EPTCool. Could you elaborate on the difference you perceive? Because I'm of the opinion their approaches to it are similar.
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slOosh
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Cool. Could you elaborate on the difference you perceive? Because I'm of the opinion their approaches to it are similar. | ||
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ritoky
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On September 04 2014 14:30 slOosh wrote: Cool. Could you elaborate on the difference you perceive? Because I'm of the opinion their approaches to it are similar. didn't i just say the difference in my previous post? like literally the post before this? (actually 2 i think) | ||
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slOosh
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On September 04 2014 14:37 ritoky wrote: didn't i just say the difference in my previous post? like literally the post before this? (actually 2 i think) Oh ... I guess I misunderstood. I think the setup discussion is townish, and I'm reading gobbleygook and sylencia town for their setup discussion. Not null, but town. It looks like they want to figure out what's best for town with regards to how we apply blue actions. I'm not bothered by the lack of substantive reads at this point, since the day just started. On that note, they are trying to get something in thread going instead of just sitting back and waiting. Do you read the setup talk null? If so, what about gobbleygook do you read town? | ||
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ritoky
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On September 04 2014 14:42 slOosh wrote: Oh ... I guess I misunderstood. I think the setup discussion is townish, and I'm reading gobbleygook and sylencia town for their setup discussion. Not null, but town. It looks like they want to figure out what's best for town with regards to how we apply blue actions. I'm not bothered by the lack of substantive reads at this point, since the day just started. On that note, they are trying to get something in thread going instead of just sitting back and waiting. Do you read the setup talk null? If so, what about gobbleygook do you read town? i think talking about "optimal play" and the setup is an easy thing to do as either alignment and appear to be contributing. i also don't really think it yields much alignment indicative information unless someone is quite obviously intentionally feeding a bad line of play to everyone else. something which i would like to believe almost everyone who plays on these forums would be smart enough not to do as mafia. but i have seen and done a lot of stupid stuff so i guess nothing is outside of the realm of possibility. i think syl is scummy right now because all he has talked about is setup, when challenged he got whiny and defensive, and he claimed to not have time and spent what he had in defense rather than actually trying to find scum in any way. conversely, gobble faced basically the exact same challenges and just plodded on ahead. plus i liked his vehement stance against robik's suggestion to mass claim in angel thread. if he were mafia i don't think he would come out with that strong of a sentiment against it that quickly. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 04 2014 14:50 ritoky wrote: i think talking about "optimal play" and the setup is an easy thing to do as either alignment and appear to be contributing I would disagree on this point, because if I'm having a tough time trying to figure out optimal strategy for town, then scum would have an even tougher time trying to optimize strategy for scum, and then disguise it as optimal strategy for town. Thus compared to a regular game's heuristics of setup talk = scummy, I'd wager setup talk = towny (at least until this post, now that I've said it who knows), especially since Sylencia isn't really known for his independent mafia play. Even the 30 minute gap between his first two posts looks like he was thinking about the suggestion, and potential flaws / shortcomings, and then came up with a modified suggestion. Looks quite good to me. But enough of that. Let's move on to some other reads. On September 04 2014 08:14 Koshi wrote: HaruRH, if you believe that Koshi or rayn are the most important people. and if you believe scum will kill the grail owner. why do you want to give the grail to Koshi or rayn? This feels a bit like a loaded question to me (like, there is no good way for anyone to answer it). You either give the grail to towny town (who might get shot), or kinda town (?), or scum (??). What's your take of Koshi's suspicion of HaruRH (the suspicion itself or the way he did it or whatever)? | ||
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geript
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ritoky
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On September 04 2014 15:18 slOosh wrote: I would disagree on this point, because if I'm having a tough time trying to figure out optimal strategy for town, then scum would have an even tougher time trying to optimize strategy for scum, and then disguise it as optimal strategy for town. Thus compared to a regular game's heuristics of setup talk = scummy, I'd wager setup talk = towny (at least until this post, now that I've said it who knows), especially since Sylencia isn't really known for his independent mafia play. Even the 30 minute gap between his first two posts looks like he was thinking about the suggestion, and potential flaws / shortcomings, and then came up with a modified suggestion. Looks quite good to me. But enough of that. Let's move on to some other reads. This feels a bit like a loaded question to me (like, there is no good way for anyone to answer it). You either give