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Nevermind i misread something in your last post.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question.
You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue.
So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not").
So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum?
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On October 12 2014 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay so; You thought DarthPunk was mafia when you made this post? Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.
Firstly: This is not try harding.
Secondly: Why would you not try your best?
Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me. Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis? Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion. Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia right?
"Or trying to look as mafia" is me thinking he could be blue, but I didn't want to say it because it could help mafia blue hunting. But I was pratically forced to say it.
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On October 12 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nevermind i misread something in your last post.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question.
You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue.
So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not").
So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum?
I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario?
If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript.
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Stop one on trip
@raun, I like people town reading me but at the point in the thread i doubt i read as a strong talented. So a bit concerning
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On October 12 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nevermind i misread something in your last post.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question.
You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue.
So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not").
So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum? I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario? If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript.
So the thought didn't cross your mind you will be called out for your crappy read (yeah it was really crappy)?
You literally said this:
On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.
Firstly: This is not try harding.
Secondly: Why would you not try your best?
Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me. Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis? Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion. Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time? Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend  ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment.
Here you do say "DarthPunk is either mafia (which u do not believe!!) or he is town blue (which you did clarify later on)".
Again how does it make any sense to out a guy you have a blue read on by calling him scum?
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On October 12 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nevermind i misread something in your last post.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question.
You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue.
So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not").
So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum? I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario? If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript. So the thought didn't cross your mind you will be called out for your crappy read (yeah it was really crappy)? You literally said this: Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.
Firstly: This is not try harding.
Secondly: Why would you not try your best?
Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me. Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis? Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion. Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time? Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. Here you do say "DarthPunk is either mafia ( which u do not believe!!) or he is town blue (which you did clarify later on)". Again how does it make any sense to out a guy you have a blue read on by calling him scum?
My phrasing was bad. I mean only a bad mafia would be so careless to do that vote with that reasoning. But an okay mafia would do the too scum to be scum. I don't know DPs play but I find it plausible.
You're again assuming I had only a blue read on him. I can call him out so at least I gather information about his alignment without making him look blue.
I've already gave you all my reasons. I don't care if people will find my cases crappy. I'll come to the thread, say what I'm thinking and at least get people talking, specially on early day1
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On October 12 2014 23:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 11:17 ritoky wrote:just finished reading the thread, don't particularly have much. prob towns:VE - His posts have a similar feeling to how I am feeling. I rolled mafia for the first time in all of my games on these forums last time and it was just stressful. Rolled town and felt instant relief. His first post reads very much the same. He also keeps pushing people toward giving/looking for alignment indicative information. sqrt - getting scumread by a lot of people and posts this: On October 12 2014 08:23 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I've never had so many scum reads so early on ever.
I like Damdred so far. And DP.
I don't like CR or VE or geript or GB or hopeless. which is fairly contrary to much of the general sentiment in the thread. don't really see that coming from a mafia perspective. dem maf leaners:geript - this is a bit of a meta read coming from limited experience playing with him, so take it with a grain of salt. however, in the games i have played with geript when he is town he starts out early on in 1 of two moods: happy or angry. neither of those is serious of tryhardy. he got a little happier later on, but that felt in response to VE being happy less so than of his own accord. he just doesn't feel townie geript who's babies i would consider having at this point. damdred - "i have a super amazing town tell on GB that will auto-town read GB but i won't explain it and i plan to post this multiple times in the thread so everyone knows how amazing the read is but not give you any content in regards to it at all." yeah, no thanks dude. seems more interested in looking like he is doing things than doing them to me. Why his reads are bad: "VE is town because he has a relieved feeling in his posts". Do you really believe that this is something you can read from a forum game, or that this kind of thing is so clear that makes you believe someone is town?
Yes i do believe that's something you can read from a forum game.
I don't believe in this particular situation it makes VE town but i can understand ritoky can have that read as town.
Also, he says VE is gathering information from people. From his perspective, isn't geript too? Isn't DP? Why solely VE got a town pass?
His read on VE / geript is not only that. That's only a small portion of the read. The reads are mostly based on behaviour and how VE / geript (or town and mafia) tend to act at the start of the game - generally, and how VE7geript did it in this game regarding their past games. There is nothing wrong with this and you are misconstruing what ritoky in fact said as a whole.
He then townreads sqrt. He came to the thread, made a joke and lurked. Contributed with nothing. When he posts his reads, he is town because he have different reads from everybody? Do you think this is alignment indicative? I don't.
Yes i do think this could be alignment indicative. That's why i am not buying CR's case fully and that's why i want sqrt to elaborate more on his reads.
He says geript isn't scum because he isn't happy. Again, that feeling thing.
he says geript is scum.....
Also, Rayn, it's totally okay to have the same scum read of your scum read. Mafia can always bus and in this particular case, we have different reasonings. And you know that. And you knowing that worries me.
Only dumb mafia busses in this particular case so no, in this particular scenario it doesn't make any sense at all.
His scum read on damdy is basically saying that he should be telling us my town tell. If damdred says it to everybody, I'll be able to fake it. It's obvious. It doesn't make damdred scum for that.
