Newbie Mini Mafia LIX

On October 03 2014 16:10 abuse wrote:


Time to lynch the crap out of you >:D

On October 07 2014 06:01 Superbia wrote:
What's up ladies & gentlemen.

On October 07 2014 08:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I swear if you're mafia and we get rekt again I'll be so mad.

On October 07 2014 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote:Please explain the benefit before saying we should massclaim please

On October 07 2014 08:36 Fecalfeast wrote:

You don't just throw around super pinky promises, man. If you wend up mafia I'll never respect your word.. Are you sure you want to do this?

On October 07 2014 08:48 loafery wrote:


Wait a minute, so let me get this straight.

There are 9 roles. 2 mafia 1 vt and 6 good roles.

6 good roles claim 3 claim vt.

We lynch the 3 vt = win.

8 good roles claim 1 vt. We get 2 pairs of good roles we lynch all 4 of them = win.

Am I wrong in thinking this? Am I missing something?

On October 07 2014 20:47 abuse wrote:
Anything to add or ask about what's going on so far?
Also - yes, what is Town FF like ?

On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:


Why do you think loaf is town?

On October 07 2014 23:00 abuse wrote:


tell me what do you think about this post ?

On October 07 2014 21:03 abuse wrote:


you don't need to meta-read, just share what is he (or was in that game) like as town, as you have more experience with him than we do.

On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.]

On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:


It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.

No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.

Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information.

On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:
On Superbia:




I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone.
Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it.


Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him"

@Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia?

On October 08 2014 07:22 Elvis! wrote:


Which is what I like! But you still call him townie for reasons yet to be given.
This, in my unexperienced opinion, doesn't help but rather prevent us from finding mafia.
That might not be intented from you and just me reading into some things.

On October 08 2014 07:26 Elvis! wrote:
I'm confused. You're happy with people pushing on him but you don't like the wagon.
This is most likely just a misunderstanding, but clear information is good information

On October 08 2014 07:29 Elvis! wrote:
and while we´re on it, how do you feel about the points I brought up about loafery?
I'm new to this and like criticism.
(even though you might be mafia and mislead me. Which if you do and I detect it might give reasons to call you mafia, if you don't I have more good vibes. Win-Win)

1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked.

2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different.
Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1?

3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia.

On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."

for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.

I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...

But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me.

On October 08 2014 08:12 loafery wrote:


where does it say I don't? I am reading him as scum.

On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Hi guys, sorry for being absent for a while. I'm afraid i'm going to be absent a few hours after this as well, but after that I can play for real. I thought i should do a quick analysis on loafrey, as he seems the most scummy to my eyes.

On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Ok, so I read trough the thread better this time and it seems like most of my arguments, like someone already mentioned, had already been said by abuse.

On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:
But as stated before, saying that you are confirmed townie is very scummy behavior.

On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:It might have been poorly worded or misinterpreted by others, but some of your behaviour after is also kind of strange.

On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:

Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon?

"His play is the most scummy-like"
As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?'



Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP.

I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen...

On October 08 2014 10:03 Breshke wrote:
ff i'm actually not lumping both of you together in my mind if one of you turns out to be scum I highly doubt the other is as your play has been too similar to begin the day both opposing the push on loaf and not really pushing on anyone else. Having played with eachother before maybe scum ff thinks playing similar to town superbia will make him read you as town and vice versa. This isnt a 100% thing though just something i thought i'd share.

On October 08 2014 10:24 loafery wrote:


still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm.

On October 08 2014 10:26 Fecalfeast wrote:

What is with this post? Of all the things, you're call me a donkey for helping your case but being indecisive on a vote...

On October 08 2014 10:41 loafery wrote:


your reasons seem arbitrary i don't see why it matters whether he lies/slipsup upon reading abuses' posts or the thread. You don't have any other reason than that. It's like you're desperately trying to find any fault in zen to take the heat off of yourself.

On October 08 2014 10:49 Rad wrote:


Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply?

On October 08 2014 10:59 loafery wrote:


i beg to differ there has been several ppl calling you out for just staying in the background letting others do the work.

for the answers you're looking for we have to wait for zen to reply.

Don't you think mafia would just say that they agree with abuse or just stay quiet rather than just make a massive post.

On October 08 2014 11:06 loafery wrote:


yes you weren't proactive before anyone called you out. Then you make this claim on zen and immediately vote him as scum while not even waiting for his response. A bit too quick to rush into thing imo.

