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geript
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On September 04 2014 16:16 geript wrote: Why is Rayn making me a sad panda? I wait this long and one lousy setup statement. rayn is also rain, rain is water that falls from the sky, water that falls from your eyes is crying, crying is what you do when you're sad. it's all in the name. that aside, even though we're kinda in different places right now on a couple people. i think you're pretty town. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 04 2014 14:09 slOosh wrote: Ok this is nonsense what's going on so I'm gonna shut it down independent of Oats' actual alignment. Oats is posturing into a position where he is blaming people and saying that they aren't scumhunting. Realize that this itself isn't scumhunting. You tell me what Oats has done to scum hunt. Nothing. That question at this point is total bogus. Not only that his actions are shutting down potentially good town discussion of setup. While in normal games setup talk is something scum favor because it is safe to do, this is a unique theme game, and setup talk can be very pro town. The discussion of actions, even if we don't arrive at a consensus, is a great means of developing information and reads. Oats, now to you specifically, this game is unique theme. Don't just port over heuristics lazily and pretend you are all that. If you have specific things you want to grill me on, then go ahead, but I'm asking you to change your current approach of pointing fingers at everyone. Im sorry what? Please quote something about setup that in your words " was a great means of developing information and reads." Who exactly is 'everyone" that I have pointed fingers to. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On September 04 2014 15:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't talk about setup. You can only help scum. Don't claim unless i tell you to. Period. har har har har why should any of us listen to you. and what are your reafs. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I feel like the best play may be just to let people do what they think is best, and then organize things as the game progresses. So you want to have setup talk to develop information and reads. But you dont actually want to have setup talk. ##unvote ##vote sloosh | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
screw phoneposting | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On September 04 2014 16:36 Oatsmaster wrote: I just saw this. So you want to have setup talk to develop information and reads. But you dont actually want to have setup talk. ##unvote ##vote sloosh I feel that is quoting sloosh out of context. the way i read it he is discussing the setup and comes to the conclusion that it is hard to actually execute any coordinated power role plan because any claim will get souped. I think that is a fair point to make even though I do think the inquisitor+oracle visit should yield the most information for the two. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I dont see any way to break the game cause soup kills imba. So stop talking about it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 04 2014 16:43 gobbledydook wrote: I feel that is quoting sloosh out of context. the way i read it he is discussing the setup and comes to the conclusion that it is hard to actually execute any coordinated power role plan because any claim will get souped. I think that is a fair point to make even though I do think the inquisitor+oracle visit should yield the most information for the two. So sloosh concludes that setup discussion is useless right? But in the very next post, he wants people to discuss the setup. There is no point discussing the setup if there is no advantage to be gained. And there isnt. So many roles are standalone. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On September 04 2014 16:45 Oatsmaster wrote: So sloosh concludes that setup discussion is useless right? But in the very next post, he wants people to discuss the setup. There is no point discussing the setup if there is no advantage to be gained. And there isnt. So many roles are standalone. i think you are misunderstanding him. my view is he was referring to earlier setup-talk posts as towny in order to explain his current reads, not necessarily as in 'its useless but keep talking about it muhahaha' | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
The discussion of actions, even if we don't arrive at a consensus, is a great means of developing information and reads. He also says that I should stop stopping people from talking about it. Clearly he thinks its useful. But he didnt think its useful before. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
•Oatsmaster only because ritoky •gobbledydook •IAmRobik •geript •slOosh •ritoky | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
Null: yamato - call out with no reasoning. Impossible to say anything about it damdred - 1 post rayn - 1 post lonemeow - not in yet I'm extremely conflicted about Oats. I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. His case against sloosh is pretty paper thin and I disagree with his interpretation of sloosh's posts. My interpretation is that the Oracle, Inquisitor and Wraith do what they think is best in terms of both finding the best time to reveal and expose themselves to soup, and in addition who they target. All of us, including the mentioned roles should (at some point closer to deadline more likely) put in suggestions as to who are the ideal target(s). Obviously we can wait for sloosh to come back to smooth things out a bit, but I feel like Oats is just cherry picking the part that makes sloosh look the worse and ignoring everything around it. Main reason why I'm conflicted is because the way Oats has been playing is classic town Oats and some high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_- IAmRobik - pretty townie, can't see scum seeing the gobble grail vote reasoning before being told about it. I wouldn't ever hammer over this alone, but it's definitely a strike against gobble Gobble is null-scum - Until I think about it later, something gives me a bad feeling about the initial planning post (regarding Inquis/Oracle visiting the same person) - like it feels like a plan to stifle the information we get from the Inquisitor in order to get Oracle views, which I think is pretty average N1. Then there's the case from Robik which I still think is still decent, but as I said, it's not solid enough evidence. Scum team prediction so far: 1 of the players who haven't posted more than once or twice, oats and gobble. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On September 04 2014 21:06 Sylencia wrote: Haru is town. Can't explain in too much detail without souping Haru. I am pretty certain I'm seeing the ideal situation and disagree with Koshi's statement about not seeing the big picture. Null: yamato - call out with no reasoning. Impossible to say anything about it damdred - 1 post rayn - 1 post lonemeow - not in yet I'm extremely conflicted about Oats. I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. His case against sloosh is pretty paper thin and I disagree with his interpretation of sloosh's posts. My interpretation is that the Oracle, Inquisitor and Wraith do what they think is best in terms of both finding the best time to reveal and expose themselves to soup, and in addition who they target. All of us, including the mentioned roles should (at some point closer to deadline more likely) put in suggestions as to who are the ideal target(s). Obviously we can wait for sloosh to come back to smooth things out a bit, but I feel like Oats is just cherry picking the part that makes sloosh look the worse and ignoring everything around it. Main reason why I'm conflicted is because the way Oats has been playing is classic town Oats and some high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_- IAmRobik - pretty townie, can't see scum seeing the gobble grail vote reasoning before being told about it. I wouldn't ever hammer over this alone, but it's definitely a strike against gobble Gobble is null-scum - Until I think about it later, something gives me a bad feeling about the initial planning post (regarding Inquis/Oracle visiting the same person) - like it feels like a plan to stifle the information we get from the Inquisitor in order to get Oracle views, which I think is pretty average N1. Then there's the case from Robik which I still think is still decent, but as I said, it's not solid enough evidence. Scum team prediction so far: 1 of the players who haven't posted more than once or twice, oats and gobble. I'm amazed that you are null reading the person who has posted nothing but 'i think koshi is scum' and 'still think hes scum'. I think it's very weird that yamato would bother to come in, make an unsubstantiated post, and then disappear. Clearly he had the time to post, but his effort doesn't show it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 04 2014 20:39 Koshi wrote: I think I am ok with the following people. Just based on their posts. •Oatsmaster only because ritoky •gobbledydook •IAmRobik •geript •slOosh •ritoky why sloosh and why isnt this list about scum? | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_- Not true. Sloosh is just mucking about asking weirdass questions that still hasnt lead to anything. How is him saying that nothing more can be discussed about setup and then encouraging discussion about setup a good thing??? Where am I cherry picking instead of not bothering to post irrelevant nonsense? I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. Why is calling someone scum without reasoning objectively scummy? I explained it eventually. Do you disagree with my read on Koshi? gobble, what do you read someone like him? | ||
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