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abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 07:51 GMT
#825
Please do a better hypoclaim that actually reflects who you would track if you WERE the tracker.
Obviously you cannot track yourself.

Also, calm down.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 07:53 GMT
#830
On October 13 2014 16:51 loafery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 16:40 abuse wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:37 loafery wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:26 abuse wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:10 loafery wrote:
why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly

Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed.

You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons.


even if you are a vanilla townie, you still get notified if you get roleblocked.
your logic is flawed.

also you are scum.


don't patronize me and other players by making up this rule.

My claim that bresh and abuse is scum are even more strenghtened by the fact that you 2 have a united front about this roleblocking business. Don't know how you 2 can agree on this roleblocking issue when it's blatantly clear that you don't get notified when you get rolevlocked. I have never in my life heard of anyone being notified. You're meant to deduce whether or not you were.


You do know that what you're doing now is completely useless because at one point a mod will come here and say that I am correct?


you're making everyone focus on this one fact to try and discredit everything I've said when the other reasons don't depend on this rule at all.



They depend only on this rule, and on the fact that you think that we are complete idiots who cannot figure out if there is a tracker or a jk in the game, because you cannot even comprehend that people can make their conclusions on stuff they see themselves ,not what you try to push in front of them.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 07:54 GMT
#831
Seriously, does even 1 person here think that if me and breshke were scum together, then I would build such huge cases on him, showing every mistake he has made in this entire game?
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 08:02 GMT
#839
Why are you just copying your post again?

paragraph 1:
it has already been explained by me, that there is less than 1% of a JK being in the game, and I have also said why.

paragraph 2:
I voted explained explicitly why I voted for elvis, and you are a disgusting hypocrite for even daring to say stuff like this considering you were not at EoD to vote for anyone. (Hell, you had 48 hours to place down a vote)

paragraph 3:
Blatant lies, I never defended Zen.

paragraph 4 :
I just love this. "but something happened at night". You don't even know what happened, yet you are so sure of this and pushing it so hard. also why on earth would I want to kill superbia considering he read me as town the entire game.

your case is a joke, and I don't think we should address it anymore until the mod answers the roleblocker question, to prove to everyone else here, who for I don't even know what valid reasons are not voting for you right now, because you are the most blatant scum right now I have seen in any game so far.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 08:03 GMT
#840
On October 13 2014 16:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Abuse, you are either the tracker, think I'm the tracker (I'm not), or think rad or loaf is the tracker. Rad isn't here so am I wrong to deduce that you think loaf is the tracker in the event that you are not?


you are wrong.
Won't say anything more until we get hypo's from everyone else.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 08:04 GMT
#843
On October 13 2014 17:00 Breshke wrote:
Also to anyone thinking me and abuse are partners

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On October 12 2014 05:58 abuse wrote:
## VOTE : Breshke

too late I guess.
If people are willing to last second switch to elvis, I'd support.


This was posted very late D2 when superbia and abuse were deciding who to lynch. Abuse posted this before seeing superbia go on Elvis. Why if we were partners would he try make a late swing in the votes for me


this is a good point, yes.
This was frigging less than 2 minutes before EoD.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 08:04 GMT
#844
On October 13 2014 17:03 loafery wrote:
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On October 13 2014 16:54 abuse wrote:
Seriously, does even 1 person here think that if me and breshke were scum together, then I would build such huge cases on him, showing every mistake he has made in this entire game?


it's a fact you 2 are scum. You aren't denying that you aren't scum but saying that you both arent scum....

A normal vt would say I'm not scum but maybe he might be scum. What are you guys doing now? Claiming that you're both not scum. I don;t like how you two are forming a untied front against me when the only person you have to convince is ff right now because rad isnt; here. It's convenient when 2 people atatck the same person.


LOL.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 08:35 GMT
#854
Im hoping thanksgiving does not mean that you people will be away the entire time. don't really know how seriously you people take it as we do not have thanksgiving here.

Otherwise I'd like to ask the mods to increase the deadline by 24h due to thanksgiving.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 08:47 GMT
#856
Oh!
Okay. Well still, would be great if you could stay in check with the thread.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 09:03 GMT
#859
2 options currently.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 11:02 GMT
#861
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 13 2014 16:37 loafery wrote:
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On October 13 2014 16:26 abuse wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:10 loafery wrote:
why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly

Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed.

