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On November 18 2014 10:26 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I love this one
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To be honest my favorite align is mafia or sk
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I'll be somewhat afk for hours 2-9 probably of first day due o sleep i'll try to be active first hour probably
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I like boats I wish I could win a boat ride in a cereal box...on my phone so sorry for no cool picture
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Good morning world, woke up late and caught in traffic but I have decided instead of being proactive at work for the next hour i'm taking an early lunch to have fun playing mafia.
@Rayn I really look forward to hearing your read on templar
Liancourt is being weird in how he posts, on one hand his early posts are joking but his later ones are basically daring us to lynch him.
VE i'm actually leaning scum on, i'm going to look through some of his past games town/mafia but just off the top of my head in the past VE has always claimed to scum hunt through making a town circle which he is no really doing this game. Everything he is doing is really over the top especially for so early in the game and when hes called on it the over explanation is a pretty sharp contrast to how he even played town last game when he was simplistic in his approach to the game. While if you look at the anime mafia game (i'll have to look up the name) he came out the gate looking close to the same.
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On November 21 2014 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 21 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote: well instead (seeing as you are under pressure of being scummy) you should perhaps be answering the questions you are posing to other people instead or at least talking about anything that's happened in the entire game seeing as you've only defended yourself and then gone to bed and returned to ask a few questions I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. had to post this... lol you don't even know why i think he is mafia. which in and of itself bothers me. I have 1 post to go on for "why rayn thinks templar is mafia". I think that post was townie, so I disagree with you and think you look bad. It can wait, have your conversation with holyflare.
Hopeless can you show me why you think templars post looks townie ?
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So hopeless won't answer me until you post your case and you won't post your case until he answers some vague question what your case is.
Just post the case please rayn
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@HFwhat do you think about what I said about VE?
@Rayn, why would the first thing you post be a long post to HF about his interaction with another player rather than your promised case? Especially when you are so firm in that templars is mafia?
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HOpeless rayn has posed his case will ou please answer me now?
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On November 21 2014 02:51 Hopeless1der wrote: Damdred, I answered you. What are your thoughts?
Yes you did and I'm not sure about the conclusion that it is a town post. Your answer builds up in a way where its like you are scum reading him but town read him for things you could scum read him for
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On November 21 2014 05:14 Chezinu wrote:
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Hf what do you think about sl
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I am so dissapoint in you hf.
Honestly just going by meta on rayn its really hard to say for me. He's generally aggressive as mafia also besides fantasy 2, so its kinda null for him in my experience you have to look at the content he's posted and see how it works in the threads and how he's pushing etc.
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I'd have to look but I said aggressive style which a titanic game we played fits the bill rayn.
You always have a meh read on me on d1 hf
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On November 21 2014 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 06:00 Damdred wrote: I'd have to look but I said aggressive style which a titanic game we played fits the bill rayn.
You always have a meh read on me on d1 hf but i shitposted in that game and tried to "protect" marv/HF as long as i could. i didn't post anything, i just posted a shitton and almost all of the people read me as town and then some fucking dumb vigi (who also read me as town but "didn't like me") shot me. so no, there is nothing like this game. in Titanic IV i posted absolutely 0 analysis on anything.
Yes I would agree with you overall but you were still reasonably aggressive, which is what SL is townreading you on being aggressive. I think its null from you and not worth town reading you on content is your key I think
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What are you on about this time rayn?
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Hf could you give me your opinion on SL and rayn?
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Good morning, stop being so negative VE the game is still young.
@HF, I like your read on SL and on Rayn.
To me templar looks better now after reading his filter a bit and i'm still not sure why lian is being so self destructive even if hes scum.
@VE, do you still think HF is scum?
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ignore my last question ve i think we posted near the same time
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On November 22 2014 00:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. This is why I'm voting for Holyflare.
Stop being lazy VE, you haven't really tried to convince anyone that HF is mafia you have just kinda took pot shots at him and put your vote their. And I really just don't see scum!HF from what the little you are showing us
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On November 22 2014 00:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Then get led astray. Again.
You still haven't really shown why this is scum!hf you are just throwing your vote down and fucking off come on nowve
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Well do you think ritoky is scum (since your vote is there)
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On November 22 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote: my list of 6
We have I think something like 13 and a half hours left until deadline, so out of the six who would you say has the greatest shot at being scum?
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That hurts my heart hf, I understand you aren't having that much fun but at least try for me (this feels like pulling teeth with your right now).
I know your case on SL and its not bad at all, I think templar looks better after reading his filter again this morning but why me hf
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I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia.
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On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me.
Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads.
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On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific?
on phone so quotes will be limited
Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going.
You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process.
so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying
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For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now
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Just got home,
GB just stay a litlle longer to try to work this out i'm about to read hopeless now to see if I like him over SL.And sheep me yea?
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HF how sure are you on hopeless right now? I know your telling everyone to move but why him over SL?
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Oh you ninja'd me reading now
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My top scum read currently is SL for a multitude of reasons.
