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Superbia
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October 03 2014 01:29 GMT
#50
/in

Hi.
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Superbia
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October 03 2014 01:38 GMT
#52
Don't worry, I'm definitely town! :D
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Superbia
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October 03 2014 02:07 GMT
#54
pls guide obisenpai
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Superbia
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October 03 2014 11:26 GMT
#61
On October 03 2014 16:10 abuse wrote:
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On October 03 2014 10:38 Superbia wrote:
Don't worry, I'm definitely town! :D


Time to lynch the crap out of you >:D


Try it. ;p
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 21:01 GMT
#73
What's up ladies & gentlemen.
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 21:07 GMT
#75
On October 07 2014 06:01 Superbia wrote:
What's up ladies & gentlemen.

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Superbia
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October 06 2014 21:07 GMT
#76
Sorry for posting before start of day post.
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 21:16 GMT
#78
A German spy appears!
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 22:26 GMT
#83
Fecal how does it feel to be mafia without me?
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 23:35 GMT
#90
On October 07 2014 08:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I swear if you're mafia and we get rekt again I'll be so mad.


Super pinky promise I'm town.
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 23:36 GMT
#91
On October 07 2014 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote:Please explain the benefit before saying we should massclaim please


Interested in hearing what you have to say, loaf.
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 23:37 GMT
#93
On October 07 2014 08:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 07 2014 08:35 Superbia wrote:
On October 07 2014 08:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I swear if you're mafia and we get rekt again I'll be so mad.


Super pinky promise I'm town.

You don't just throw around super pinky promises, man. If you wend up mafia I'll never respect your word.. Are you sure you want to do this?


Can't take it back now! :D
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 23:44 GMT
#95
And why are you not mafia?
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 23:49 GMT
#97
On October 07 2014 08:48 loafery wrote:
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On October 07 2014 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Extra setup notes

Mafia roleblocker can both perform the night kill and use his roleblock action.

Mafia roleblocker is resolved before town jailkeeper.

Mafia players will receive safe scientist names for fake claiming.


Tell me again what that accomplishes, spy?


Wait a minute, so let me get this straight.

There are 9 roles. 2 mafia 1 vt and 6 good roles.

6 good roles claim 3 claim vt.

We lynch the 3 vt = win.

8 good roles claim 1 vt. We get 2 pairs of good roles we lynch all 4 of them = win.

Am I wrong in thinking this? Am I missing something?


We have 2 PRs (power roles) and rest is VT or scum. So yeah.
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 23:50 GMT
#98
Scum team of 2, btw.
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Superbia
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October 06 2014 23:59 GMT
#102
This is how the game is set up: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/?title=Matrix6
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 00:24 GMT
#107
There's only 6 possibilities.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 00:24 GMT
#108
There are*
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 00:36 GMT
#111
Fecal are you nervous this game?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 00:45 GMT
#113
Fair enough. Any thoughts so far?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 01:02 GMT
#118
Agree with #2 so far. Loaf probably town.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 01:02 GMT
#119
Anyone else around?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 01:06 GMT
#121
Is this your first game of mafia ever, loaf?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 01:08 GMT
#123
Ah, so you've played forum mafia before then? May I ask how many times?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 01:08 GMT
#125
Probably talk at night since it's a newbie set up. But host should confirm.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 01:15 GMT
#127
Have you ever played a game before with the set up you thought the game initially had?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 01:18 GMT
#129
What the hell. Would you mind linking to the game?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 01:24 GMT
#133
Haha what the fuck. All right.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 01:36 GMT
#137
I'm probably off soon, I'm expecting everyone to have said something by the time I wake up. Then I will point out scum and we'll lynch said scum.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 11:38 GMT
#169
Yo abuse, I'm here for a little.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 11:46 GMT
#171
A little slow, I would've liked to see everyone post. I liked the interaction between you and loaf. Also during my last game I was scum and FF was town, keep that in mind.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 11:47 GMT
#172
Oh wait, it's breshke not abuse. Sorry, I just woke up.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 11:53 GMT
#175
On October 07 2014 20:47 abuse wrote:
Anything to add or ask about what's going on so far?
Also - yes, what is Town FF like ?


Nothing to add at this point in time. I'll participate more later, after doing my waking up rituals. I'm not planning to meta-read FF this game (especially early on) since I'm expecting newer players to switch up their game quite a bit (like myself).
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 11:54 GMT
#176
Also abuse & loaf probably both town.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 13:11 GMT
#183
On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:
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On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town.


Why do you think loaf is town?


It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 14:12 GMT
#185
On October 07 2014 23:00 abuse wrote:
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On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:
On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:
On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town.


Why do you think loaf is town?


It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters.


tell me what do you think about this post ?


I'm pretty sure all the points he brought up were brought up before. Interested to see what he has to say when he comes back.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 14:33 GMT
#186
Tbh Breshke just kind of did the same.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 14:37 GMT
#187
Anyone around?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 15:20 GMT
#188
On October 07 2014 21:03 abuse wrote:
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On October 07 2014 20:53 Superbia wrote:
On October 07 2014 20:47 abuse wrote:
Anything to add or ask about what's going on so far?
Also - yes, what is Town FF like ?


Nothing to add at this point in time. I'll participate more later, after doing my waking up rituals. I'm not planning to meta-read FF this game (especially early on) since I'm expecting newer players to switch up their game quite a bit (like myself).


you don't need to meta-read, just share what is he (or was in that game) like as town, as you have more experience with him than we do.


He went from confident to hesitant. Honestly I didn't really get to analyze people that much that game. If you're interested check it out yourself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 07 2014 18:29 GMT
#191
On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.]


Mind sharing who else is on your scum list?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 18:53 GMT
#194
Any thoughts on people other than loaf?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 19:44 GMT
#197
On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:
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On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.


Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?

You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?

Why are you taking the easy route here?


It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.

No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.

Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information.


You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 22:16 GMT
#209
FF how do you feel about loaf atm?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 22:20 GMT
#210
On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:
On Superbia:

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On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:
On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:
On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town.


Why do you think loaf is town?


It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters.



I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone.
Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it.


Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him"

@Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia?


People pushing on people helps me find mafia.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 22:25 GMT
#213
On October 08 2014 07:22 Elvis! wrote:
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On October 08 2014 07:20 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 06:57 Elvis! wrote:
On Superbia:

On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:
On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:
On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town.


Why do you think loaf is town?


It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters.