Mafia hides. Gets called out. Makes claim with an arbitrary post on reasons I can't agree with. So scummy.

On October 08 2014 21:55 The_Zen_Man wrote:
I said this in my previous posts, but town is supposed to post analysis and do reads on people. This is what town do.

On October 08 2014 21:55 The_Zen_Man wrote:Mafia does not want this, they want to town to have as little to go on as possible. And regarding why I posted it when I knew abuse had critisized loaf is because I wanted to analyse it from fresh eyes. It's always better to hear others point of view on the matter.

On October 08 2014 21:55 The_Zen_Man wrote:He then says I lied about knowing about abuses case. I admitted to the fact that i had not read trough the whole post carefully, but super then completely distorts this. He says I lied about that fact because i knew about abuses case, somehow implying that i have to know either all or none of abuses case. This makes no sense whatsoever. Either super is stupid or trying to get a case going, but it is possible for someone to read some and not all of his posts.

On October 08 2014 21:55 The_Zen_Man wrote:

I mentioned earlier that I had a argument that abuse had not made and this is the one I was talking about. To my knowledge abuse never mentioned the fact that loaf should now that scum would want to look like they want a town win. This creates a big hole in supers argument, as most of his votepost is based on me saying the same thing as abuse.

On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:Town cares very much about giving analysis and giving reads, as this is the primary way we figure out who is mafia. I pressured loaf with my FoS, but throwing votes that early often leads to dirt trowback. My first post was an analysis on loaf to try to figure out whether he is town or not. That is what town does. You on the other hand decided to simply say that you think he is town without giving any reasons or arguments as to why. This is what scum does.

On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:You can call it bad all you want, it is an argument that is unique to my post, which makes mine different than abuses. Simply calling it bad without telling why is simply bad playing. And how can you critisize me for something you yourself did? You did not react on the 5/6 blue roles thing either. For the record, I did consider him lying but his explanation about it seemed credible, which is why I believed him.

On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:Why wouldn't i want to do analysis on people to try to find out who the mafia is? Are you seriously telling people to not post reads and analysis if they do not meet a certain standard? If you are, then please explain why you haven't said anything about breshke doing what you essentially accuse me of doing? His post is more like abuses than mine and he is much less commited, but for some reason you completely ignore this and go solely after me? Townies do not ignore facts so they better fit with their pictures, scum do.

On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Also, one question super:

Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why?

On October 09 2014 03:07 abuse wrote:
I think that if dusts does not show up and place a vote down until EoD, we're better off lynching him. Because if Zen flips town, and dusts gets modkilled and also flips town, we will start being in a very crappy position with 3 towns killed at the beginning of D2

I think zen is a good lynch, but if we consider that this is a newbie game, there is a wildcard that he can be a town that messed up very badly, so the chance of him flipping town in the end is there. even if not a big one..
Also more people need to step up and voice their concerns and their thoughts on everyone.. Currently people not laying their cards down about everyone else will hurt us a lot on D2.. I'd much rather go into D2 seeing how people read others before we received at least 2 flips via D1 lynch and N1 kill..

On October 09 2014 04:04 Rad wrote:


Can you guys (abuse and superbia) explain exactly what you want from me? A list like superbia gave? You guys both read town to me so I believe the request is with good intentions, but list are fucking terrible, and if we end up with a thread full of lists it'll just turn into WIFOM bullshit.

I just don't have the time to give a detailed list like abuse gave. My play time is at night. If you REALLY want a list like superbia gave, fine, I'll do it.

On October 09 2014 05:16 The_Zen_Man wrote:Now you are just outright lying. I never gave abuse any shit pushing loaf too hard, just that i simply do not believe early votes are good. What i basically wanted from loaf was a response, see how he reacted.

On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard.

On October 09 2014 05:16 The_Zen_Man wrote:That was not what my argument was, did you even read it? It seems like you are doing exaclty what you say im doing. My argument was that loaf had as defense that he was town because he mentioned a quick townwin:

On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Zen man:scum, everyone has said it already, if someone wants a post specifically from me about zen i can do that. My vote stays put as of now. It is starting to worry me that nobody is vehemently against the wagon, though.

On October 09 2014 05:44 abuse wrote:


so if he flips scum you won't reevaluate the game? are you so completely sure that breshke is the 2nd scum?