On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote: So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up. VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Lets start with the first bolded part. Read it, tell me does he have a real reason to read VE as town by the introduction into the thread.... Ok I gave you time to think about it, the short answer is NOOOOO its not reason enough to give someone a town read especially that early with the amount of information that was present in the thread at the time. It feels like he is trying to find a reason to townread someone and look like hes doing something in the thread.
Moving on to the next bolded portion of text to me this looks like the most whimsical scum read that their can be. I think such and such is scummy but i'll wait to see what <insert player name says> if he doesn't think much of the post why doesn't he elaborate on what is wrong in it and just go into it instead of trying to make someone else do something with it.
On November 20 2014 19:50 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 19:40 The_Templar wrote:On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote:
So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.
VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.
I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.
liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
Rayn confirmed that I am mafia based on that one post because he is such a good town player. I rarely see games where a town will act like liancourt is right now, especially on day 1. Will he really try to contribute to the discussion at all? He doesn't even seem to have a reason for doing this, but he is OK with calling me out for being mafia based on inactivity when I'm trying my best to ask questions that are somewhat relevant. No let me clarify I said your post means nothing to me, as in I dont see it making you town or scum. Thats why I said both rayn and you were null for me. Im just curious what rayn has to say
backtracking under a little bit of pressure
On November 21 2014 04:17 sicklucker wrote: I kinda wanna mislynch you again to ff ^_^. I got some time to contribute rereading the thread. ritoky is town. Hes trying to keep the peace and get that horribly overreacted fight done with. I dont think a mafia ever has the balls or the motive to keep the peace when we have people threatening to veggie shoot people two hours into the gamee.
This is just a super weird post to me. Even if it was a joke this is something that mafia would say. Before this post with ritoky he looked ok but I do not think is enough to town read someone on it basically looks like another town read out of nothing.
Look at his scum reads basically everything he says can be taken back from. Templar was his top scum read and soon as Templar pus together a few posts he immediately retreats and says whops nope. Every single one of his scum reads can easily be moved from. And some of them he doesn't even acknowledge past a point (hf).
Overall I find SL to be one of the most scummy people in the thread,he seems to come up with his townreads out of thin air. Even though he posts it doesn't feel like hes sticking his neck out very far and is able to pull back very easily from whatever he is doing. I think hes a good shot at scum
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Dammit hf why can't I think I'm right here? You don't even look at what I posted and comment
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On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredShow nested quote +On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote: I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote: For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL.
Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy.
Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case.
To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing.
I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing...
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On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote: I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote: For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. Show nested quote +To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. Show nested quote +I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. Show nested quote +I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Show nested quote + Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL.
I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really.
Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly.
I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking.
I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked.
Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post.
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On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote: I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote: For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active).
I didn't just say Hey this guy is town and go about my day though, I said he looks better after reading his filter.Disagreed with rayn that you hadn't done anything up to that point when it was clear that you had been doing things and at that point HF said basically the same thing I did but you jumped on me instead of HF. Im not sure why its important that when a town read of mine isn't being lynched i need o continually post that they are town. I think ritoky is town does that mean when i'm posting cases or trying to i need to get that in? That whole part makes no sense you defend your town reads when its necessary otherwise you look for scum i'm not sure what you mean on that part.
Agreed I wasn't terribly active was a rough week at work, I have reads but I generally hate lists posts and try not to make town cases overall I tried it and just don't like it.
I asked HF questions to try to figure out his alignment and he really felt like I was pulling teeth but he gave his thoughts. I agree I didn't follow up with Rayn with his read on hopeless but I did give my thoughts on hopeless answer which was his answer was pretty bad in my mind. Questions help me find alignments and find motives behind whats being said and help me build reads.
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On November 23 2014 06:22 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:14 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote: I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote: [quote]
Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote: For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). I didn't just say Hey this guy is town and go about my day though, I said he looks better after reading his filter.Disagreed with rayn that you hadn't done anything up to that point when it was clear that you had been doing things and at that point HF said basically the same thing I did but you jumped on me instead of HF. Im not sure why its important that when a town read of mine isn't being lynched i need o continually post that they are town. I think ritoky is town does that mean when i'm posting cases or trying to i need to get that in? That whole part makes no sense you defend your town reads when its necessary otherwise you look for scum i'm not sure what you mean on that part. Agreed I wasn't terribly active was a rough week at work, I have reads but I generally hate lists posts and try not to make town cases overall I tried it and just don't like it. I asked HF questions to try to figure out his alignment and he really felt like I was pulling teeth but he gave his thoughts. I agree I didn't follow up with Rayn with his read on hopeless but I did give my thoughts on hopeless answer which was his answer was pretty bad in my mind. Questions help me find alignments and find motives behind whats being said and help me build reads. I went after you and not HF because you didn't do anything at that point in the game besides say "Oh, Templar could be town". HF changing his mind on me was also more important than you mentioning it because he actually made an effort to get people to unvote me, which sounds a lot less like a mafia trying to come in afterwards, saying "See, I told you he was town". You do not need to continually post that I am town, but instead give examples and say why. You can say it one time for all I care, if you explain what your reasoning is (with quotes!). Last paragraph: Fair enough, but I would prefer you giving your thoughts on the answers to your own questions more often than you currently are. Since day 2 begins on a sunday, I expect you to be contributing a fair amount more than you did in day 1
HF for most of d1 (I still love you HF) was extremely lazy and played like he was going to the dentist to get a root canal. I disagreed with some statements on you and you jumped on me instead of people who did the exact same thing... Your sentence about the mafia coming in afterwards makes no sense, if you had been lynched and I did that your example would make sense but since you did not it really doesn't as I get no such credit from you being alive?