I'm not nececarily amazed by Superbia this far, most of his post seem to try hard not to put to much suspicion on anyone.
Typically for a mafia, he posts a lot to seem active, without having much content. He so far avoids to do any FoS in any kind and even called loaf townie for no apparent reason. This doesn't help the investigation on loaf at all, if he doesn't give good reason/proof/ideas about it.


Then "its mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing him"

@Superbia would you like to elaborate how you think he's town and still like how he's getting pushed? Shouldn't we focus on searching mafia?


People pushing on people helps me find mafia.


Which is what I like! But you still call him townie for reasons yet to be given.
This, in my unexperienced opinion, doesn't help but rather prevent us from finding mafia.
That might not be intented from you and just me reading into some things.


How does it prevent you from finding mafia? I didn't get a mafia vibe from any of his posts, and I thought his response was genuine. I'm going to wait until he posts again before I finally decide whether this is a good wagon or not, but at the moment I don't like it.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 22:29 GMT
#216
On October 08 2014 07:26 Elvis! wrote:
I'm confused. You're happy with people pushing on him but you don't like the wagon.
This is most likely just a misunderstanding, but clear information is good information


I'm (decently) happy with the information I'm getting. Day started slow but the wagon on loaf gives me information. I'm currently not planning to see him lynched, but that's partially up to him.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 22:41 GMT
#222
On October 08 2014 07:29 Elvis! wrote:
and while we´re on it, how do you feel about the points I brought up about loafery?
I'm new to this and like criticism.
(even though you might be mafia and mislead me. Which if you do and I detect it might give reasons to call you mafia, if you don't I have more good vibes. Win-Win)


Eh, let's walk through some of your points then:

1. He heavily concentrates just on defending himself and as mafia do try to do, avoids the questions asked to him by answering different themes from what was actually asked.


Day had just begun and he is the center of attention. Don't expect too many genuine reads from someone in this position. He was rather quick to call people town, but everyone has their own play style. Also, FF was rather quick to trust me, wouldn't you think? Nobody commented on that.

2. Another thing about loaf is that I don't like how he's playing like he doens't know some things that were in this thread for the weeks it to to get it started. Especially since he seems to be used to complicated setups, this must be "easy" for him? Talking about how "newbie" he himself is is a very convenient way of distracting people from you. Of course being a newbie should not be read as being scum, it just doesn't sound quite right how he mentions his complicated setups and then talks a whole lot of how they were and how this is different.
Just straight up without telling anyone a proper plan, want everyone to do something as radical as to claim on D1?


I've played with some veterans by now and some of them don't even know what roles are in the game by d3. Did he talk about he himself being a newbie? Please link to post.

3. Then another thing I really dislike is, that he talks so much about how he isn't mafia, because he "doesn't do certain things that he thinks are mafia". So if he knows that these things appear mafia and he was mafia, surely he wouldn't do any of these things. This might be my strongest point about him being mafia.


Actually I have rolled mafia before and his points are actually pretty relevant. As mafia you don't want to be in the spotlight. You want to appear townie. That's literally all you want to do. You don't give a flying fuck about solving the game or whatever. You hide and you rolehunt. Tricking others to start a miss lynch is just bonus.


Whatever, he should defend himself.
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 22:42 GMT
#223
On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."

for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.

I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...

But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me.


You want to read abuse as scummy but you're not. Can you give some reads on other people? What do you think about the people who joined the push?
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Superbia
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October 07 2014 23:20 GMT
#228
On October 08 2014 08:12 loafery wrote:
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On October 08 2014 07:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."

for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.

I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...

But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me.

You want to read him scummy but....

Will you elaborate on why you don't?


where does it say I don't? I am reading him as scum.


Any other reads?
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 00:53 GMT
#240
All right. So zen is probably scum here.


On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Hi guys, sorry for being absent for a while. I'm afraid i'm going to be absent a few hours after this as well, but after that I can play for real. I thought i should do a quick analysis on loafrey, as he seems the most scummy to my eyes.


Why does zen think he had to do a quick analysis on loaf here? Why does he not exercise a little patience and make a better case later on? Why does he feel the need to get a push out on someone quickly (before others)? This feels like mafia trying to get some easy town points by getting some easy reads out. Town has no need to rush here. There is no EoD in sight. Mafia wants to appear townie, how do they do that? By getting out easy reads and easy pushes. This is one of them. Hence, zen is scum.

So there is a theme running through zen's post that I want to specifically look at: Zen did not read the thread well. This comes up in a later post during which he exclaims:
On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Ok, so I read trough the thread better this time and it seems like most of my arguments, like someone already mentioned, had already been said by abuse.


Now, assuming this is true (more on this later), my point of "why did you need to feel the need to rush out a push" becomes more prominent. After all, abuse was already starting a push on loaf. Why would town feel a need to push on loaf here? It's already being done. Again, this is scum trying to get easy town points.

This leads me to a contradiction between zen's two posts. You see, zen said that he did not read the thread well before he posted his initial post, but in said post he says:
On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:
But as stated before, saying that you are confirmed townie is very scummy behavior.

On October 07 2014 21:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:It might have been poorly worded or misinterpreted by others, but some of your behaviour after is also kind of strange.


This means that zen did read abuse's push on loaf. It was, after all, abuse who stated "saying that you are confirmed townie is very scummy behavior". Moreover, the behaviour "after" was interaction with abuse, which zen claimed he did not read (though he clearly did). He even quotes abuse's push in his push. What is zen doing!? This is such a blatant lie and super scummy. Again, zen is scum.


Now, during this entire push zen stays absolutely non-committed in his read. In the end zen only "Finger of Suspicion"s him, which honestly translates to "I will join this wagon if it takes off, lol" for me. If zen is not at all confident in his read, why is he making a push? Again, zen wants to fetch town points here but at the same time does not want to get any shit if he flips town. It feels like zen is making the push here so he doesn't get pinged out for inactivity, which mafia is terrified of.


The above reasons are why I am voting for zen and I'm expecting town to vote with me. Let's fucking hit scum d1.

##Vote: The_Zen_Man
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 00:56 GMT
#243
Check my post and vote for zen.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 01:14 GMT
#250
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".

But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.

Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 01:16 GMT
#251
On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.]


Mind sharing who else is on your scum list?


Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much.

@Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.

Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon?

"His play is the most scummy-like"
As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?'

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On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.


Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?

You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?

Why are you taking the easy route here?


It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.

No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.

Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information.


You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason?


Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone.

What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why?


Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game.


Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP.

I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen...


Just vote, you can always retract your vote.
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October 08 2014 01:23 GMT
#252
On October 08 2014 10:03 Breshke wrote:
ff i'm actually not lumping both of you together in my mind if one of you turns out to be scum I highly doubt the other is as your play has been too similar to begin the day both opposing the push on loaf and not really pushing on anyone else. Having played with eachother before maybe scum ff thinks playing similar to town superbia will make him read you as town and vice versa. This isnt a 100% thing though just something i thought i'd share.