You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons.


even if you are a vanilla townie, you still get notified if you get roleblocked.
your logic is flawed.

also you are scum.


don't patronize me and other players by making up this rule.

My claim that bresh and abuse is scum are even more strenghtened by the fact that you 2 have a united front about this roleblocking business. Don't know how you 2 can agree on this roleblocking issue when it's blatantly clear that you don't get notified when you get rolevlocked. I have never in my life heard of anyone being notified. You're meant to deduce whether or not you were.


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On October 13 2014 19:14 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 16:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
DO YOU GET A NOTIFICATION WHEN YOU ARE ROLEBLOCKED?


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On October 13 2014 16:42 abuse wrote:
Mod, please confirm that vanilla townies get PM'ed saying they get roleblocked when they do.
Also, can I show a screenshot of a PM from Amiko in the previous newbie game to prove this?



Yes. Both special roles and VTs get notified of roleblocks.

You can post screenshot of a PM from a previous game if you make sure there's nothing pertinent to current game visible in it, but it should not be necessary with a mod confirmation of the facts.


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On October 13 2014 16:41 Breshke wrote:
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On October 13 2014 16:37 loafery wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:26 abuse wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:10 loafery wrote:
why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly

Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed.

You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons.


even if you are a vanilla townie, you still get notified if you get roleblocked.
your logic is flawed.

also you are scum.


don't patronize me and other players by making up this rule.

My claim that bresh and abuse is scum are even more strenghtened by the fact that you 2 have a united front about this roleblocking business. Don't know how you 2 can agree on this roleblocking issue when it's blatantly clear that you don't get notified when you get rolevlocked. I have never in my life heard of anyone being notified. You're meant to deduce whether or not you were.


Nope its because the game in which abuse says he was roleblocked as VT i was also in it and can vouch for what he says until the mod confirms it. Seriously feel free to go back and look at it it was the last newbie game before this one.


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On October 13 2014 16:55 loafery wrote:
I don't like how you and abuse think there is a definite tracker and I don't know what you want with these hypo claims of tracking, to me they're useless. It's just hypothesis. What are we meant to achieve from this?

I don't like how abuse changed his vote last second which was the deciding vote in lynching elvis when he yea could have voted for you when he even wrote that case against you. To me it was just a pretend case because both of you are scum. And then abuse pretends to be indecisive at the end voting for bresh first then finally settling on elvis who eventually got lynched and was town.

It's no surprise on d1 when you 2 pretend to defend zen in words but come upwith an excuse to vote for him anyway. All you 2 have been doing is making fake cases then eventually following superbia's votes and making him look bad because you guys knew he was the vet and you guys wanted to lynch him.

But something happened at night and superbia claimed vet so you had to kill him at night. Or else you could have kept him alive and either lynched him or claimed vet and tracker yourselves and have a 50/50. You guys know there is a tracker and you guys are so sure of it because you guys don't have a roleblocker between you and only have 2 goons.


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On October 13 2014 17:02 abuse wrote:
Why are you just copying your post again?

paragraph 1:
it has already been explained by me, that there is less than 1% of a JK being in the game, and I have also said why.

paragraph 2:
I voted explained explicitly why I voted for elvis, and you are a disgusting hypocrite for even daring to say stuff like this considering you were not at EoD to vote for anyone. (Hell, you had 48 hours to place down a vote)

paragraph 3:
Blatant lies, I never defended Zen.

paragraph 4 :
I just love this. "but something happened at night". You don't even know what happened, yet you are so sure of this and pushing it so hard. also why on earth would I want to kill superbia considering he read me as town the entire game.

your case is a joke, and I don't think we should address it anymore until the mod answers the roleblocker question, to prove to everyone else here, who for I don't even know what valid reasons are not voting for you right now, because you are the most blatant scum right now I have seen in any game so far.



Time to lynch scum boys.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 13 2014 11:58 GMT
#865
On October 13 2014 20:22 loafery wrote:
Rad ff vote breshke

breshke and abuse arent going to change their votes because they know i know they are scum.


Yes, that must totally be it, not like, all the evidence that we presented and the fact that you were completely useless the entire game and are now pushing us like mad because of no reason whatsoever because all your "reasons" are trash and have been already proven trash by me and the mod .

