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On August 21 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote: It will be if I also roll scum because I have 100% win ratio after five games played Not because I played well, though, I just have this win aura 100% in 5 scum games? Or 5 games total? I'd assume the latter since I don't recognize you and I can't imagine you've played more than 5 games total. Oh and my usual pregame activity warning: if we start tonight I likely won't be around a great deal until Saturday. I'm having an absolutely brutal week with 1.5h commutes and 14h days. Didn't expect the game to start immediately. | ||
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It's fine to start if they want to, I'm just warning people not to expect much from me for the first 24h or so. Completely doable. | ||
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I wants it Actually probably wouldn't mind rolling anything at all in this game. Now I'm antsy in my pantsy . Let's start. | ||
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quick find one more no wait, we're full! you forgot yamato | ||
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On August 22 2014 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck this playerlist is so cool! i am exited. i hope Hapa rolls mafia. *except with me* I hope I get to be included in the cool kids group. Not sure what to make of list personally, think I could only solidly read half this list purely based on meta. | ||
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On August 22 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you say the word "feel" i am insta-lynching you. Challenge accepted. | ||
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On August 22 2014 10:11 KelsierSC wrote: So with this game having a Serial Killer we should be lynching basically every day in an effort to reduce KP. Scum will have a consistent KP of one but the benefits of getting the SK totally outweigh the risk of lynching town imo. Basically no voting to sleep or I will suspect you. You're cute. Nobody to talk to? I sad. | ||
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People I am confident at reading: Vayne Hapa yamato maybe rayn JAT | ||
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Why did you feel the need to post this right now? How is it in any way relevant or useful? What do you hope to accomplish? 3 questions. ugh game beginnings are supposed to be fun not delving into theorycraft shit this early | ||
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On August 22 2014 10:51 KelsierSC wrote: You asked 1 question in 3 different ways. I suppose this is a technique to try and discredit what I am saying. I was making town aware that we need to lynch aggressively. This is an important message to put forward. Anyway I really don't like how you said you "don't want to be baited into" the discussion, But all you did was ask 3 pretty general and meaningless questions that just prolong the discussion. Moving on from this. I really don't like how you have opened the game WaveofShadow. You were the first to respond to my post. But only after someone else comments on it do you jump in. I feel this is scum indicative and you really need to do better to convince me you are town. Oh sweet lord. SK please put me out of my misery N1. Does somebody other than Kelsier the Fun-Sucker want to talk before I pass out? | ||
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On August 22 2014 10:51 KelsierSC wrote: You asked 1 question in 3 different ways. I suppose this is a technique to try and discredit what I am saying. I was making town aware that we need to lynch aggressively. This is an important message to put forward. Anyway I really don't like how you said you "don't want to be baited into" the discussion, But all you did was ask 3 pretty general and meaningless questions that just prolong the discussion. Moving on from this. I really don't like how you have opened the game WaveofShadow. You were the first to respond to my post. But only after someone else comments on it do you jump in. I feel this is scum indicative and you really need to do better to convince me you are town. And no. No it's not. | ||
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On August 22 2014 10:54 turtlevine wrote: wos asked some questions aboove thinking there'd be people they'd shove but as we can see no question's worthy just tell them those posts get no love! there's no harm at the start realistically in talking about no-lynch strategy it's no good this game which is really a shame it kills a way for scum to talk for free! these posts give alignment of null-tell just don't use them as a casemaker as well not for town or for scum, i'm telling you chum this chatter lives only in the echo of the starting bell! Prome? | ||
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What did you do to make yourself glow? | ||
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I hope it's prome. | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote: Ate a family of fireflies. Every single family member. Why waves of shadow instead of waves of light? What do you think of Kelsen (I'll call him Kelsen, it's easier to remember) avoiding my question? Probably mega tryhard town, but I don't know a thing about him so it's not out of the question to be mega tryhard scum. Either way he bores me. Robik this answers your Q too. And poem does not mean turtle is town either. | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:17 KelsierSC wrote: Ok so you have nothing useful. I am going to give my reads so far. I like Robik as top town so far. I don't know him personally but I don't think mafia comes out early and calls someone stupid. Kind of like dam because he seemed to actually read a bit deeper into my first post. I like turtle because of his poem and he tried to focus town away from useless discussion. I wouldn't lynch these 3. Wave and Bear both seem kind of useless and weak so far and I would happily kill either of them Ohhhhh my braaaaainssssss | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:37 yamato77 wrote: Looooooooooooooool this game. Please save me yamato | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:42 GlowingBear wrote: What on the way I questioned you didn't like? WoS, if you think the players here suck, it's up to you to do something good or funny, then. It's not that, it's just I want to blast KSC for how generic he's playing and how wrong that ultimately makes him but I actually want to have fun in this game so I'll wait for other people to do it for me/ignore him for now so I don't have all the fun sucked out | ||
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I think damdred could be scum. Clearly here but all his very few posts are in defense of something. Seems like he doesn't want to stick his neck out in a phase of the game that is normally pretty damn innocuous. Damdred, be honest. Are you scum? Don't lie to me. DON'T LIE TO ME | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:49 KelsierSC wrote: Alright before you go and sulk in the corner like a baby , let me explain my day 1 play. What I like to do is basically give people a town pass d1, like you do something a bit towny or I perceive it as town play then you are off my radar d1. So far you have done absolutely nothing except bitch and whine and make stupid little comments so until you do something you are my top lynch. | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:51 GlowingBear wrote: I'm fun, specially at parties. Talk to me K townpile then. If you had to pick a scummer based on people who have posted right now, who and why? Also who in this game have you played with before? | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:53 Damdred wrote: Your right I am here and reading, last game I played started right after work or during work like this one did I came home and made awkward posts that made me look bad, so instead i'm looking bad for not being awkward I like this! I bleed green my friend, and i'd never lie to the shadows Beware because the Shadow knows. I want to come up with a fun game to play but I'm no good at Scooby-Doo-ing. Thoughts anyone? | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:59 KelsierSC wrote: I already did that holy fuck I think Dam is town, Bear is town, turtle is town and I still think Robik is town. He may play that way with either alignment but it still felt town to me. You are my top scum so far. Reasons. 1) You made no attempts to figure out the game. 2) You moaned and said stupid shit like "yamato save me" or "SK save me" 3) when I made the first post you responded to it but only attacked it after someone else had which felt super fucking scummy. Wasn't talking to you, honey. GB you think of all the people here KSC is most likely to be scum despite the fact that you can't tell if he's tryhard town or scum? No one else has done anything potentially scummier than KSC's tryhardiness? (This isn't rhetorical) | ||
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Damdred, I wouldn't mind an answer from you actually as to the question I asked GB. Robik, keep bein' Robik. Actually I want to go look up a scumgame of yours. Can you link/name one for me? | ||
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On August 22 2014 12:03 Damdred wrote: Talk to me gb i don't see what you see atm I'm leaning more towards putting work tryhard for kel on his first game with us. Oh shit the damdred mindmeld...hmmmm... Maybe you off the scumpile. Answer my q | ||
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On August 22 2014 12:08 GlowingBear wrote: I know nothing about Yamato. Played with him once, he was blue and I was mafia. He had like... 5 posts. Impossible to read him. @Damdred what aren't you seeing? I meant the other question I asked GB about if you had to pick one scum so far. Sorry that wasn't clear I guess. GB probs town btw. | ||
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Maybe phoneposting tomorrow but maybe not. Who else is in this game? JAT bbygrl did you roll town with me? Let's win another game, k? | ||
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On August 22 2014 12:23 GlowingBear wrote: Sorry, still not clear, my reading comprehension is bad. Are you asking my read on Yamato? Like, if he would be in my scumpile? I'd that is so, I'd say not yet, because I can't read Yamato at all lol. I derped, copy pasted the wrong post. Was meant @damdred Actually going to bed now | ||
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I have reads! First of all, the contrast between JAT this game and the last one is absolutely insane. How anybody could have thought he was town in that game after looking at all his other town ones ,(ie PYP: LoL for example) is hilarious. This game now included. JAT supertown obvs. Of course that could be confirmation bias speaking since he was on my team last game. Speaking of confirmation bias I'm having massive dichotomy issues in KSC. I think it was recently mentioned how insanely tryhard he is and he could be...friendlier if he was scum? Makes sense and again KSC is probably town like I said earlier, but from the very first post he makes against me he is suffering from monster bias. He literally takes everything I say and paints it scummy, including things that are blatantly untrue (he says I told SK to kill him? WTF did I say that?). I can totes understand a scumread on me, hell look at Rayn who does it every game, no matter how I open up. Last game I'm scummy for being too rigid, this game I'm scummy for being too useless/fluffy, and I have done both things as both alignments. The point being KSC does absolutely nothing else other than pick apart my posts constantly without considering any possible reason I could have for doing what I do as town. He also seems to really enjoy deferring and 'waiting till more people show up.' I really can't stand his posting right now even though it's likely to come from town because I can't shake the idea that he knows EXACTLY what he's doing, not being a newb and all. Look through his posts and tell me you don't get a bad feeling, the lot of you, despite the logic. Now Rayn i'll tell you why you're voting for me. Because a) you do it in the beginning of every game regardless of my alignment b) you enjoy playing dumbass mindgames. Why you need that to show you Hapa's alignment is truly puzzling honestly. All hapa needs to do is like post twice and he's an open book. Now as for why I ask questions? 'Cause I do it every game and I like doing it. In this case I had already offered an answer to my own question myself earlier (thought damdred looked scummy earlier) and I wanted to see if people could attempt to commit to something this early in the game/gauge some thoughts. I don't know damdred or GB and want to know what they think of other players I know well regardless of their posting in this game (ie yamato). Ignoring/anatagonizing KSC was to attempt to make him cut out his generic-ass early and safe posting but he doesn't seem to want to show much emotion or straying from the path, so it's tough to properly read him. If you can do stupid shit to get reads and have it not be scummy, then so can I, especially since we both do our own respective things every game. Will try to post sporadically throughout the day but no promises. | ||
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LOL JAT when i told you last game to be more towny and lead shit this is exactly what I meant and you never quite did it haha Unless you learned from what I said last game but that's extremely doubtful actually because your play was good enough to earn you the belt. Can't see you making subtle changes to your play like that if not necessary I also forgot to mention, VA posted like once and disappeared I think? Useless VA = town VA for the most part. Except for the last time I mentioned this heuristic in thread and he attempted to try and change it up (but didn't do a fantastic job) | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:50 justanothertownie wrote: I don't think you can read VA by what he has posted so far. Son, I can always read VA. | ||
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I'm still just blown away by how different your play is already. you'd better change up your next scumgame we're in together bro. | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:55 IAmRobik wrote: He's saying you and wos are mafia together and you gave him free town points in your chart because you were just throwing in your teammate, not really caring about where he went as long as he was somewhere at the top of town - as you were already giving a weak reasoning for him being town to begin with Which is absolutely fucking retarded, by the way. If Xat and I were both scum I can say with absolute certainty there is NO WAY IN HELL I would let him call me top town based on essentially nothing. Hell I don't think Xat would even be so bad as to try that on his own either. Scum NEVER give each other massive townreads like that. It's completely unheard of. Kinda curious as to why you'd think Xat and I are both scum GB. Is it because we are the only people even slightly under the gun right now and you need to feel useful? | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:04 IAmRobik wrote: I'm town. I have never ever claimed town as mafia. This game is no exception. Wait what? Seriously? | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:05 justanothertownie wrote: I would be really disappointed if you became grush 2.0 man. I kinda miss grush in a weird way. | ||