Bresh check my post and then vote zen.
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October 08 2014 01:27 GMT
#256
On October 08 2014 10:24 loafery wrote:
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On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".

But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.

Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting.


still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm.


So did you read the entire post or not? Were you like "oh I'm not reading it because he's scum". Or did you read it and conclude I was scum? How does this work? If you think my case is good then stop reading me as scum. If you think my case is bad please tell me why it's bad.
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October 08 2014 01:27 GMT
#257
On October 08 2014 10:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".

But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.

Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting.

What is with this post? Of all the things, you're call me a donkey for helping your case but being indecisive on a vote...


It was directed at loaf.
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October 08 2014 01:52 GMT
#262
On October 08 2014 10:41 loafery wrote:
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On October 08 2014 10:27 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:24 loafery wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".

But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.

Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting.


still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm.


So did you read the entire post or not? Were you like "oh I'm not reading it because he's scum". Or did you read it and conclude I was scum? How does this work? If you think my case is good then stop reading me as scum. If you think my case is bad please tell me why it's bad.


your reasons seem arbitrary i don't see why it matters whether he lies/slipsup upon reading abuses' posts or the thread. You don't have any other reason than that. It's like you're desperately trying to find any fault in zen to take the heat off of yourself.


Why is he lying? Why is he rushing to make a push? Do you feel that the general mindset behind his post came from a townie perspective. Again, please stop being vague about this. I've explained the scum-rationale behind it. If you have any additional questions please feel free to ask, but if you don't agree with it you need to be specific. Do you feel like I'm lying about it coming from a scummy perspective? Are all the points I brought up not relevant and scummy?

Also want to point out that there is relatively little heat on me, and I don't get pressured into anything as either alignment.
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October 08 2014 01:58 GMT
#264
On October 08 2014 10:49 Rad wrote:
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On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.]


Mind sharing who else is on your scum list?


Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much.

@Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.

Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon?

"His play is the most scummy-like"
As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?'

On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.


Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?

You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?

Why are you taking the easy route here?


It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.

No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.

Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information.


You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason?


Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone.

What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why?


Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game.


Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP.

I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen...


Just vote, you can always retract your vote.


Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply?


I am currently quite certain of my case. Also pressure helps. Have you read my case? What do you think? Any reason why you're not voting on zen that you can directly relate to my case?
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October 08 2014 02:01 GMT
#266
On October 08 2014 10:59 loafery wrote:
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On October 08 2014 10:52 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:41 loafery wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:27 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:24 loafery wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".

But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.

Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting.


still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm.


So did you read the entire post or not? Were you like "oh I'm not reading it because he's scum". Or did you read it and conclude I was scum? How does this work? If you think my case is good then stop reading me as scum. If you think my case is bad please tell me why it's bad.


your reasons seem arbitrary i don't see why it matters whether he lies/slipsup upon reading abuses' posts or the thread. You don't have any other reason than that. It's like you're desperately trying to find any fault in zen to take the heat off of yourself.


Why is he lying? Why is he rushing to make a push? Do you feel that the general mindset behind his post came from a townie perspective. Again, please stop being vague about this. I've explained the scum-rationale behind it. If you have any additional questions please feel free to ask, but if you don't agree with it you need to be specific. Do you feel like I'm lying about it coming from a scummy perspective? Are all the points I brought up not relevant and scummy?

Also want to point out that there is relatively little heat on me, and I don't get pressured into anything as either alignment.


i beg to differ there has been several ppl calling you out for just staying in the background letting others do the work.

for the answers you're looking for we have to wait for zen to reply.

Don't you think mafia would just say that they agree with abuse or just stay quiet rather than just make a massive post.


Mafia generally doesn't hide like that. If you're not proactive you will get called out.
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October 08 2014 02:12 GMT
#273
On October 08 2014 11:06 loafery wrote:
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On October 08 2014 11:01 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:59 loafery wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:52 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:41 loafery wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:27 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:24 loafery wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Have you read the post? Because it's not "he's following a band wagon".

But yeah, I was reading people sort of being iffy on me, so I decided to really quickly thoroughly analyze everything that has happened in the game and then really quickly make a thorough post on it. Good timing though, because you almost called me scum! Oh wait, that was sarcasm.

Please stop being a donkey and vote for zen or give a good reason why you're not voting.


still a whole day left and i want to hear his side of the story because you still look more scummy than zen atm.


So did you read the entire post or not? Were you like "oh I'm not reading it because he's scum". Or did you read it and conclude I was scum? How does this work? If you think my case is good then stop reading me as scum. If you think my case is bad please tell me why it's bad.


your reasons seem arbitrary i don't see why it matters whether he lies/slipsup upon reading abuses' posts or the thread. You don't have any other reason than that. It's like you're desperately trying to find any fault in zen to take the heat off of yourself.


Why is he lying? Why is he rushing to make a push? Do you feel that the general mindset behind his post came from a townie perspective. Again, please stop being vague about this. I've explained the scum-rationale behind it. If you have any additional questions please feel free to ask, but if you don't agree with it you need to be specific. Do you feel like I'm lying about it coming from a scummy perspective? Are all the points I brought up not relevant and scummy?

Also want to point out that there is relatively little heat on me, and I don't get pressured into anything as either alignment.


i beg to differ there has been several ppl calling you out for just staying in the background letting others do the work.

for the answers you're looking for we have to wait for zen to reply.

Don't you think mafia would just say that they agree with abuse or just stay quiet rather than just make a massive post.


Mafia generally doesn't hide like that. If you're not proactive you will get called out.


yes you weren't proactive before anyone called you out. Then you make this claim on zen and immediately vote him as scum while not even waiting for his response. A bit too quick to rush into thing imo.

Mafia hides. Gets called out. Makes claim with an arbitrary post on reasons I can't agree with. So scummy.


I was fine with how the day was going, which I had exclaimed at multiple points in time. I wanted to get as much information as possible (partially by virtue of votes on you). When I felt like town was stagnating I decided to analyze said information. I'm never directly interested in the first wagon, it generally never hits. You really need to re-evaluate me if you're town. Start off by taking my case seriously.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 02:19 GMT
#274
I'm off.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 15:33 GMT
#322
On October 08 2014 21:55 The_Zen_Man wrote:
I said this in my previous posts, but town is supposed to post analysis and do reads on people. This is what town do.


