EPTThat push on DP was totes too dumb to be scum.
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Oatsmaster
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That push on DP was totes too dumb to be scum. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On October 12 2014 19:38 Chairman Ray wrote: Sorry to interrupt the discussion at hand, but DP, you were heavily against sqrt earlier for claiming mafia, and then after he spoke up you unvoted him. What answer were you looking for, for why he claimed mafia? What did his answer tell you? That he was trying to make a bad joke. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On October 12 2014 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno about gb man. That push on DP was totes too dumb to be scum. Do you think He looks townie? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 12 2014 20:22 Chairman Ray wrote: Yes to the first question. Besides geript, ritoky's reads and different than GB's, and even the reasoning for geript is different as well. If I was scumreading someone and someone else was scumreading them as well, but for crappy reasons, I would totally call him out on it. It's a good indication of scum either pretending to be active or bussing. Can you give me the specific example for the second question? I'm not sure what it is referring to. Also when I was revisiting GB's filter, I noticed that he volunteered information that he was at a party like 4 times, even though nobody criticized him for being absent. Seems a little too defensive to me. If there's something scummy about GB to me, it would be that. I would still rather lynch sqrt today though. What do you think about him? On GlowingBear: On October 12 2014 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: On Geript + Show Spoiler [questioning] + On October 12 2014 06:26 geript wrote: Hello "town." Why'd you take so long coming to the thread? On October 12 2014 06:27 geript wrote: Why would you say he might be scum instead of just flat out calling him scum? On October 12 2014 06:32 geript wrote: How do you know that he's trying to find a slip? Doesn't that presume he's town? This sounds like complete bullshit. On October 12 2014 06:37 geript wrote: If you're happy to play, then why are you bullshitting so much early? I don't think his massive questioning is a town trait. I think it's a scum trying to look like town here. Look, it's easy to start questioning and look contributive at early game. It's a good opportunity for mafia to gain two points. But check the second quote. He raises suspicions on damdy for saying that I might be mafia instead of being incisive. Should damdy be really that incisive when I've only posted twice? Why picking on this? He picked on this because it is easy to pick and look contributive. It's easy to see something little and question about it, specially when there's nothing to infer from it, and gain town points by doing that. I see much more a mafia doing this than a townie. Now, on DP "I have no idea about his alignment but I'll vote him LOLOLOL I DON'T CARE" Not caring is a mafia trait, right? So this is really scum. But isn't this too scum? Like, if you're mafia, you would risking posting like this? So, my conclusions on this post is 1) He is mafia trying to be read as town because he is too mafia to be mafia, or 2) He is blue fishing for a null read. He starts looking scummy but then goes to a town like position, which would make people only lean town on him. But talking about blue roles is stupid, it only helps mafia. That's why I didn't want to talk about it. This took to long, I think I made my point. Here is the summarization post he made. He calls geript out for trying to scumhunt. He literally does that. It does not matter what he thinks of Damdred but the read on geript (based on his questioning on Damdred is terribad). I cannot possibly believe he thinks geript is mafia for asking questions on people because geript is "trying to pick on things to look like he is scumhunting". Put yourself in geript's position for a while. Do you think it's possible geript as town thinks Damdred is mafia for what he said? I think it's certainly possible. Now what would geript do in case he is town and thinks Damdred is mafia for what he said? I think exactly what he did. He is scumhunting. Hell he is not even voting for Damdred so apparently he isn't sure Damdred is mafia. He is just trying to find out information on things he doesn't understand (which is btw what GB calls a town trait....). Does it make geript town? Certainly not because he could very well do that as mafia aswell. But it DEFINITELY does not make him mafia. I find it impossible GlowingBear has a scumread on geript. Then he calls DarthPunk mafia for "not caring". I am amazed. In GlowingBear's mind DarthPunk is a really good player so would mafia!DP do this? I cannot believe he reads DP mafia for this. Except he doesn't really even read him as scum. He reads him "mafia or blue". Which just doesn't fit. The explanation absolutely does not fit. "DarthPunk who is a really good players intentionally tries to look like he is scum because he is blue". Really good players do not do that and GlowingBear should know that. Another thing is he calls ritoky's reads bizarre.Well his reads are like 1500x more bizarre because they are based on null or town tells. Ritoky's reads are mostly based on meta or feelings of how certain people would approach the game as town or mafia. There is nothing wrong with having this sort of reads at this point of the game especially when his own (at least town) reads (read: Damdred for example) are based on purely same sort of though process ritoky is using. That being said i like your case on sqrt. Unless i am mistaken i have not played with him before and i have no clue how he would play as town or as mafia. I don't know if he is mafia but unless he can explain himself and elaborate further i think you got a decent case. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 12 2014 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno about gb man. That push on DP was totes too dumb to be scum. He did the EXACT same thing against me in the last game he was mafia in. It threw me off and he KNEW it. Not gonna fly any more. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Damdred
