/in because I will be mafia. Again. I've been mafia EVERY GAME. And I don't expect that to change. And mafia looks fun. So. (note: will not be as active in this game as some others but I will be here)
Prefer a deadline between 4pm and 7pm EDT. But I will try to accommodate any deadline.
On August 31 2014 03:47 batsnacks wrote: I am excited to play with Damdred and kush again.
Like... Together, as scum?
No, because I will be scum as I always am.
Not scum. Streak broken.
Pre-game
On September 02 2014 02:15 Cavalinho wrote: Actually, I decided I'm going to use this account for this game.
Don't ask me why. I don't have a reason.
Why? (What's your other account?)
On September 02 2014 02:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Meh, nevermind. I'm not switching accounts 50 times just to play on the other one. This is fine.
This is it?
On September 02 2014 02:27 Cavalinho wrote: Nah, I changed my mind again. I'm using this one.
For realsies this time.
God damn it
On September 02 2014 02:45 27ninjabunnies wrote: Stahp, you just gonna confuse everyone.
Agreed
On September 02 2014 03:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Mission accomplished.
>.> Fluff/Short response
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
You were literally just here. Is there something about ninjabunny's meta that I should know about or is this random/grudge?
On September 02 2014 05:03 kitaman27 wrote: Hi Hi.
Hmm, the only thing that I can think of for a mafia "mission" is something along the lines of, player X must receive at least # votes or player Y must be convinced to vote for player Z. Or maybe identify the player with role Z. Mafia dying if they fail these seems is pretty harsh, so I think we should pay extra attention of players voting certain ways without explanation after the 24 hour mark. I'd also be less willing to believe cop checks for the sake of mafia needing to use a fake one to complete their mission, but I guess it's too early to worry about something like that.
Missions aren't important yet. Anyway, it's hard to know what they are going to be, there's nearly no description.
On September 02 2014 05:19 Tehpoofter wrote: ITS MISSION MAFIA!!!!!!
My goal: Find mafia Subgoal: Find out mafia's mission SubSubgoal (read: actual goal): Troll
On September 02 2014 06:10 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'm here, but you voted me to die.
I thought we were friends, Banks.
Damn, that vote hurts.
As for the rest of you scrubs, hi.
So here's how we are going to do it. Tehpoof has 3 chances to say wolf. When he hits number 4 I'm voting him.
You've already said it once. 3 more, and you are out buddy.
wolf wolf wolf
did you complete your mission?
##Vote:Tehpoofter
I don't have a mission, but you deserve to die
what do you think about the mission conversation me kita mderg were having?
Meh, possible, but unlikely....I mean the word part atleast.
Would you be down for EoD being artificially early by an hour? I think that the ideas are very pro town. My initial vote on you was a troll but I'm not liking your reaction.
Yeah, I vote usually before then anyway.
That's okay. You can not like me all you want
I am curious though as to why I was the first vote.
I think this will sum up why you were voted quite nicely:
The Receptive, which moves downward, stands above; the Creative, which moves upward, is below. Hence their influences meet and are in harmony, so that all living things bloom and prosper. This hexagram belongs to the first month (February-March), at which time the forces of nature prepare the new spring. THE JUDGMENT
PEACE. The small departs,
The great approaches.
Good fortune. Success.
This hexagram denotes a time in nature when heaven seems to be on earth. Heaven has placed itself beneath the earth, and so their powers unite in deep harmony. Then peace and blessing descend upon all living things.
In the world of man it is a time of social harmony; those in high places show favor to the lowly, and the lowly and inferior is an end to all feuds.
In side, at the center, in the key position, is the light principle; the dark principle is outside. Thus the light has a powerful influence, while the dark is submissive. In this way each receives its due. When the good elements of society occupy a central position and are in control, the evil elements come under their influence and change for the better. When the spirit of heaven rules in man, his animal nature also comes under its influence and takes its appropriate place.
The individual lines enter the hexagram from below and leave it again at the top. Here the small, weak, and evil elements are about to take their departure, while the great, strong, and good elements are moving up. This brings good fortune and success. THE IMAGE
Heaven and earth unite: the image of PEACE.
Thus the ruler
Divides and completes the course of heaven and earth,
And so aids the people.
Heaven and earth are in contact and combine their influences, producing a time of universal flowering and prosperity. This stream of energy must be regulated by the ruler of men. It is done by a process of division. Thus men divide the uniform flow of time into the seasons, according to the succession of natural phenomena, and mark off infinite space by the points of the compass. In this way nature in its overwhelming profusion of phenomena is bounded and controlled. One the other hand, nature must be furthered in her productiveness. This is done by adjusting the products to the right time and the right place, which increases the natural yield. This controlling and furthering activity of man in his relation to nature is the work on nature that rewards him. THE LINES
Nine at the beginning means:
When ribbon grass is pulled up, the sod comes with it.
Each according to his kind.
Undertakings bring good fortune.
In times of prosperity every able man called to fill an office draws like minded people along with him, just as in pulling up ribbon grass one always pulls up a bunch of it, because the stalks are connected by their roots. In such times, when it is possible to extend influence widely, the mind of an able man is set upon going out into life and accomplishing something.
Nine in the second place means:
Bearing with the uncultured in gentleness,
Fording the river with resolution,
Not neglecting what is distant,
Not regarding one's companions:
Thus one may manage to walk in the middle.
In times of prosperity it is important and above all to possess enough greatness of soul to bear with imperfect people. For in the hands of a great master no material is unproductive; he can find use for everything. But this generosity is by no means laxity or weakness. It is during times of prosperity especially that we must always be ready to risk even dangerous undertakings, such as the crossing of a river, if they are necessary. So too we must not neglect what is distant but must attend scrupulously to everything. Factionalism and the dominance of cliques are especially to be avoided. Even if people of like mind come forward together, they ought not to form a faction by holding together for mutual advantage; instead, each man should do is duty. Theses are four ways in which one can overcome the hidden danger of a gradual slackening that always lurks in any time of peace. And that is how one finds the middle way for action.
Six in the fifth place means:
The sovereign
Gives his daughter in marriage.
And supreme good fortune.
The sovereign I is T'ang the Completer. By his decree the imperial princesses, although higher in rank than their husbands, had to obey them like all other wives. Here too we are shown a truly modest union of high and low that brings happiness and blessings.
On September 02 2014 05:03 kitaman27 wrote: Hi Hi.
Hmm, the only thing that I can think of for a mafia "mission" is something along the lines of, player X must receive at least # votes or player Y must be convinced to vote for player Z. Or maybe identify the player with role Z. Mafia dying if they fail these seems is pretty harsh, so I think we should pay extra attention of players voting certain ways without explanation after the 24 hour mark. I'd also be less willing to believe cop checks for the sake of mafia needing to use a fake one to complete their mission, but I guess it's too early to worry about something like that.
I think it's too early to really worry about the missions as we have absolutely no idea what those missions look like. Thinking too much about the missions may just lead to focusing on unimportant details without getting good reads.
IMO proper reads > catching people on missions
This is a good post. We are playing mafia, and since this game is mostly normal we should proceed as (mostly) normal. If a mission becomes apparent we can focus on it, but I don't want to see a wild goose chase over something that could just be a coincidence.
On September 02 2014 05:03 kitaman27 wrote: Hi Hi.