This is one of the main issues I have with your post. Town does not care about posting analyses and giving reads. Town cares about catching scum. Posting analyses and giving reads is a result of trying to reach this goal. Your post on loaf seemed constructed to look townie, but it did not feel like you had the goal of catching scum. You were not looking to pressure loaf nor were you looking to lynch him. Mafia wants to hide behind townie posts. Your initial post was made to look townie, not to find scum. Hence you're scum.

On October 08 2014 21:55 The_Zen_Man wrote:Mafia does not want this, they want to town to have as little to go on as possible. And regarding why I posted it when I knew abuse had critisized loaf is because I wanted to analyse it from fresh eyes. It's always better to hear others point of view on the matter.


Mafia does not care that much about disrupting town play, their main goal is not to get caught. When you were analyzing loaf, you were looking at the interaction between loaf and abuse, right?

On October 08 2014 21:55 The_Zen_Man wrote:He then says I lied about knowing about abuses case. I admitted to the fact that i had not read trough the whole post carefully, but super then completely distorts this. He says I lied about that fact because i knew about abuses case, somehow implying that i have to know either all or none of abuses case. This makes no sense whatsoever. Either super is stupid or trying to get a case going, but it is possible for someone to read some and not all of his posts.


Why do you feel confident making a post on loaf when you have apparently not analyzed the rest of the interactions? Do you not feel like this is important?

On October 08 2014 21:55 The_Zen_Man wrote:
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On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:
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I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all.

You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong.


Scum is trying to look as much of a town as possible, which includes trying to look like you are looking for a town win. As someone who has played this before, you should be well aware of this. Hell, even newcomers now this, so why do you use this faillogic? This is very scum behavior in my eyes.


I mentioned earlier that I had a argument that abuse had not made and this is the one I was talking about. To my knowledge abuse never mentioned the fact that loaf should now that scum would want to look like they want a town win. This creates a big hole in supers argument, as most of his votepost is based on me saying the same thing as abuse.


I honestly did not care much about your argument. I think it was pretty bad. You even believe that he was genuine about the whole "another game" thing, which means your argument doesn't make that much sense. For you to believe that loaf was saying "I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game." is disingenuous you need to believe that the "I had such a setup during another game" was planned and fake, which you didn't.


Let me make one thing perfectly clear here: you sheeping abuse's reads PINGED me out. It is not the meat of my argument, though it does act as a foundation.
Here are my arguments against you:
- You had no intention of achieving anything with your post. Your post was simply made to make you look townie. This is mafia behavior.
- You either: 1) did not analyze the game fully before making a post or 2) blatantly lied about not reading abuse's push. I honestly think it's a bit of both. Both is scummy.
- You felt a need to rush content out, town cares about catching scum, not getting content out. This is another mafia thing to do.

One question Zen:
Why did you make the post on loaf?
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 15:52 GMT
#323
I'll be back before EoD.
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October 08 2014 17:52 GMT
#329
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:Town cares very much about giving analysis and giving reads, as this is the primary way we figure out who is mafia. I pressured loaf with my FoS, but throwing votes that early often leads to dirt trowback. My first post was an analysis on loaf to try to figure out whether he is town or not. That is what town does. You on the other hand decided to simply say that you think he is town without giving any reasons or arguments as to why. This is what scum does.


If you were looking to pressure loaf with your push, then why did you give abuse shit for pushing on loaf "too hard" (i.e. pressuring him)? Moreover, what did you get from pressuring loaf? I'm genuinely curious.

On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:You can call it bad all you want, it is an argument that is unique to my post, which makes mine different than abuses. Simply calling it bad without telling why is simply bad playing. And how can you critisize me for something you yourself did? You did not react on the 5/6 blue roles thing either. For the record, I did consider him lying but his explanation about it seemed credible, which is why I believed him.


The argument is bad because it relies on the fact that loaf planned the entire thing ahead. I believe loaf was being genuine when talking about being mistaken and having a similar game as to the one he thought this was, you believed the same. As such, your argument falls apart.

On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:Why wouldn't i want to do analysis on people to try to find out who the mafia is? Are you seriously telling people to not post reads and analysis if they do not meet a certain standard? If you are, then please explain why you haven't said anything about breshke doing what you essentially accuse me of doing? His post is more like abuses than mine and he is much less commited, but for some reason you completely ignore this and go solely after me? Townies do not ignore facts so they better fit with their pictures, scum do.


Then who is the mafia zen? What did you find out with your analysis? You reach 0 conclusions and you have effectively put 0 pressure on loaf.

There are a few differences between breshke's post and yours:
- Breshke acknowledges the current push already going on.
- Furthermore, you obviously either lied or rushed your push on loaf.

Now, I'm not reading breshke as town, but I am reading you as more scummy. Hence I'm pushing and voting on you. What do you even think of breshke?

On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Also, one question super:

Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why?


I have dropped several indirect hints as to why I think loaf is town. Most were directed at rad, iirc: Mafia will almost never try to make such a play. The risk is way too high and the chance of getting a reward is way too low. Read my filter.


Now, zen, you say that you pushed on loaf to pressure him. Which leads me to two questions:
1) Why did you give abuse shit for pushing on loaf "too hard" (i.e. pressuring him)?
2) What did you get out of pressuring loaf?
3) What kind of pressure did your post add?
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October 08 2014 17:53 GMT
#330
EBWOP: Hints were not even indirect.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#331
Also, three questions*
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October 08 2014 18:00 GMT
#332
Anyone around?
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October 08 2014 18:03 GMT
#334
On the one hand I want to start a second wagon, on the other hand I really want to lynch zen. What do you think?
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 18:23 GMT
#338
I have the ball rolling already dude. We're also not lynching a lurker. They get modkilled or replaced. It's a waste of a lynch.

My circles:
town:
abuse

leaning town:
loaf
fecalfeast
Rad

null:
Elvis!
dusts

scum:
The_Zen_Man
breshke
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 18:34 GMT
#340
On October 09 2014 03:07 abuse wrote:
I think that if dusts does not show up and place a vote down until EoD, we're better off lynching him. Because if Zen flips town, and dusts gets modkilled and also flips town, we will start being in a very crappy position with 3 towns killed at the beginning of D2

I think zen is a good lynch, but if we consider that this is a newbie game, there is a wildcard that he can be a town that messed up very badly, so the chance of him flipping town in the end is there. even if not a big one..
Also more people need to step up and voice their concerns and their thoughts on everyone.. Currently people not laying their cards down about everyone else will hurt us a lot on D2.. I'd much rather go into D2 seeing how people read others before we received at least 2 flips via D1 lynch and N1 kill..