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but still It don't fit. Xat, why are people calling you scummy right now? | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:16 Xatalos wrote: I guess because my early reads are pretty weak / feeling-based. This always happens though so it should stop as the game continues. What do you think actually? You haven't commented really. I don't know what I think tbh. I find it really hard any scummer would give me a monster townread EVER tbh considering how every game people love to jump on me, but there were problems with your reads and it wasn't just that they were weak/feels based. It was like you had no idea what was going on in the thread when you posted and hadn't read anything ...the last person I remember to fuck up that badly was a read I made on HF last game. As scum. Like it's not even that I'd be expecting you to follow thread sentiment with your reads but they're really WEIRD and out of place. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:17 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, I think we caught you trying to fabricate a read out of nothing. Aaaaand this is basically what I just said I'm STILL cringing from my HF read | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:25 Xatalos wrote: Why is jat supertown btw? Enlighten me. I've only explained it in like 3 posts. Maybe JAt should explain it | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote: No, maybe JAT shouldn't. Xatalos had you and GB both as +4 btw. Doesn't make it any less of a monster since highest in the game thus far. | ||
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Now as for why I ask questions? 'Cause I do it every game and I like doing it. In this case I had already offered an answer to my own question myself earlier (thought damdred looked scummy earlier) and I wanted to see if people could attempt to commit to something this early in the game/gauge some thoughts. Not to mention, of course, to try and blatantly get some reads from people. You should probably read the rest of that post too because it should answer you questions, but of course it won't. I hate your nitpicky bullshit because now you're going to harp on it for the next 18 hours until you have an aneurysm and then magically forget about it/don't care anymore. | ||
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I'm not sure what a scum GB would answer, but I like the mini-discussion the question spawned over KSC and the tone in which GB answered (as well as has continued posting with). As such I am fine giving GB a townread. Although I wouldn't mind him explaining the turtle vote in a little more depth? | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure if i believe that Wave. Unless your plan is to just throw things left and right and see what happens. But i do not think you are that bad of a player. It has nothing to do with being bad Rayn. It's how I gather information and reads, and it makes the game interesting for me. I literally, LITERALLY do this shit every game. You can go ahead and believe what you want, because you will anyway. Nothing I ever say ever changes your mind, you just do it on your own when fancy strikes you. It's like marv's last-minute lynches. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:54 IAmRobik wrote: This is the silliest thing that I've ever read. Everyone is going to shoot down arguments against them, regardless of role. What? It's not about shooting down arguments brought against him, it's answering questions in general, not accusations specifically. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:00 Xatalos wrote: WOS had a 15 page filter in the Championship game as scum... WTF. I guess my townread based on activity/participation was a bit premature. Down 2 points. lol so much backdown heh that filter was with time constraints AND holding myself back 'cause scum. Wait till you see what I can do here. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:01 KelsierSC wrote: WoS do you think the +4 that Xatalos gave you was fair? To me that makes me view you as more town and Xat as scum trying to buy a friend Shit way of doing it if that's what he's doing imo Especially considering the 'oh whoops' now This is one of those 'too scummy to be scum' things...would scum xatalos really start backing down on all sorts of stuff under pressure upon realizing how bad his original post was and defending it? Having a hard time. | ||
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Yamato i can't read based on one-liner shit posts because he often does absolutely dick as both alignments Do you think he's scum? SHOULD people be calling him mafia? | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote: are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wave are you scared to have feelings? LOL I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS Sometimes you make me so angry | ||
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Damdred/KSC (and maybe Onegu or hapa or yamato? can't tell 'cause they're not here) Damdred for reasons earlier that haven't resolved much---had a mind meld a little while ago which is +town but his posting since he's returned hasn't really done a lot for me. More forgettable scum than HOLYSHITOBVSCUM Xat townread on me was a little odd but everyone found him scummy and everything he did in that listpost flies in the face of good scumplay so I doubt it tbh. KSC still just can't tell either way---either skilled scummer or boring townie. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:18 Damdred wrote: Yamato is always mafia until he posts and shows he isn't. You guys are right though, my posts do look a little downplay I guess my sarcasm was not really getting across especially in the post about being scum read for not being awkward. SO apologetic. Is damdred REALLY town for this? I learned not to do this after my first towngame ever i think. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not think this is the case with Wave. Basically everything he says is just incorrect or he contradicts himself with what he says earlier. For example he called someone bad/scum for making an association case and then he made a shitty association case himself... This whole post of yours is complete horseshit rayn. What have I said that is incorrect, and where have I made an association case? What the fuck are you even talking about? | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:51 justanothertownie wrote: I see why you would understand the anger in general but I don't understand why it rings townbells. Precisely because when you are assaulted like this you are absolutely furious as town that anyone could ever accuse you because not only is it completely untrue but they shouldn't be accusing you in the first place. It's like hearing about those people who go to jail for 20 years and then they find out somebody else did it or whatever. Just massive anger right from the gut. As scum you can fake the anger, sure, but it's not the same because even though they're accusing you correctly, it's for the wrong reason---it's not the same kind of righteous anger. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: You call out someone for making a pre-flip association, then one of your reasons for reading Xatalos town for is pre-flip association... Which is btw horribly wrong because at least four people have not called Xatalos mafia in this game. Not a case. The 'everyone found him scummy' doesn't have anything to do with anything in terms of trying to prove anything, I'm just saying people found him scummy, I don't. It's an exaggeration. it's specifically the fact that he would be a horrible scummer if he played that listpost the way he did. GOD I FORGOT HOW MUCH I HATE THIS NITPICKING STYLE OF YOURS SO MUCH Like you don't pick on grand points, you pick on semantics and stuff and it never gets you anywhere It's so frustrating trying to prove to you I'm town because it happens this way every goddamn game | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: In your list of possible mafia are three people who have not called Xatalos scum. Do you know something i do not Wave? THIS IS SO FUCKING STUPID I WAS TALKING ABOUT THREAD SNETIMENT JESUS CHRIST I ALSO MENTIONED PEOPLE WHO ARE AFK AND THEY DIDNT CALL XATALOS SCUM HURR DURR I MUST BE MAFIA | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:59 justanothertownie wrote: You seem to be quite certain that rayn is town, yes? Yeah fairly fucking certain. He tends not to do this shit as scum---0doesn't push relentlessly he is more content to sit back and not take an active role. Like you last game. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tell me Wave, what are grand points then? You have two weak townreads and i have no idea why you think the people you are mafia are mafia. Enlighten me because you have given us nothing concrete so far. Because I don't have anything concrete. I have explained exactly what I have on people thus far. My scumreads are simply those I have found scummiest so far, I am not sold on any of them. fucking hell | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Wow, I HEAVILY disagree with this statement. If there is a player that pushes hard for mislynches and has an agenda as scum then it is rayn. You've never had to defend yourself from town-rayn led mislynches multiple times. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wave what is your reasoning for not scumreading GlowingBear? What you are doing right now is just trying to discredit me for no reason. It makes no sense to me because what i have said is basically "i have no fucking idea who you think is mafia and why" and "what you say is not making sense to me". The way to conter it is to start making sense, not to discredit someone. Everyone who pushes lynches has lead mislynches. That does not make me bad. For the record i after my break i have voted for mafia in 75% of all my day phases as town. So i am definitely not bad and if i happen/happened to mislynch you it's on YOU because YOU failed to convince the town you are town. I GAVE MULTIPLE REASONS FOR IT No. You know what? No. I'm not wasting another fucking lunch hour going over every minute piece of bullshit you spew and having you throw shit back on me. That shit may have worked in Persona when you mislynched me but it won't here. If you lynch me here you are damn fucking well taking full responsibility for it. I'm done attempting to convince you; I'm going to play the game how I damn well fucking please, seemingly inane questions, perceived contradictions and all. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:18 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, fine. But if you want it to be like that stop raging at rayn. Ignore him and talk about other people. I have done plenty of that but it all falls by the wayside because godrayn deems it so I shoudl reread damdred again because mroe and mroe people are starting to twonread him I think | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote: Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far. I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now. Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to? I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange. You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read Yup definitely not liking Damdred Devotes long catchup post to restating everything that has been said already in thread by other people Super apologetic On August 23 2014 01:20 Damdred wrote: Jat in his scum game was honestly useless, he only showed up to post things that somewhat made sense and he disappeared for long points of time and nobody called him on it he was just allowed to exist. Instead of doing that here, he is much more actively involved in the goings on of the day and is pressuring people to get their reads and not accepting at face value what they are saying but he seems to be digging to get a better understanding. I would strong town read JAT currently because of these reasons Could you show me these one liners where he is subtly discrediting people? This post is a little better, specifically calling out Xat about where JAT is discrediting people. I don't think his above analysis of JAT is particularly correct though but it makes me wonder why Xat are you the only one who can't seem to get a handle on the fact that JAT is very obviously town? Damdred, do some more stuff. Don't apologise for stuff, don't rehash stuff. new stuff. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:26 turtlevine wrote: wow, fucking sylencia just came into the mason QT and told us we're confirmed to each other. I would have 100% never outed my Mason partner if he was confirmed to me, since all that does is give scum easy targets to shoot. are you freaking kidding me LOL | ||
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Called scum D1 last game for being THE EXACT OPPOSITE (even if they were right) I LOVE TL MAFIA | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:33 KelsierSC wrote: So I don't really like the last few interactions WoS has had. I know he thinks I am just focused on him but here is what I don't like. 1) I still don't like how he thinks Dam is scum like it just doesn't fit with how I read him and that makes me feel uneasy, also no one else is really pinging out Dam, he isn't going to be the lynch so why deflect on to him. 2) You have no "strong" scum reads like this just doesn't feel good at this point. 3) You got angry with rayn for seemingly no real reason, he was bringing up some good points and asking you reasonable questions and you just kind of exploded at him and It just felt forced to me. If i get this straight you slightly fos me, dam and Xat as scum? 1) Not deflecting, called him scum ages ago, trying to update reads. I'm sure in another case you could call me scum for sheeping onto a read everybody else has had rather than a 'new' target amirite? CONFIRMATION BIAS 2) never have strong scumreads D1. YOU DON KNO ME (in slightly hispanic accent) 3) Not the way I see it. KSC, who are you going to vote for, if at all? | ||
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REALLY not a fan of KSC at all I suggest people look at him a little more closely---but then of course he's been attacking me most of the game so you should be ok with that, right? Dunno wtf hapa/onegu are doing. Or yamato. Mayb one of them scum I dunno | ||