I did explain reasoning you disagreed with my reasoning and somehow feel like it hinges on quotes? It won't change the reasoning behind the townread at that point, i felt like the train of thought,activity, defense etc was towny. Sure i'll humor you and spam quotes next time but it won't change the end result.
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On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote: I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote: [quote] Can you be a bit more specific? on phone so quotes will be limited Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going. You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process. so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote: For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~
So glad i know how you truly feel about me now lian
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On November 23 2014 06:32 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:22 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:14 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote:DamdredOn November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote: [quote]
Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads. You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote: I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important? On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote: [quote]
on phone so quotes will be limited
Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going.
You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process.
so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not. His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point. When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. On November 22 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote: For more indepth stuff give me about an hour and a half or two hours currently finishing up my shift at work.
Sicklurker IS a good lynch today and I would like to lynch him. He's been flinging stuff and town reading people based on little to nothing and makes excuses. I would vote him very quickly if I had paint right now (is there a paint ap?). Look at the post he just talked about me in, the same things he's saying about me could be said for half the game probably.
Who cares if I haven't cluttered up the thread with tons of towneeads I tried that once it backfired pretty hard, I question currently and some things aboutrayn hf and ve bother me but I don't think that they could be mafia together so I'm reading other games when I have a break and I do have townreads like I would marry GB right now Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse. A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people. I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town." Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this. He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL. Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). I didn't just say Hey this guy is town and go about my day though, I said he looks better after reading his filter.Disagreed with rayn that you hadn't done anything up to that point when it was clear that you had been doing things and at that point HF said basically the same thing I did but you jumped on me instead of HF. Im not sure why its important that when a town read of mine isn't being lynched i need o continually post that they are town. I think ritoky is town does that mean when i'm posting cases or trying to i need to get that in? That whole part makes no sense you defend your town reads when its necessary otherwise you look for scum i'm not sure what you mean on that part. Agreed I wasn't terribly active was a rough week at work, I have reads but I generally hate lists posts and try not to make town cases overall I tried it and just don't like it. I asked HF questions to try to figure out his alignment and he really felt like I was pulling teeth but he gave his thoughts. I agree I didn't follow up with Rayn with his read on hopeless but I did give my thoughts on hopeless answer which was his answer was pretty bad in my mind. Questions help me find alignments and find motives behind whats being said and help me build reads. I went after you and not HF because you didn't do anything at that point in the game besides say "Oh, Templar could be town". HF changing his mind on me was also more important than you mentioning it because he actually made an effort to get people to unvote me, which sounds a lot less like a mafia trying to come in afterwards, saying "See, I told you he was town". You do not need to continually post that I am town, but instead give examples and say why. You can say it one time for all I care, if you explain what your reasoning is (with quotes!). Last paragraph: Fair enough, but I would prefer you giving your thoughts on the answers to your own questions more often than you currently are. Since day 2 begins on a sunday, I expect you to be contributing a fair amount more than you did in day 1 HF for most of d1 (I still love you HF) was extremely lazy and played like he was going to the dentist to get a root canal. I disagreed with some statements on you and you jumped on me instead of people who did the exact same thing... Your sentence about the mafia coming in afterwards makes no sense, if you had been lynched and I did that your example would make sense but since you did not it really doesn't as I get no such credit from you being alive?I did explain reasoning you disagreed with my reasoning and somehow feel like it hinges on quotes? It won't change the reasoning behind the townread at that point, i felt like the train of thought,activity, defense etc was towny. Sure i'll humor you and spam quotes next time but it won't change the end result. Bolded: I was likely to be lynched when you made those comments so it was relevant. It "hinges on quotes" because you haven't provided any specific examples of me doing what you say I'm doing. You're saying things without any proof.
Saying that you were likely to be lynched is probably an exaggeration plenty of time to still scum hunt and other people do hings. Just because I didn't quote things doesn't mean I didn't reference things in my posts for example your lists of reads not sur ewhy i would have to quote that since you posted it shortly before I posted but we are just arguing over you disagreeing with how i do things.
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On November 23 2014 06:45 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:37 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 00:50 The_Templar wrote: Damdred
[quote] You're really going to need to do better than that. This is barely even a defense of me at all. You weak-defend me a lot when it looks like I'm going to be lynched. Almost as if you know I'm going to flip town. While you posted this, which happened to be correct, [quote] You never actually said why this was accurate at all. You had 4 hours between these two posts and your only clarification was that "I drew attention to things". Well, what does this mean? Can you ever tell anyone how I actually played in mission mafia or is that no longer important?
[quote] "Templar posted a lot of words and some of them made sense so he is showing that he has basic literary skills, so I think Rayn's mafia read on him is wrong." This is not a town read. This is actually a "he is playing the game" read, used to determine whether you are going to policy lynch a lurker or not.