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Damdred
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On October 12 2014 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Come on Oats you were mafia with him in the said game.. Don't you remember anything? I really dont remember anything about that game except winning. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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raynpelikoneet
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kushm4sta
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Oatsmaster
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
You should be one of the people to realize why GB's read on you is heavily forced and backpedalled as soon as people call him out for it. Why don't you realize that? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Here we go again... | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Point out why they are scummy. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 12 2014 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Just answer the fact you called DarthPunk mafia with the thought in mind you didn't know if he is mafia or town and how on earth it does make any sense at all? It made sense to me at that moment. I've seen Haru doing the same thing as blue (team melee). Yes, it's not a good play, but I can't understand town motive behind saying "I'll vote for him without having any idea of his alignment because I don't care". Why do you come to the thread and say that? He said that damdy had shitty posts. My god, it was still page one. His only post was asking me what would I think if he called me mafia. Do you think this is so shitty to the point of a town being ready to kill a town? So, this made me think that he tried to open the game looking scummy. I don't know if that's because he is mafia trying to look too scum to be scum or a blue fishing for a null tell (he goes for a vote streak which is a town trait, objectively. Looking scummy and then trying to look townie would grant him a close-to-null tell). This was my thought at the moment and I was sure pointing it out would least give us information to work with. I will NOT read him solely on that and I think nobody should. But I think it's okay to use it as a secondary argument. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote: Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia right? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 12 2014 11:17 ritoky wrote: just finished reading the thread, don't particularly have much. prob towns: VE - His posts have a similar feeling to how I am feeling. I rolled mafia for the first time in all of my games on these forums last time and it was just stressful. Rolled town and felt instant relief. His first post reads very much the same. He also keeps pushing people toward giving/looking for alignment indicative information. sqrt - getting scumread by a lot of people and posts this: which is fairly contrary to much of the general sentiment in the thread. don't really see that coming from a mafia perspective. dem maf leaners: geript - this is a bit of a meta read coming from limited experience playing with him, so take it with a grain of salt. however, in the games i have played with geript when he is town he starts out early on in 1 of two moods: happy or angry. neither of those is serious of tryhardy. he got a little happier later on, but that felt in response to VE being happy less so than of his own accord. he just doesn't feel townie geript who's babies i would consider having at this point. damdred - "i have a super amazing town tell on GB that will auto-town read GB but i won't explain it and i plan to post this multiple times in the thread so everyone knows how amazing the read is but not give you any content in regards to it at all." yeah, no thanks dude. seems more interested in looking like he is doing things than doing them to me. Why his reads are bad: "VE is town because he has a relieved feeling in his posts". Do you really believe that this is something you can read from a forum game, or that this kind of thing is so clear that makes you believe someone is town? Also, he says VE is gathering information from people. From his perspective, isn't geript too? Isn't DP? Why solely VE got a town pass? He then townreads sqrt. He came to the thread, made a joke and lurked. Contributed with nothing. When he posts his reads, he is town because he have different reads from everybody? Do you think this is alignment indicative? I don't. He says geript isn't scum because he isn't happy. Again, that feeling thing. Also, Rayn, it's totally okay to have the same scum read of your scum read. Mafia can always bus and in this particular case, we have different reasonings. And you know that. And you knowing that worries me. His scum read on damdy is basically saying that he should be telling us my town tell. If damdred says it to everybody, I'll be able to fake it. It's obvious. It doesn't make damdred scum for that. BUT the past of not being contributive is okay. I think damdred should speak more. | ||
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