Hmm, the only thing that I can think of for a mafia "mission" is something along the lines of, player X must receive at least # votes or player Y must be convinced to vote for player Z. Or maybe identify the player with role Z. Mafia dying if they fail these seems is pretty harsh, so I think we should pay extra attention of players voting certain ways without explanation after the 24 hour mark. I'd also be less willing to believe cop checks for the sake of mafia needing to use a fake one to complete their mission, but I guess it's too early to worry about something like that.
requiring a fake claim does seem a bit harsh. Voting patterns could be key here. Maybe it could have to do with post counts or accusations/list.
This is going to be so fun.
Kita if you tell me your mission I won't vote you out first.
This post doesn't actually say anything new. It echoes certain parts of the post you quoted while trying to be friendly/funny with the "hey tell me your mission lol" aspect of it.
On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote: IMO proper reads > catching people on missions
True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system.
For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission.
Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something.
And if this is the case we can't actually do anything about it, besides trying to not copy other people's words/phrases. Personally I'm bad with abbreviations so I won't be using them unless it describes the situation perfectly/is obvious. In response to the bolded part, no. It takes away from potentially valuable EOD information and is unlikely to work.
On September 02 2014 07:42 Damdred wrote: Hi guys, just got home a few ago and caught up.
I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the EoD. Though I do not think that we need to drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out exactly what the mission is. We need to develop our reads and reasoning behind having the people up for lynch and every night cycle or day cycle look into how people are voting and see if there are any trends that people take together.
Also just curious when you say cut the day short by an hour and just move all votes to the person who has the majority, doesn't that make our options kind of small and cause a tunnel on that person. If we go that way there really isn't much in the way of vote analysis to go with its just everyone pushed their votes on that one person and we can't see voting patterns for that time period when its important I guess is what i'm saying. That part worries me a bit.
While it's a good idea, in theory, to look for a mission by the mafia, the truth is we have no freaking idea what the mission might be. I'm not going to chase after the mist in the distance. And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway.
Reads
We are like 2.5 hours into the game so none of my reads are definitive at all. My spectrum goes from Mafia --> Red --> Pink --> White (null) <-- Turquoise <-- Green <-- Town Reds: None
Pinks: Tehpoofter (focusing too much on avoiding missions) ObiWanShinobi (disappeared at beginning of the day after potentially controversial vote) 27ninjabunnies (huge over-reaction to early pressure)
Whites: kitaman27 (Need to hear reasoning behind made posts, which are odd IMO) Everyone not mentioned
Turquoise: mderg Damdred (these two are by virtue of being pretty much the only other people to post. They both made reasonable posts)
Greens: None
And… I already fell into the trap of overanalyzing in the first few hours. >.>
On September 02 2014 08:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, I'd really like to point out that this isn't the game to be posting stupid gifs/random useless shit. I actually really want to kill batsnacks for posting his wall because I really can't see any kind of town/goofy reason for him to put it up there unless the host made him.
No way host made him post that, it's way too obvious + really quick to be anything mission-related. Not sure what it is actually :\ Agreed with the no stupid/offtopic stuff.
On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far.
I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct.
So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.
I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.
On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote: IMO proper reads > catching people on missions
True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system.
For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission.
Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something.
Yeah this could be a good idea. Potentially although activity at the 2 hours ish before is paramount! So we would all need to figure out if we can be here for this.
I'm going to stick away from saying any buzz words. I think maybe we could do something like referring to each other as "Villagers" and "wolves" instead of "Town and mafia" might potentially break a mission where maybe they have to be called town by a certain number of people or something.
fuck off
On September 02 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote: let's refer to tehpoofter as fucktard. that way we break any mission where scum has to say tehpoofter a certain number of times.
On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far.
I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct.
So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.
I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.
Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral.
Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night.
I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post)
On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far.
I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct.
So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.
I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.
Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral.
Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night.
I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post)
I can see that a little bit. What did you think of bunnies reaction to my initially troll voting her?
As I said in my long post of length (hereby referred to as LPOL) earlier, I found bunny's reaction over-the-top, which seemed odd.
On September 02 2014 11:17 kushm4sta wrote: vivax there is no congruence. 3d is fine templar is not super scummy kita "pushing stuff under the rug"... okkkk nice conspiracy theory
batsnacks needs some plynching.
That's not the reason I even found kita suspicious initially. Me pushing that notion comes from the fact that I found him suspicious just for his entrance, so what you mention is a consequence and not a cause.
Also found kita suspicious for a different reason.
On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote: IMO proper reads > catching people on missions
True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system.
For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission.
Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something.
I found this post suspicious personally, as it involves a convoluted process for something that is both very traceable and probably unnecessary to prevent (it could be the other way around, get X players to vote the same person), and he didn't justify this post either, instead pushing my post (which questioned his post, if anyone bothered to read it). This is the only related post he has made since then:
On September 02 2014 08:54 Damdred wrote: If I may draw your attention to Guilty mafia that just completed, we swung the vote in the last 30 seconds almost to lynch mafia day one. If we get stuck to much in the mindset that we have to find the mission and break it, or piling on votes to one wagon (which i think is what was discussed) is a good idea. It really is not today, or any day. We really need at least two wagons going just so we have another option and we can see peoples voting patterns take form after day1,2,3 etc..
Well that idea would be that the day cycle would be like any other game, except 47 hours instead of 48 hours. You still would have 2 wagons and voting analysis could still be done since the player with the most votes after 47 hours would be lynched. The only difference would be that everyone moves to that player in the last hour. On second thought, people aren't really reliable enough to be around and now that the day is a few hours old, its not really worth discussing policy like that which isn't incredibly important so I say we should probably just drop the idea.
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either.
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
We're not all necessarily here an hour before or even at EOD (although I will be every time, sometimes only half an hour before though). So this process seems very messy, and I don't like it at all. Therefore, I would like some justification on why this is actually necessary.
On September 02 2014 11:31 kitaman27 wrote: @Templar, if you read my earlier post I did say to drop it for that exact reason. I don't feel that setup speculation is worth talking about anymore. It was fine at the start to get input from guys like Damdred who had a fairly town reaction, but that was mostly a conversation starter.
Blech, I even quoted it and stated your exact opinion -.- That's what I get for not reading. You changed your opinion damn fast though.
On September 02 2014 11:43 Vivax wrote: Btw Templar you didn't comment on kita's posts in a way explaining what you found scummy about them, you only disagreed with his suggestions and only now called it suspicious for you.
Why was kita just white and not pink if you didn't just disagree previously, instead found him suspicious according to your recent opinion?
When I made my post he was white because he had not yet justified his questionable post. I misread his followup and thought he seemed suspicious (a mistake on my part), but he actually immediately redacted his idea. That is not suspicious to me any more.
On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"?
meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again.
However, I don't like this post because he seems to think that it was clearly bad for me to summarize my thoughts and post them, and that he was taking charge to make sure I didn't do it again when this is actually how I play this game normally. Post referred to was:
It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more.
It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned.
Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack?
So, if I repeatedly summarize my thoughts on how the thread has developed, I must be scum. Got it.
EBWOP: "When I made my post he was white because he had not yet justified his questionable post. I misread his followup and thought he seemed suspicious (a mistake on my part), but he actually immediately redacted his idea. That is not suspicious to me any more." --> "When I made my post he was white because he had not yet justified his questionable post. I misread his followup and thought he seemed suspicious (a mistake on my part), but he actually immediately redacted his idea. That is not suspicious to me any more. However, I will be keeping an eye on how he approaches the mission aspect of this game."
On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"?
meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again.
On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"?
meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again.
You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it.
Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down.
Looking at these two posts a second time remind me that kita has been sort of switching back and forth over whether something is ideal/relevant. Making a note to keep track of this.