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I absolutely hate it when you play like you have Rayn because you lynch townies probably at least as often as you lynch scum. It's a fucking horrible way to play, I don't care how much your ego says you need to do it. There is a point in that Hapa should have known you were going to do that though when he came in with that case; I'm pretty sure a couple of other people also predicted the OMGUS Let it be known that I predicted this though On August 22 2014 22:56 WaveofShadow wrote: It has nothing to do with being bad Rayn. It's how I gather information and reads, and it makes the game interesting for me. I literally, LITERALLY do this shit every game. You can go ahead and believe what you want, because you will anyway. Nothing I ever say ever changes your mind, you just do it on your own when fancy strikes you. It's like marv's last-minute lynches. On August 23 2014 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck Wave must be town. I guess i'll go read Damdred again after sauna. So goddamn fucking stupif to have to go through your bullshit in more than half the games we play together, either versus me or other people when you spam up and destroy the thread. I swear to you right now: I am pretty frigging certain you are town, but if you come back and post like a fucking moron tonight, I WILL vote you and nobody else. Now Hapa---Rayn is right to some degree. Hapa is not posting as I would expect from him, and there are certain things I'd expect to see from him this game that I'm not. There is some genuine feels-type stuff in his posts that I don't believe he'd be capable of as scum however (he's super fucking awkward as scum), like the whole 'suave' thing. I'm not going to go all 'only Hapa or Rayn today' because that's fucking dumb. Yamato's obsession with me rings some bells. Constantly asking about me, saying he's reading my filter and stuff and not offering much, and then fucking off. The thing is, not only does he do this, but he complains when other people do the same. On August 23 2014 06:08 yamato77 wrote: it really does and look at the way he talked about me he's not trying to lynch me, he's just trying to make people not townread me so fucking scummy This is him jumping on board with Hapa's rayncase where rayn insinuates yamato is scum but drops it. I believe yamato has done the exact same thing here; the difference between the two imo is rayn is actually active and really trying to solve the game. Yamato jumps in, posts some shit and one-liners and genuinely does not seem to give a single fuck. Yamato's scum MO in a nutshell. ##Vote: yamato77 A question: Who are the people who still think rayn is scum, and why? | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote: So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town. I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically. He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him. He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read. I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true. Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early. He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine. TLDR - WoS is really town SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:42 Damdred wrote: I like your yamato point wave, he did something similar in showdown but people asked for his reads and he never gave them when he was scum.... And i'm undecided if Rayn is scum, he is trying to antagonize people, and is pushing my buttons that he knows he can push. I was leaning towards him being town but i'm just unsure he did a lot of these same tactics in the titanic this past time when he was mafia. He does have a big filter but a lot of it is spamming the same useless stuff over and over and hes capable of having a big filter as mafia I just don't know what I think because i'm upset with him Rayn doesn't push buttons on purpose afaik, he's just pretty abrasive in general. People like Palmar do. I haven't read Titanic but I think even Rayn would be pretty hard pressed to replicate play like this as scum. I have to read you again again Damdred because as I was catching up I remember feeling better about you but I don't remember why. VA, thoughts on Rayn. Is it possible for him to be scum with this filter? | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:46 KelsierSC wrote: No it wasn't one post, I checked your filter and I liked your points about Dama, I also think you brought up some points about yamata which I agreed with. I think your post and your vote were good so you are definitely not a lynch for me today My points about Damdred were before I left early yesterday and after you had continued to call me scum since. The Xat point is something I've been dwelling on, btw. I don't know what this mafia tools shit is, but to me it looks like it should make Xat all-but-confirmed town. Otherwise the +4 is and always has been fishy. I may end up attempting to ignore the copy paste thing and filter diving him as well. | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: Part of my reads are based on people who are reading the game the same way as me, not all of it though. Otherwise why are Hapa and Rayn both in my town list. I forget the exact quote but something BH said a while ago about 'you have to look at the meaning behind the facts?' lol Reads themselves don't mean shit. Assuming you're town, it would be so easy for any scummer in this game to see that you have a hardon for people who read the game in the same as you and just float along. What is important is in the thought process and how they arrived at the same conclusions as you. Yeah your Hapa/Rayn thing being town is a little different and I'm leaning towards the same thing (unsure on Hapa still tbh) but a lot of the time the main points you bring against people (me earlier in the game, Damdred for example) are solely based on your conclusions versus theirs. It's been bothering me ever since you started doing it because in theory it's an easy way to pocket people. | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am xapable of having the biggest filter in a game as mafia. Don't usw it to read me. Wave.... Don't smile at me you shitter Are you around? | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:56 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh at the time the Dam read felt weak and generic but he as shown recently that he does tend to disappear or stay quiet around important topics. So in hindsight that was a pretty good read from you. I still think Dam is town but your read of him was from a town perspective imo See, the bolded is how you should be thinking, but the sentences above that is really what you liked. It looks like you just threw the 'town perspective' thing in as an after thought based on the post I just made. I do have to say though I have liked your play much better throughout the day than how you started off. I hated how 'generic-this-is-the-stuff-town-should-say' your posting was. | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:58 Xatalos wrote: It just escaped my attention. I didn't realize at first how weird it is for town rayn to ask others if someone is scummy. He would just say "pretty sure yamato is scum" or something like that. His play in this game is actually very reminiscent of marv (aside from the spam). Tossing out random questions and reads every so often. Throwing his vote down without much explanation, throwing his ego at people. All of this stuff can be done by Rayn but I can't honestly remember if he does it all...so...blatantly? I dunno. Just feels weird. Still would not lynch today unless he does like I said later. Xat, who are your scumreads and why? cba to look through your filter yet. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:00 KelsierSC wrote: Also it isn't just they have the same read but it is the style of the read. so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me. What do you consider sheeping? Is it something town or scum do? When and why? | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote: That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with. 1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes. 2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting. Good question. lol so reminiscent of scumJAT catchups from last game. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: You're bad. Yeah I'm well aware that you think so. There's nobody in mafia better than you hapa and marv /dicktug Fact is though, marv at least gets results a lot of the time, without having to resort to what you seem to have to. And even then, he is perfectly capable of completely fucking up a game---see Heavyweight Championships. Even if I were town in that game I can say with absolute certainty I would not follow marv blind into a lynch like the rest of everyone did, and I never will. The same thing applies now. The fact that you spam and feel the need to try and force town into it in fact makes me want to lynch hapa less just to spite you. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:05 KelsierSC wrote: Sheeping is what I think Yam and Xat did with the Hapa read because they didn't really add anything to the original points and just hopped on a bw. It feels scummy to me. They do it if they want to push a ML. Alright, say you're town and have no strong reads at the end of the day. You have a near-confirmed-but-not-quite townie on your team. How do you vote? | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:09 justanothertownie wrote: It is nice that you are lecturing him but is this supposed to lead anywhere? Of course. I'm cementing my handle on his play. JAT who are you voting today? | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:11 justanothertownie wrote: That's a decision I won't make right now. I want to hear from Hapa first. So you are leaning towards Hapa? | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:14 justanothertownie wrote: I am leaning towards nothing right now. Yamato could be a decent lynch. Maybe Xatalos. You aren't off the table either, How decisive you are. On August 24 2014 02:12 KelsierSC wrote: If by the end of the day I had no strong reads I would probably just suicide for being useless. In all seriousness yes I would probably vote along with the confirmed town.. Was that the case in this situation? It was not near the end of day and it was the FIRST post Hapa had made, he was nowhere near confirmed. Dam what is your read on WoS now? No that's not the case in this situation...you didn't exactly get what I was going for either because I was trying to make it extremely hypothetical. I didn't say confirmed town, I said near in that there's a chance said person could still be scum, but whatever. I have what i need from you No lynchy. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:09 VayneAuthority wrote: nah wave rayn is town. Oh right and forgot about this. Why? | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:18 Xatalos wrote: I'd like explanations as well but I'll go with this and examine the similarities and differences. Apparently a big reason for you to scumread me is that our "reads are different" so this should at last put your argument to rest. GB/turtlevine - obviously agreed WOS/Hapa/jat - agreed Damdred - somewhat agreed but I think there's a chance he could be scum - definitely not for the reasons rayn mentioned though, and not a lynch candidate for now - town? VA - apparently serious VA = scum VA, I don't really know VA that well but I wouldn't at least townread him so easily - scum? rayn - pretty hard to townread him when he's constantly brought BS arguments against me, ignored his own strategy to read me (probably because it would just make me look good), softpushed / validated his reads from the thread, pushed a REALLY bad case against Damdred etc. - scum yamato - useless yamato isn't necessarily scum yamato, and I think he's shown some of his townie characteristics... with that said his continued lurking and making these quick useless posts here and there doesn't look good so I'm not very confident to call him town anymore - nullish Onegu - I think his entrance to the thread was good, not a fan of his repeated questions about the Masons though - town lean still Overall if we ignore GB/turtlevine, we agree on 4 out of 8 reads and the only significant difference is rayn/VA. Why do you townread VA btw? I know you were asked to do this, but I absolutely hate this post. Can't even pinpoint why. lol maybe rayn has solved the game | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:19 Damdred wrote: I'm actually going to go back on my original read. Hes actually being really logical and he seems to be helping and it seems to be coming form a town position. I like him a lot better than I did earlier in the thread at this point. More backdown, not that I'm surprised. Filtering you right now. You're either on the table for me or off. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I understand and maybe you are right. Maybe not. I believe i am right and when i do, i will try to mak peoole believe me. I would be incredibly impressed if scumrayn said this. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:37 justanothertownie wrote: wat, I think you are really undererstimating him. Disagree. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:38 justanothertownie wrote: I have no idea why you guys think it is prome. Because he did something similar once? Don't base reads on this... On August 23 2014 01:22 WaveofShadow wrote: It's definitely prome nobody calls me a vet but him Also think he did limericks in another game Not sure what rayn's reason is. Either way I don't think the two of them voting hapa alone would make me switch off yamato except if we needed to consolidate. I personally would give hapa more time. | ||
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On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote: turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life. Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression. Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this. Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is? Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they? Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough. | ||
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I don't go in for unnecessary belligerence. My questions are not useless as I told Rayn. They get me what I want. And as far as yamato goes, how exactly was that one sentence I wrote on people not voting for yamato a case? OR comparable to hapas in any way? What in the fuck are you talking about? | ||
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On August 24 2014 03:50 Hapahauli wrote: Is JAT always this pedantic about irrelevant things? As town, unfortunately. Rayn too. | ||
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Second, the difference being I am actually voting for the guy, and pushing a case that I originally wrote, and rayn did neither at the time. How is that even remotely the same? | ||
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On August 24 2014 03:54 WaveofShadow wrote: First of all, too late. Second, the difference being I am actually voting for the guy, and pushing a case that I originally wrote, and rayn did neither at the time. How is that even remotely the same? AND on top of that yamato had barely done anything at that point in the game iirc---like the situations are completely different. What did you hope to accomplish with this line of questioning? It's so wtf | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? This is when Rayn posted. Yamato's filter is like 6 posts long at this point. Currently it is >30. Massive difference. It is not only the quantity of his posting (which is by itself a terrible heuristic) but the content and quality, which is absolute shit and belies the fact that he doesn't appear to care whatsoever. This is really dumb JAT. | ||
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I get your point but it strikes me as incredibly weak. | ||
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WWill be back before deadline. Should start consolidating. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:34 yamato77 wrote: its geript fucking lynch me now The fuck is this? | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:17 justanothertownie wrote: He definitely thinks so. It's because turtle said yamato is generally bad or something like this. And you don't think Prome would say that? Although come to think of it IS possible turtle could be geript. In which case I'd probably put a lot less credence in his reads, no offense buddeh. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:25 justanothertownie wrote: It's not about what I think. That's what yamato thinks. I personally have no idea who it is but geript is certainly possible. I know. Though yeah I don't see why it matters what yamato thinks. The martyring would probably give me second thoughts if it were someone else (not everybody...Onegu for example), but I don't see any reason scum yamato wouldn't do that. | ||
