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On November 06 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. All of those can be traced back to exactly one thing though: Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. What is KSC's motivation for waiting until 3 minutes before deadline to rescind? There is no town motivation there.
You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning.
So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town.
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On November 06 2014 08:30 Breshke wrote:
Also look when immaterial placed his vote. At this time in the thread KSC was still a cc, immaterial would not have known that LS was the real cop as either alignment he just seemed to be voting with what town was doing at the time because he wasn't caught up. Serejai i want you to do something for me now that is legit hard to do in my opinion because i never can. I want you to consider immaterial is town, who now is your scum team?
My scum list hasn't really changed. I think it's Elvis + batsnacks, and one other. That third has shifted from Fecal to Immaterial, though, and last night complicates things a bit because now everyone but Grack looks scummy to me for their voting.
So, if I were to pretend Immaterial is town... I would probably go with Elvis, batsnacks, and kush. I would like to say Kelsier, but that would either mean I'm wrong about batsnacks or that batsnacks is bussing Kelsier. I don't think either is likely, and everyone else is equally scummy to me... so I'd go with kush because he's basically AFK and not contributing anyway.
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Wars bide... my friends.
And I'm at war with Immaterial today.
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On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment?
So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page.
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On November 06 2014 08:38 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. All of those can be traced back to exactly one thing though: Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. What is KSC's motivation for waiting until 3 minutes before deadline to rescind? There is no town motivation there. You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning. So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town.
If you at any point thought Lightning was the real cop, the only logical course of action for you to take (as town) would be to vote KSC since he was the one ccing.
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I agree with bats and Bresh here.
Why blame people who stayed on the vote etc. and not kelsier for making people change their vote back to the cop?
He is the one conceiving people here, let's blame the conceiver and not the conceived.
These posts by Serejai would make a lot of sense if he and Kelsier would be a scum team.
Kelsier making people vote on the cop, not retrieving his CC in time and having a shitty excuse, Serejai blaming people who followed him but kinda sheeping Kelsier even though his actions were easily a lot more controversial.
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Serejai is making much more sense today.
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On November 06 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment? So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page.
I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone.
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On November 06 2014 08:57 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:38 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. All of those can be traced back to exactly one thing though: Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. What is KSC's motivation for waiting until 3 minutes before deadline to rescind? There is no town motivation there. You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning. So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town. If you at any point thought Lightning was the real cop, the only logical course of action for you to take (as town) would be to vote KSC since he was the one ccing.
Why? Had I moved my vote to Kelsier, nothing would have happened because everyone thought me and Lightning were both scum.
On the other hand, as soon as Grack said he was willing to vote for Immaterial I spoke up and said that was a good idea. Convincing people to switch to Immaterial was the only way to save Lightning, and it was something I could do because Grack was supportive of it. I would have had ZERO support for switching votes to Kelsier.
It would have been different if people had a town read on me, or - you know - bothered to listen to me when I said it didn't make sense for Lightning to change his vote if he were scum. But nope, everyone - yourself included - was so convinced me and Lightning were both scum that you ignored everything I said.
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On November 06 2014 09:03 Elvis! wrote:
I agree with bats and Bresh here.
Why blame people who stayed on the vote etc. and not kelsier for making people change their vote back to the cop?
He is the one conceiving people here, let's blame the conceiver and not the conceived.
These posts by Serejai would make a lot of sense if he and Kelsier would be a scum team.
Kelsier making people vote on the cop, not retrieving his CC in time and having a shitty excuse, Serejai blaming people who followed him but kinda sheeping Kelsier even though his actions were easily a lot more controversial.
These tunneling posts are getting old. Of course you agree with bats; he's your scumbuddy. The only two things you've done all game are talk about how town bats is and how scum I am.
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On November 06 2014 09:03 Elvis! wrote:
I agree with bats and Bresh here.
Why blame people who stayed on the vote etc. and not kelsier for making people change their vote back to the cop?
He is the one conceiving people here, let's blame the conceiver and not the conceived.
These posts by Serejai would make a lot of sense if he and Kelsier would be a scum team.
Kelsier making people vote on the cop, not retrieving his CC in time and having a shitty excuse, Serejai blaming people who followed him but kinda sheeping Kelsier even though his actions were easily a lot more controversial.