On September 02 2014 12:20 Vivax wrote: It's a bunch of
K:"there's this but let's wait and see" TT: "K discussing this but white" TT." tis actually scummy" TT: "Oh wait I misread I take it back, but this maybe is scummy"
et cetera
I'm going to bed now, but I will try to take a closer look at other players tomorrow instead of focusing primarily on kita. There already seems to be very strange stuff about to happen.
On September 02 2014 12:22 Vivax wrote: And I don't see how the post is odd just cause it already has discussed. It's my job to direct the attention to things I find worthy of attention even after the focus has slipped to another location.
And it was odd because you said "Let's change the discussion to ___" when we were recently discussing it
On September 02 2014 17:58 Oatsmaster wrote: actually everyone giving a read on bats is scummy.
namely obi, kush kita, among others which is cant remember.
Kush says bats is scum for 0 content when barely anyone posted.
Yeah and I don't think that bats must be scum for being randomly off topic. If you were red, would you really post that for no benefit? More likely is that he's reaction testing and voted me either because I responded "…wat" to his post or because I found ObiWanShinobi's tendency to stir stuff up and lurk fishy. Could still be red or green though since that post is actually complete nonsense.
On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote: Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements?
repeatedly.
Cough* Bullshit *Cough
Also, Tehpoof couldn't handle this hotness.
That being said, yes, you are looking too much into. Apparently troll reaction means you are scum. Don't know why. Could honestly care less if you voted for me.
So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at?
On September 02 2014 22:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Actually, I hate Templar's post where he calls like 4 people scummy. I really don't like the fact that he's lying about what I'm doing either.
I am at a school computer and have about 30 minutes before I have to go to my next class. After that, I probably won't be available except maybe a few minutes between 6 and 6:30pm until 8:30pm EDT
On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote: Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements?
repeatedly.
Cough* Bullshit *Cough
Also, Tehpoof couldn't handle this hotness.
That being said, yes, you are looking too much into. Apparently troll reaction means you are scum. Don't know why. Could honestly care less if you voted for me.
So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at?
@ Batsnacks terrible post Inb4 there are third party roles, BS is fool, and therefore trying to get himself lynched.
@3d12's post How is posting random useless things, random voting someone, town? He posted a useless post, random voted Templar, and then disappeared. Not townie at all, but see above post. I say if we have a vigi, shoot him. JS
@Micchan's post Lurkfest incoming
@Kita's post So In a way, I think the idea of having all votes in an hour early isn't such a bad idea (unless that is mafia's mission). My thing is, why focus on missions when we need to find mafia? I think it's going to cause a lot of tension and bad reads to focus on squashing missions rather than lynching off the mafia. Idk
I also don't see how Templar's post was low quality?
@Templar, so why are these posts the most interesting to you?
Batsnacks grabs everyone's attention by making us collectively say "wtf". Immediately votes the first reaction that's not specifically asking about the post to the post. This could theoretically, but unlikely, be seen as a townie move but it's very shallow.
3d12 is a newbie to this game so it's normal (read: null read) to agree with people and to come up with reasons why a more seasoned player could be doing something silly/very odd. Unless Batsnacks' account was hacked there has to be a reason why he posted that so the normal initial reaction is to figure out why.
Micchan is obviously watching if he has posted that the thread has become a mess. Since he is watching, we need him to offer his insight if possible, to see where he is. Micchan, since you're reading this, start posting dammit. Nobody is going to get away with lurking this game if we can help it.
Kita's idea had two main problems with it. 1. Not everyone will be here at EOD (and mafia could screw with us by pretending to be AFK) so it will be more of a mess than normal. 2. He immediately rescinded the idea when someone questioned it. I don't like how indecisive that is. While I don't mind his policies so far he doesn't seem to be sticking with anything.
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more.
It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned.
Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack?
I don't like these sort of questions because they can be used as a two-way tool depending on the answer.
On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"?
meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again.
You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it.
Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down.
Well I found 3d12 and batsnacks more scummy and mentioned that in the exact same post. Templar was kinda scummy, but not a huge deal to me if it was a one time thing, as I stated.
In reference to this last post and the one in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler +
On September 02 2014 08:54 Damdred wrote: If I may draw your attention to Guilty mafia that just completed, we swung the vote in the last 30 seconds almost to lynch mafia day one. If we get stuck to much in the mindset that we have to find the mission and break it, or piling on votes to one wagon (which i think is what was discussed) is a good idea. It really is not today, or any day. We really need at least two wagons going just so we have another option and we can see peoples voting patterns take form after day1,2,3 etc..
Well that idea would be that the day cycle would be like any other game, except 47 hours instead of 48 hours. You still would have 2 wagons and voting analysis could still be done since the player with the most votes after 47 hours would be lynched. The only difference would be that everyone moves to that player in the last hour. On second thought, people aren't really reliable enough to be around and now that the day is a few hours old, its not really worth discussing policy like that which isn't incredibly important so I say we should probably just drop the idea.
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either.
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
There is a bit of inconsistency if I am reading this correctly as there is no mention of 3d12 and batsnacks in that post. However, these thoughts were expressed earlier.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Another (more so) two-way post. He hasn't said a word about poofter so far, particularly.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
Did you intend to respond to your own post? So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.[/QUOTE]
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.
On September 03 2014 02:17 The_Templar wrote: Another (more so) two-way post. He hasn't said a word about poofter so far, particularly.
The reason I asked that was because 3d gave bat a town read for his "provocative" random vote so I brought up the two other players who did the same thing, wondering if he would use the same reasoning, which doesn't seem to be the case. I don't see how you find me suspicious for trying to figure things like that out.
Hm. There are some parallels but batsnack's vote might have been planned while Obi's obviously wasn't and Tehpoofter said he was intending to troll this game which is why he sheeped. 3d12 managed to come up with a reason to sheep before he read batsnacks as green.
Thanks for clarifying your ideas. I have to go to class now and I will not be back for about 7 hours.
On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote: Ok here whatever Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn...
I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this.
3d12:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.
From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.
I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit).
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large.
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd).
He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense?
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?
As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum.
On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)
Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg?
I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours)
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.
EBWOP
If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?
What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.
If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...
On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote: I thought a bit about how to deal with missions. And I came to the conclusion that we should ignore them completely. We have no idea what those missions are, so it's difficult to make them fail.Our time is probably much better spent thinking about the players.
Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus? I also don't like how a provocative opening instantly makes him townread people.
I keep subconsciously giving him newbie bonuses >.> On missions: I think we should be on the lookout for patterns in people's posting anyway (easier to read them anyway) but we shouldn't focus too much on missions yet. We'll see if they end up being important.
On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote: I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this.
3d12:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.
From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.
I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit).
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large.
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd).
He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post.
On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense?
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?
As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think.
On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum.
On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)
Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg?
I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours)
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read.
On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.
EBWOP
If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.
On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?
What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.
If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...
I don't like this post. A huge post about 3d12 but it doesn't actually say much. Why even take the time to go through this amount of posts, if you don't have a real conclusion or anything?
that is not a huge post. That is a small post by my standards. To answer your question, my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much.
On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote: I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this.
3d12:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.
From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.
I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit).
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large.
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd).
He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post.
On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense?
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?
As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think.
On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum.
On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)
Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg?
I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours)
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read.
On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.
EBWOP
If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.
On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?
What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.
If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...
I don't like this post. A huge post about 3d12 but it doesn't actually say much. Why even take the time to go through this amount of posts, if you don't have a real conclusion or anything?
that is not a huge post. That is a small post by my standards. To answer your question, my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much.