His soft reads of me as town combined with the fact I was likely to be lynched at that point make me read him scum up to this point.
When people start unvoting me, he immediately turns away from me to push sicklucker who he hadn't said anything specific on yet. [quote] Here's what I read. "I'm busy excuse excuse.
A IS a good lynch. By the way, I also want to lynch him. Suspicious things he's done mainly involve B (which I would like to clarify more but can't), as his reads apply to multiple people.
I haven't read many people as town because excuse excuse excuse excuse excuse completely unrelated read excuse excuse C is town."
Basically, he says SL is scummy because he's pushing a vague read onto him. At this point, it seems like OMGUS to me because it doesn't really mean much to say that someone is doing this.
He proceeds to make a fairly good case on SL, but he hasn't done anything since then despite being around. Basically, the only person he has bothered to invest time in reading is SL.
Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy. Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case. Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ So glad i know how you truly feel about me now lian no that was my douchebag persona talking
haha i got a kick out of it no worries
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On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 01:16 Damdred wrote: [quote]
Honestly your case is a whole bunch of nitpicky things that really don't add up to me being mafia in the grand scheme of things or hell they don't even make me scummy.
Your first couple of points against me basically amount to, he did not post enough words which btw is most of your case.
Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist. To move on when i clarified and what you call as i say you are playing the game isn't what it is at all. As mafia generally the train of thought is more fragmented and you can't really see how person got to point a o point b, you can somewhat see it and to me i looks like you are critically thinking about what you are doing. Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null. I'm no sure what it has to do that I stop talking about someone who is a town read when they aren't going to be lynched at that moment, this whole part doesn't make sense to me. I move from someone I think is own o someone who I think is pretty scummy.
My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though. I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with your last part, I wanted to make a case on sl I was unable to do so and when I was able to do so I did so. Its only an EXCUSE when you can't deliver on a promise, and not sure wha tyou mean about not doing things even though i'm around.... How do you know when i'm here or when i'm not.I was here after my case but the only people in the thread were ff who was on my scum read and Hopeless there really wasn't much to do at that point.
You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then? Overall i'm not exactly sure what you are doing here, it doesn't quite feel like a scum read and the conclusion feels like is missing... I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things?
Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him
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On November 23 2014 06:49 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:47 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote: [quote]
I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really.
Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly.
I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking.
I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked.
Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things? Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him When I said I obviously meant That's just nitpicking me.
So basically what your doin to everything I post?
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...i gave examples and pointed towards posts you are just upset that i couldn't quote said posts at the time and now you are making a big deal about it
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Why do you want to lynch only GB and by a mile?
I do take offense at that I brought legitamate things forward rit.
Also templar why you defend me in one post and berate me in another ;;
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On November 23 2014 07:44 sicklucker wrote: GB is a mafia in so many worlds. He voted for 3 towns or 2 if you dont believe me
What kind of messed up way is this to tell who is mafia or not? People have bad reads people have good reads town votes town all the time. This just smells so much like someone trying to make up a reason to lynch someone.
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Why would you berate me all night and part of yesterday for not throwing all of my reads out their and now you say you are to hesitant to discuss all of your reads now?
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Are you scum reading GB? Why does it matter as long as they are in the thread?
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Ok. Basically why are you hesitant to discuss them with a null read to see if you can determine their alignment.
Also the thread could discuss them so why hold back
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VE is never scum as an un cc big GB what you talkin bout
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Why is that even important? If he hadn't of claimed I thought there was enough to see him scummy
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On November 24 2014 02:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote: Why is that even important? If he hadn't of claimed I thought there was enough to see him scummy It is important because you saw he was playing just like Devil's Riddle mafia, pushed on him, and suddenly your vote was on sick lucker. You didn't seem to push VE like you were scumreading him. You didn't seem to convince people he is mafia. Why is that?
Your right I did say he was playing that way, and he was. Bit the thing that was most telling about VE was his actions from the vote being placed on him to his EoD so I was watching and trying to develop a better read on him. I was unsure about my read based on meta when I was so far off the last meta case I did and when I read SL I thought he was the best d1 lynch
Now it doesn't matter on him
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On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote: "Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."
@GB
Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him
Ok. Motives I have scumread Templar1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward 2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?) 3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum. 4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker) Motives I am now townreading Templar:1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads) 2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum) 3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.
id like to talk about this post.
Tell me how this makes temp town. Reason three is bad because mafia will townread people a good bit of the time yea? Why are you an easy lynch? Why should you town read someone on that?
I think you said in another post that you think actives are mafia, why is this a town tell for temp in this case?
I'm partial to SL being scum but what other read or push has temp done today that causes you to say this?
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On November 24 2014 08:36 GlowingBear wrote: People, I'm not trying to defend myself anymore. Maybe it's even better that town mislynches me so people don't waste day3 still debating me.
So you guys that decided your votes on me, let's talk about the others. I'm afraid we are still too much disorganised.
This isn't protown GB and you know it martyring never saved town anything and if we lynch you to not debate you tommorow what would we be stuck on then? Temp? Chez? Slam?