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Who the fuck are we lynching? | ||
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raynpelikoneet (2): GlowingBear (0): turtlevine (0): yamato77 (3): Damdred (1): Xatalos (2): Hapahauli (2): raynpelikoneet, GlowingBear WaveOfShadow (1): Onegu (0): IAmRobik Not voting (2): justanothertownie, Damdred, I think this is right. Let me know if anything is off. | ||
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We have a while still but I expect people to move their votes accordingly | ||
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Also turtle, whoever you are, I'd appreciate more than just limericks and arguing the merits of meta. Can we has talk? | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote: ##Vote Xatalos This just feels like a mislynch on yamato being pushed. Xatalos feels the most scummy in the whole thread maybe he is town and i'm totally misreading him (again) but I don't like this lynch Is town or scum leading this lynch? | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:55 yamato77 wrote: Xatalos could be scum for just how terrible his read of me is. Yet he's defending it like it's so good. If it's me or him I'll vote with damdred. ##Vote Xatalos And yet you still don't have much to say about me, including when you OMGUSed me earlier. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:58 yamato77 wrote: And I have played this game, you all just look to my unmotivated play as a sign of my mafia game. Unfortunately playing with some of you sucks all the fun away That's such horseshit yamato. What demotivated you exactly? | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:05 yamato77 wrote: I gave my read on you. You voting me on your return is horrible. As is Hapa push of me. Onegu and Rob just sitting on sidelines not even posting getting a free pass. This was your read: On August 23 2014 11:40 yamato77 wrote: I pointed out what I thought about him early game, but honestly, I skimmed most of the spam between him/rayn/jat/xat that comprises most of this thread, so my perspective is biased toward his early play. I know he's capable of good to great scum play, so high activity and read fabrication aren't difficult things for him. I'd say I judge him on his sincerity, and I didn't like what I saw early on. I'll take a look at his filter and give better impressions. On August 23 2014 12:04 yamato77 wrote: the main thing I see in his filter is a bunch of arguing with rayn over very little real reads. mainly, he seems to be defending himself. I'd be interested in how he reads the situation between me/hapa/rayn atm Zero conclusions. 'Better impressions?' Narp. Were you really interested in how I read the situation? Doesn't seem like it. Scum. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:07 Hapahauli wrote: Can I get a show of hands who would be interested in swinging a vote on Damdred? That vote is actually that bad. Not while yamato is still scumming it up in thread. But I guess if nothing much else is happening I'll give Damdred's filter a read though I wasn't going to do it until after deadline | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:08 yamato77 wrote: Reading through page after page of pointless arguing. Trying to talk about the game with people only to be told I'm doing nothing. No one is discussing anything, they are just accusing and yelling. Just like your posts lately. What is wrong with you? FIrst of all, don't see how I'm yelling, and I'm sure the people arguing wouldn't call it pointless. Also, WELCOME TO FUCKING TL MAFIA Like....the fuck did you expect? As for you talking about the game, all I see are a bunch of questions and one liners at people. You're not really contributing much to discussion in any way that I see. Nobody else seems to have a problem contributing, why do you, and then feel the need to display your emo-ness in thread when you get called out for it? Why not just, I dunno, pick up your play? | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:12 Damdred wrote: Ok I understand what you are saying now JAT. I do not think that Yamato is mafia this game, this is mainly experienced based with him so I could be dead wrong granted. Most of his posts have had some thought behind it and look more like his other town games I have been with him in rather than the game I played with him when we were mafia together. His posts there were empty and mostly taunted people, here he hasn't really taunted he has had thoughts about Rayn, wave granted he didn't give a bigger read but he did give an initial one which is more than a lot of the time he does in scum games. And a huge point in Xatas lynch of him is that he isn't fighting he just gives up and dies which he hasn't done he has been back into the thread and has made other posts even though they haven't been as constructive as I would like it still seems more like town yamato to me. Hapas post on Xata is pretty good I will admit but something just seems off about Xata this game. He is never this certain about stuff like this day one. I've said most of this before but hes slung stuff and defended people posts later, hes exaggerated things in certain posts when earlier he said the opposite and then goes back. Totally sheeped hapas case on Rayn without even questioning his abscense or the validity of the case, and for someone who was super happy to have confirmed town didn't even notice the GB part of the post until someone else pointed it out. He hoped around from target to target until he found one (yamato) that he could get traction on and push. So yea hes scummy to me Show me the thought behind yamato's posts. Show me something on town yamato that isn't meta based. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote: Well then help me see it if i'm wrong about wave i'm wrong but i won't to understand why On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions. On August 23 2014 08:40 Damdred wrote: Honestly though I'm probably being paranoid and dumb. But its just a weird coincidence that right when thread mentality is shifting against rayn hap shows up to blast him with a case (fitst post) I'm not sure what hapas activity level usuallt is but it is just weird. and then everyone sheeps it feels off to me Cursory read of Damdred's posts....just always so apologetic and always backing down. Later posts are better though, more confident, more stance-taking. Still don't think I would lynch today. I need to do a full dive and I don't think I can do it with enough time to switch | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:14 Damdred wrote: Show me something on scum yamato that isn't meta based first Yamato's obsession with me rings some bells. Constantly asking about me, saying he's reading my filter and stuff and not offering much, and then fucking off. The thing is, not only does he do this, but he complains when other people do the same. This is him jumping on board with Hapa's rayncase where rayn insinuates yamato is scum but drops it. I believe yamato has done the exact same thing here; the difference between the two imo is rayn is actually active and really trying to solve the game. Yamato jumps in, posts some shit and one-liners and genuinely does not seem to give a single fuck. Yamato's scum MO in a nutshell. ##Vote: yamato77 So, drop the final sentence and it's not meta based. What exactly has yamato done in this game to make him towny, Damdred? | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:18 Hapahauli wrote: The problem here is that you obviously didn't read any of the games I linked. That and you're lynching a guy with 17 pages of Day 1 filter. Scum can be active, but no way can scum cannot fake that level of activity. In the history of this site, I've never seen someone have that large of a Day 1 filter. Ever. Can't name you specific games but I'm pretty sure I've seen it. Not sure if I've seen scum do it, but I know for sure it's been done. | ||
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You read me town, correct? And you think Xat is scum. If him and yamato are your strongest scumreads, and I am the leader of the push on yamato, why are you not voting for him? | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:21 Hapahauli wrote: I've seen 17 pages of filter. 17 pages of day 1 filter? No. 17 pages of Day 1 Xatalos filter? No way. marv in...I wanna say ##? One of the games around there in my filter. His filter was monstrous...something like 50 pages overall. Either way, irrelevant. I don't like deciding things solely based on meta, never have. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:28 yamato77 wrote: It's basically xat/hapa/wave all circlejerking over lynching me and calling me an inactive scum. I flip town you know. LOL And this is why I have no problem lynching you. It has less to do with your inactivity and more to do with the fact that you just don't give a fuck. Town care. You don't. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:28 yamato77 wrote: It's basically xat/hapa/wave all circlejerking over lynching me and calling me an inactive scum. I flip town you know. lol and I just realized. This is all the people voting yamato except the obvtown JAT. Why not mention JAT in the circlejerk? This doesn't even make any sense. Obviously me/hapa/xat are all scum together just piling on to a D1 lynch. Laughable. | ||
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Too little too late. And besides you're posting only in the weakest of all defenses to yourself. If you actually cared you'd help town find scum. I think that much should be obvious. Burn. | ||
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Where have you put in the effort? I think in literally EVERY single game I have played I have made a case that's taken me ~1h to write and had the whole thread ignore it. What's your excuse? | ||
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If we lynch someone it will be because thought was put into it. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: Robik or Damdred. I haven't had time enough to read either in any detail Fucking shenannies This is a coinflip | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:56 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu is plausible too. I'll decide in 60 seconds. No this isn't happening. I will not sheep you onto a target of your choosing. JAT if we switch I will follow you and you only. I still think we need to stay on yamato but I won't risk town not choosing this lynch. | ||
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fuck shenannies man GB/Hapa I love and hate you | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote: You? Like, GB is the best for noticing it was a comfort mislynch for mafia. Kthxbai So like at least one more scum amongst those who fucked off for deadline onegu/VA/damdred Can't be turtle and probably not rayn | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:12 justanothertownie wrote: I knew it was off how certain he was about his reads early on. The last time he called me obvtown that early was order mafi What does that make rayn? Would Robik townread a buddy that hard? lol so much for not claiming town as scum robik | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: That pool includes you sadly. Your homework is also to go over the votecount and tell us who's mafia. Yeah well aware, and I also look like shit specifically because I didn't want to switch but whatever. I'm fucking pumped and confident | ||
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Although I can't help but think Shadow game so it's certainly possible one of you four isn't town. Either way first step is still the rest | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:26 GlowingBear wrote: Tell me again you love me. I feel lonely But alcohol is your lover now | ||
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On August 24 2014 11:11 justanothertownie wrote: No, he explicitly said he would not switch in the end. Yarp Changed my mind in the end, was pretty fucking sure I was in the right place Not much else to say | ||
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On August 24 2014 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: well yamato is scum. Yeah as much as it aggravates me, he's probably not and GB was likely right. Maybe now that you don't have to whine about people being on your ass you'll actually give a shit, yamato I'm decently sure it's still not rayn. Have to re-evaluate KSC now as well ugh | ||
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On August 24 2014 12:14 Hapahauli wrote: Have you finished your homework yet Wave? I'm procrastinating. I'm not going anywhere obvs, ill get to it | ||
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At this point it means we're both town, but don't take MY word for it or anything. Hapa, I'm handing in my homework at the last minute tonight it looks like. I won't have enough time to do the filter diving I wanted to for the rest of the day and last night I really just wanted to play HS (except then fucking Lizard squad n' shit) | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 25 2014 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Which should have been obvious even from the start of when it happened, like I said. At this point it means we're both town, but don't take MY word for it or anything. Hapa, I'm handing in my homework at the last minute tonight it looks like. I won't have enough time to do the filter diving I wanted to for the rest of the day and last night I really just wanted to play HS (except then fucking Lizard squad n' shit)[/QUOTE] You can see why this doesn't line up with... [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 16:25 Hapahauli wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup no point right now we lynch into people not on robik imo[/QUOTE] That pool includes you sadly. Your homework is also to go over the votecount and tell us who's mafia. [/QUOTE] Yeah well aware, and I also look like shit specifically because I didn't want to switch but whatever. I'm fucking pumped and confident[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] No, honestly I don't. I'm still fucking pumped to be winning and still confident that we're going the distance. What does that have to do with me not doing it right away last night? | ||