If he wasn't a newbie what color would he be?
probably still slightly green since there's nothing particularly wrong with his posts other than what I put in my post.
On September 03 2014 09:34 kitaman27 wrote: Hmm, still at weak town read.
For that post you pointed out, he points out all the things he disagrees with and it was followed by "my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much." This is an interesting read since it attempts to distinguish between the validity of his ideas and the motivations behind his posts. As mafia, I think it's really easy to point out all the bad thoughts and come to a scum conclusion as a result.
He could probably do well for himself by throwing some spoilers around the quotes, but there are enough spots where he responds to posts unprompted that don't give me the detached feeling that I was referring to earlier, that always makes me suspicious of Foolishness.
When I was reading on Newbie LVI, I did pick up on his habit to give thread updates to his availability, but it's tough to say how significant that is without a town example. I'm a terrible player for using the "he can't possibly roll scum 4 times in a row" argument, but that doesn't stop me from doing so
I'd rather look elsewhere at the moment.
I got VT 12 times on a row in live mafia. Got to the point everyone assumed I was town every game. So don't assume it >.>
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more.
It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned.
On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote: I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this.
3d12:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.
From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.
I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit).
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large.
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd).
He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post.
On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense?
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?
As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think.
On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum.
On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)
Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg?
I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours)
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read.
On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.
EBWOP
If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.
On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?
What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.
If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...
This for me falls into the category of a post that should have caught your attention and forged your opinion on him into a red way.
You are surprisingly wrong here. My post that kita didn't like was basically a short response to all of the posts in the thread. That post you quoted was my thoughts on one person's posting throughout the entire game.
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Your read on Micchan: I don't like the post you linked to. These are all valid points but he's not making a difference at all since he's lurked a lot and I want to see how he develops over the next ~12 hours before voting him. There's not a rush to figure things out here yet.
Your read on me: I want clarification on that bolded part. In response to me coming out of the gates firing as scum: have you ever seen me play town? (hint: it's never happened before this game) Can you really determine my town/scum meta when compared to the other considering there's no evidence of the former?
On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote: IMO proper reads > catching people on missions
True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system.
For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission.
Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something.
Or we might be able to trigger a success on a vote related mission.
That's in response to an old, irrelevant post. I guess you should have started playing sooner.
On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote: Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus?
how so
These give off that feeling to me. I may be thinking too much into it, though.
On September 02 2014 08:44 3d12 wrote: Forgive me if this seems like kind of a newbie question, but after catching up on the thread, the main thing that sticks out to me is the discussion about the voting. I'm not sure this is a good way to flush out scum. Personally, I'm with Damdred on the opinion that cutting the vote off early will cause tunneling on whoever has the majority at that point, so could someone enlighten me further on why this strategy would help?
On September 02 2014 09:09 3d12 wrote: Edit-post to fix quote formatting:
On September 02 2014 08:08 The_Templar wrote: And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway.
I didn't quote the post directly. Sorry.
On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote: You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?
I think thats a stretch I don't think I'd give him townie points for any of these posts as even as a noob you could say them from either alignment. I think its is townie of you to point it out like it seems as if you're looking for scum.
Would you agree that 3d12's posts carry an apologetic tone? If yes, why do you think he is posting this way?
I do think that he is apologetic in nature on his posts. His entrance landed him in the scummy side for me because of the way it agreed with someone who already posted about something I thought was scummy. If hes scum its to try to scoot out of a lynch. He could be town trying to figure things out. He stays as scum for now to me thought.
What about you?
I agree that his tone sounds apologetic but I do not think in his case that this is alignment indicative. Reading his filter, I noticed he has been posting like this since before the game even began. Here are some posts before the game started:
I've never played, so if you're alright with a newbie joining in, then please do sign me up. I've read a few of the guides already though, and it seems like an interesting format. Seems like the type of game that might even be more fun in IRC format.
On August 30 2014 05:50 3d12 wrote: Sorry for the double-post, but I just wanted to double-check. (And bear with me, this is only the first of what will likely be a deluge of dumb newbie questions)
Is the deadline of 12:30pm PDT the deadline for confirmation, or the deadline to post each day?
Then this is his first post as of the game starting:
On September 02 2014 08:44 3d12 wrote: Forgive me if this seems like kind of a newbie question, but after catching up on the thread, the main thing that sticks out to me is the discussion about the voting. I'm not sure this is a good way to flush out scum. Personally, I'm with Damdred on the opinion that cutting the vote off early will cause tunneling on whoever has the majority at that point, so could someone enlighten me further on why this strategy would help?
An apologetic tone would usually raise alarm bells for me. Townies are inherently innocent and shouldn't be afraid of saying the wrong thing or accidentally saying too much; they have no reason to apologize. If townies are afraid of speaking their mind that might be an indicator of a poor thread environment. However, since 3d12 has been posting like this since before the game began I believe he's just nervous about playing in general. People have been going after him since his first post so there hasn't even been an opportunity for him to calm down yet. Overall I do not think 3d12's apologies are scummy.
On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote: I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this.
3d12:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.
From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.
I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit).
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large.
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd).
He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post.
On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense?
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?
As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think.
On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum.
On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)
Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg?
I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours)
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read.
On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.
EBWOP
If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.
On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?
What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.
If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...
I don't like this post. A huge post about 3d12 but it doesn't actually say much. Why even take the time to go through this amount of posts, if you don't have a real conclusion or anything?
that is not a huge post. That is a small post by my standards. To answer your question, my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much.
If he wasn't a newbie what color would he be?
probably still slightly green since there's nothing particularly wrong with his posts other than what I put in my post.
I think its scummy that you're saying you're giving him newbie passes and still would lean slightly green on him (the same read) if he wasn't a newbie. Wouldn't your newbie passes inherently make his towniness increase? I think you might be throwing the newbie pass out there as an excuse for him like soft defending and then giving him a town read. Please explain why the rating doesn't change.
That is not what I said. I said that I've been subconsciously giving him points for a newbie. I have been realizing my mistake before I post though and re-evaluate my opinions on him, remembering not to give him points for being a noob
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd.
It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread.
Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now?
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Your read on Micchan: I don't like the post you linked to. These are all valid points but he's not making a difference at all since he's lurked a lot and I want to see how he develops over the next ~12 hours before voting him. There's not a rush to figure things out here yet.
Your read on me: I want clarification on that bolded part. In response to me coming out of the gates firing as scum: have you ever seen me play town? (hint: it's never happened before this game) Can you really determine my town/scum meta when compared to the other considering there's no evidence of the former?
So hes not making a difference at all? Interesting you find that a townie quality?
Lol you wish that I thought that. Read my post again. I clearly state I want to see content out of him before I decide on him.
I think that the way you talked about 3d12 was really awkward. The tone of it sounded like you didn't truly believe what you were saying. Like the read was superficial to me I can't really express what I'm saying well but it didn't feel like you were all there or behind the read.
As for your play if you have only played scum and I see similar tendencies to your previous games where you were scum before. I will concede that it may just be since I've only seen you as scum seeing your town game might have some parts of it that appear as your scum game but you must understand from my pov I have no clue if you're town or mafia so if I see red flags from a scum game I've seen I most certainly will call that out.
I was a bit scattered when I read 3d12. I was definitely not expecting to be asked about him as I didn't really consider him too much before rushing out a read (I had to go to class soon).
Fair point about my similar play. Feel free to point out similarities between me right now and a previous mafia member all you want. Try not to judge too much because you really don't know how constant (or spontaneous) my play is between mafia and town, no matter what you think.