Optimum play is to scum hunt defend yourself when necessary and push your lynch so stop it
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On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote: I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome. Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read himIf you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both.
Sorry just got home from work crazy day.
I'll start off with Slam. I really don't know how to read slam, Oats or VE told me you can tell something about slams alignment how freely he posts and if he makes posts that actually make sense. If thats actually correct then he looks townish even if he was wrong on the kos.
Templars is a really hard alignment for me, i had a town read going into the night with him with how he was thinking. But his night activity with hitting me over the head for thinking he was towny really set me back on him and left a bad taste in my mouth. He read me as pinkish at one point during the night (mafia lean) I take it, but now has me null by his last drawing, his case for today was some form of trap for people to stumble into which doesn't make much sense to me. He also said last night that if my play did not improve dramatically he would lynch me but besides a few posts in response to me hasn't really pushed me or tried to get me lynched despite my activity being low again today in fact he only mentioned my scum read SL and I think hes willing to vote with me. All of its really weird play when you consider last night and today and fell off activity wise so i'm moving him into my scum lean category
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Also was just rereading something to see if i remembered correctly, besides SL and his paint Temp hasn't given reads today even though hes asked and dodged a lot today about them. Also his read on SL is just a trap so not sure
Why didn't you go at him again about those reads he was hesitant to share with you before GB?
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Why those three GB? Why isn't templar in the list?
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How do you take his response to what you asked of him right now towards myself and slam then?
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I like a templar or SL lynch today honesly not so much a GB lynch though.
SL (I wrote a case on him before even if ritoky says its not strong) it still stands.
Templar is an equally good lynch.
Starting on n1 templar does some weird things in light of his previous day play.
1) His reads are almost nonexistent by the large, we have a case on SL, a NULL read on Damdred a Null read on GB and a scum read on lian and Slam I believe.
He had a scum read on myself and it vanished after he said I looked somewhat towny in some of my posts even if it took me awhile to get their. He still calls me null at this point but throws a bit of dirt on me in this post
On November 24 2014 23:58 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote: I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome. Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read himIf you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both. Damdred is a null read, Alakaslam is a town --> null --> slight scum read as I read through his filter. Damdred's responses to my pressure are towny, although they take a while to get anywhere. My first problem with him now is his response here. Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 11:49 Damdred wrote:On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote: I'm out people.
Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.
Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome. Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read himIf you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both. Sorry just got home from work crazy day. I'll start off with Slam. I really don't know how to read slam, Oats or VE told me you can tell something about slams alignment how freely he posts and if he makes posts that actually make sense. If thats actually correct then he looks townish even if he was wrong on the kos. Templars is a really hard alignment for me, i had a town read going into the night with him with how he was thinking. But his night activity with hitting me over the head for thinking he was towny really set me back on him and left a bad taste in my mouth. He read me as pinkish at one point during the night (mafia lean) I take it, but now has me null by his last drawing, his case for today was some form of trap for people to stumble into which doesn't make much sense to me. He also said last night that if my play did not improve dramatically he would lynch me but besides a few posts in response to me hasn't really pushed me or tried to get me lynched despite my activity being low again today in fact he only mentioned my scum read SL and I think hes willing to vote with me. All of its really weird play when you consider last night and today and fell off activity wise so i'm moving him into my scum lean category So first of all, he doesn't actually answer your question about slam. He also tried to make me look worse than I should look for pressuring him over the night. Let me put something very clearly right now: I was not reading him as a slight pink solely because he was saying I was town, but because he was trying to look like he was contributing without providing any substance. He ridiculed my pressure of him in its aftermath which is extremely confusing, acting as if I should have never tried. So, I read him null at the time as these two conflict quite a bit. Also, Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote: Also was just rereading something to see if i remembered correctly, besides SL and his paint Temp hasn't given reads today even though hes asked and dodged a lot today about them. Also his read on SL is just a trap so not sure
Why didn't you go at him again about those reads he was hesitant to share with you before GB? I already said this was an actual meta-read, and that it didn't exist for the sole purpose of being a trap. I said this multiple times so I don't know why he's mentioning anything else. Alakaslam: I don't really know him at all and he's extremely confusing. That said, his posts towards the end of day one gave me a town vibe as he was active, asking questions to gather current data instead of merely reading the thread to catch up (although it seems he did both). The exception: Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 08:15 Alakaslam wrote: Let's kill Liancourt.
Because why not. Someone defense him for to FITE ME because I dont' think he will even defend himself. Followed by a "You don't want to lynch him? Then who do you want to lynch?" post towards me, followed by switching to lead the lynch on the other lurker. If he was going to lynch a lurker, why did he bother to do anything besides figure out why he should unvote me? Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:21 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 11:14 Alakaslam wrote: Ritoky have you ever been in a game with Chezinu Izhunizech?