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Onegu A complete coinflip. Every time I try to read this guy I fail miserably. He appealed to me before being lynched (I was scum he was town) in his last game but I am in no way certain what I would have thought were we both town. I'm fairly certain he is capable (and has performed) personal appeals in scumgames too. Even looking through his posts in this game I have absolutely no clue. Considering we coinflipped Robik and won we could always do the same if we're having problems around deadline D2. VA So again, the heuristic for the most part goes, Lazy useless VA = town, tryhard VA = scum. He has muddled with this a little in a few later games but the most part I'm able to catch him out when it's needed. This time his town play seems to fit but I think as someone else may (or may not have?) pointed out, it looks as though he is actively and very obviously trying to muddle with his meta this time around by talking about himself and his activity: On August 24 2014 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote: Do I have to troll every game? not really. I always try when im needed and this game is a mess. On August 24 2014 05:57 VayneAuthority wrote: I can do this all day I dont get lynched as town becaus I dont leave pores in my logic and my foundation. Shitty cases will be shot down on sight as usual. First of all, that first quote is pretty damn mafia-indicative. For the most part, (I say most because I have done this before as town) shitting on activity, ESPECIALLY when there is no reason to shit on activity is a scumtell. I honestly can't think of a reason why he would say the game is a mess when he did. Many players were extremely active and attempting to figure things out. The other thing with that quote is it's completely not true. I can remember a game...Hapa you were in that one I believe and we elected you mayor or something? Anyway a game where Vayne was cop or vig or something and played blatantly anti-town. It's been a while since that happened but it's proof nonetheless, and VA is well aware of his own meta, so the only reason to say things like that is to mess with people like me who can read him pretty damn well. Question then becomes, is he messing with people as town or scum? I'm leanbing towards scum here because while VA is known to mess with meta as both alignments, he's trying pretty hard to do it here when under fire, and it's fairly well known he cares about his scumgame more than his towngame. I could lynch him tomorrow. Damdred/KSC inc. | ||
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On August 25 2014 04:36 yamato77 wrote: Also, JAT, you aren't that good so you can just buzz off telling me what to do. Also I just have to say that I was completely infuriated when I read this. yamato you may have once been a quality player but it's been proven time and time again JAT is an extremely strong player as both alignments. You whined and complained and most of all lucked yourself into not getting lynched yesterday and now all of a sudden you think you can take control and be all arrogant? Please. If you could talk to other people about who is good and who isn't then you wouldn't constantly be on the block while JAT never is. It's very nice that you're actually playing the game now but you had no excuse not to on D1. /offtopic Moving on. | ||
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Considering he has been called out on these heuristics (for example, the fact that he seems to base his reads primarily on whether people's reads match with his own, and in the case of the above, giving reads in general way too much credit one way or another), you would think that as scum he would not want to continue using them as 'wrongly' and blatantly as he has as they continue to draw negative attention towards him. This is either a towny who is set in his ways from playing elsewhere or a scum who is trying to appear as such and is extremely ballsy in doing so. KISS says the former. Fairly simple imo. Who else is around right now? What are the points for KSC scum again? | ||
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Oh ugh is that really his explanation? Doesn't explain why he didn't switch over earlier on, say, before he though yam must be town. And actually did KSC even mention anywhere that he was doubting his read on yamato? | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:30 Hapahauli wrote: Wave When he re-enters the thread when suspicions start being pushed, he first votes Yamato. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=61#1205 Now this post spends a lot of time talking about nothing. Talks about how he thinks Rayn is town but is tempted to lynch him for being annoying, talks about not wanting to lynch myself or Rayn, then finally moves onto his Yamato vote. 66% of this post is poitnless and has nothing to do with why Yamato is scum. This strikes me as very suspicious, but we haven't gotten to the main evidence int his case yet. Anyway, after he votes Yamato, look at the amount of people he is about to call scum in the ensuing discussion: That's a selection from pages 5-6 of his filter. I'd recommend you all take a look through it. The guy calls myself, Jat, Damdred, Xatalos, and VA suspicious, all while antagonizing Rayn. So there are two possible explanations for this: 1) He is a townie involved and trying to figure out the game. 2) He is scum trying to spread suspicion on everything. #1 is not the case because of what happens next. Wave takes a break from the thread, and comes back with: And then he proceeds to tunnel the fuck out of Yamato. Gone are his suspicions of basically everyone in the thread. Gone are his suspicions of me and Xatalos. Gone is everything in his filter except lynch Yamato. This sudden switch from "suspicious of everyone" to "lynch Yamato!!!!" 1.5 hours before the deadline is terribly scummy, and I think Wave is our best shot for tomorrow. SO many things wrong with this, but I'll get to it after I'm done. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:30 Hapahauli wrote: Wave When he re-enters the thread when suspicions start being pushed, he first votes Yamato. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=61#1205 Now this post spends a lot of time talking about nothing. Talks about how he thinks Rayn is town but is tempted to lynch him for being annoying, talks about not wanting to lynch myself or Rayn, then finally moves onto his Yamato vote. 66% of this post is poitnless and has nothing to do with why Yamato is scum. This strikes me as very suspicious, but we haven't gotten to the main evidence int his case yet. Anyway, after he votes Yamato, look at the amount of people he is about to call scum in the ensuing discussion: That's a selection from pages 5-6 of his filter. I'd recommend you all take a look through it. The guy calls myself, Jat, Damdred, Xatalos, and VA suspicious, all while antagonizing Rayn. So there are two possible explanations for this: 1) He is a townie involved and trying to figure out the game. 2) He is scum trying to spread suspicion on everything. #1 is not the case because of what happens next. Wave takes a break from the thread, and comes back with: And then he proceeds to tunnel the fuck out of Yamato. Gone are his suspicions of basically everyone in the thread. Gone are his suspicions of me and Xatalos. Gone is everything in his filter except lynch Yamato. This sudden switch from "suspicious of everyone" to "lynch Yamato!!!!" 1.5 hours before the deadline is terribly scummy, and I think Wave is our best shot for tomorrow. Actually no, you know what? On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, so 1.5h to go. Who the fuck are we lynching? Have a look at my filter again Hapa. Where did I take a break from thread again? And I'd also like to know how picking a scummy target and sticking with it when close to deadline is scummy. I'd REALLY like to know. While you're working on that I'ma read Damdred. | ||
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The 'suspicions' you mentioned from pages 5-6 of my filter? (in no particular order) a) I had a townread on rayn the entire time I was 'antagonizing' him b) the quote about JAT is a reference to our last game together and a joke. It should have been pretty fucking obvious if you'd look through the entirety of my filter that nowhere do I EVER suspect JAT c) I respect Prome's reads a great deal. if it was him making a read on you it means I should go have a look back. I don't see anything wrong with that at all d) Xat was/is suspcious. end of story e) VA is VA Particularly egregious are the first couple points. The fact that you'd try and lump those into some idea of me 'throwing shit around' is completely ridiculous and looks like you're just trying to fit things into a weak scumread of me that barely exists. I didn't originally think the case you made against rayn was terrible, just that you were wrong, but now that you've done one against me? It's fucking terrible. You're not terrible. Like honestly hapa what is with you this game? | ||
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Pretty fucking simple if you ask me. The 'who are we lynching' was meant because the thread had no aim at the time. If you look at the post directly before i left the thread I talked about consolidation then too. Since my vote is on yamato, and the thread had no aim, I started pushing everyone towards my strongest scumread, yamato. Is that not completely fucking obvious to everyone? Am I in the fucking twilight zone here? | ||
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I'm debating whether or not to bother. I'm not going anywhere tonight so it';s not really time sensitive. I'm going to wait for two things: 1) NKs 2) For someone in this thread to pick up on it. And this other person probably should have picked up on it by now if I'm only just realizing it. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:46 Hapahauli wrote: I already did. Wasn't antagonizing rayn, look at our conversation around that time when he responded to me? Was I making things worse? I also didn't call 5-6 people mafia. I had suspicion on something like 3-4, which is a MASSIVE difference to me since I am almost ALWAYS unsure of my own scumreads. Your case holds absolutely no water Hapa, it is horribly weak and obviously wrong. The question then becomes, why? | ||
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Entirely by PoE the rest of scum has to be within Onegu/VA/Damdred (unless we start delving into Shadow game shenannies territory and it's too early for that). I'd prefer lynching VA so far I think, simply because Onegu is a coinflip and I just can't ever seem to read damdred and I won't lynch him without doing so. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:53 Hapahauli wrote: You had "suspicion" on a lot more than 3-4. And if your interpreting your actions to be anything other than antagonizing Rayn, I find that laughable. You spend more time in your post that voted yamato talking about Rayn and how you were thinking about lynching him for being annoying. As for you always being unsure of your own scumreads - I will read some of your town games. I find it rediculous how many people you can call suspicious after dropping a vote on someone though. I don't care what you find ridiculous. I did not have suspicion on more than that. You're blatantly ignoring my explanation if you think so. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:52 justanothertownie wrote: Wut? Surely you will have time to read damdred at some point before the lynch?! Of course. What? I only mean based on what I've read (or haven't lol) I wouldn't currently lynch him. | ||
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Because I haven't read him | ||
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HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE ME SCUM | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:01 Hapahauli wrote: Hm well atleast I was right about Rayn Now who to vote... Bring it Hapa. If you need me to tear your shitty case apart any further I'd be happy to oblige since it's still early in the day. | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:04 Hapahauli wrote: Nah I changed my mind on you. I'm thinking Damdred or VA. Good, then maybe I can actually devote some time to Damdred. Let's join forces for now, hmm? ##Vote: VayneAuthority Turtle/GB I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the NK and Rayn | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:13 turtlevine wrote: It was GB's idea, he didn't even explain why KSC was scum, or even mention the read in our Mason QT. I just felt like given that we might potentially both die, I have an obligation to write a case for him since he couldn't be around to write it himself. I did what I could! I'm sure he'll show up shortly with an even better case. lol wtf | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:17 Xatalos wrote: Well here go my current thoughts in a quick summary: Masons: GB, turtlevine Probably town / not scum at least (possible SK?): Hapa, yamato, WOS, KSC Lynch candidates: VA, Damdred, Onegu Onegu was added to lynch candidates because his lurking is disturbing and his push on rayn was suspicious considering that he *should* be good at reading rayn, but he didn't really add much to the rayn case and disappeared for the lynch. And now to sleep. Onegu says a lot of things. | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote: ill get this out of the way and claim then since it will make the game considerably easier imo. im a jack of all trades, have the option to cop check, roleblock, or watch some one. Can only use 2 of the three. Last night I RB'ed damdred so he cant be the SK, but could be the mafia that didnt turn in the kill. Will probably use my cop check tomorrow on some one else but I dont think it will matter Nope. No fucking way. Purely from a role standpoint this doesn't make any sense. JoaT and JK AND confirmed (to each other) masons? Unless this isn't a normal game (which I'm fairly sure it is?) it's simply not possible. Not to mention claiming now makes absolutely no fucking sense. | ||
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Ok, whatever. WHAT ABOUT THE 876758759 OTHER TIMES Shitty cases on purpose Hapa. That's about the only thing that's coming to mind when I'm reading this stuff. Who writes shitty cases on purpose? You know what? Fuck it. Not holding out any longer. Hapa is probably SK. Wanted Rayn to talk to me about it since he was the one who originally noticed Hapa not being himself but this explanation fits perfectly. He's playing town-like but NOT his town self. Good enough to fool most people, especially around lynch time because he can lynch scum for free. Probably wouldn't bother mentioning this except since we didn't mislynch D1, so SK still can't afford to kill scum right now and is going to have to target one of us tomorrow night, making it essentially an extra KP against us. | ||