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd.
It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread.
Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now?
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd.
It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread.
Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now?
But you didn't disagree with me. You found some of my behaviour odd and disagreed with Poofter about me being town.
Why act so mad now?
I never said I found your behavior odd. I said you could be red even though you had the same opinions as him, and that I didn't really see a townie mindset from you. I suppose you interpreted the mindset part as accusing you of red but that wasn't my intention. While I happened to have a pink read on you, I did not accuse you of scum, it's just you didn't act terribly pro-town.
On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset.
Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!
The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game.
To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd.
It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread.
Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now?
But you didn't disagree with me. You found some of my behaviour odd and disagreed with Poofter about me being town.
Why act so mad now?
I never said I found your behavior odd. I said you could be red even though you had the same opinions as him, and that I didn't really see a townie mindset from you. I suppose you interpreted the mindset part as accusing you of red but that wasn't my intention. While I happened to have a pink read on you, I did not accuse you of scum, it's just you didn't act terribly pro-town.
So am I red for lacking the townieness poofter thought to have seen or cause you saw something scummy you didn't mention yet.
You're not any more towny than most of the people in the game as far as I can tell. Going to bed.
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some mored.
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more.
It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned.
Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack?
3d12 for his awkward entrance so far.
I would like to discuss Templars post more though. Let's say you need to appear like contributing, that post is one thing I would see scum starting with. They go through the thread commenting on various issues (instead of just thinking them through and getting straight to the point of what they find scummy without having to list a load of posts), when they're done, they look at what they commented on and base their entire read narrative off it.
That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote: That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"?
meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again.
You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it.
Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down.
On September 03 2014 08:57 Vivax wrote: You done goofed kita Read templar again
Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more.
It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned.
On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote: I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this.
3d12:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.
From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.
I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit).
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large.
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd).
He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post.
On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense?
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?
As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think.
On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum.
On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote: just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)
Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg?
I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours)
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read.
On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote: It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.
EBWOP
If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar.
On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:
On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it?
Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you?
What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.
If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...
This for me falls into the category of a post that should have caught your attention and forged your opinion on him into a red way.
On September 03 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote: Vivax, can we talk about mderg for a minute together.
What do you think of him rejoining the thread, saying that we should ignore all missions, and then just talking about 3d the whole time he was in the thread?
What about it? He mentioned what he found worthy of mention and that in a blunt, not convoluted way, so overall I don't see anything scummy about mderg.
He also made an observation about templar's longish post which was legit, cause imo that's how scum would post. Like, they don't know what to talk about, so templar goes for post by post analysis with a short commentary to each and then quickly bases all his reads off of what he analysed.
It just seems so...stretched. You usually see something and think "oh that doesn't look good for bsbsbs" and then mention it to the thread. I don't know templar well but that method of scumhunting doesn't seem genuine to me cause it reads like he had trouble thinking of something to talk about so he would just talk about...a lot of different things and then make his scumhunting alibi out of it.
The bolded part isn't correct because my general meta is to make one of these posts at the beginning of every game. It's really obvious that he wants Kita to read me as red, and he has been reading me as red at the same time. When kita doesn't read me as red, Vivax concludes that we are red buddies.
On September 02 2014 11:56 Vivax wrote: Anyway Templar and kita current suspects and templar not reading kita closely reinforces my notion. 3d12 gets newbie bonus for awkward entrance.
On September 02 2014 12:03 Vivax wrote: Poofter I'm currently townreading you but I still would like to know how buddying people is a valid heuristic for people being scum.
In my opinion it's just a buzzword related to a bad heuristic and I would appreciate if you didn't scumread people off so lazy reasons. There is literally no logic behind buddying=scum, if you could even call what I did like that, which is comparing my reads with people whose town play I value.
On September 02 2014 12:13 Vivax wrote: Ok I didn't know what Poofter meant until I googled it.
We should change topics. So basically I have this feeling that kita and templar are scummies.
(look at the time stamps between this last one and the two before it. He said he suspected us literally 17 minutes before he "changed the subject" back to this 'feeling' that we are red)
On September 02 2014 12:18 Vivax wrote: I generally have the feeling that you two have a hard time giving opinions about each other in the thread.
On September 02 2014 12:20 Vivax wrote: It's a bunch of
K:"there's this but let's wait and see" TT: "K discussing this but white" TT." tis actually scummy" TT: "Oh wait I misread I take it back, but this maybe is scummy"
et cetera
On September 03 2014 06:40 Vivax wrote: 3d12 sounds a lot like obviousone. I also don't think he's scum.
Scum is among this bunch imo:
- Templar - Kush - Kita - 27nb - micchan
Basically he keeps trying to make subtle jabs at both of us for not knowing how to read each other (I pretty obviously misread that post, and I did have a pink lead on kita at the time) and concludes that this means we must be red buddies, even though he said there's no valid reasoning for this already, and even though I was trying to find reasons to read Kita as red (which vivax pointed out) instead of backing off and ignoring him at the time. By the way, I gave a white on him at the beginning of the game, not after 12+ hours had gone by, after he had made one questionable post and not justified it.
On September 02 2014 12:27 Vivax wrote: I have no issues with Damdred at this point poofter.
Not sure what to make of micchan cause he seems experienced with mafia based on his post but apparently hes no smurf, he posted outside of the mafia subforum which usually isnt allowed for smurfs but reaaaaally not sure.
If I had to guess at a smurf id have guessed at palmar for using a hashtag and being lurky.
There's way not enough for me to scumread him off that however.
This post doesn't really say anything. It's also roughly your second content post that isn't related to me/kita, and it's on the second page of your filter.
On September 02 2014 12:22 Vivax wrote: And I don't see how the post is odd just cause it already has discussed. It's my job to direct the attention to things I find worthy of attention even after the focus has slipped to another location.
lol, so apparently, you are solely in charge of making sure that we discuss exactly what you want us to discuss. Everything else is 'slipping to another [unspecified but probably something you don't like] location'.
On September 03 2014 07:48 Vivax wrote: So bats, do you think in terms of who is easy to lynch or in terms of who is town or not.
You imply somebody, in this case poofter, is scummy for going after easy targets which is nonsense.
You have a bunch of people playing the game, some play the game with more effort than others. When those playing with effort scumread those who play with less effort then yes, the target is easy but the motivation behind it is largely understandable. The hardest part of playing scum is putting effort you don't actually have to put into the game cause there's nothing for you to solve.
So explain to me what the hell you're trying to achieve with this stuff on tp.
1. Poofter has more posts than any two people in this thread combined. 2. Poofter is only going after easy targets. 3. Vivax just accused ObiWan of being lazy. 4. Vivax dismisses Poofter being "lazy" despite doing the same thing.
On September 03 2014 12:54 Vivax wrote: Yeah he's [batsnacks is] not interesting to me
On September 03 2014 13:01 Vivax wrote: Maybe bats is worth a closer look, since he didn't explain his first post as far as I see.
On September 03 2014 13:02 Vivax wrote: Then there's something about apologetic tone being a scum tell and his second post being a vote on Templar.
Later he says he has no scumreads.
Look at the time stamps. 8 minutes after Vivax says batsnacks isn't interesting, he says he are several red things about him. Very interesting that you find a read on him ONE MINUTE after you say "maybe there could be something interesting about this guy that I just said wasn't interesting"?
Conclusion: Vivax is trying way too hard to make kita/me look like red buddies and also conveniently dismissing batsnacks being lazy until he "finds" "something interesting" about him. Also takes Poofter and ObiWan, similar cases, and treats them differently.