I can't remember if I spelled that right, sorry C
Please answer promptly ritoky. nope, no idea who that is ... Chezinu... Anyway so Chezinu does as he does. He plays according to the House of Brown. He is the founder, I visit on occasion. He sees VERY clearly with the eyes of CHUPAZI, my own vision is about 20:20 left eye, 20:32 right eye. However Chezinu sees with a clarity unsurpassed at 20:10 both eyes. As scum he is to be feared. He will snipe every blue and guide the RB, allowing the blues to live just long enough that they do not realize they are compromised. As town he is indecipherable to the scum, suddenly he knows your alignment and you do not know how, but he simply KNOWS. I fear him more when I roll scum than just about anyone on the site. He is not to be lost Day1. Also, I'm curious on this post. I have seen no evidence of what Chezinu has been said to be capable of in this thread. All he is doing is posting images of various geometric shapes, save one large list of reads. So unless he "knows" the mafia the above post is just filler. His day 2 activity is similarly confusing to me. His activity pre-page o' spam mainly consists of talking about the night actions and not actually doing anything about the reads flying around, as he did in day 1. Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 15:18 Alakaslam wrote: Deli rean is actually pretty slow.
You know I find that often, when vets early in the game make a read but it gets ignored and is followed by a mislynch, the read was actually correct.
Having been humbled, and finding all The vets are most likely town, I will vote Templar with my phone paint
In case sent doesn't recognize it Nice explanation of voting me... wait Most of his posts that aren't talking about the night actions are "I will consider this" followed by not really doing anything about it, filler, asking for help figuring people out, or stuff I actually can't read like this Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 15:30 Alakaslam wrote:Oh! True I haven't given reads... So I would say Sicklucker and Lian aren't cool, but Lian wants to lynch temp, similar to vets, doubt he would bus after attention fell away. So can't both be scum! Glowing bro b mah brodda, seems he wouldn't like that; guess he just that HAWT gal in high school dat iz lieks by erry body but h8s ppl, including me Den vets praktikal konfirm SSON; town actually in a very good place. I give Chezinu much earlier you should know how I see him Who is left? Ah damdred I dunno I DINNAE see him The thing about the Chezinu read in this post is that we don't know how Alakaslam sees him. We just know that he respects him as a player, nothing he has said about Chezinu is actually alignment-indicative. I don't know, he seems like he is dodging doing anything helpful that makes sense. His list of reads looks rushed (and I can barely read it) and he hasn't done anything original since day 1 at all except filler. I feel like this heavily depends on his meta but I've already been driven to madness by looking through his filter here. Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 23:41 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2014 22:41 ritoky wrote:On November 24 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hosts can you confirm whether or not a doctor save is informed in case they get shot. regardless of if the host says yes or no, the fact that you posted this gives me a town boner +1 rayn Will you still have this opinion if Rayn is basically confirmed as mafia by the host? (Although I seriously doubt that will happen as mafia Rayn probably asked by PM, no?)
What he did over night was not pressure it was start a pissing match over different methods and he spent an hour berating me for town reading him without quotes basically and went on to say my sl case was good. He says I do not answer GB about how i read slam when I literally answered "Hey i don't know how to read slam but this is how others told me to read him"
Either way his sudden shift from scum reading me to town reading me doesn't make a lot of sense and shows little progression in the way hes went about it.
His scum read on lian is pretty much unexplained besides OMGUS I believe, he doesn't give much in the way of thoughts as to why lian is scum besides the initial ok this guy is starting to play horribly at the start of the game.
I think he has a mafia read on Slam currently but i'm not sure as his post lacks conclussions and his push on d2 seems to amount to nothing, slam comes down to his filter drives him mad which isn't a read in itself.
2) During his talk with GB and myself in d2 he said a few times he was hesitant to discuss his reads
On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too. I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn 2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening) 3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that.3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta.
He says it a couple of other times and GB and myself asked him for these reads so the thread could discuss them. But he dodged and never came back to give these reads that he was hesitant to show.
3) Lack of follow through with things he has said before in the thread, he had a scum read on me as previously mentioned going into d2 and has said before that if my play had not picked up d2 he would push for my lynch. Instead of this promised push (admittedly i've been more inactive over the weekend time period) he decides to null read me and barely mention me at all.
His push today on SL is my own scum read and is a meta case in which earlier he said he hated meta cases and then goes onto say that its partially a trap to see if people aren't reading the thread. He says he himself is not reading the thread though, he has unexplained scum reads and his reads on people switch from one extreme to the other without thought being seen in the thread just vague ideas.
This guy is scum vote him with me
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What do you think of my case GB?
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Vote count when hosts can please.
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Because hes scum ritoky, him and templar are possibly both scum hes willing to lynch templar in one post but now hes backing off and trying to direct elsewhere
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I might of misunderstood your list
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On November 25 2014 08:43 ritoky wrote: why are both of you placing so much more effort into that other game and not this one? your filter in the other game is already 1/4 of yours in this game damdred, and dat game only been up for like 30 minutes.
I've put effort into this game i've made two cases and voting for what I think is scum though i'd be happy to lynch SL as well.
And its kinda hard for me to talk by myself honestly makes me feel uncomfortable to just post with no one to talk with i guess
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I don't think you've even mentioned my case on emplar or commented on it. So talk to me about that or where you want to go today rit
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Most of the things pointed out on templar were pointed out by me before and I condensed them all into a case, so I disagree heavily that 1) a case has to be completely original as different peoples ideas and concetps should be used to build cases with if they have good points. 2) That I am not being original orthought provoking since I pointed out a lot of stuff about him earlier.