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Went through his entire fucking past history on TL because this apologizing bullshit is getting to me. Not going to post examples of all of this apology stuff because all you have to do is look into his filter from any of those games (or this one) to find what I'm talking about. Or look at mine bringing up examples in this game. Showdown Mafia Apologies: 5 posts out of ~40 (2 page filter) IV Titanic Mini Apologies: 4 posts out of ~ 80 (4 page filter) Notes: Can't decide whether to call posts like these apologies or not On July 26 2014 02:48 Damdred wrote: Your right I have tunneled you at this point so i'm going to disengage but will answer any questions you pose to me I might take another look at you when I am not so tunneled but can't atm I think I will. Noir Mini 2 Apologies: 6 posts out of ~30 (1.5 page filter) LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 Apologies: SO fucking many Neat and Tidy Apologies: 4-5 out of ~80 (4 pages) He's only got one scumgame so this meta-analysis may not offer me as much as I would have liked. I think the context is somewhat important here as obviously the harder Damdred is under the gun in a game (Noir mini being a good example i think) the more he feels forced to apologize for random things. (He has a small filter in that game. I suggest reading it---he basically apologizes for everything throughout). Storm Mafia 2 is another example of a game with a monstrous number of apologies, and Damdred did end up getting mislynched after being under suspicion a fair amount throughout the game. In Damdred's sole scumgame, he doesn't do a whole lot of apologizing (but then again it seems he didn't have to do a whole lot of anything in that game aside from some weird role-related stuff). (Damdred you are free to correct any factual mistakes you feel I have made---this shit was NOT easy and I could have missed stuff) What's important though in the end is the comparison to this game and where the apologies are and why. This game (I will actually link the apology-type posts): + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2014 23:18 Damdred wrote: Yamato is always mafia until he posts and shows he isn't. You guys are right though, my posts do look a little downplay I guess my sarcasm was not really getting across especially in the post about being scum read for not being awkward. On August 23 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: I actually do not like this post at all. You discredit what i'm saying because its rehashed? Ok, yes there was talk in the thread earlier about Xata giving rayn scum points for not posting during his usual down time but why is me asking if his opinion changed since then a rehash? In fact I learned from this line of question that his opinon had changed a bit since then so no that part wasn't a rehash. In fact a good bit in my post wasn't talked about and when are questions ever a bad thing? Maybe you are right about my analysis of JAT for why he is town currently i've only ever played one game other than this with him and watched one scum game, but for the reasons I listed he seems towny for me so i'll stand behind that. Also I have other posts than these that could look scummy or towny, this post just seems really nit picky, not sure what you are gaining or trying to learn by this post. On August 23 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote: Well then help me see it if i'm wrong about wave i'm wrong but i won't to understand why On August 23 2014 02:43 Damdred wrote: Yea I know thats why i instantly retracted....instead of remembering about the mason connection I instead jumped on the backtracking by xat. I don't think sometimes It's not the retracting that's important here, it's the apologizing for not thinking On August 23 2014 04:32 Damdred wrote: Seriously why are you lying about me Ray, nobody said the stuff about GB that I did (who cares if GB is town was still new content), I made a case about WoS slow pushing a wagon onto me without committing to it nobody had posted about that for sure. I tried to get into a discussion with Xata about his reads earlier and while the things about you sleeping were talked about before hand, I still got updated information out of Xata rather than the old rehashed read people were ripping him for. And we got to the GB stuff and talked about wave a bit. While I am covering what comes to mind, I say all of this to end with. Why are you making generalized statements that aren't true? Its truly scum motivated to get someone who is atleast commenting in the thread lynched over a lie....so i'm just confused I guess On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions. On August 23 2014 08:40 Damdred wrote: Honestly though I'm probably being paranoid and dumb. But its just a weird coincidence that right when thread mentality is shifting against rayn hap shows up to blast him with a case (fitst post) I'm not sure what hapas activity level usuallt is but it is just weird. and then everyone sheeps it feels off to me On August 23 2014 09:00 Damdred wrote: Glad to see your putting in the work rayn 100% better job and sheepable but I'm in a pissy mood so I'm goibg to walk away. Also yea that post with the way the thread was going made me suspicious but I'm sure some of it is paranoia ill read your filter when i get home On August 24 2014 02:01 Damdred wrote: Theres three or four people in the thread that say that I always dissapear during important topics. Its really frustrating I really can't be here 24/7 but when i'm here I do talk about whatever is going on or things that I see are important. On August 24 2014 02:26 Damdred wrote: Yea yea yea, I backdown because you seemed more town than you did earlier in the day and I don't think you are on the table for lynch anyway. I'm ok with being wrong about someone and saying why i'm wrong but yea a lot of the stuff you posted earlier in the day was scummy to me, just the stuff you posted recently make sense and seem towny. I don't see what the problem is On August 24 2014 04:43 Damdred wrote: Yea I didn't mean for that to come off pissy I was being sarcastic/joking there last night since me and hapa talked about timing last night On August 24 2014 06:40 Damdred wrote: Yea we play day one differently I try to have converstaions and get information but I look for scummy stuff and try to comment on it, I guess I don't normally put survival as the highest asset going into day one usually. Some of Yamatos posts seem to have actual thoughts behind them and trying to do something that just doesn't seem like what i've seen in some of his scum games. I mean yes an easy vote could get scum just as easily as it could miss just because they don't fight the lynch doesn't automatically make them scum. On August 24 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote: ##Vote Xatalos This just feels like a mislynch on yamato being pushed. Xatalos feels the most scummy in the whole thread maybe he is town and i'm totally misreading him (again) but I don't like this lynch On August 24 2014 09:12 Damdred wrote: Ok I understand what you are saying now JAT. I do not think that Yamato is mafia this game, this is mainly experienced based with him so I could be dead wrong granted. Most of his posts have had some thought behind it and look more like his other town games I have been with him in rather than the game I played with him when we were mafia together. His posts there were empty and mostly taunted people, here he hasn't really taunted he has had thoughts about Rayn, wave granted he didn't give a bigger read but he did give an initial one which is more than a lot of the time he does in scum games. And a huge point in Xatas lynch of him is that he isn't fighting he just gives up and dies which he hasn't done he has been back into the thread and has made other posts even though they haven't been as constructive as I would like it still seems more like town yamato to me. Hapas post on Xata is pretty good I will admit but something just seems off about Xata this game. He is never this certain about stuff like this day one. I've said most of this before but hes slung stuff and defended people posts later, hes exaggerated things in certain posts when earlier he said the opposite and then goes back. Totally sheeped hapas case on Rayn without even questioning his abscense or the validity of the case, and for someone who was super happy to have confirmed town didn't even notice the GB part of the post until someone else pointed it out. He hoped around from target to target until he found one (yamato) that he could get traction on and push. So yea hes scummy to me On August 25 2014 00:01 Damdred wrote: Your right i do its hard for me to write how i want. from the phone but i try to make do I think I may have to continue this in another post. Conclusions on this section: Holy fuck Damdred apologizes for his play a shit fucking ton. Purely based on meta numbers alone I'd call him town but there are some confounding factors such as the size of his filter in this game as well has how hard people have been attacking him. I would actually argue that Damdred hasn't been under as much pressure in this game so far as he has when apologizing in other games, plus there is something else I'm about to bring up. TO be continued | ||
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I don't know the context of all the other times he was being accused (either wrongfully or rightfully) but in this game he actually gets angry at certain accusations brought against him which he has NEVER done in ANY other game thus far. There's probably a couple more decent examples as well. JAT apparently picked up on it too: On August 24 2014 04:41 justanothertownie wrote: You seem to be very pissed this game. Why this game? Why has he decided to get angry here instead of backing down completely? It could be a few things imo: 1) Rayn - He just has that effect on people to be completely honest and this one is possible for town OR scum I think 2) He is neither town NOR scum - Doubt this, Hapa fits the bill way better 3) He truly believes he is horribly misrepresented enough in this game to get mad for the FIRST time in his career on TL. 4) He is scum fighting crazy hard not to be lynched when it wasn't really necessary. I believe option #3 to be the most likely scenario as it is not only the simplest, but the one that makes the most sense. Truth be told there probably is some effect of option #1 involved with #3, but the fact remains he has been mislynched before and not fought this hard when I am SURE his actions and intentions have been misinterpreted before. When you get mislynched it is basically required for people to say untrue/unfair things about you. #4 is tempting to be honest, but he didn't come even close to fighting like this in his scumgame (it was done with claims and whatnot), and it doesn't make any sense for a scummer to try and fight that hard that early when the lynch was nowhere near him at all. As far as Damdred's content goes, there ARE some ugly things in it. The stuff I brought up earlier about him not having much original content in the early game (note: that doesn't mean NO original content), the timely entrances/exits of the thread---but if you read the second half of D1 onward he is genuinely putting effort forward as the day goes on just looks like he cares. Stuff like this where he is questioning content very well: On August 24 2014 02:43 Damdred wrote: I disagree strongly Xatalos, if I understand the context of the thread Yamato was 100% being allowed to lurk with no pressure put on him. Thats how he scums and Rayn brought attention we just didn't talk about it. It's not begging at all. Also I don't read the Oneg case the same at all I think it is lacking 100% he showed two quotes maybe three at most....from an 11 page filter? And you think thats a good case and is sheepable? I don't think Damdred is scum and at the very LEAST I would not lynch him today over VA. Especially with that godawful claim. | ||
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On August 25 2014 12:31 yamato77 wrote: Wave thinks Hapa is weird. I'm kind of inclined to agree. People sheep Hapa's cases but honestly he's not pushing them very hard himself. Town Hapa is a leader, and I'm not really getting that vibe from him this game. If Hapa and I were both town, wouldn't he be interacting more with me directly? I ask him a direct question about a player and he doesn't even quote my post. He is seemingly avoiding what I say, and, in fact, his switch off me at the deadline came after I called him 100% mafia. Very odd to say the least. lol wow. I was going to post a little while ago something like 'just waiting for yamato to come back and go full ham on me' but you surprised me. Especially since you are the only one to comment on what I said about hapa thus far. | ||
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On August 25 2014 12:30 GlowingBear wrote: LOL Wave, are you really wasting your time to see if his apologies are a common trend? Hahahahaha I fuckig love you already What does this mean? Did you read what I wrote? | ||
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Going to have a cursory look. You were town in that one as well I assume? | ||
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On August 25 2014 21:59 GlowingBear wrote: WoS did you did my brief analysis of the night kill? Yes. The only thing I'd add is that Rayn is a more likely SK kill if the SK is one of the people who voted on Robik because if the SK is basking in towncred, he can kill whoever he wants for reasons like killing thread activity and like you said, avoiding mafia kill overlap---not killing confirmed town doesn't matter if he's all but confirmed town himself. On August 25 2014 22:11 yamato77 wrote: I'm not at all convinced that VA is lying. He is exactly the type of player to play this way. Unfortunately this is true, but everything together still adds up to Va scum. Do you disagree with stuff I and others have brought up so far? | ||
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On August 25 2014 23:12 yamato77 wrote: I said VA looked bad before, but honestly he's capable of switching up his play as any alignment, so meta is unfortunately useless. He could be claiming the truth. There's also a world where he's mafia JOAT, but I don't know how much I buy into that. Masons + JK + JOAT isn't OP for town, especially given SK + upgraded GF. Perhaps we have other blues claim if there are any? Otherwise I'm inclined to not lynch VA. What? What do you mean upgraded gf? And why the hell would it ever be a good idea for other blues to claim right now? | ||
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On August 25 2014 23:28 yamato77 wrote: If we want a "safe" lynch, I'd rather go for Onegu, but if any of you have balls, we should get a wagon rolling on Hapa. ##Vote: Hapahauli And also how is onegu a safe lynch? He is a 50/50 shot at best, unless there's something you can tell me about him. | ||
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On August 26 2014 00:30 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont know if anyone has brought this up but rayn was a very strange night kill, and he said he was going to cop check hapa yesterday. So that is another piece to the puzzle. Sorry for multiple posts I'm phoneposting atm A much as I am loathe to listen here, Va brings up a good point. I mean, it's obvious deflection and completely non alignment indicative from him, and adding extra points where it's completely unnecessary, but it does show a little thought from VA. | ||
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On August 26 2014 00:35 VayneAuthority wrote: onegu is a safe lynch because he hasn't even come back after the lynch, probably just gave up. This game is incredibly easy at this point but people want to make it difficult for whatever reason. I don't mind dying though I at least semi confirmed damdred. Actually it's particularly interesting that Onegu suspected Rayn last before he fucked off---I'm pretty sure nobody expected him to die, least of all scum so as scum it's a 'safe' target to leave suspicion on. Now that Rayn flipped Onegu actually looks worse than I thought. Also VA the fact that you think that was a good use of your role is pretty hilarious | ||
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On August 26 2014 00:16 GlowingBear wrote: Killing is good but identifying the SK is nearly impossible. He is just a mafia without partners. He will probably try to kill mafia so he won't get shot. Mafia will try to kill townies that are right on their reads or, if people are too dumb, they will try to kill SK so they won't take the risk of getting killed. Let them both chase themselves. Just scum hunt for alignment indicative posts. The fact is, scum hunting with the help of the flip is better than being incapable of doing associations with the flip (SK case) This analysis is off. SK absolutely would not kill mafia at this point in the game since they're outnumbered. Mafia AND SK both have to deal with you and turtle, so why the hell would SK aim for scum? Also I can certainly tell you mafia do NOT necessarily kill townies who are right on their reads. Look what my scumteam did last game where we N1 killed kush who was COMPLETELY off with ALL of his reads and it worked in our favour. I'm honestly not completely sold on who we should kill today and why. Removing an extra KP is fairly tempting but I can't say I feel as good about hapa as SK as I do about VA scum, and now maybe Onegu as well. | ||