BUT the past of not being contributive is okay. I think damdred should speak more.
His scumread on Damdred is because he thinks Damdred gave a read that's based on bullshit rather than something concrete and he thinks Damdred is therefore just saying things out of his ass. Let's entertain a scenario where Damdred is town and ritoky is mafia. What good does it do for ritoky to call out Damdred for something like this? Then Damdred just tells his "tell on GB" and the situation is resolved and there is not gonna be a chance of Damdred calling you mafia ever in this game again based on (possibly) a shitty meta (which could be likely). It is much more likely he pushes Damdred for information as town here.
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I meant he said geript was scum. Mistyped.
Rayn, we have different impressions from ritoky's post. Our main arguments are only opinion, do I find it hard to convince you of what I see on ritoky and I find hard that you will convince me of what you see on ritoky's post.
I propose we change the subject at this point
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On October 13 2014 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 12 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nevermind i misread something in your last post.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question.
You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue.
So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not").
So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum? I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario? If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript. So the thought didn't cross your mind you will be called out for your crappy read (yeah it was really crappy)? You literally said this: On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.
Firstly: This is not try harding.
Secondly: Why would you not try your best?
Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me. Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis? Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion. Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time? Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. Here you do say "DarthPunk is either mafia ( which u do not believe!!) or he is town blue (which you did clarify later on)". Again how does it make any sense to out a guy you have a blue read on by calling him scum? My phrasing was bad. I mean only a bad mafia would be so careless to do that vote with that reasoning. But an okay mafia would do the too scum to be scum. I don't know DPs play but I find it plausible.You're again assuming I had only a blue read on him. I can call him out so at least I gather information about his alignment without making him look blue.I've already gave you all my reasons. I don't care if people will find my cases crappy. I'll come to the thread, say what I'm thinking and at least get people talking, specially on early day1
red: Although you called him a "legend" and "didn't think that is the case"? i am not sure i believe you regarding "i misphrased my thoughts".
green: Yes i am because YOU SAID SO! Now you are giving excuses, but you really did say so. Literally, as i pointed out. But let's think for a moment you are telling the truth here and misphrased your post. The way you called him out made every single intelligent person realize what you are saying (mafia or blue). You basically put yourself into a situation where you hint you think DP is blue if he is not mafia and then you shut yourself down when people (obviously) call you out. Do you REALLY think it was the best way to call DP out, instead of let's say like: "DarthPunk why is your read on Damdred so bad? You can't possibly think he is scum for that, so why are you saying so?"
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On October 13 2014 00:07 kushm4sta wrote:
whos scummy
Lol I totes forgot you were playing
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What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!"
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On October 13 2014 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 12 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nevermind i misread something in your last post.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question.
You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue.
So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not").
So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum? I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario? If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript. So the thought didn't cross your mind you will be called out for your crappy read (yeah it was really crappy)? You literally said this: On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.
Firstly: This is not try harding.
Secondly: Why would you not try your best?
Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me. Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis? Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion. Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time? Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. Here you do say "DarthPunk is either mafia ( which u do not believe!!) or he is town blue (which you did clarify later on)". Again how does it make any sense to out a guy you have a blue read on by calling him scum? My phrasing was bad. I mean only a bad mafia would be so careless to do that vote with that reasoning. But an okay mafia would do the too scum to be scum. I don't know DPs play but I find it plausible.You're again assuming I had only a blue read on him. I can call him out so at least I gather information about his alignment without making him look blue.I've already gave you all my reasons. I don't care if people will find my cases crappy. I'll come to the thread, say what I'm thinking and at least get people talking, specially on early day1 red: Although you called him a "legend" and "didn't think that is the case"? i am not sure i believe you regarding "i misphrased my thoughts". green: Yes i am because YOU SAID SO! Now you are giving excuses, but you really did say so. Literally, as i pointed out. But let's think for a moment you are telling the truth here and misphrased your post. The way you called him out made every single intelligent person realize what you are saying (mafia or blue). You basically put yourself into a situation where you hint you think DP is blue if he is not mafia and then you shut yourself down when people (obviously) call you out. Do you REALLY think it was the best way to call DP out, instead of let's say like: "DarthPunk why is your read on Damdred so bad? You can't possibly think he is scum for that, so why are you saying so?"
No, it was a bad way to call him out. I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining it. I agree with you.
Again, I decided to not talk about DP because I thought it would be bad.
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Also an okay mafia never ever does "too scum to be scum".
Never ever. They do "too town to be scum".....
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On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!"
Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue.
If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it?
If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it?
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Well i am not going to convince you about my read on you so let's talk about somethingelse since you are the only one here.
What's your read on CR?
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On October 13 2014 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also an okay mafia never ever does "too scum to be scum".
Never ever. They do "too town to be scum".....
Dat indirect burn
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On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it?
Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more.
Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"?
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On October 13 2014 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i am not going to convince you about my read on you so let's talk about somethingelse since you are the only one here.
What's your read on CR?
Leaning town. I had some suspicions on him but his posts are making sense, which is not something that happens too much when he is mafia.
Yours?
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On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"?
You defended yourself and avoided the question.
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