I've been here with you and GB somewhat fighting, I don't like a GB lynch I thought i said it before. So basically you don't mind lynching half of the players left?
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On November 25 2014 08:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 08:47 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 08:43 ritoky wrote: why are both of you placing so much more effort into that other game and not this one? your filter in the other game is already 1/4 of yours in this game damdred, and dat game only been up for like 30 minutes. I've put effort into this game i've made two cases and voting for what I think is scum though i'd be happy to lynch SL as well. And its kinda hard for me to talk by myself honestly makes me feel uncomfortable to just post with no one to talk with i guess one of your scum reads, in SL, is here and actively posting; why aren't you pushing that read to get more information out of him? like it can only give you more information to further your read or make you see him in a different light....yet you're basically not even interacting with him in this thread...go over to the other thread and voila. do you really want to lynch SL?
I would be really happy to lynch SL today becuase I think that my case on him is still pretty solid and he has been a bit wishy washy even today with his "Oh I would switch to lynch this person" hes not briningmuch thought to the thread and just seems to go with the flow overall.
And I thought we have been down this road before ritoky with reading me as one alignment or another based on two different games going on at the same time?
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On November 25 2014 09:01 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 08:57 Damdred wrote: Most of the things pointed out on templar were pointed out by me before and I condensed them all into a case, so I disagree heavily that 1) a case has to be completely original as different peoples ideas and concetps should be used to build cases with if they have good points. 2) That I am not being original orthought provoking since I pointed out a lot of stuff about him earlier.
I've been here with you and GB somewhat fighting, I don't like a GB lynch I thought i said it before. So basically you don't mind lynching half of the players left? i don't have many towns. and i have 4 scum reads, you read my reads post cuz you commented about it earlier.
I believe I did read your reads post, i hate being scum read on activity but some of the things you mentioned about me were pretty good observations I must admit. I'm just no sure about the GB overall it still looks like town GB with all the bluster and hard to define reads
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On November 25 2014 09:07 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 09:03 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 08:57 ritoky wrote:On November 25 2014 08:47 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 08:43 ritoky wrote: why are both of you placing so much more effort into that other game and not this one? your filter in the other game is already 1/4 of yours in this game damdred, and dat game only been up for like 30 minutes. I've put effort into this game i've made two cases and voting for what I think is scum though i'd be happy to lynch SL as well. And its kinda hard for me to talk by myself honestly makes me feel uncomfortable to just post with no one to talk with i guess one of your scum reads, in SL, is here and actively posting; why aren't you pushing that read to get more information out of him? like it can only give you more information to further your read or make you see him in a different light....yet you're basically not even interacting with him in this thread...go over to the other thread and voila. do you really want to lynch SL? I would be really happy to lynch SL today becuase I think that my case on him is still pretty solid and he has been a bit wishy washy even today with his "Oh I would switch to lynch this person" hes not briningmuch thought to the thread and just seems to go with the flow overall. And I thought we have been down this road before ritoky with reading me as one alignment or another based on two different games going on at the same time? yes and last time you were different alignments in them and the one you put more effort into was the one you were mafia in. but then again i was also mafia trying to push a ML on you, so don't blame me for having a bs reason in that game. my issue with you this game is i don't see you REALLY following through. like you go into the tunnel a bit when you have a scum read like myself, and i don't see that happening in the slightest. further, it feels to me like you're really trying to stay out of the fray and not get involved in the really contentious topics. or at least not at the times when they are really contentious.
Haha I don't blame you at all that game, i'm just glad i cop checked you that game for whatever reason.
Your first point is valid I know that I have a problem with tunneling and have somehwat been trying to correct that, you played hearthstone with me and I tried my best not to tunnel in that game. I think HF was giving me crap about pushing my SL read when I shoudl be sheeping him on hopeless as well.
The last point well I find hat to be a bit nitpicky though, if i'm here I try to talk through everything if i'm not its hard to be involved and yea.
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On November 25 2014 09:11 sicklucker wrote: Of course ritoky I also agree we should lynch gb over templar. Ill help you convince people but I feel they all want templar gone first
"Oh hey i'm happy as long as anyone dies thats not my partner"
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On November 25 2014 09:13 sicklucker wrote: Damdred who would you lynch outside of the obvious plays of me and temp
I can only hunt one scum at a time obviously, but chez is almost a policy lynch type deal going for him.
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whats the ote coun just got in
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Just got up.
Rayn doesn't even comment on what I've done just said can't remember bah
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we should lynch SL tommorow i think its the best thing to do
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On November 26 2014 05:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 05:07 Damdred wrote: we should lynch SL tommorow i think its the best thing to do Oh damdy. Ooooh damdy. Why do I have such a bad time reading you? Why not slam?
I have no idea how to read slam gb, you brought up some really good points about him and I would vote with you on him but i'm more confident in SL tommorow.
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Rayn you don't even read most of what I post you jus toss my name around glad the vets are being so pro right now.
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GB I like it when you try to figure out the game it makes me glad,the hunt is on.