I don't think zen is a wildcard newbie lynch here. Usually the wildcard lynch is on someone who is controversial, which was loaf. The more I interact with zen the more I'm liking this lynch. If you have some time today I would really like it if you could put some pressure on breshke (i.e. second wagon). I'm sticking to zen because I believe in the lynch and I'm also leading the wagon.
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October 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#343
Yeah, whatever. I guess a single wagon is fine since it's a good wagon. I'm very interested in hearing from breshke and elvis when they are around.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 18:46 GMT
#344
Echoing the request for Rad to give his thoughts on other people.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 19:00 GMT
#347
Rad can you get your circles out before EoD? You don't need to explain them right away.
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October 08 2014 19:06 GMT
#350
On October 09 2014 04:04 Rad wrote:
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On October 09 2014 03:46 Superbia wrote:
Echoing the request for Rad to give his thoughts on other people.


Can you guys (abuse and superbia) explain exactly what you want from me? A list like superbia gave? You guys both read town to me so I believe the request is with good intentions, but list are fucking terrible, and if we end up with a thread full of lists it'll just turn into WIFOM bullshit.

I just don't have the time to give a detailed list like abuse gave. My play time is at night. If you REALLY want a list like superbia gave, fine, I'll do it.


Just a quick update on where you stand before zen (or anyone) flips.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 19:10 GMT
#352
So yes, a list will suffice.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 19:33 GMT
#355
Looking forward to your contribution, elvis.
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 20:09 GMT
#361
Post your thoughts you donkeys. Where did zen go?
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Superbia
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October 08 2014 20:33 GMT
#368
On October 09 2014 05:16 The_Zen_Man wrote:Now you are just outright lying. I never gave abuse any shit pushing loaf too hard, just that i simply do not believe early votes are good. What i basically wanted from loaf was a response, see how he reacted.


On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard.


If you want to pressure someone, you pressure them. If other people are pressuring them, you should be happy.

On October 09 2014 05:16 The_Zen_Man wrote:That was not what my argument was, did you even read it? It seems like you are doing exaclty what you say im doing. My argument was that loaf had as defense that he was town because he mentioned a quick townwin:


Here's the thing. I've said this before, but loaf's right. You're not going for such a play as scum. That shit is very rare and will probably only ever be done by an utterly bored veteran. The defense also makes sense if you agree that the whole "did not read OP well enough" and "had a game with 20 million roles before" (not exact quotes) was genuine.


Care to give an answer to my 3 questions?
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October 08 2014 20:35 GMT
#370
On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Zen man:scum, everyone has said it already, if someone wants a post specifically from me about zen i can do that. My vote stays put as of now. It is starting to worry me that nobody is vehemently against the wagon, though.


Most of voters right now are on my townlist, I'm happy. But if he flips town I'm going to have to re-evaluate the whole game. At the moment I'm living in the fairy dream world in which zen's going to flip scum and we win on d2.
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#373
On October 09 2014 05:44 abuse wrote:
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On October 09 2014 05:35 Superbia wrote:
On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Zen man:scum, everyone has said it already, if someone wants a post specifically from me about zen i can do that. My vote stays put as of now. It is starting to worry me that nobody is vehemently against the wagon, though.


Most of voters right now are on my townlist, I'm happy. But if he flips town I'm going to have to re-evaluate the whole game. At the moment I'm living in the fairy dream world in which zen's going to flip scum and we win on d2.


so if he flips scum you won't reevaluate the game? are you so completely sure that breshke is the 2nd scum?


No, but I won't have to re-evaluate my town circle if he flips scum. At least not tomorrow.
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October 08 2014 20:59 GMT
#383
Feeling a little iffy, but cross your fingers boys!
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October 08 2014 21:03 GMT
#389
Oh well. What happens to dusts?
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October 08 2014 21:26 GMT
#400
I don't have the energy to evaluate right now but I'll be around for a little.
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October 09 2014 21:39 GMT
#468
We don't claim PRs here. We also don't claim whether you got blocked or whatever. I'll find some scum after ESL is done.
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October 09 2014 22:34 GMT
#472
On October 10 2014 07:29 loafery wrote:
i think vet should just claim. the mafia knows who he is anyway and will prolly die n2. I don't want to lynch a vet by accident. We have 7 left 2 mafia 5 townies. If vet claims we get 4 townies and 2 mafia. Less chance of lynching town. I don't want to lynch town and get the vet killed on n2 leaving 3 town and 2 mafia on d3, it's too good a scenario for scum.


How do you know it's a vet? Could be a doctor or a JK.
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October 09 2014 22:45 GMT
#475
On October 10 2014 07:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 10 2014 07:34 Superbia wrote:
On October 10 2014 07:29 loafery wrote:
i think vet should just claim. the mafia knows who he is anyway and will prolly die n2. I don't want to lynch a vet by accident. We have 7 left 2 mafia 5 townies. If vet claims we get 4 townies and 2 mafia. Less chance of lynching town. I don't want to lynch town and get the vet killed on n2 leaving 3 town and 2 mafia on d3, it's too good a scenario for scum.


How do you know it's a vet? Could be a doctor or a JK.

Do you have any thoughts since the end of day 1?


Not really. I kinda just went off after we misslynched and I just got home a while ago. Watching ESL atm.
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October 10 2014 01:21 GMT
#477
ESL is going to eat my entire night. Will find scum tomorrow.
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October 10 2014 18:45 GMT
#520
All right I'm here and reading some filters. If people want to interact go ahead. If a cop or a tracker has a red, you out.
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October 10 2014 19:01 GMT
#521
No one around for a quick chat? Worst thing that can happen is me lynching you.
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October 10 2014 19:05 GMT
#524
Yo FF where do you stand? What are your thoughts on the game so far?
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October 10 2014 19:18 GMT
#529
On October 11 2014 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hullo super. I think you should post a lot more as unless we get another lucky JK/Doc save we're boned. You watched mad dota last night, are you all caught up? Why not give your thoughts on the game?


Nah not caught up at all. Currently reading the zen push again. What are your thoughts on abuse and loaf?
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October 10 2014 19:58 GMT
#530
FF did you faint or what?
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October 10 2014 20:17 GMT
#532
Lol, who are you mafia with?
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October 10 2014 20:20 GMT
#533
No need for big posts, just explain your thought process behind this list:

On October 10 2014 06:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
omg before deadline if I die:
town
elvis
abuse
scum
breshke
super

everyone else null or i can't think

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On October 11 2014 05:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 11 2014 05:20 Superbia wrote:
No need for big posts, just explain your thought process behind this list:

On October 10 2014 06:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
omg before deadline if I die:
town
elvis
abuse
scum
breshke
super

everyone else null or i can't think


elvis used his time during night, abuse used his time during night but felt it was better used at the end, they both did work. Breshke looked scummy all game and you were doing nothing as well. You still are doing nothing, really.