Honestly, there is no way you could be more confirmed scum than you are now, unless we'd have a confirmed cop check.
Hell, you still have not even replied to my hypo track initiative, because "I don't see the use in this" even after I said that the use would be revealed after everyone does it.

@ Rad,
I am waiting for your hypo tracker list.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 14 2014 07:07 GMT
#894
The reason for the hypoclaims was to tell if either breshke or Rad were tracker. Because one of them had to be tracker while the other be scum.

Taking this seriously or not is one of the reasons I did this and breshke did and rad didn't.
Another thing I wanted to see is if the tracker listened to what superbia said during N2.
That is to track me during the night. Breshke's hypo list did take that into account and he has me as his N2 track. He saw me not going anywhere and this is why he is not pushing me at all currently.

FF is town.

loaf+rad is the scum team.

There is no reason whatsoever, that a person with a brain, especially someone as observant as rad(as he has proven this game) to go against me at this point and not loaf when it is so blatantly obvious that loaf is pushing just because he wants to persuade people. He ignores every counter argument thrown his way. Hence why I am 100% ignoring all of his posts now. He is scum, there is no need to read his trash anymore.

Call me arrogant, but there is no way in hell, that I should be even considered scum at this point, considering the input I had in this game. Hell, I was the only person who tried to make people look at everyone else during this entire game, always being open and showing my reads on everyone, trying to solve the game.
Loaf did nothing. he didn't even vote in 50% of his day phases.
Rad tried to push a wagon with virtually no proof(wagon on FF) and kept going at it at D2. Then just dropped it altogether and hey, now me and breshke are obvious scum, right? And FF is town now, just like that.

Also, what breshke said is not a scumslip. You just have to look at this point of view. What he meant by that point is that loaf is ignoring everything FF says and is only focusing on me and breshke, while FF has been saying pretty much the same things as me and breshke about loaf. Breshke thinks that FF can be scum because his "pressure" on loaf is no reason for loaf to worry about it, since it will not be actual real pressure in the end, if loaf+ff is a scumteam. I do not believe this to be the case though.

Again. Loaf+Rad scumteam.

It is all up to you really FF.
Which sucks because you have thanksgiving and whatnot and can't go through the game as you need to at this point.
But please just read loafs posts during this day and remember what he was like the entire time up to here.
Also look at rad's reads. They make no sense.
His entire case on me right now is also a joke, because it is all based on assumptions, and 0 actual proof. Also note how conveniently he is always busy and "catching up with the thread".

This game is solved. I will not move my vote from loaf today. And I am voting Rad tomorrow.

I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 14 2014 07:11 GMT
#895
On October 14 2014 14:53 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 14:15 Breshke wrote:
On October 14 2014 14:00 Rad wrote:
On October 14 2014 13:13 Breshke wrote:
I am still reading abuse as town one of the reasons is him voting Elvis and not me. both of them would have been a miss lynch so as mafia it probably would have looked far better for him to just lynch me as he had made the first and most well rounded case on me.


Abuse voted you, then switched to elvis following superbia (remember we now know that superbia's move was a town move). Scum doesn't care who gets lynched as long as it's town and this opened an opportunity for superbia to take the fall d3 (until of course he started openly considering abuse as scum). In fact, a scum abuse HAD to follow superbia here or risk losing superbia as the scapegoat. That + what I saw as a townie fight between you and elvis is what really pushes me more to believe abuse is scum and you're town.


What makes you think it was a townie fight? Like is there any specific parts? Also if this is your view on it why didn't you oppose the bandwagaons on that day more. Also i know this isn't being discussed anymore really but i think it's important. The second shot on superbia doesn't feel as important to me as I feel like mafia was forced into it as he would have gotten confirmed. Why Rad do you think superbia was shot D1. I know im town so his last reads list had me and Zen as both scum which is wrong. So why was he shot?



I don't know how to explain the feeling of "the way this fight is playing out feels suspiciously like a townie fight" but after you've seen a few it becomes more clear. I recognize I might be wrong but sometimes I gotta go with my gut. I did announce that I wouldn't be voting for either you or elvis that day but I'm not going to straight up defend either of you in case of a scum flip.

This is why I think he got shot d1:

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On October 09 2014 03:23 Superbia wrote:
I have the ball rolling already dude. We're also not lynching a lurker. They get modkilled or replaced. It's a waste of a lynch.