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Rit to answer your question from earlier that I don't think I answered, the reason I didn't react strongly to rayn claiming to be medic saved was because it was a bad play as mafia to claim that and it was easily confirmable by the mod. Though pretend I'm dumb for a minute how does this make him mod confirmed town? It just means that medic visited him not alignment knowing?
GB is my current town read that I think should not be lynched. GB has tried to figure out the game and has stayed in the thread even during down times and tried to push conversation getting people talking. On a meta side GB struggles with explaining what he does and when which he has done talking to you and rayn I believe, he follows through with his promises to make cases and give reads. As scum GB is more lurky and never fullfills promises generally.
SL is my scum read I wrote a case earlier, but SL still hasn't done much and his only scum read has been myself that he's put any time into. I need to filter dive him again to make an updated case
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Oh yea I'm dumb forgot that.
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Yea I'm an idiot rit I forgot that succesdul save part
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Except I made a case on templar and pushed that scumread d2 since there was evidence to goweith wtf are you on about gb
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I did vote for SL d1 rayn ty for reading me I've done 2 cases. So please stop lying on me, I thought temp was super scummy made a case he was town oh well I TRIED to find scum a bit more than you did...
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Welp guys I guess its time for me to come clean, today we kill VE. I wanted to wait till today so I had my last bullet ready for tonight or tommorow.
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I'm the vigilante i've just been waiting for my reload time to be over so I can get VE out'd as mafia and then take ou another mafia tonight.
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Come join me on this wagon o Justice
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This would be a total suicide play by mafia here FF, mafia before hand knew that a vig would not claim while his second shot wasn't ready to go off so it gave them a bit of time and if the luger would of went through game would of been in a bad spot which is another reason I waited till now to claim.
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Cause I wasn't at the computer, I am the vigi we should hoenstly kill VE today so I can shoot SL tonight
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I'm a bad player rit remember that and I don't know when to claim, this is first time i've been at a comp since night basically. I am the vig we need to kill off VE so I can shoot into my top three suspects, I know i've played like crap this game but i've wanted to fly under the radar.
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On November 27 2014 09:18 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 09:17 Damdred wrote: Cause I wasn't at the computer, I am the vigi we should hoenstly kill VE today so I can shoot SL tonight tell me why you shot hopeless when you had 2 other well developed scum reads. and also tell me why chezinu is town.
I generally trust HF and he really believed hopeless was scum, my scum read while I think my case is still good....I doubt myself more than a lot of the other players, and since i was thinking hf would have a medic on him I figured he would be able to help on SL and when VE claimed immediately I thought it was a good time to si quiet and let me get my last shot ready
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On November 27 2014 09:19 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 09:17 Damdred wrote: Cause I wasn't at the computer, I am the vigi we should hoenstly kill VE today so I can shoot SL tonight why not shoot chez, slam, gb, or me? What makes SL so special?
Cause I still believe my case on him is good and he scum slipped i believe, I think GB is town, I have no idea how to read slam still, you claim roleblock night one and its the best time for scum to roleblock to try to find a blue, and no clue how to read chez.
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On November 27 2014 09:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 09:19 Damdred wrote: I'm a bad player rit remember that and I don't know when to claim, this is first time i've been at a comp since night basically. I am the vig we need to kill off VE so I can shoot into my top three suspects, I know i've played like crap this game but i've wanted to fly under the radar. this is LYLO, and unless we lynch the roleblocker, it is LYLO again tomorrow. I am lynching the most likely mafia, which is slam or chezinu; if one of them happens to be the RB then the vigi situation will resolve itself (or NKs will resolve it) if not, then there is ample time to discuss it. so unless you give me a COMPREHENSIVE case on why you're vigi, VE is not, and VE is NECESSARILY RB, then i am lynching slam or chez
I will shoot VE during the night or if i'm blocked will push for his lynch tommorow then. GB has the best case of the day/night on slam I would be willing to sheep my town reads onto him.
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GB trust me look at early game and how ve was and how he's afkd since and he only talked once I claimed as the real big come with me
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GB I couldn't risk getting shot early when we can hit mafia today and then shoot a mafia please help me
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Gg then scum you got the big sorry for the bad game town
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Sorry FF i tired to convince you guys
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hahaha, good job town.
Anyway sorry fo rmessing with you guys
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Meh, still a bit peeved about n2 and the GB kill was a bit meh
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It was a fun game though. Really enjoyable overall
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On December 01 2014 14:06 sicklucker wrote: Town destroyed themselves, but mafia was too lazy to seem town because of it
slams mod kill probably sealed it but crummy play happened after d2.
I really wanted rit dead d2 lol
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Yea literally committed suicide so that we had a50% chance to win the game that night, it was the right play I think overall. If slam would of been more active orknew he was going inactive it might of been optimal for him to do it though. Either way killing ritoky d2 would of made the next few days a lot easier lian was pretty tunneled on people he thought was scummy
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NK were iffy, N1 nightkills weren't to bad, I really disagree with shooting Rayn that night he was a bit off and people were a bit suspicious of him. Should of been HF and Ritoky the game would of been so different.
Lian and GB shot was meh, should of been Ritoky and VE or ritoky and then rayn the next night but still was a good game
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Rit. I'll shoot you n1 next time
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