Where did you get the impression that I agreed with bats?
I actually believe serejai is really really townie today so i disagree with you on that.
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On November 06 2014 09:05 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:57 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:38 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. All of those can be traced back to exactly one thing though: Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. What is KSC's motivation for waiting until 3 minutes before deadline to rescind? There is no town motivation there. You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning. So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town. If you at any point thought Lightning was the real cop, the only logical course of action for you to take (as town) would be to vote KSC since he was the one ccing. Why? Had I moved my vote to Kelsier, nothing would have happened because everyone thought me and Lightning were both scum. On the other hand, as soon as Grack said he was willing to vote for Immaterial I spoke up and said that was a good idea. Convincing people to switch to Immaterial was the only way to save Lightning, and it was something I could do because Grack was supportive of it. I would have had ZERO support for switching votes to Kelsier. It would have been different if people had a town read on me, or - you know - bothered to listen to me when I said it didn't make sense for Lightning to change his vote if he were scum. But nope, everyone - yourself included - was so convinced me and Lightning were both scum that you ignored everything I said.
I was convinced Lightning was scum because we had a counter claim. That is the reason. And it is a damn good reason.
I don't fault you because of your vote on Immaterial, despite what you think I actually tried to switch my vote to him once I figured out I could save the cop by doing so. I think you're scummy for other reasons.
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On November 06 2014 09:08 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:05 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:57 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:38 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. All of those can be traced back to exactly one thing though: Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. What is KSC's motivation for waiting until 3 minutes before deadline to rescind? There is no town motivation there. You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning. So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town. If you at any point thought Lightning was the real cop, the only logical course of action for you to take (as town) would be to vote KSC since he was the one ccing. Why? Had I moved my vote to Kelsier, nothing would have happened because everyone thought me and Lightning were both scum. On the other hand, as soon as Grack said he was willing to vote for Immaterial I spoke up and said that was a good idea. Convincing people to switch to Immaterial was the only way to save Lightning, and it was something I could do because Grack was supportive of it. I would have had ZERO support for switching votes to Kelsier. It would have been different if people had a town read on me, or - you know - bothered to listen to me when I said it didn't make sense for Lightning to change his vote if he were scum. But nope, everyone - yourself included - was so convinced me and Lightning were both scum that you ignored everything I said. I was convinced Lightning was scum because we had a counter claim. That is the reason. And it is a damn good reason. I don't fault you because of your vote on Immaterial, despite what you think I actually tried to switch my vote to him once I figured out I could save the cop by doing so. I think you're scummy for other reasons.
Don't come in here and claim you thought Lightning was scum because of Kelsier's counter claim when
a) You were the first person to vote to lynch Lightning,
b) Well before he claimed cop, and
c) Even longer before Kelsier counter-claimed
You thought he was scum because you "caught him in my bat trap" or whatever nonsense you were wrong about.
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Again, Immaterial is a very easy target to make a push on for Serejai and distracts from him still having almost the same opinion about everyone than he had at the beginning, even though so much has been going on.
Also as an example his list:
On November 06 2014 08:13 Serejai wrote:
Immaterial - My choice for a lynch today because of what played out last night and his general scummy behavior prior to that. I feel that we will learn the most from lynching him.
Elvis - Scum, but lynching him wouldn't really give any clues as to who the other scum are.
Batsnacks - Same as Elvis.
Fecal - Still leaning scum, but far less than I was yesterday. Immaterial has taken over his spot for me.
kush - Still leaning scum, but he's at the bottom of my list and has been AFK so much there's really no good way to read him.
Bresh - Formerly town, now I'm null on him.
sicklucker - null, but leaning slightly town. Hasn't been here long enough to really get a good read.
Kelsier - was null, now leaning scum. His fake CC last night could very easily have been a scum move. Once Lightning claimed cop and votes started moving off him, Kelsier could have really wanted the cop dead and as such used a fake CC to get votes back on Lightning. After all, Lightning was kind of bumbling around already so it wouldn't have been hard to paint him as a liar. Then, at the last minute Keslier rescinds his fake CC. Cop still gets lynched and Kelsier is cleared of any wrongdoing. As scum, this would actually have been a pretty safe play for him; he would know Lightning was telling the truth so there would be nobody to dispute his fake CC.