You were around for most of the night, why did you have to rush everything? What do you think about Rad?
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October 10 2014 20:43 GMT
#537
When did I poke you?
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#539
So it was a future-read? Sick.
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October 10 2014 20:47 GMT
#540
So let me get this straight: You scumread me at EoN1 because I'm poking you during D2?
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October 10 2014 20:51 GMT
#543
Not all of us know who the townies are, FF.

So your entire list was based on who was active during N1? Nothing from D1?
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October 10 2014 20:56 GMT
#545
Just wondering how Rad goes from top town to missing and I go from leaning town to pure scum.
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October 10 2014 21:01 GMT
#548
On October 11 2014 05:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 11 2014 05:56 Superbia wrote:
Just wondering how Rad goes from top town to missing and I go from leaning town to pure scum.

Rad did work early on, then went missing from the thread for a while and did much less work in his later posts causing me not to think of him at the time of my panic post.

Reads change, obviously yours has when you said I was leaning town.


And it was purely based on me being gone during the night, right? At least at the point during which you gave your list.
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October 10 2014 21:13 GMT
#551
You added me to scum at EoN1 to bring me back the the thread?
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October 10 2014 21:13 GMT
#552
EBWOP: to the thread*
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October 10 2014 21:35 GMT
#557
On October 11 2014 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
You're taking another random specific from my post and questioning it. I'll answer only because it seems nobody else is around.


I said the word "might" putting you in the scum list also might get you to go crazy over being scumread. You're reinforcing my read with every post you make but at the TIME OF POSTING yes, I put you in the scum column to see how you would react to being put in the scum column, along with the fact that you did not post hardly at all during the night.

Two things going through my head:
1. You have the biggest filter

2. I tried to find the post but I couldn't but from last game someone important (blazinghand I think?) said "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching" in more or fewer words.

If you have a real reason to think I'm scum, vote me. If not, I'm not going to argue over my panic list anymore.

[/QUOTE]

So let me get this perfectly straight FF:
- It's almost EoN1.
- You want to make a quick list because you think you're going to die (this is your mindset during the post).
- You put me on the scum list because YOU WANT A REACTION?.

How does this make sense when you think it's possible you're about to die? It only makes sense if you think you're going to be alive to follow up the next day.
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October 10 2014 21:37 GMT
#558
Bresh let's talk. You're reading elvis as scum?
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October 10 2014 21:47 GMT
#560
Explain to me real quick why he definitely is scum here. Just give a quick rundown of your arguments.
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October 10 2014 22:11 GMT
#562
That's actually a pretty decent case (the very first part).

Prob 1 scum on zen wagon 1 scum outside if that's what you're asking. That's the most likely set up.
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October 10 2014 23:07 GMT
#566
Why are you voting for FF?
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October 10 2014 23:23 GMT
#578
On October 11 2014 08:15 Rad wrote:
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On October 11 2014 08:07 Superbia wrote:
Why are you voting for FF?


Patiently awaiting your response to my questions.


I'm not voting for FF because I'm not sure on him being scum yet.
Abuse's comment looked like he was trying to make friends (again). Can be done by either alignment.

On October 11 2014 08:15 Rad wrote:The fact that you asked me that question makes me doubt my own read on you.


Asking relevant questions makes you doubt your own reads? Well that sucks for you then. I'm not going to stop asking questions. You shouldn't be sure about me anyway.

On October 11 2014 08:07 Superbia wrote:
Why are you voting for FF?

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October 10 2014 23:30 GMT
#580
In fact, rad. Why the fuck did that make you doubt your read on me?
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October 10 2014 23:55 GMT
#583
Whatever man. You make a post that ends up in some random vote that doesn't have anything to do with the post. That confuses the fuck out of me.

I'll wait and see what FF cooks up with his reads.
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October 11 2014 01:24 GMT
#588
Rad, what are you thinking?
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#589
I'm off. Lynching scum tomorrow.
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October 11 2014 13:18 GMT
#600
Abuse confirmed worst player ever. I've demonstrated before that I'm fine with sitting back. I'm not going to "do something" if I'm still iffy myself on who's mafia.

Your list also does not add up. How do you push scum on rad but then null him with "(coinflip with a bigger chance of being town)".
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October 11 2014 13:23 GMT
#601
Heads up btw. I think Rad is scum here. Read his filter and tell me what he wanted to achieve during d1 or d2.
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October 11 2014 13:28 GMT
#602
##Vote: Rad
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October 11 2014 13:31 GMT
#603
Abuse are you still around or what?
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October 11 2014 14:09 GMT
#607
On October 11 2014 23:06 abuse wrote:
i didnt push rad as scum.
I said that post was scummy.

im going to need more than "i think rad is scum here, read his filter" to persuade me that he is scum in this game.


It's a short filter. He asks questions but never reaches any conclusions. His pushes are super weak (i.e. ##FoS) at best, and non-existent at worst. Today he shows up with some random ass post and then disappears. We had to explicitly ask him for a list at EoD1 because we had no idea where he stood. I have no idea where he stands or what he wants to do this game. I don't think he's scum hunting, I think he's scum.
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October 11 2014 14:12 GMT
#608
On October 11 2014 23:07 abuse wrote:
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On October 11 2014 22:18 Superbia wrote:
Abuse confirmed worst player ever. I've demonstrated before that I'm fine with sitting back. I'm not going to "do something" if I'm still iffy myself on who's mafia.


ok. Then start finding scum as you said you would do so many times already instead of just pointing a finger at rad and saying that he is scum.
Until you do that, my vote stays here.


"Hey start finding scum instead of finding scum". I poured all my energy into a good tunnel D1 and it got us a misslynch. I also haven't caught anyone "slipping" or whatever. My read on Rad envelops pretty much all his posts.
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October 11 2014 14:38 GMT
#612
On October 11 2014 23:23 abuse wrote:
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On October 11 2014 23:09 Superbia wrote:
On October 11 2014 23:06 abuse wrote:
i didnt push rad as scum.
I said that post was scummy.

im going to need more than "i think rad is scum here, read his filter" to persuade me that he is scum in this game.