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On August 26 2014 00:43 VayneAuthority wrote: well you have to look at it from my perspective I looked pretty scummy but no way in hell did i think people would just start piling on me immediately with no thought, so I thought i would get my 2nd night action off easily. But this put me in a weird situation. if you just look at it from a timelined point of view then it is fine. if you look at it from specifically WTF hes getting lynched why he use that shitty ability? then obviously it looks stupid The FUCK are you talking about? How does waiting do get your 2nd night action off have anything to do with anything at all? It's pretty fucking obvious that your first night action should be some sort of check anyway as it's simply THE BEST OPTION. It has no bearing on 'timeline' or anything. ESPECIALLY since we lynched GF. | ||
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On August 26 2014 01:00 yamato77 wrote: VA isn't the best town player of all time, Wave. His claim makes sense if you realize that he's playing the game as a solo player basically as a town aligned person. At least his action is consistent with his reads from the previous day. Onegu is a much better lynch than him IMO. He is likely mafia given his inactivity and his poor reads. He also doesn't seem to be making a return, so at worst we lynch the modkill and stall for time, something that is relatively precious in a 2KP/night world. OR we could make DA BIG PLAYS and lynch Hapa. Like I said, this requires a pair, but it promises to be amazing. I can't tell if I like or don't like that I'm not angry at you anymore. Gonna go with like. BEEG PLAYZ so tempting. We still have a lot of day left to go so for now my vote sits. Also I'd like to see what hapa himself has to say about today's lynch since: On August 25 2014 09:30 Hapahauli wrote: So here's the pool of players that are up for lynch tomorrow: Xatalos Wave Damdred Vayne Onegu Kelsier Everyone else is either confirmed town (GB/Turtle), likely town from the lynch (Yamato, JAT) or mentally unstable and probably town (Rayn). So here's where I stand on these players. I think Xatalos is likely town. I've mentioned a lot on Xatalos already, but overall, the lynch yesterday seemed like it was between two townies until Robik got last minute hammered. If you look where Robik's vote was parked, you can see he wasn't very concerned about "saving one of his scumbuddies". Rather, he was blending in. The vote count in general also really points to it being a town-v-town lynch before the last-minute stuff: A lot of fragmented votes, and it should be pretty clear that one wagon isn't being heavily pushed (which should be the case in a scum v. town lynch). Therefore, it's likely Xatalos is town with Yamato. Even if you don't like meta stuff, I think this is pretty solid evidence. As for Kelsier, I read a lot of what he does as confirmation bias. In his first game on the site, he seems very confident and cocky, which I think is more likely to come from a town player. I don't agree with the way he's approaching the game, but he has had a consistent mentality throughout the game. Onegu is null. He just hasn't posted nearly enough for me to make a read on him. Good cop check here. I think our mafia is between Wave, Damdred, and Vayne, in order of confidence. His top two most confident scumreads at the time are likely not getting lynched. The inclusion of VA in the original case here seemed weak, not to mention the entirety of case on Damdred to begin with was super weak. He seemed real happy to park on VA. I want to hear explanations on all of it. | ||
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On August 26 2014 01:51 turtlevine wrote: what do you mean, scum didn't kill rayn? how did he die then, if not via scum? You think a vigi shot him? Dude. | ||
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On August 26 2014 01:59 turtlevine wrote: Letting GB play the game for me has worked amazingly well so far, I see no reason to stop. 2 scum are dead and it's D2. As my uncle used to say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Then again, he was an alcoholic and beat his kids, so who knows if that guy was trustworthy. So are you claiming Vigi or do you not have some reason to believe scum isn't behind the rayn kill What the fuck? This is the face I am making right now in all honesty. | ||
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On August 26 2014 02:07 turtlevine wrote: Yes... obviously. WoS seems to be saying that it was NOT made by scum, which is why I'm asking him. What the fuck are you talking about? The second kill was not made by scum, it was made by SK. Are you arguing semantics right now? | ||
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On August 26 2014 02:07 turtlevine wrote: Yes... obviously. WoS seems to be saying that it was NOT made by scum, which is why I'm asking him. And how is 1 scum dead obviously when you just said 2 were dead? What is wrong with you? | ||
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On August 26 2014 02:11 turtlevine wrote: So... I guess on TL people use "Scum" to mean "Mafia" rather than "anti-town". When I'm talking about mafia, I'll just say mafia or scumteam. When I'm talking about scum, I'll say scum. Why have the word if it means the same as mafia? Because in the English language, different words can have similar or the same meaning. These words are called synonyms. This has been today's English lesson with WaveofShadow | ||
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What would it have meant if what I said DID mean scum or SK didn't shoot Rayn? That an unclaimed vigi did so? Because that would be pretty fucking stupid. And also I'd still like to hear how in the world you thought 2 scum were dead, either meaning welcome. | ||
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On August 26 2014 02:14 turtlevine wrote: You would have been claiming Vigi, either as a real vigi or an SK pretending to be one. 2 scum are dead because we're lynching VA today, who is obviously scum. He's even more obviously scum if you're actually the vig since there's no way we'd have both a vigi and a joat. lol and this is where somebody Mocsta-claims to get VA lynched and the thread devolves even further. No, I was not claiming vigi; if there was a vigi the claim should have been done immediately. I wasn't even considering this until you brought it up, and now you've essentially given Hapa (or Onegu?) an out. Let's see if they take it. | ||
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On August 26 2014 02:55 turtlevine wrote: Not sure why youd make that mistake. how could he even be confirmed scum in this situation? I don't even Says the guy who says 2 scum are dead | ||
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On August 26 2014 03:45 Hapahauli wrote: Anyway, as for Vayne, there's a pretty easy way to tell if he's town or mafia. We have 2 masons and a Jailkeeper confirmed. Vayne is claiming JOAT. I think the likelyhood of there being another blue is pretty low. If another blue claims, Vayne is probably mafia. Discuss. I think asking for blues to claim when we're already pretty damn sure VA is mafia is scummy (or anti-town, so as not to confuse turtlevine) as all hell. Also enjoy the fact that you haven't bothered to address SK suspicions on yourself in any way. Ladies and gents, I think we have this game. Hapa/Onegu/VA ftw | ||
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On August 26 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote: Why the hell would I address SK suspicions? It's paranoid nonsense, and I'm surprised that so many people are buying into it. For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself. I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations. Alright let's assume your Rayn case was actually good and not shit, as Rayn says. What's your excuses for the shitty cases on me and Damdred? Why do you back down immediately when resistance is shown? Why haven't any of your cases been able to hold any water to the point where people should continually be following them? I also don't think anyone ever questioned whether you were playing in a survivalist manner, either. I know I didn't. Of course you can play super town on D1. You can play super town all you want and not play survivalist at all when you know there's only one other KP and it's not likely to be directed at you when there are, say, two confirmed townies in the game and a hell of a lot more strong townies. As far as your 'deified' towngame goes, you can ignore the meta stuff people are throwing at you whee we say 'this isn't like town Hapa' if you wish, but the fact remains, as supertown as you think you are, there are still glaring issues with your play. | ||
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On August 26 2014 04:01 Xatalos wrote: I agree with that point about pushing rayn. Btw I disagree with there being no difference between town/SK play... rayn was *very* different, passive/careful, as SK in one of the Titanic games. I've been shot N1 as 3P before for being way too towny and scaring the hell out of scum. Hapa's got a very nice balance imo and a lot of townier people to soak shots before scum would think of targeting him. | ||
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On August 26 2014 04:07 Hapahauli wrote: You still haven't answered my question. Let's assume I'm SK for a moment: why wouldn't I play completely normally and make sense? I haven't played a serious game in a long time. If you're expecting me to be at the top of my game, well... that's flattering but pretty doubtful. Regardless, apparently I'm on my game enough to have my vote on mafia at the end of Day 1. Maybe you're right and you would play completely normally and make sense, except then of course scum would have you as a primary target, which I believe I already pointed out. Want to answer my questions? If you're not playing completely normally and not making sense as you say yourself, then why, if you're town? | ||
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On August 26 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote: This is honestly the most retarded discussion I've had in this game. And I"ve argued with JAT on Day 1. Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him. We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia. Because there's not a whole lot else to do. Do you want to lynch anyone outside of Onegu/VA? If so, why? If not, then stop bitching. | ||
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The thing is, GB's analysis can fit with ours as well. Can you come up with another narrative to add on to his? Again, is there something else we should be doing right now? | ||
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On August 26 2014 04:32 Hapahauli wrote: Now on the topic of finding mafia: is this a good idea or not? If not, I see a lot of people suddenly calling Onegu mafia. Why is he anything but a coinflip? He's not much more than a flip. There's a little bit of stuff regarding his stuff on rayn if you'd care to read, but otherwise I fail to see where we'd be lynching outside of those I mentioned. And as far as lies claiming goes, no its not a good idea as we only have one more. Is there a reason we need a blue claim right now that you can see when we're likely lynching VA as is? I'm out for a while. | ||
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On August 26 2014 06:35 KelsierSC wrote: I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK. Because top town consider va scum too? The fuck? Why does it or SHOULD it have anything to do with what he thinks of hapa? | ||
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On August 26 2014 06:41 KelsierSC wrote: The point is the moment you decided to switch onto VA the topic of discussion was mostly about Hap being the SK. Which you had in your notes and which the top town believed to be true. You pointed out some reasons why the claim might be genuine. then hapa made another point about VA and you said "oh yeh VA is probably the lynch" And I just can't get my head around your logic. Hapa pushes for VA and you jump on it despite the fact that you defended the claim to an extent, and the top town believe Hapa is off. Read the thread again bro and look at when I voted for va. | ||
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On August 26 2014 07:33 turtlevine wrote: If VA is getting lynched anyways, there's no reason to CC And this is what I've been saying for ages. It actually might make sense to look at the people who think it's a good idea.... | ||
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On August 26 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote: At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles. Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read. read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum. Once again, I don't see how you can pick and choose like that. I am also pushing VA. Why is it scummy for them to do so and not for me to? Why is it just because they are voting for someone that immediately it is a bad lynch? | ||
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On August 26 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote: That claim sucks. He says he wasted his roleblock and nullifies his cop heck and track because mafia probably have a roleblocker. Tbh I think it's impossible that they don't have it. Nothing is ok on that claim. I'll lynch him without second thoughts and if he flips blue I will blame him for bad play. By the way ##Vote: VayneAuthority You're not a smurf, right? 'Cause I am consistently impressed with your play and attitude----it meshes really well somehow with people who have been playing here for years. Yamato just because you feel like being ballsy doesn't mean hapa is necessarily the right lynch. | ||
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How are we not discussing a second wagon? Onegu has been talked about, Hapa has been talked about to death, hell even Xat has been talked about. I really don't get the complaining, first from turtle now from you. What would you rather we be doing? | ||