My circles:
town:
abuse <-------------

leaning town:
loaf
fecalfeast
Rad

null:
Elvis!
dusts

scum:
The_Zen_Man
breshke


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On October 13 2014 17:02 abuse wrote:
paragraph 4 :
I just love this. "but something happened at night". You don't even know what happened, yet you are so sure of this and pushing it so hard. --------------->also why on earth would I want to kill superbia considering he read me as town the entire game.


It's a great play in newbies because newbies are easily convinced with WIFOM defenses. A scum abuse just has to establish his towniness and I can't think of an easier way than killing superbia and playing the wifom defense.



or, if I were scum, I could just keep superbia alive, have the other scum make the shot, so tracker would not see me shooting, and just pretend to solve the game together with superbia, now that he would be sure that I am town.
but hey, thinking of it logically is not good for your scum team now, huh ?
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 14 2014 07:43 GMT
#903
On October 14 2014 16:25 Breshke wrote:
Abuse if you are town the scum team is 100% loaf and ff you need to understand this. Seriously show me reasons why fecal is town.


The reason fecal is town is because rad and loaf are scum.

On October 14 2014 16:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
Abuse you have to consider the loaf/breshke team. Look at this breshke guy.


What else do you want me to see?
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 14 2014 07:43 GMT
#904
On October 14 2014 16:37 Breshke wrote:
w/e idc you are very likely mafia here it is 2/3 of you abuse and loaf and I have been reading abuse town most of the game and still do. I'm basically just waiting for rad to come and weigh in again.


why are you saying Rad is not scum so surely?
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 14 2014 07:52 GMT
#906
On October 14 2014 16:47 Breshke wrote:
Ok the dream of not having our tracker outed isn't going to happen. Abuse you assume it is either me or rad that is the tracker i had the same thought about you. If it isn't you then it is Rad.

I know you said one of us scum one tracker but do you really think i wouldn't take that easy fake claim if i was mafia.


So you are saying you are definitely not tracker.
Crap.
Well then it's either FF or Rad, so Rad is the clear for now, he's just not as bright of a cookie as I thought.
Either way, loaf is 100% scum.
Hopefully rad stops being... like this, after loaf flips.
Can find the last scum tomorrow after the NK, which will give us tons of info.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 14 2014 08:18 GMT
#909
On October 14 2014 17:01 Rad wrote:
Lol abuse.

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On October 14 2014 16:07 abuse wrote:
The reason for the hypoclaims was to tell if either breshke or Rad were tracker. Because one of them had to be tracker while the other be scum.


So loaf and FF are definitely not tracker while either Breshke or I am tracker because magic?

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On October 14 2014 16:07 abuse wrote:
Taking this seriously or not is one of the reasons I did this and breshke did and rad didn't.


You're assuming I didn't take it seriously because...? Guess who actually didn't take it seriously - loaf and FF.

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On October 14 2014 16:07 abuse wrote:
Another thing I wanted to see is if the tracker listened to what superbia said during N2.
That is to track me during the night. Breshke's hypo list did take that into account and he has me as his N2 track. He saw me not going anywhere and this is why he is not pushing me at all currently.


You not going anywhere would not confirm you as town, but it's cute you're pointing that out like it would.

It's also funny you would think I'd listen to superbia's advice at end of n2. Pay more attention to the game and you'll be able to bullshit easier, abuse.

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On October 14 2014 16:07 abuse wrote:
There is no reason whatsoever, that a person with a brain, especially someone as observant as rad(as he has proven this game) to go against me at this point and not loaf when it is so blatantly obvious that loaf is pushing just because he wants to persuade people.


Again, you're pretending to be confirmed town and that it would be batshit insane to think otherwise. You're not confirmed town and I'm confident others can read through this bullshit.

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On October 14 2014 16:07 abuse wrote:
Call me arrogant, but there is no way in hell, that I should be even considered scum at this point, considering the input I had in this game.


You post a lot and make big cases. See my last newbie game a long time ago. I did the same as scum in that game and my effort won it for me. It's really easy to hide in a ton of bullshit because some people believe a big filter is a townie filter. You have to look at the content and the effort they're making. Here's what your actual input to this game was:

Mislynch wagon
Failed attempt to get vet to claim
Mislynch wagon
Failed to leave last will after suggesting you'd drop that amazing knowledge bomb
Failed attempt to get tracker to claim

Plus lots and lots of ignoring my thoughts on FF even when I'm finding shit for you in the last few minutes before d2 lynch.