It's a short filter. He asks questions but never reaches any conclusions. His pushes are super weak (i.e. ##FoS) at best, and non-existent at worst. Today he shows up with some random ass post and then disappears. We had to explicitly ask him for a list at EoD1 because we had no idea where he stood. I have no idea where he stands or what he wants to do this game. I don't think he's scum hunting, I think he's scum.


Many people do that and he did not FoS anyone after D1. Many people have pretty much disappeared today as you can see its just you and me here now.
We had to ask him for a list at EoD, but we had to ask EVERYONE for a list at EoD and he was one of the first people to supply it even though at the very start of the game he said he hates lists.

What do you REALLY think about breshke and why did you question him in such a friendly matter today and say "that is a pretty nice case you present" when let's face it - it wasn't really. Why are you doing this if you read him as scum aswell at the end of D1? Do you really think there is not enough evidence against him at this point? Do you honestly think he is not scummier than Rad now?
What about loaf? Why do you not try to figure out if he is town or scum?
What do you think about Elvis? Do you think that his mentioning zen was town before he flipped was a scumslip by him or not? Don't you dare tell me you do not have an opinion on that.


Look, the real fucking questions inside my head are:
- What did Rad do during D1?
- What did Rad do during D2?

I didn't get any vibes that he was looking to find any scum whatsoever. That's my read on him.


Breshke is too easy of a target. We both have played with him, do you have a good read on his town or mafia play? Because I certainly don't. If you have a decent case on him and want to lynch him: Fair enough, show me.

I'm not going to elaborate on loaf. If you want to lynch me for that, go ahead.

Elvis is my secondary lynch option here. He only seems to care about Breshke, and his play from d1 seems to be setting up a lynch on Breshke, after it became obvious that Zen would be the lynch. Could very well be mafia going after low hanging fruit. Assuming Zen was town before he flipped could very well be a slip, and it read scummy to me. He elaborated on it soon after, but I'm not really convinced.
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October 11 2014 14:58 GMT
#614
Fair enough. I'll read them in a bit, gotta finish something rq.
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October 11 2014 15:41 GMT
#616
All right, abuse. I've read your case and it's pretty decent.

Here's the situation:
Breshke is most likely never mafia with Elvis! and vice-versa. They are likely never aligned.

Rad can be mafia with Elvis!
Rad can be mafia with Breshke.
(Rad can be mafia with anyone, hasn't really aligned)

Wagon on Breshke or Elvis!
Wagon on Rad.

We get lots of information, high chance of finding scum. Agreed?
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October 11 2014 18:34 GMT
#623
Elvis are you willing to ride or die with Breshke being scum?
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October 11 2014 19:30 GMT
#629
I think Breshke and Rad are still good wagons here. We need to visit loaf tomorrow. Elvis is a decent alternative for either. I'm still not entire sold on FF being town. Abuse is still in the circle.
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October 11 2014 19:30 GMT
#630
On October 12 2014 04:02 abuse wrote:
I am hating the game right now, because there is tons of proof of breshke being scum, but my gut keeps saying he'll flip town.


Who would you look to if he flips town?
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October 11 2014 19:40 GMT
#633
Get your votes down people.
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October 11 2014 20:23 GMT
#637
Just an FYI, I read over that post from FF, didn't really care that much about it. Also the case was pretty good, just ended up being wrong.

Abuse, what are you thinking?
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October 11 2014 20:36 GMT
#642
I'm so sad that Rad didn't vote for Breshke, that would've made the game much easier. I think we should lynch between Elvis or Breshke here. Elvis is probably aligned with FF, Breshke might be aligned with ... Rad? Possibly. Gut says we should kill Elvis! here.
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October 11 2014 20:37 GMT
#643
We should've voted Breshke to see if he's actually here.
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October 11 2014 20:41 GMT
#646
Is loafery set to be modkilled, or just warned?
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October 11 2014 20:41 GMT
#647
##Unvote
##Vote: Breshke
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October 11 2014 20:42 GMT
#648
Let's see if he's around.
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October 11 2014 20:43 GMT
#650
This is a fucking disaster btw. Can't get any decent information like this.

Put your votes on one of the following:
Breskhe
Elvis
Rad
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October 11 2014 20:43 GMT
#651
We're not killing loaf.
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October 11 2014 20:45 GMT
#654
On October 12 2014 05:44 abuse wrote:
superbia, didn't you say you were inclined to think that breshke is too easy of a mislynch? Any reason for voting him after all?


I may or may not change my vote soon. I wanted to see if he's around.
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October 11 2014 20:46 GMT
#656
On October 12 2014 05:44 abuse wrote:
Why are we not killing loaf, if we lose if he gets modkilled and scum succeeds in killing someone..?


Losing the game due to modkills should not be a thing, hence I'm not going to play like that.
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October 11 2014 20:46 GMT
#658
Fuck it, I say we kill Rad here.
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October 11 2014 20:47 GMT
#659
Or Elvis!
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#667
On October 12 2014 05:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok i wasn't supposed to use my phone but fuck the police. If breshke is town look at elvis be back later.


##unvote
##vote breshke


Wasn't elvis like super town for you?
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October 11 2014 20:53 GMT
#674
Can we discuss a lynch on FF real quick? Like 2m. Who would be up for it except for Rad?
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October 11 2014 20:57 GMT
#682
I think scum would be around at EoD. It's the most important moment for them. Breshke probably not scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Elvis!
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#685
yolo.
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October 11 2014 20:58 GMT
#687
Vote for Elvis, abuse.
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October 11 2014 20:59 GMT
#690
You're probably scum. Mostly PoE.
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October 11 2014 21:03 GMT
#695
Did we miss Elvis? You're dead here.
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October 11 2014 21:04 GMT
#699
Fuck this game man.
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October 11 2014 21:04 GMT
#701
abuse if you're scum and I'm the only one trying I'm going to be so mad.
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October 11 2014 21:05 GMT
#704
If he hasn't posted at EoN1.
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October 11 2014 21:06 GMT
#705
To be honest I'm so happy this is my last newbie game. I have no idea how to read newer players.
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October 11 2014 21:06 GMT
#706
Apparently.
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October 11 2014 21:08 GMT
#708
Tomorrow should be claimwars.
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October 11 2014 21:09 GMT
#709
Rad are you still around?
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October 11 2014 21:10 GMT
#711
Deadline is on Tuesday though.
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#715
On October 12 2014 06:10 Rad wrote:
I'm here.