On October 10 2014 07:29 loafery wrote:
i think vet should just claim. the mafia knows who he is anyway and will prolly die n2. I don't want to lynch a vet by accident. We have 7 left 2 mafia 5 townies. If vet claims we get 4 townies and 2 mafia. Less chance of lynching town. I don't want to lynch town and get the vet killed on n2 leaving 3 town and 2 mafia on d3, it's too good a scenario for scum.

On October 10 2014 07:44 Fecalfeast wrote:

Do you have any thoughts since the end of day 1?

On October 11 2014 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hullo super. I think you should post a lot more as unless we get another lucky JK/Doc save we're boned. You watched mad dota last night, are you all caught up? Why not give your thoughts on the game?

On October 10 2014 06:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
omg before deadline if I die:
town
elvis
abuse
scum
breshke
super

everyone else null or i can't think

On October 11 2014 05:28 Fecalfeast wrote:

elvis used his time during night, abuse used his time during night but felt it was better used at the end, they both did work. Breshke looked scummy all game and you were doing nothing as well. You still are doing nothing, really.

On October 11 2014 05:59 Fecalfeast wrote:

Rad did work early on, then went missing from the thread for a while and did much less work in his later posts causing me not to think of him at the time of my panic post.

Reads change, obviously yours has when you said I was leaning town.

On October 11 2014 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
You're taking another random specific from my post and questioning it. I'll answer only because it seems nobody else is around.

On October 11 2014 08:15 Rad wrote:


Patiently awaiting your response to my questions.

On October 11 2014 08:15 Rad wrote:The fact that you asked me that question makes me doubt my own read on you.

On October 11 2014 08:07 Superbia wrote:
Why are you voting for FF?

On October 11 2014 23:06 abuse wrote:
i didnt push rad as scum.
I said that post was scummy.

im going to need more than "i think rad is scum here, read his filter" to persuade me that he is scum in this game.

On October 11 2014 23:07 abuse wrote:


ok. Then start finding scum as you said you would do so many times already instead of just pointing a finger at rad and saying that he is scum.
Until you do that, my vote stays here.

On October 11 2014 23:23 abuse wrote:


Many people do that and he did not FoS anyone after D1. Many people have pretty much disappeared today as you can see its just you and me here now.
We had to ask him for a list at EoD, but we had to ask EVERYONE for a list at EoD and he was one of the first people to supply it even though at the very start of the game he said he hates lists.

What do you REALLY think about breshke and why did you question him in such a friendly matter today and say "that is a pretty nice case you present" when let's face it - it wasn't really. Why are you doing this if you read him as scum aswell at the end of D1? Do you really think there is not enough evidence against him at this point? Do you honestly think he is not scummier than Rad now?
What about loaf? Why do you not try to figure out if he is town or scum?
What do you think about Elvis? Do you think that his mentioning zen was town before he flipped was a scumslip by him or not? Don't you dare tell me you do not have an opinion on that.

On October 12 2014 04:02 abuse wrote:
I am hating the game right now, because there is tons of proof of breshke being scum, but my gut keeps saying he'll flip town.

On October 12 2014 05:44 abuse wrote:
superbia, didn't you say you were inclined to think that breshke is too easy of a mislynch? Any reason for voting him after all?

On October 12 2014 05:44 abuse wrote:
Why are we not killing loaf, if we lose if he gets modkilled and scum succeeds in killing someone..?

On October 12 2014 05:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok i wasn't supposed to use my phone but fuck the police. If breshke is town look at elvis be back later.


##unvote
##vote breshke

On October 12 2014 06:10 Rad wrote:
I'm here.

Town Veteran - Edward Teller

You are obsessed with the idea of making a hydrogen bomb. In fact, you are so obsessed that being shot once won't stop you.

On October 15 2014 07:49 Rad wrote:


Glad we could finally kill you, sir. u2scary4me this game.

On October 15 2014 08:01 Rad wrote:
Superbia, did you being a vet affect your d1 confidence and lack of a n1 LW? I read that as such so I felt comfortable with going after you again n2.

On October 15 2014 08:06 Rad wrote:
Good to know. If you left a LW n1 I probably push for us to kill abuse n2 and WIFOM lynch you d3.

On October 15 2014 08:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
I like to think I could talk my way out of an early scumread from you superbia but as Rad said, you were 2scary4us you were dying no matter how many shots it took

On October 15 2014 17:06 Fecalfeast wrote:

be on my team next time