EPTdoes help scum
that is regardless of whether or not it's likely for me to get shot.
also it clutters the thread.
also im lazy.
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kushm4sta
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does help scum that is regardless of whether or not it's likely for me to get shot. also it clutters the thread. also im lazy. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On October 15 2014 05:14 kushm4sta wrote: doesn't help town does help scum that is regardless of whether or not it's likely for me to get shot. also it clutters the thread. also im lazy. the only points worth answering are the two on top. both are wrong. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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VisceraEyes
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On October 15 2014 05:14 kushm4sta wrote: doesn't help town does help scum Can you elaborate on these two points? I mean, I'm not asking for your reads, so you should be safe to answer this. Like in what situation does giving reads /not/ help town? And in what situation does giving reads help mafia? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On October 15 2014 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Can you elaborate on these two points? I mean, I'm not asking for your reads, so you should be safe to answer this. Like in what situation does giving reads /not/ help town? And in what situation does giving reads help mafia? doens't help town because you can just give the right before the night ends (or during the day phase if there is no chance of getting shot) instead. helps scum because it gives them information about your thoughts to better use their night actions. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 15 2014 05:22 kushm4sta wrote: doens't help town because you can just give the right before the night ends (or during the day phase if there is no chance of getting shot) instead. helps scum because it gives them information about your thoughts to better use their night actions. This is not right because, you see, townies do not know if you are town or mafia. That's going to be one less town to make a call on your alignment in case you post at the last minute. TLDR; that heuristic is crap regardless of your role, if you are town. | ||
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kushm4sta
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raynpelikoneet
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People just go "woo i'll hold on with my thoughts until the last minute (so noone can ever contribute anything which by default loses 24h of collective towns time)". I've always hated that. Always. Just because it's so wrong. For onvce i would hope to play a game where everyone played every phase of the game and scumhunted. Maybe someday... | ||
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kushm4sta
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On October 15 2014 05:22 kushm4sta wrote: doens't help town because you can just give the right before the night ends (or during the day phase if there is no chance of getting shot) instead. helps scum because it gives them information about your thoughts to better use their night actions. To the bolded, if you give it during the night though, you can engage with other players and refine and develop your reads without the stress of having to do so under a deadline. Like, how you spend your time in this game is just as important as how you form your reads, and you're taking the first half and throwing it in the trash this game. To the italicized, you said it yourself - this is a game of imperfect information. If you play the game without A) making yourself readable to the rest of players and B) sharing the information YOU have with the class then you ARE going to lose. You realize that in real ACTUAL NON-FORUM mafia there is literally NO talking at night. NONE. So you're throwing away one of the BIG advantages that playing in a forum setting here has, the ability to converse with and share ideas among fellow townies. Can mafia also engage in nocturnal manipulation? Of course! But then they have to show themselves in the thread and say things, which YOU WANT TO HAPPEN! You're just justifying being lazy. I appreciate that you throw that in at the end, that you recognize and admit that fact. But if you don't want to get lynched, you should help us to read you. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
But if you don't want to lose the game for yourself and the rest of your team, you should help us to read you. I know you don't give a shit about being lynched. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I gotta get up in about 5 hours so: First of all; Never trust any claims and lynch them!!! Seriously. There is no way either of Hopeless or DarthPunk is fakeclaiming. I am willing to take all the blame of the loss of this game if we do lose because one of them was fakeclaiming and i am wrong. But i am not going to be wrong. geript is already setting himself up for fakeclaiming doctor. In addition to all said before lynch the shit outta him, he is mafia. Go read the Survivor Series game and his filter. In the game people were set on lynching Corazon D1. Noone wanted to lynch Grackaroni or Oats. See how geript approaches the lynch. He just pushes something he can never get lynched with a weak case. Like in this game. I think he was doing the same thing with Damdred here. There was really no way Damdred was gonna get lynched but still, for some reason geript didn't push Oats who was his second scumread while making a case on him. I don't think the "size" of the case matters but if geript has a scumread on both of the people he would push the one he can realisticly get lynched, he is good enough to figure out. I also don't even think he could actually read Damdred mafia as strong as he claims as i pointed out at the start of N1. Lynch geript, he is mafia. Then lynch kushmasta. He is not playing. He is more