as an effort to get the real cop Out. Its still a possibility because of ritokys attack after SL rescended instead of when he first claimed. But I can't substantiate this theory anymore | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ah okay. Kinda weak point since ritoky did decide not to believe him. This reminds me though of SL's claimed greencheck on LM that caused two flipped scum and LM himself to riot. I almost forgot about that. Actually the bolded is untrue, ritoky didn't attack sl until after d3 started I believe. So it was well after sl took it back | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:14 sicklucker wrote: Thats just not true at all. If anything im town because ritoky put scum on me and never believed my claim Actually he did believe you until d3 after you took your claim back. I even quoted Ritoky saying oh ok your the cop you are off the table for lynch. now i'm gone | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:17 GlowingBear wrote: I love how you skip all the things I wrote about sicklucker's forced reactions and how you skipped the huge post I've made on damdred, who keeps silent whenever he isn't the push Just for the record I don't think this is true what so ever....I mean i gained what over 6 pages of filter almost since night started and I wasn't the push? anyway you never even responded to anything I say GB, its really frustrating you don't read the game which stinks except when you are here. I've been on a scum team with SL before, he usually picks ok targets sometimes weird ones, but yea I don't see him agreeing to kill chez over Art I think. | ||
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Anyway, I begged everyone to switch to super d2 to get off of a town geript. I mean begged, and now i wasn't the driving force trying to get him lynched? I really can't defend against a narrative though | ||
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Honestly its better to figure this thing out today lynch mafia and go from there and use the towniest towns while we have them instead of letting them die without getting a scum in exchange | ||
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Anyway Art is right that isn't in OP if we can at all, nor if scum can hold a shot | ||
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Vivax scum game basically is categorized like this. Scum!Vivax starts off strong but kind of background, goes into lurker status and never pushes anything past day two. I don't mind losing to a scum Vivax if hes played this well coming into mylo | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I wasn't implying he was scum. I was implying he was town playing in the best interest of scum for most of the game. no i was explaining how the team gb posted was impossible. My phone cut me off and posted early | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:34 GlowingBear wrote: Your explanation scares me damdred. Specially when you said in this game you don't like meta plays that much after Hearthstone. Damdy I can't believe a thing you say in this game. I'm pretty sure it was implied I don't meta YOU anymore since hearthstone you know since i meta dived you through like 6 games or something absurd to make you out to be scum and I was wrong? | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:54 GlowingBear wrote: You're doing nothing to solve the game damdy, all you do is comment on people's alignment without actually trying to get someone lynched or taking original stances IVE DONE THAT THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME AND YOUVE IGNORED IT YOUVE IGNORED EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING IVE DONE THE WHOLE FUCKING DAY. I WANTED TO LYNCH BATSNACKS EOD1 HE GOT FUCKING LYNCHED I HELPED JAT PUSH THAT I WANTED SUPER LYNCHED THOUGHT GERIPT COULD BE TOWN AND VIVAX COULD BE TOWN I MADE CASES ON SUPER LYNCHED TOWN GERIPT. DAY THREE I GOT MY FUCKING LYNCH ON SCUM DAY FOUR IT WAS A FUCKING AUTOLYNCH ON RITOKY SO WHATS THAT GB I HAVENT TAKEN STANCES ALL GAME? SCREW YOU IF YOU THINK THATS TURE YOU HAVENT EVEN READ THE GAME DIDNT KNOW BOTH WAGONS DAY 1 WERE TOWN GOODJOB | ||
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On January 04 2015 14:28 Damdred wrote: I don't want to sound broken but, I think we lynch super right now for continuously promising content and letting us down and being able to ghost through the day easily. I'm sleeping now but please vote super. On January 04 2015 23:40 Damdred wrote: Guys, we have to lynch super here. Keeps promising content but leaves after a couple of posts I know I deserve some heat but I'm right it's scrum behavior and super is angry at everything not usual for his town game. Please vote super viv shouldn't be the lynch On January 05 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: I'm still going to push a super lynch as I can but I'll look at people on your wagon at work so will be random posting On January 05 2015 08:49 Damdred wrote: Can we please lynch super, I have a real feeling this is scrum. Please trust my gut this isn't town Super, totally different tone and posting. On January 05 2015 09:03 Damdred wrote: Super is needlessly abrasive in all of his posts. Dissapears regularly barely interacts with things going on. Makes excuses constantly, did I say no content even though he's been here and only shows up when talked about. And the anger at Sl claim, just doesn't seem town. On January 05 2015 09:17 Damdred wrote: Lynch superbia the anger at the cop claim is so bad do it vote him On January 05 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote: God super only playing since he's on the block please just lynch the he'll out of him. On January 05 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote: Duck palmar he hasn't read the thread at all. People please jump on superbia with me, just go. On January 05 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote: Vivax you have a town read on me. I can catch scrum, don't follow palmar who is so behind get on super On January 05 2015 13:44 Damdred wrote: Vivax would you switch to super? I don't want to yrll lots but I still think this is a solid lynch On January 05 2015 14:00 Damdred wrote: Kel and Viv switch to super get him out for my love Just a small sample of me not trying to really lynch super d2...this is also missing my original cases on super and some other posts i made. Just a small sample | ||
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Besides that if you fucking read the game for once in the past two games you will see that I pressed SL all night last night, talked with vivax bouncing reads off of him and talked to artanis when he was here. And obviously argued with SL. So not sure what you are on about now | ||
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IE: Heathstone my meta read on GB consisted of going through like 6 games to provoke a difference in gobs gameplay and to show he's scrum. The case I made was the biggest I ever did I think. GB thought he might be scrum because of it in a joke. However it was wrong, so I'm not using meta like that on GB anymore. Saying I use meta by saying that I said x does this when he's town, is a totally different concept to me, even if it is a small meta its different from hs by a large margin. Just focusing on Sl Wasn't going to get me anywhere. I spent all night talking and pressuring him, if I put him aside to look at again later I can at least look at other things. From how it read vivax made lm vote marv so don't see an issue. The eod had everyone yelling at me to change my vote GB,vivax and art mostly. With Sl acting really shady so not sure what the problem is it looked like someone trying to save a teammate which it wasn't obviously. | ||
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Probably marv, lm and maybe sl. I'm most unsure about Sl he could be town. I think GB, vivax, artanis are my top towns. KSC fell off but he's making posts now I have to read as well but he's in townpile atm | ||
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On January 17 2015 06:38 Vivax wrote: Marv scum, Kels town: Marv would have a hard time finding reasons to switch to Kels after they both pushed LM. Marv scum, Kels scum: Applies. We lynch marv first though cause I don't want him around spreading chaos tomorrow. Marv town, Kels scum : Kels doesn't want to lynch marv, directs attention to LM who could be his scumbuddy but gave up, and marv believes them. Also I've found in experience with marv scenario two isn't as likely as marv conceding would go up in that situation I think. | ||
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Also I have to look through lms filter on kel. However he looks like he wanted to lynch kel more but vivax told him to vote marv, because marv was trying to kill him. That strikes me as weird, because kel wanted to as well and lm knows that so why sheep right then for that reason | ||
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On January 17 2015 23:34 justanothertownie wrote: We will see about that. You better hope that you don't end up on the same scumteam as me then. If I end up with you JAT i'd try really hard because I know you do. But yea this was just really tiring and I don't want to see scum for a couple games in my pm | ||
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