What's next? Mislynch or are you bussing your partner to try to solidify that towniness?

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On October 14 2014 16:07 abuse wrote:
Rad tried to push a wagon with virtually no proof(wagon on FF) and kept going at it at D2. Then just dropped it altogether and hey, now me and breshke are obvious scum, right? And FF is town now, just like that.


You should pay better attention to the game. I consider breshke my top town read and by no means do I consider FF a town read.



1) loaf is not the tracker because he is scum because of how he is acting during this day, and because he was useless for all other times in this game so far.

2) ff didn't take it seriously but he also said beforehand that he is definitely not the tracker.

3) me not going anywhere does not prove anything for you and me, but you do not know who the person already tracked, + them having a brain should be a good enough reason to deduce as much.

4) I am not confirmed town by roles, but hell, why the fk would I play like I did this entire game if I wasn't town? This game was so frigging inactive and so easy for scum to win, if I'd just sit in the shadows, because there is literally nobody here who would call out such a behavior.

5) you saying that that was my only input in this game is bullshit.
I was the only one to make cases on every single person in this game.
I was the only one to clearly paint my stance on everyone in this game. Which is much more than you or anyone else in this game did. There is no reason for me to do it in this game if I were scum.
Me being on the mislynch wagon d1 does not prove or signal anything, because it was the only and best wagon on that day. If I call correctly, you yourself said that zen did no scumhunting in this game after he got lynched, so you were obviously okay with his lynch.
I didn't push the vet claim, I said he can do it if he wants to, you were the one who always kept making it like I was pushing that. Plus I thought that such an outcome would be better for town, and switched my stance when you proved me wrong.
N2 was not me on a mislynch wagon, it was a vote on the last second when we had no info on who to really lynch, even though FOR THE WHOLE FRIGGING DAY before I tried to get info from all of you, but you were all fucking afk and lazy.
I never said my knowledge bomb would be "amazing" and I never said it would be a last will. I said I would also leave a knowledge bomb at the end of N2. Which I forgot about, because I have stuff to do in my life and because even then, it wasn't anything that big anyway. Why on earth would I not make damn sure I drop a knowledge bomb, when I promised it, if I were scum? You should be smarter than this.

6) you started giving me "some kind" of things about FF 2 fucking minutes before EoD and I still had no vote on.
If you wanted FF to be lynched, you should've made a decent case about him in the frigging 48 hours of D2. You didn't.

What's next is me calling you an idiot.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
October 14 2014 08:19 GMT
#910
On October 14 2014 17:01 Rad wrote:
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On October 14 2014 16:07 abuse wrote:
Rad tried to push a wagon with virtually no proof(wagon on FF) and kept going at it at D2. Then just dropped it altogether and hey, now me and breshke are obvious scum, right? And FF is town now, just like that.


You should pay better attention to the game. I consider breshke my top town read and by no means do I consider FF a town read.


My point was, if FF was your top scum this entire game, Why do you not push it at all now of all times, when it is literally do or die for town?
I don't believe you.
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October 14 2014 08:26 GMT
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On October 14 2014 17:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 13 2014 16:47 abuse wrote:
Fecal,
I did read.

I don't care if you are not the tracker, I still need your hypoclaims to figure out if you are scum or not.
And you are assuming all that on the fact that we lynch scum today and the tracker tracks the correct person tomorrow.
While it is not incorrect, it is much too risky. Also, I don't see how HYPOCLAIMS FROM EVERYONE would stop your scenario from happening. We do not have to reveal who the real tracker is.
I'm going to tell you right now - I already know who the tracker is.


Was this or was this not a lie/bait?


I was sure that the tracker was between Rad and Breshke.
I was hoping Rad would have more of a brain and actually post a hypo list that would make any sense, instead of taking it stupidly. If he did, I would've taken his list for granted as the real tracker's list, but he didn't take the chance, and did a stupid fake list with the same person during both nights. I can't even emphasize how stupid and anti-town that was of him.

The tracker is now definitely not me, not breshke and not you. So we have that going for us, which is nice.
Basically it means Rad is tracker.
I don't believe you.
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