1. Poofter has more posts than any two people in this thread combined. 2. Poofter is only going after easy targets. 3. Vivax just accused ObiWan of being lazy. 4. Vivax dismisses Poofter being "lazy" despite doing the same thing.
Vivax is saying that its not scummy for going after easy targets.
the other stuff is just totally extrapolating from very little evidence.
Bad bad case.
Vivax accused ObiWan of being lazy because he went after an easy target.
On September 02 2014 12:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't think anything about her. She hasn't done anything yet to warrant my attention.
Honestly, there's not really a whole lot that stands out to me right now. A lot of people are pushing/talking about convoluted shit that I don't really care about.
I'm really not going to get batsnacks' shitpost out of my head for a while and I'd rather just kill him and be done with it.
You're the bbygirl doofus.
Also you're a lazy bum if that's your final decision.
This is in response to "I'd rather just kill him [batsnacks] and be done with it"
On September 03 2014 22:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'll leave you with this to stir over.
Mafia 3d12 Oats Bat (I'm also still sticking with possible 3p here. Cause why the fuck not) Vivax Micchan (play the game dude, or get lynched)
Towniest Town that Ever Towned Poofter Templar
Sorta Town Kita Damdred
Everyone else- Unknown/not important/ don't really care about.
Could you talk more about Oats, I looked through your filter and I think this is your first mention of him. Why are you putting him in scum pile at this point? Also What are you making of obi at this point
I read this post and looked through his filter. Not seeing any oats in there either.
On September 03 2014 23:58 27ninjabunnies wrote: @Damdred- I havent really liked anything he has said so far. I can go into more detail of this in about an hour or so. Yes, I haven't mentioned anything about Oats so far, but that's because I didn't have anything to go on, until I read and caught up today.
@Templar- I'm a she.
hey you've been posting since I started, thats total bullshit.
What does me posting have to do with my read on you? You aren't very memorable. So don't "that's bullshit" me mister.
Also, why the hell are you getting so defensive at me calling you mafia?
He's not memorable but you are leaning scarlet on him?
On September 04 2014 02:54 kushm4sta wrote: oh i care it's just im busy. summer kush is dead.
Then why are you playjng
as you will find out, I have no problem playing low activity games. I enjoy playing mafia even if I don't have the time to play it to the best of my abilities. People get mad it me but they can smd
I don't enjoy playing mafia. I don't even know why I am in this game
On September 04 2014 03:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: OKAY! And I'm back
Reasons why BS and his posts are actually BS and mean he is scum (and I'm going in order of posts he has/commenting a bit on each one)
1. Batsnack posts a useless post that (prob) has nothing to do with the game. 2. Randomly votes Templar, and has no reason as to why. 3. His 3d12 is apologetic and means he is scum is super super weird. 4. Takes his vote off of templar because of voting thread? What? Still makes no sense, and hasnt explained why templar is scum. 5. What?
On September 03 2014 21:13 batsnacks wrote: If I'm gambling, I bet kitaman is mafia and his mission is that he has to vote with the majority.
##vote: kitaman27
6. His last post is probably the most substantial and insightful of the game. but this is several posts after the above vote on Kita. It's him explaining why kita is mafia- because kita thinks we should all vote an hour before the end of day and has said it twice.
tldr. Batsnacks pulling stuff outta of his ass. Lynch for today
Actually, I think Batsnacks' last post is pretty bad too, considering Kita pretty much said "nah, this is a bad idea, let's drop it." Only good point in that post is that Kita seems to want to blend in.
On September 04 2014 03:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 3d isn't voting either so fuck him he isn't important. Probably another modkill/lazy newbie so who cares.
Can be convinced to vote batsnacks again. I don't like how he made his large post and basically just fucked off once the pressure was off. No interest in answering people's questions, and he's playing almost the exact same way he did in Storm.
Seriously, if you guys haven't, go check batsnacks' filter from that game. His page 1 there is almost a play-by-play of his filter in this game and that really worries me.
I don't think 3d is lazy. HEY 3d, you have to vote, it's specified in the OP.
On September 04 2014 03:53 kushm4sta wrote: obi what are the similarities? im not really seeing them.
Lots of emphasis on the intangibles of people's posts, IE tone and stuff you can't really be called out for. He puts a lot of emphasis on word choice and generally never pressures his scumreads. Kind of exactly like he's playing now.
Also, 3d's last post is awful. Six scumreads, holy shit.
This is the opposite of my first game of mafia, I think I town-read nearly everyone there?
On September 04 2014 03:53 kushm4sta wrote: obi what are the similarities? im not really seeing them.
Lots of emphasis on the intangibles of people's posts, IE tone and stuff you can't really be called out for. He puts a lot of emphasis on word choice and generally never pressures his scumreads. Kind of exactly like he's playing now.
Also, 3d's last post is awful. Six scumreads, holy shit.
This is the opposite of my first game of mafia, I think I town-read nearly everyone there?
ebwop: Also, his two town reads are also extremely shaky while he gives multiple reasons on why everyone is mafia.
On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote: Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements?
repeatedly.
Cough* Bullshit *Cough
Also, Tehpoof couldn't handle this hotness.
That being said, yes, you are looking too much into. Apparently troll reaction means you are scum. Don't know why. Could honestly care less if you voted for me.
So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at?
@ Batsnacks terrible post Inb4 there are third party roles, BS is fool, and therefore trying to get himself lynched.
@3d12's post How is posting random useless things, random voting someone, town? He posted a useless post, random voted Templar, and then disappeared. Not townie at all, but see above post. I say if we have a vigi, shoot him. JS
@Micchan's post Lurkfest incoming
@Kita's post So In a way, I think the idea of having all votes in an hour early isn't such a bad idea (unless that is mafia's mission). My thing is, why focus on missions when we need to find mafia? I think it's going to cause a lot of tension and bad reads to focus on squashing missions rather than lynching off the mafia. Idk
I also don't see how Templar's post was low quality?
@Templar, so why are these posts the most interesting to you?
among others, it's not like he's super mafia and everything
On September 02 2014 12:06 Vivax wrote: Have you been physically mistreated by bunnies in the past for bold statements?
repeatedly.
Cough* Bullshit *Cough
Also, Tehpoof couldn't handle this hotness.
That being said, yes, you are looking too much into. Apparently troll reaction means you are scum. Don't know why. Could honestly care less if you voted for me.
So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at?
@ Batsnacks terrible post Inb4 there are third party roles, BS is fool, and therefore trying to get himself lynched.
@3d12's post How is posting random useless things, random voting someone, town? He posted a useless post, random voted Templar, and then disappeared. Not townie at all, but see above post. I say if we have a vigi, shoot him. JS
@Micchan's post Lurkfest incoming
@Kita's post So In a way, I think the idea of having all votes in an hour early isn't such a bad idea (unless that is mafia's mission). My thing is, why focus on missions when we need to find mafia? I think it's going to cause a lot of tension and bad reads to focus on squashing missions rather than lynching off the mafia. Idk
I also don't see how Templar's post was low quality?
@Templar, so why are these posts the most interesting to you?
among others, it's not like he's super mafia and everything
On September 04 2014 03:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What did you like about that post? A whole bunch of people hated it because he called batsnacks town for next to no reason.
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.
From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.
I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
Not the batsnacks part. Sorry, I should have bolded it and made it more clear. The bolded part above I like.
Hence my proposal of a second wagon.
I don't see any reason to really like that. It's a reasonable opinion but it's rather generic, if you ask me.