interested in talking about irrelevant stuff than he is interested in playing the game. That is a scumtell. Hell the dude even claims "i really wanted to play" at the start of the game!!!! Does it look like he has any interest in playing? No it doesn't. mafia!kush doesn't play. Go look at his past town games and i bet you can find a game where he gives reads during the night. I am 100% sure you can find a game in his past 5 town games but i just don't care to check it right now. If you don't believe me go check it out. Then lynch ritoky. He is the definition of blending in. I don't give a shit about his past town games (i only remember the one where he was the bomb or some shit). I can't just remember anything he has said - at all. scum. In one of his posts he said he "sheeped his strong town reads on Oats". If i am alive at D2 i am going to see if there is indication of which of me, VE, DP and geript he read "strong town". because i am sure he didn't read ME as strong town, not by his posting. Check that out. I bet that one stinks as fuck if you want complete proof. Keep an eye on CR and sqrt. sqrt promised to read, he's been reading for quite a long time already. Expect and demand reads from them. CR can say smart stuff as mafia but usually makes one big post / phase that looks "good" and that's pretty much it. Make both of them play the game and do more stuff they have. They are never mafia together. Never ever lynch VE. He is not going to be mafia this game. GB most likely not mafia aswell. If he is scum inactives fucked up the game because there is just no room to lynch GB as there is no time, you absolutely need to figure out other people. That's the priority as GB looks 100x better than those three "heavily mafia" and two "at least possible mafia". VE & DP please don't lose tha game in case i die. Lynch those fucker scum for the win! Goodluck. Godspeed. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Blazinghand
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Chairman Ray
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Scum shot the towniest person. DP or rayn would be obvious medic saves, unless mafia knew there wasn't a medic because they know there are three primes. If hopeless or DP dies - primes are real -> roles don't claim Scum shot a prime. Which means if the other prime-claim is scum, then any parity cop or medic claim would instantly kill him. Anyone else dies -> primes fake -> roles don't claim Scum was trying to hunt roles. If scum knew there are three primes, then there would be no risk of medic save, and they wouldn't need to hunt roles. Shooting the towniest person would be perfectly safe. But if someone random like me dies, the most likely explanation would be blue hunting. If there is a blue, he would claim at start of day anyways, so there's no loss to mafia having him die early and making hopeless/dp look bad. Nobody dies -> doesn't mean anything This is a complicated situation. Nobody dying would make it seem like there is a medic. If I was mafia this game, and I knew the prime claims were real, then I would hold my shot. By holding my shot, it gives the impression that there is a medic. Everyone would agree that medic shouldn't come out because the evidence of medic is already there. Town would believe that there is a fake between the primes. The likely course of action is both primes get lynched. So let's not do that. Ran out of time, will talk 2mrw if I don't die. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
Day 2 DarthPunk the Prime has been killed! Welcome to Day 2! This day ends in 48 hours at Thursday, Oct 16 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). At that time, the player set to be lynched will be lynched. Make sure to vote in the voting thread: (link) | ||
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Chairman Ray
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sqrtofneg1
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On October 14 2014 11:24 GlowingBear wrote: "Base Setups - pick one at random: A) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 1 Fraction, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours B) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Fraction, 8 Fours C) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours D) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 2 Primes, 8 Fours Modifications - pick one at random: 1) Remove one Four and add one Prime. 2) Use setup as-is. 3) Remove one Prime and add one Four if possible." You have to roll D AND 3 to have 3 primes. 1/4 . 1/3 = 1/12 0.083 chance. No fucking way. By the way, I suck at math. Please correct me if I'm wrong. On October 14 2014 13:34 GlowingBear wrote: Then Damdred, day one is over and you haven't told us if I had done my town tell. Moreover, you said you had a read on me but didn't share it with us. 1) Why aren't you sharing it with us? 2) If you have a scum read on me, why weren't you pushing me? 3) if you have a town read on me, why weren't you fighting my wagon? Your filter is mostly focused on me. You've spent most of your game busy with me. But then you follow the wagon that was being built: How did you suddenly read geript as mafia here? Is that how you see him now? On October 15 2014 02:33 GlowingBear wrote: Condition (3) can make a game without primes. Condition (1) can make a game with 2 primes There is also a base setup with 2 primes and the possibility of having three primes. I find it very safe to claim prime. I'm actually getting inclined to believe hopeless fake claimed now. Show that he's working to figure out the game. Same thing with rayn. He's town. On October 15 2014 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is basically never ever going to be mafia after last night. GB seems frustrated in a townie way in people scumreading him. The only thing against him would be he suddenly fucked off before the lynch when another wagon that was not him formed. DarthPunk and Hopeless are town, don't be dumb with this GB. Damdred is town, most