the grail to towny town (who might get shot), or kinda town (?), or scum (??). What's your take of Koshi's suspicion of HaruRH (the suspicion itself or the way he did it or whatever)? i don't have a particular read on harurh other than that this bolded part is weird, might be a typo...but idk how he seems so affirmed about something like that at that point in the game. On September 04 2014 07:47 HaruRH wrote: Also, We must 100% choose someone and bot leave it up to witches. The bearer of the holy grail will almost certainly die on d2 and the matyr should definitely try to save the bearer. as for koshi's suspicion of him. i think haru is someone who needs to be pushed on for more information. cuz in the games i have played with haru he has not been the most forthcoming player, so i like the intent. i agree with you that the question is loaded and full of bait, so i don't like that hence that interaction kinda ends in a null. but i am more put off by him not trying to go for the grail and deferring it to geript, than what you are concerned with. that's not in line with the last time i saw town koshi, and he is not someone i would give the grail to. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Don't claim unless i tell you to. Period. | ||
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geript
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On September 04 2014 15:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't talk about setup. You can only help scum. Don't claim unless i tell you to. Period.  You are making me sad. | ||
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ritoky
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geript, if you had no hands and thus could not hold the holy grail; who would you give it to right now? | ||
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geript
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ritoky
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On September 04 2014 15:53 geript wrote: I don't really have any solid townreads yet. It's really sad. Plus there's too many people on my too lynch list. Gun to my head Koshi; he's not as happy and fun as I usually think of him. But there's an odd towny air to him. who, other than non-posters, is on your "too lynch list"? | ||
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ritoky
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geript
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ritoky
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On September 04 2014 15:57 geript wrote: Wait I forgot about ritoky. He had a really odd and unique point somewhere that I thought was really wrong (maybe about bobbly) but I'd be surprised if ritoky were mafia. He'd be my first choice. ritoky is the guy asking you this /facepalm | ||
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geript
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On September 04 2014 15:55 ritoky wrote: who, other than non-posters, is on your "too lynch list"? Oats is like really not town oTsy to me. Ps I am the oats whisperer (sssshhhh don't tell Austin) Gobbly I'm pretty solid on. He's really thread policy which he tends to be in his scum games. Plus he's not really paranoid and aggressive and analyzing things which is what I saw in his town games. But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there. Yamato for funsies. But seriously if he doesn't try to add something useful. HaruRH I get a really weird vibe from. I haven't played with him much but I got the feels from him early on. Robik. He's done a lot of things I've seen from his mafia play. He hasn't hard called me town yet. He's been schmoozing and generally unproductive (in an unproductive way instead of in a town Robik way). Slowish I'm guessing is town. Sylencia might be too based on attitude. That's essentially where I'm at. | ||
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geript
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On September 04 2014 15:58 ritoky wrote: ritoky is the guy asking you this /facepalm Well congrats you have one person who would consider giving you the grail. Ps I still think that your thing on whoever it was is probably wrong. | ||
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geript
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On September 04 2014 14:50 ritoky wrote: i think talking about "optimal play" and the setup is an easy thing to do as either alignment and appear to be contributing. i also don't really think it yields much alignment indicative information unless someone is quite obviously intentionally feeding a bad line of play to everyone else. something which i would like to believe almost everyone who plays on these forums would be smart enough not to do as mafia. but i have seen and done a lot of stupid stuff so i guess nothing is outside of the realm of possibility. i think syl is scummy right now because all he has talked about is setup, when challenged he got whiny and defensive, and he claimed to not have time and spent what he had in defense rather than actually trying to find scum in any way. conversely, gobble faced basically the exact same challenges and just plodded on ahead. plus i liked his vehement stance against robik's suggestion to mass claim in angel thread. if he were mafia i don't think he would come out with that strong of a sentiment against it that quickly. This is what I was talking about. | ||
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ritoky
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do you think that it's wrong because we should all claim in the angel thread or do you think its wrong that i town read him for responding negatively in all caps? | ||
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geript
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