Superbia - With Grack gone, this is my only real town read at the moment and I'm not sure how strong it is since he's not overly active in the thread.
Sentinel - Thought he was town at first, then he started acting scummy... now I feel like he's null but leaning town, and the reason he seems scummy is because he's just a bad player.
Seems like scum wanting to look productive.
Look at each and every one of his posts.
Non are commital, non are new, none have proof and the only one that is a little bit bigger and more legit is the one at kelsier - the person he really doesn't want to lynch and keeps sheeping/ignoring in his recent posts.
Also his post on kelsier is pretty much copy-pasted from posts people have made about kelsier previously.
Mafia loves making these lists as mentioned in multiple mafia guides etc. and this is a prime example for a mafia list.
All the points are wishy-washy and there is not use for town on this list.
For now:
##Vote Serejai
Of course this vote is subject to change, a lot of people have barely posted since the EoD.
To these people: please post your opinions on:
Kelsier and his weird late CC-pullback
Serejai and his posts about who he thinks is mafia and his sheeping of Kelsier.
How much connection there is between the two.
Sicklucker and his post about it should have been him or Grack that should have been killed. A little idea about him I have that this is not coincidence and he might be mafai. only minor lean tho so far.
Kush and his hiding.
Wether or not you think Immaterial is scum.
I know it's a big list, but people haven't talked!
Let's discuss and find scum, town!
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On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment? So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page. I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone.
That's not good enough, if you think he is mafia make a proper case. Having a read on one person out of 11 for today isn't going to cut it i don't care how sure you are.
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On November 06 2014 09:12 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:08 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 09:05 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:57 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:38 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. All of those can be traced back to exactly one thing though: Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. What is KSC's motivation for waiting until 3 minutes before deadline to rescind? There is no town motivation there. You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning. So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town. If you at any point thought Lightning was the real cop, the only logical course of action for you to take (as town) would be to vote KSC since he was the one ccing. Why? Had I moved my vote to Kelsier, nothing would have happened because everyone thought me and Lightning were both scum. On the other hand, as soon as Grack said he was willing to vote for Immaterial I spoke up and said that was a good idea. Convincing people to switch to Immaterial was the only way to save Lightning, and it was something I could do because Grack was supportive of it. I would have had ZERO support for switching votes to Kelsier. It would have been different if people had a town read on me, or - you know - bothered to listen to me when I said it didn't make sense for Lightning to change his vote if he were scum. But nope, everyone - yourself included - was so convinced me and Lightning were both scum that you ignored everything I said. I was convinced Lightning was scum because we had a counter claim. That is the reason. And it is a damn good reason. I don't fault you because of your vote on Immaterial, despite what you think I actually tried to switch my vote to him once I figured out I could save the cop by doing so. I think you're scummy for other reasons. Don't come in here and claim you thought Lightning was scum because of Kelsier's counter claim when a) You were the first person to vote to lynch Lightning, b) Well before he claimed cop, and c) Even longer before Kelsier counter-claimed You thought he was scum because you "caught him in my bat trap" or whatever nonsense you were wrong about.
1) of course I was the first person to vote him he got bat trapped
2) Immediately after he claimed cop I unvoted him and said "damn it"
3) you're playing really poorly regardless of what your alignment is
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On November 06 2014 09:15 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment? So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page. I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone. That's not good enough, if you think he is mafia make a proper case. Having a read on one person out of 11 for today isn't going to cut it i don't care how sure you are.
Vote me then.
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aaaah I mixed things up sorry Breshke.
You posted about how Immaterial might not be at fault and I mistakenly put you in the wrong basket.
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On November 06 2014 09:18 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:15 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote:On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment? So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page. I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone. That's not good enough, if you think he is mafia make a proper case. Having a read on one person out of 11 for today isn't going to cut it i don't care how sure you are. Vote me then.
So let me get this straight.
1.You refuse to expand upon your read on KSC
2.You refuse to read anyone else in the game
3. You want me to vote you and not KSC
If you are so sure KSC is mafia it is you duty to convince us. Do you really think stuff like
On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia?
is going to convince people?
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On November 06 2014 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Serejai is making much more sense today.
I'm gonna have to disagree.
##vote KelsierSC
You killed the cop, man.
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