Generic how?
People always want multiple wagons at the end of the day. So his point is not a huge revelation.
Well it would be nice to know which wagons there are but hosts fell asleep or something TT
On September 04 2014 03:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What did you like about that post? A whole bunch of people hated it because he called batsnacks town for next to no reason.
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote: Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are.
From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now.
I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
Not the batsnacks part. Sorry, I should have bolded it and made it more clear. The bolded part above I like.
Hence my proposal of a second wagon.
I don't see any reason to really like that. It's a reasonable opinion but it's rather generic, if you ask me.
Generic how?
People always want multiple wagons at the end of the day. So his point is not a huge revelation.
Well it would be nice to know which wagons there are but hosts fell asleep or something TT
Anyway, Micchan has continued to do nothing so I will be voting someone else, because nobody else seems to think Vivax is worthy of being lynched today.
##Unvote ##Vote: batsnacks
Agreeing that batsnacks is very odd this game so far.
On September 04 2014 04:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That last giant post from 3d is really shitty in more ways than one.
If we could do a last minute swap to him, that would be really cool. There are like 50 billion contradictions in there and I doubt he'll be able to explain all of them away. Lots of unnecessary doubt in there and not a whole lot of stuff makes sense on inspection.
This sounds like something mafia would say in your position though. I want to see if he can explain it or if he screwed up (and if so, in which way)
On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote: All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that.
##Vote: Micchan
You seemed to jump on this bandwagon easily, and now you're on the batwagon? What's your motivation, then? I posted mine.
read his filter, primarily due because of batsnacks' stupid first post
On September 04 2014 04:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 3d called a bunch of people scum for wanting to plynch, and then hops on a plynch bandwagon.
lool
On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote: All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that.
##Vote: Micchan
You seemed to jump on this bandwagon easily, and now you're on the batwagon? What's your motivation, then? I posted mine.
read his filter, primarily due because of batsnacks' stupid first post
Exactly, he's still bandwagoning on bat for a 0% reason except "this might be a mission." I'll grant that's a valid reason, but I just can't see bat being mafia at this stage. His contributions are far too helpful.
On September 04 2014 04:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 3d called a bunch of people scum for wanting to plynch, and then hops on a plynch bandwagon.
lool
On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote: All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that.
##Vote: Micchan
You seemed to jump on this bandwagon easily, and now you're on the batwagon? What's your motivation, then? I posted mine.
read his filter, primarily due because of batsnacks' stupid first post
Exactly, he's still bandwagoning on bat for a 0% reason except "this might be a mission." I'll grant that's a valid reason, but I just can't see bat being mafia at this stage. His contributions are far too helpful.
What has he contributed that has been helpful?
Specifically? The kita wagon. Even though I believe it's false, bat is being concise in constructing a case based on things that are not obvious. Everyone else is chasing the obvious lynch, but bat is thinking outside the box.
Besides, if he were mafia, why would he go out of his way to start a wagon against a second party? You would think that would make you stick out more than blend in, which it did.
On September 04 2014 04:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 3d called a bunch of people scum for wanting to plynch, and then hops on a plynch bandwagon.
lool
On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote: All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that.
##Vote: Micchan
You seemed to jump on this bandwagon easily, and now you're on the batwagon? What's your motivation, then? I posted mine.
read his filter, primarily due because of batsnacks' stupid first post
Exactly, he's still bandwagoning on bat for a 0% reason except "this might be a mission." I'll grant that's a valid reason, but I just can't see bat being mafia at this stage. His contributions are far too helpful.
Are you reading the thread?
Which one, this one or Storm? Because it seems like you're pulling your reads on bat from the latter.
Please do point out where you've built a constructive case surrounding this thread, though.
Please shut up.
That doesn't sound very town of you... You don't like hearing what I have to say?
Besides the three people not counting you that were here for EOD.
On September 04 2014 04:42 3d12 wrote: Oh shit, I didn't get what everyone was talking about at first. The day-end post is at the bottom of page 31, for anyone else who missed it.
This sucks. I guess we can hold out hope for more blue roles, but at this point the thread is going so far off the rails that I don't even know how much that would help.
I wish we knew how many scum there were, anyway. Everyone's saying 6 scumreads from me seems too high, but I'm personally a bit more suspicious that you guys don't suspect many people. How many scum do you think there are? I'm betting at least 4.
Since there are 13 players, there are almost certainly 3 scum. Have you ever played mafia before out of curiousity?
On September 04 2014 04:42 3d12 wrote: Oh shit, I didn't get what everyone was talking about at first. The day-end post is at the bottom of page 31, for anyone else who missed it.
This sucks. I guess we can hold out hope for more blue roles, but at this point the thread is going so far off the rails that I don't even know how much that would help.
I wish we knew how many scum there were, anyway. Everyone's saying 6 scumreads from me seems too high, but I'm personally a bit more suspicious that you guys don't suspect many people. How many scum do you think there are? I'm betting at least 4.
Since there are 13 players, there are almost certainly 3 scum. Have you ever played mafia before out of curiousity?
On September 04 2014 04:42 3d12 wrote: Oh shit, I didn't get what everyone was talking about at first. The day-end post is at the bottom of page 31, for anyone else who missed it.
This sucks. I guess we can hold out hope for more blue roles, but at this point the thread is going so far off the rails that I don't even know how much that would help.
I wish we knew how many scum there were, anyway. Everyone's saying 6 scumreads from me seems too high, but I'm personally a bit more suspicious that you guys don't suspect many people. How many scum do you think there are? I'm betting at least 4.
Since there are 13 players, there are almost certainly 3 scum. Have you ever played mafia before out of curiousity?
A few times, yeah. Mostly back in high school, it was a pretty popular game to play in band while setting up the stages.
So you guys play with a fixed number of mafia? We always played randomized, as long as it was less than half the total players. Though granted, not many people like D1 LYLO.
I once won a D1 LYLO with 7 town and 6 mafia in the sc2 mod, without anyone screwing up or leaving. It was really really weird O.o
Sorry I'm not posting much in this thread right now, realized that I had a bridge game at the last second and I have classes early tomorrow. Will post a bit tomorrow morning and tomorrow afternoon before day.
On September 04 2014 10:47 Vivax wrote: templar's case on me is awfully bad. He also brings disorder into the timeline of some of my posts.
For example something about me saying bsbsbs, then saying bsbsbs, while one of the posts was after I said something else yet he kinda displays it as if one came after the other while the order wasn't in that chronology.
I'm on the fence with him however, might be misguided townie but then I also see other stuff like:
"My meta is to do this every game and Vivax pushes me for it".
1. How am I supposed to know I never played with him. 2. From what I've gained from others he always rolled scum so why is it wrong to bring it up since apparently it's his scumm meta.
Lol. Literally two of the posts are out of order and they're a few minutes apart, and about the same thing. The rest of that post, if you actually bothered to read any of it, is by topic, followed by the order in which the related posts came in.
Newbies don't have a meta in general, and I happened to start doing these "one long post near the beginning of the game" posts before I knew what I was doing. Yeah you probably didn't buy TL+ and look for my first game, but you can't seriously think I'm red for doing some things the same way…?
Since I made that post you've been making similarly trending posts.
On September 03 2014 22:15 Vivax wrote: Ima take a nap now so just in case I sleep through til deadline by mistake I'm gonna put a placeholder vote on the "low hanging fruit", cause after all it's never a bad option for a D1 lynch.
##Vote: Micchan
I like what kitaman has to say about nb.
Oh you're going to take a nap so you have an excuse to be lazy. Excellent.