likely. I have already made a town case on him. Chairman Ray is still bit of a question mark so do not totally count him out. He has basically made a case on sqrt and then... well pretty much nothing. We need you to prove you are town CR, there are just too many people lurking the fuck out of the game. I already told what i think of geript and why. Maybe i'll tonight find the game where he acted similarly. I totally forgot about that one and in case geript is mafia which i assume that would most likely make GlowingBear town. sqrt's posting is just terrible. ritoky hasn't said anything rememberable and there is something i am going to check regarding him before the deadline. kush is just not playing and only talks about unimportant stuff like modkills, spamming etc etc. The only thing he has said on D1 is a townread on GB (or rather -- it wasn't a townread, it was "cases on GB are bad") without explanation. scum!kush cannot force himself to read filters so calling someone who is town town makes sense as he didn't even comment on the cases in ANY way. Then there is the shitty vote on VE which is also not explained in any way. The problem is there are too much lurkers. There are three people completely lurking and ritoky kinda semi-lurking (i call it lurking when people do not take part into discussion and talk about irrelevant things). They can't all be mafia even if geript is, and atm i do strongly believe geript is mafia. Step up your fucking game townies in that pool. Or at least TRY to play the game. Please. On October 15 2014 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I slept over it and it doesn't make any sense for mafia!VE to act like he did after the lynch. As mafia VE is rational and altogether a good player as scum. As town he is also good but sometimes (well.. in fact quite often  ) driven by emotion rather than logic which is what he did at D1 end and N1 start. Especially you should be reading him town. Why would VE lynch Oats (while kind of contradicting himself) instead of just placing his vote on you (who he had a scumread on) when geript is not getting lynched any more? It's just far more likely he just followed DP onto Oats and then flipped his shit when he realized he should have just believed himself.Let's just say i don't think you are mafia regardless of geript's affiliation. It would just strengthen my read because of how geript likes to play. Why are you even asking this? You should be happy someone will believe you are near 100% town if geript flips mafia. I am not going to evaluate on my townreads unless people want to lynch them and are pushing the town to wrong track. Noone wants to lynch you so the discussion is useless in the first place. I am also pretty sure you wouldn't understand but the main point is what i remember of how geript plays scum and you both being mafia doesn't fit. Which players on the wagon are scum then? You noticed there is something wrong with the wagon. Oats flipped town so that shit surely didn't get any better so who is mafia there in your opinion and why? Hopeless basically outed himself as prime before even claiming (he was quite obviously asking geript "why should i claim my role") when geript told every prime should claim. DarthPunk would never have claimed prime as mafia in the situation he did. Come on.... It's quite simple.Regarding my read change on geript, yes. That. That read on Damdred makes zero sense by his own definition. geript also likes to push townies who are not being talked about and who are not current/even realistic lynch candidates when town is being lynched (in this case you/Oats -> geript suddenly pushes Damdred). I am still trying to find that fucking game (except that i'll have dinner first) so i can prove my point. I definitely don't like Chairman Ray. He pushes me, but then votes Oats without commenting at all about him. Scummy. DarthPunk is the first one who picked up on my 'townslip'. On October 13 2014 09:33 DarthPunk wrote: Here is the town slip; So sqrt is clearly not reading the thread because he treats Barakos and rayn as separate entities. If he had access to a scum qt you can bet your arse that he would know rayn had replaced in regardless of reading the thread or not. If rayn as scum it would be apparent in the qt cause he would be in the qt. If rayn is town all the scummers would be shitting their pantsu. Sqrt slipped ignorance of something scum would not be ignorant about. He is very likely to be town aligned, would not lynch for a few days. Shows great attention to the thread. Either mafia, or just good townie. However, he's been jumping around, target wise. Goes from me, to Sn0 and ritoky, to GlowingBear, to Oatsmaster. He had pretty much no case on Sn0, ritoky and Oats, and yet people all jumped on to the Oats wagon. I don't like that. I still have no idea on ritoky. Damdred has been pushing Geript. VE is town. His logic against geript is excellent. EX: On October 15 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay I'ma stop you right here. It doesn't give mafia extra info about the setup unless someone counterclaims, at which point it becomes the WRONG move for mafia to make because they lose one of their members. There's no "free town cred from the numpties" if someone counterclaims, and in this setup there's like zero chance of townies not counterclaiming at some point (because setup). There's no situation where mafia's first impulse is to "claim Prime" geript. You're just making things up. Geript's the guy who pushed Oats. He also doesn't like Damdred. Currently, he wants us to look at hopeless. I don't think so. On October 15 2014 02:34 geript wrote: Also fwiw. If I were mafia I'd claim a role by now. .... I don't have any solid evidence against geript, but I don't like him. Hopeless isn't doing much either. No solid reads except me. Plus, probability wise, it's really unlikely he's actually a prime. Top lynch target today. ##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
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