What are your thoughts?
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October 11 2014 21:15 GMT
#723
I'm pointing a finger right at FF.
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October 11 2014 21:17 GMT
#725
Here's why:
- At least 3 town are arguing at EoD.
- Votes are completely unknown, mafia has probably been lurking but scared
- Rad pushes on FF.
- FF comes in and drops easy vote on Breshke to ensure it's harder to lynch scum.
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October 11 2014 21:17 GMT
#726
Knowledge bomb dropped, Breshke confirmed town, FF confirmed scum.
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October 11 2014 21:20 GMT
#728
If we have tracker or cop check abuse or Rad.
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October 11 2014 21:25 GMT
#730
I'm going to drop a second knowledge bomb at EoN. PREPARE SCUM. Game is going to be solved if loaf avoids MK.
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October 11 2014 21:35 GMT
#733
Right abuse, I'm going to emulate the mafia environment for you right now.
EoD:
There is 1 vote on pretty much everyone. Which means there is 1 vote on at least 1 mafia. At this point, mafia can't just sit back and observe. This goes on until I fucking pressure Breshke to see if he's actually there. At that point, it's still not clear for mafia where the end vote will be. They have to fucking show up. FF showing up and putting a vote on Breshke there completes this scenario.

At the moment I think you may be mafia with FF, or Rad is mafia with FF. Hence check one of you two, solve the game from there.
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 11 2014 21:36 GMT
#734
Woop woop.

I think a cop or tracker should out their checks at EoN. Like 5s before deadline or some shit.
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 12 2014 17:48 GMT
#744
If we have tracker or cop, check abuse.
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 12 2014 17:54 GMT
#745
Or if you think you have a better target, do your thing.
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Superbia
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October 12 2014 20:59 GMT
#746
So I am the Veteran, and I'm 99% sure I took a shot N1.

Town Veteran - Edward Teller

You are obsessed with the idea of making a hydrogen bomb. In fact, you are so obsessed that being shot once won't stop you.



The reason I've protected loaf is because I've had a PR read on him since D1. Specifically, I had a tracker read on him since D2. Post #96 and #470 specifically stood out to me.

#96 showcases that loaf thinks he was living in a world in which there was only 1 VT. This would only be a reasonable if he actually was a PR, what are the odds that he was the only VT? He would probably do a doublecheck before reaching this conclusion if he was VT.
#470 is a slip. Seems like he is pretty damn sure there is a vet. Only someone with more info than the other townies would reach this conclusion. I read him PR for this.

If loaf is not the second PR, I'm 90% sure he's scum. If he doesn't claim tonight he should have a solid claim tomorrow.

Excluding tracker shenanigans, I think abuse is town. I think FF may very well be mafia based on his EoN1 list which included me. My thoughtprocess was that he expected me to die (and collect some towniepoints for having a donkey read), because his reasoning behind adding me to the mafia list seemed very iffy. May have been reading too much into this.

Easy game:
Loaf doesn't claim and Breshke and loaf are scum. I don't know, I really wouldn't want to lose to afk mafia, so they're decent lynches for D3.

Normal game:
FF and Rad are scum. Yeah, Rad pushed on FF D2, but was he ever going to die there? It was pretty clear that abuse never wanted to lynch FF. Alternatively it's one of these combined with one from the easy team (they all had decent interactions, so you can pick your combination from filters)

Hard game:
abuse and FF/Rad are scum. I think we just straight up lose in this scenario.



Scum knows that I did not die N1, which means I'm likely not a big PR. If I die during the night, look out for fake claims for 2nd PR and people taking leadership.
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 12 2014 21:02 GMT
#749
Peace! GL town.
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2014 22:46 GMT
#1048
G_G scum. :D
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2014 22:50 GMT
#1051
Haha I read you mafia for that shit, but I didn't want to lynch you d1. :p Also had a bigger read on Zen later that game. Sorry zen!

Ironically, I was edging between Elvis, Rad and FF before EoD2. And at said point I was ready to post "let's kill Rad" there, but I went to Elvis because I felt we would get game winning info from that lynch. Oh well. :D

Well played!
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2014 22:57 GMT
#1052
Reading this QT reinforces the idea that I need to stick to my quirky reads (i.e. reading FF scum because he made a weird scum read on me EoN1 for no good reason because he expected me to die there).
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Superbia
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October 14 2014 23:02 GMT
#1054
On October 15 2014 07:49 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 07:46 Superbia wrote:
G_G scum. :D


Glad we could finally kill you, sir. u2scary4me this game.


:D It was fun playing against you guys. Well played!
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2014 23:03 GMT
#1055
On October 15 2014 08:01 Rad wrote:
Superbia, did you being a vet affect your d1 confidence and lack of a n1 LW? I read that as such so I felt comfortable with going after you again n2.


It didn't really affect my confidence that much. It did (partially) affect my absence at N1.
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2014 23:09 GMT
#1057
On October 15 2014 08:06 Rad wrote:
Good to know. If you left a LW n1 I probably push for us to kill abuse n2 and WIFOM lynch you d3.


I will never get lynched! Ever! :D
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2014 23:14 GMT
#1059
:D Another time, another game.
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Superbia
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Netherlands8889 Posts
October 14 2014 23:35 GMT
#1061
On October 15 2014 08:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
I like to think I could talk my way out of an early scumread from you superbia but as Rad said, you were 2scary4us you were dying no matter how many shots it took


At least I was killed out of respect! I'm okay with that.

Also, shout out to my coach, Promethelax, who gave me some excellent tips! (also for having me talk myself out of lynching FF d1 ). QT if anyone's interested: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/FtvMPxNpp5QG
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 15 2014 06:49 GMT
#1068
You did fine abuse. I thought it was easy to read you town and your pushes and reads provided me with a lot of information. Yeah, we didn't lynch mafia, but hey, it happens. Game was decently hard. We'll get 'em next time. Also don't be too hard on loaf (and loaf don't be too hard on yourself), it's a newbie game for a reason.

Loaf, next time, you probably want to out your role in LYLO if you're not confirmed town (and especially if you're being read scummy). The main priority in LYLO is to gather up all the town (3 players, in this case) and have them all vote on the same mafia. If town is divided at EoD, the game is lost, because mafia can just vote-switch and hop on the town wagon at the last minute.

Also as a side-note, I had no idea the mafia would send a single person to do the lynch (for tracker shenanigans). I shouldn't have told tracker who to track there.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 15 2014 06:50 GMT
#1069
Thanks LoneMeow for hosting! :D
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Last Edited: 2014-10-15 08:05:39
October 15 2014 08:05 GMT
#1082
Anyone have any post-game tips/feedback for me?
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
October 15 2014 08:09 GMT
#1084
On October 15 2014 17:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 15 2014 17:05 Superbia wrote:
Anyone have any post-game tips/feedback for me?

be on my team next time


Noted.
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