On September 04 2014 07:55 Vivax wrote: Kush are you scum this game? I'm increasingly feeling like that's the case.
You gonna post activity graphs soon?
Why why why why whywhywhywhy is he red? explain pls
Seriously, you moved from being friendly with him to putting him on your red list "for not being super townie" to having "an increasing feeling" about him being red.
On September 04 2014 07:57 kushm4sta wrote: vivax i did some shit before eod
Not enough bro. I'm afraid I will have to get you lynched
"I'm afraid I will have to get the town to lynch you". Are you normally trying to control the game? It's not working. You've done this sort of thing already.
On September 04 2014 08:33 Vivax wrote: Bats bats bats.
His first post, I regret not putting more weight into it initially. Anyway I googled that shit and it's from some I ching or book of changes. So basically this guy, for no apparent reason decides to quote some pages from a book of some religion or fuck knows what.
His later play is super serious. I've read a little of bats in cell mini where he got mislynched, and well.. He started trolly, and he stayed trolly.
Here he starts trolly, and then goes tryhard. No explanation for his first post yet.
So maybe it was his mission to post that stuff and instead of slowly working his way up to a reason to post it, he just decided to jump into the cold water by posting it first and seeing what would happen.
All this stuff is a bit tinfoil I know, but... ONE explanation is better than none, and it doesn't sit right with me that it got skipped over so easily (which was also my fault). If bats was town, mafia would have tried to capitalize on it at some point, probably.
Taking full town responsibility for not taking care of batsnacks. Ok… so based on that last point, batsnacks is red to you? Or white since some people voted and then unvoted him?
On September 04 2014 11:07 Vivax wrote: Yeah Obi is town
Am curious as to why you think this, to sate my own ego if nothing else.
Cause as mafia you don't give a single fuck about the game and give off an aura of disinterestedness and you just went and double checked what Oats wrote.
That is the single most thin reason I have ever seen.
On September 04 2014 12:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, Vivax can base his reads off of meta because he has tons of first hand experience of playing with both of us.
They look like shitty reasons to you because we've never played together.
On September 04 2014 12:38 Vivax wrote: Templar feels like very tunnel visioned to me. However he has 6 pages of filter so far so I don't feel like he's one of the guys I would lynch any time soon.
I would be interested into knowing what his other options are however.
you mean besides batsnacks who I proposed as an alternate wagon at EOD? 3d12 is also looking very strange to me (surprise)
On September 04 2014 02:56 mderg wrote: I think the Micchan lynch is our best option right now. Yes, he's an easy target but there's a reason for that. His play didn't really look townie.
##vote: Micchan
batsnacks, is it really that scummy to go after easy targets? You brought this up against bot poofter and kitaman. I don't think going after easy targets is inherently a scummy thing to do. After all they are easy targets because something about them is scummy.
On September 04 2014 03:04 Damdred wrote: ##Vote:Micchan
Theres a few things that have led me to this vote. The first being in the way that his posts have gone about. He casually threw more accusations at 3d when pressure on him was the highest. He complained about the thread but never tried to fix it, gave excuses why he did not post yesterday and never posted again. All he has done is lurk, and while lurking is not scummy his play and posts look and feel scummy to me. A couple games ago I got into a situation that was similar in arnie and I let GB slide doing somewhat the same things and I don't want to make that mistake again by letting someone go whos to scummy to be scum.
yeah im lynching damdred tmr.
I can get behind that. For people of any experience level, there shouldn't be too much of a reason to lynch someone that isn't doing anything because it's a policy lynch. They are trying to be defensive. I will look at Damdred's posting pattern more closely around the end of night (I'll try to be before the end of night in case I die).
On September 04 2014 21:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: Actually I'm curious. How is asking for reads scummy?
3d, have you played forum mafia before (you might have answered this before, but I'm lazy and don't want to search)
I did answer this, and Templar is correct. I've never played forum mafia, only RL and that was about 4-5 years ago now. Is there really that much of a disparity in the meta between the two?
live mafia = flailing around and yelling forum mafia = lynching people that flail around and yell
On September 04 2014 21:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: Actually I'm curious. How is asking for reads scummy?
3d, have you played forum mafia before (you might have answered this before, but I'm lazy and don't want to search)
he said he played live mafia a few times, didn't say anything about forum mafia (he didn't know # of mafia) so I guess… no?
Then that leads me to this question: did those who asked for other people's reads always turn out scum?
Always? No. And no, asking for reads is not inherently scummy. I find the "explain why you find this important" behavior pretty scummy for D1, considering there's generally very little to find important before the first lynch. Again, this may be a difference in meta, but typically nobody's opinion is worth asking about on D1 and most people who do ask for opinions at that stage are too wrapped up in their mafia mindset to come up with an opinion of their own. This obviously wasn't the case with you, as you showed later on, but it did make me suspicious when my first posted impression of bat was taken to mean a true town read by a lot of people.
Does this sound like a newbie writing it to anyone else?
On September 17 2014 11:54 3d12 wrote: Thank you very much, GlowingBear, for covering for me.
I didn't tell the rest of you, just the hosts, but I had some RL shit happen and I need to move in the next month. So between copious amounts of overtime and looking for a new apartment, I had no time to maintain the illusion of investigation. I'm glad GB was able to step in and make it work.
I'm really glad to have played with you guys, though. Sorry I really fumbled this one, I think that's what threw everyone's reads off in the early game (so, mission accomplished?) was when I was all over the place and being generally very terrible at this game. I hope to play again in the near future though, once I have a new place and some free time.
Also, batsnacks: do you still have your "kita notepad case"? I was interested in seeing it, but more interested in mislynching you at the time.
Never feel sorry and downgrade your play. I playing my 8th game and I'm still being called bad. I probably am. Oats is saying my arguments are bad. Funny thing: I never lost a game. Must be people carrying me.
It's just ridiculous how people have to downgrade people's play. It's boring. I'm considering quitting mafia after the next game because bad manner is boring me.
I'm 0-4 and probably not going to play much again because I suck I want to host games though, looking forwards to that.
On September 17 2014 11:54 3d12 wrote: Thank you very much, GlowingBear, for covering for me.
I didn't tell the rest of you, just the hosts, but I had some RL shit happen and I need to move in the next month. So between copious amounts of overtime and looking for a new apartment, I had no time to maintain the illusion of investigation. I'm glad GB was able to step in and make it work.
I'm really glad to have played with you guys, though. Sorry I really fumbled this one, I think that's what threw everyone's reads off in the early game (so, mission accomplished?) was when I was all over the place and being generally very terrible at this game. I hope to play again in the near future though, once I have a new place and some free time.
Also, batsnacks: do you still have your "kita notepad case"? I was interested in seeing it, but more interested in mislynching you at the time.
Never feel sorry and downgrade your play. I playing my 8th game and I'm still being called bad. I probably am. Oats is saying my arguments are bad. Funny thing: I never lost a game. Must be people carrying me.
It's just ridiculous how people have to downgrade people's play. It's boring. I'm considering quitting mafia after the next game because bad manner is boring me.
I'm 0-4 and probably not going to play much again because I suck I want to host games though, looking forwards to that.
You don't suck. I remember playing with you and you almost won he newbie game. But it was against me XD This one you were killed night 1. I don't know mafia mission but if you're town and you say night one, it's that because you made a very good job and can blame good scum play or bad town play for losing.
Just want to point out, mafia mission N1 was to kill a non-blue. So yeah, Templar, we killed you because you were guaranteed town. Take it as a compliment.
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