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On August 26 2014 12:32 Damdred wrote: Ok, In three posts I have said what I would rather do in two of them I was more sarcastic then was necessary granted. These are the things that I think we should spend some time with over the next 20 hours or so of gameplay. 1) We should look at the people who are in direct opposition of the VA lynch, you yourself Wave suggested this (not sure if you were being joking or not) but it is an excellent idea. If we are so sure that VA is scum then it is a good idea to see who opposes the idea of a VA lynch. 2) We need real answers from Hap about some of the things mentioned in the thread prior to his reappearance and subsequent disappearance in the thread. As far as I can tell (corrections are welcome) hapa laughed all of the suspicion off or said he was rusty. Once hap pushed the VA claim again the pressure on him lessened to answer anything and the thread went back to talking about the claim and Hap subsequently left. 3) Talking about Oneg must happen at some point an indepth talk not just throw away votes or a lesser wagon like he is now. There are a myriad of reasons that he is scummy at this point in the game. He came into the thread admitted he didn't read much but filter died Rayn and said he was an expert at Rayn reading said he was scummy in a horrible case peace'd out and he has been allowed to lurk since then for what 72 hours? That is unacceptable especially since he is admittedly not reading the thread at this point. If you compare his scum games to his town games, which I have started to do this looks a lot closer to what he was doing in N&T rather than some games he replaced in or was town in previously. These are what I would be happy to talk about for the next 20 hours or so, and yes I understand that talking bout point one would include myself. And this post was the most annoying to get through my phone died and then froze as i was posting twice but i got it through yay On August 26 2014 07:40 WaveofShadow wrote: And this is what I've been saying for ages. It actually might make sense to look at the people who think it's a good idea.... 1) No, if you'd read I was saying it would be a good idea to look at those who think it's a good idea to counterclaim even though we're already lynching VA. Were you one of those, Damdred? 2) Hapa answered the questions as well as I believe he is going to answer them. I'm sort of unsure as to how you can further pressure him right now without actually garnering a leading wagon on him, which in all likelihood will not happen. I in no way bought any of his answers and still believe him to be the most likely SK candidate, but I am not as sure about Hapa not being town as i am about VA not being town. I have stated this already. I lynch VA a lot. I know him pretty damn well. See You Only Shoot Once mafia if you'd like an example. 3) What kind of in-depth talk can you have about a guy who is going to be fucking modkilled for not posting/voting and has barely a page of filter to his name? If you want to talk, go ahead and talk; nobody is stopping you from doing so. But much like yamato earlier in the game, all I see is bitching and complaining about the state of things without any effort to change them. I'll start you off---Onegu has lurked/fucked off in both town and scum games, both of which he has many. He also may very well have a legitimate reason for fucking off, as he has quite a tumultuous family life. | ||
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On August 26 2014 12:52 GlowingBear wrote: Oh I was writing and my battery died I think Turtlevine is influenced by things we discuss in the thread. There is no orders given and he doesn't really need to think like me as we aren't hydra. I think we may have a compatibility of reads. Now, I don't think it's a good time. Why would they? To make more certain VA is mafia? Then they get killed night 2. Awful trade. Although I HAVE to admit that VA's claim could be legit. The timing doesn't fit with mafia motivation (he was under a little, but too little pressure to fake claim, and it would confirm him town, so townies wouldn't waste their times trying to read him), and his skills fits with the existence of a Godfather role and its role PM. But the usage of skills is AWFUL and him nullifying his other skills by letting him die/being roleblocked is an awful play. It just fits a role that was built by mafia so they don't get questioned when they can't use their skills. Well technically many claims made by mafia could be covered up (ie cop check on Rayn for example) but I personally think the idea of JoaT with JK and confirmed masons is OP and impossible. As for Vayne's role use----his role use as town actually IS known to be fucking terrible (see I swear this is normal mini where Vayne did some absolutely retarded shit after getting a KP midgame for example). I don't think that's enough to give me pause however. | ||
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On August 26 2014 13:04 Damdred wrote: I guess then i have nothing worth talking about so ill just go away now. And honestly I've stood by my not lynching into an un ccd blue and i won't move from that. so i guess ill come back to vote later then Don't go all emo on me. If you think there's something to discuss, go ahead and say something. On August 26 2014 13:06 GlowingBear wrote: Pretty balanced considering scum has 2 kill points each night and masons are completely powerless to catch mafia. Regarding you second question: not good to claim blue. You seem to like this idea. Why? Hapa is my second target. Btw, hapa, what do you think of lynching VA? If you already answered that, could you ease answer again? I'm going to sleep now. 'Scum' doesn't have 2 KP but I've played games on this forum with SK and I don't think I've ever seen a combination this strong. I would expect JK/some kind of cop or vig/mason. I seem to like this idea because a lot of people are bluefishing at a time where it's not necessary, and blatantly so. Damdred, Hapa and yamato are all doing it I believe. I actually don't mind yamato's answers on the subject as he seemed pretty damn confident when I bothered him. Damdred is just doing his usual thing of sheeping along with the idea of 'hey bad we shouldn't lynch uncced blue' and I forget what hapa said atm. | ||
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On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote: I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game. LOL It's hilarious and true Well the Oats part. You haven't fucked up nearly as often as he has and I know you're a very capable scum player who doesn't just forget to do shit. | ||
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On August 26 2014 13:19 VayneAuthority wrote: i dont get lynched often so I panic at the sight of slightly being lynched http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/415754-i-swear-this-is-normal-mini-mafia this game is a good example. im the cop here and everyone starts piling on me so I claim cop very early so we have time to figure out the correct lynch. I want to see if Hapa remembers that game because there were a lot of other factors involved, such as the fact that you could get protection from the mayor. (Fuck I'm still sad I smurfslipped. I should try smurfing again in a game) Not to mention you actually actively participated in that game and in this one you have maybe 3 posts worth of real content that isn't defending yourself or useless. | ||
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GB what the fuck are you doing? It's sad when Xat is actually the one making the most sense in thread. Traps are fucking stupid because they never set out to do what they're supposed to. On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote: I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine. But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things: 1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time 2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you. Considering you're arguing with the king of confirmation bias in thread right now, why would you not consider that neither your 1) or 2) are right? You're ruling out a whole bunch of mafia activity possibilities when YOU YOURSELF said: E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. I already brought up this example but in Heavyweights we killed a towny N1 who was COMPLETELY WRONG on ALL THREE of his scumreads at the time and we came out ahead. Trying to base NK speculation solely on people's reads is simply bad. KSC has the right of it here, and very obviously so. I get you refuting his post that you analyzed, but how in the hell does that post make him scum exactly, GB? I'm with Xat on this in that he has spent way too much effort and stuck to his horrible heuristics too hard after being constantly scrutinized for them to be scum. Scum would be correcting his play to blend in more than this. Oh and btw Xat: On August 26 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote: I know for sure that I'd be sheeping KSC's views all game as scum. Such an easy ally to gain just by sheeping him. On August 26 2014 20:31 Xatalos wrote: This makes me worry about WOS/Damdred a bit but they'll be another day's worry regardless... This is particularly silly considering I have been the one to push VA for the majority of the day, and have been in various arguments with KSC throughout. How the hell could you think I am trying to 'sheep' KSC, and more importantly, why in the hell of all people, as scum, would I sheep HIM? KSC is right and the lynch WILL be between VA and Onegu, and nobody else. Vote accordingly. | ||
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On August 27 2014 01:44 Damdred wrote: I think you are taking that one quote out of context a bit Wave, he was making fun of KSC always town reading people who agree with his reads. Also i'm going to be out for a bit but i'll finish up reading in a bit. ##Vote Onegu I've read most of his town and mafia games, it just feels more mafia than town but there is always wild swings in his gameplay either way. but feels more like the mafia version. What? That's not what it looked like to me. Especially since you guys all of a sudden seem to be suspicious of me again for whatever reason. I'd recommend being careful if we decide to vote Onegu, btw. If he does get modkilled it comes down to 'do we want to play it safe' or not. We could in theory hit two scum (or SK) today if Onegu is modkilled. For those people still doubting VA, please reread this post On August 26 2014 13:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I want to see if Hapa remembers that game because there were a lot of other factors involved, such as the fact that you could get protection from the mayor. (Fuck I'm still sad I smurfslipped. I should try smurfing again in a game) Not to mention you actually actively participated in that game and in this one you have maybe 3 posts worth of real content that isn't defending yourself or useless. Note (especially you, GB) that VA while claiming early which is supposedly supposed to help town get it out of the way early as he said in that old game actually put forth effort to do things in that game after his terrible claim. Not so here. Also important to note that VA SHOULD KNOW based on that old game that no way in hell was anybody ever going to 'get it out of the way so we can scumhunt.' It's fucked with town most of the day and he needs to burn for it. As I've already said today, I will be voting one of VA/Onegu/maybe Hapa---who, by the way, has done absolutely dick today. I can see no reason to vote what I would call 'secondary targets' (ie Xat/KSC/Damdred if it comes down to it, which it won't) before any of the former. | ||
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On August 27 2014 01:55 Xatalos wrote: I already said that it was stupid to include your name there, WOS, so dunno why you would bring it up again. I didn't bring it up from your recent post, those ones were from earlier---but I digress. Xat did you read the stuff I wrote on VA? You don't find it compelling enough to lynch him? What if Onegu gets modkilled? | ||
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On August 27 2014 01:59 Xatalos wrote: Yeah it's possible that Onegu will just get modkilled. I'll keep my vote on him for now though to encourage him returning to the thread. He could be just scum/SK lurking and returning to vote close to deadline. Hapa's absence is a bit disturbing (just parking his vote on VA, his weakest(?) scumread, and not really playing after that). Still not enough to lynch him today. Solid. I think if Onegu is going to get modkilled then he will, btw, rather than pull some last-second shenannies. Only person I've ever seen do that is gumshoe. As for Hapa, yes I am as well particularly disturbed by his lack of thread presence actually. There is something I'm looking out for however and there's still a few hours left. | ||
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I'd like all the people who think his claim makes sense in ANY way to revisit what I've said as well. Especially GB who is for all intents and purposes throwing his vote away right now. | ||
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Both of you. Like, for shit's sake you even say yourself turtle that the scum motivation is more likely than the town, and instead you sheep GB for his terrible reasons? | ||
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On August 27 2014 02:21 turtlevine wrote: Our goal isn't to punish bad behavior or lynch people for making bad plays. Our goal is to lynch scum. You can say "this guy's play is bad and we should punish him for it", but that's not what we're trying to do here. Policy lynching is stupid. People like saying 'Too scummy to be scum'. People like making a show of competence and virtue. They loudly declare that they use logic and reason to lynch people, that these things are the best. People strut around showing off their reasons and denying those of us who use our guts, each person one-upping the other, claiming their allegiance to the broken system like politicians each claiming to be more folksy than the last. It rings false to me. "Too scummy to be scum" DOES exist. Something about this VA lynch has been gnawing at my gut all day, some intuition is telling me that we're not lynching scum here. It's a certain sense of unease resting on me, and it tells me that we shouldn't lynch him. People agree with me. It's true. You all know that something is wrong about this lynch, but you want to appear logical. You're afraid to go with your gut, because if you're wrong, how can you defend yourself in the post game? IF you use logic and fail, you can blame VA or whoever. But if you use your gut and fail, you look silly. I have no fear of looking silly. All I want is to win. I don't care about the post game. Don't play that game. Play this one. Lynch KSC. And now I know for sure you're not reading the game at all. How in the fuck do you get from my posting on VA that I'm policy lynching him for being stupid? WHY SHOULD WE BE LYNCHING KSC? Do you even KNOW your partner's reasons? Done with you. | ||
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On August 27 2014 02:28 turtlevine wrote: I'm saying that you're claiming to be lynching VA for good reasons, but you're mostly doing it because 1) youre KSC's scumbuddy (this is one prevailing theory in the mason qt), or 2) you're too tied up by your show of logical thinking to realize that VA is town. You can apologize to me after KSC flips scum. So of all of the people in the thread, you've picked me and KSC as top two scum choices. lol G fucking G can't even begin to deal with this level of stupid. Like...you're essentially ignoring everything everyone has said, screaming KSC is scum, expecting people to follow you FOR NO REASON and most importantly, CALLING ME SCUM FOR ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME WHEN YOU'RE NOT. liuegraeibvtyruywa;oetihgae;rgiobakiolgba;jrkEGB | ||
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Please somebody else come into the thread right now and tell me I'm not fucking crazy | ||
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It's like if I replaced into a game on D3, only knowing that I was town, wrote a bunch of names on paper and threw darts at them and said 'HERE SCUM HURR DURR' Like why the fuck should I or anyone else listen to you? Simply because you're town? lol maybe you can get KSC to lynch himself that way because the heuristic seems to work for him. | ||
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Has this entire game gone fucking crazy? Why are there so many people in this game basing so much on unflipped association? Like I'm trying to see a world in which I'm super tunneled on VA for shit reasons and/or disrupting the thread but there's still been no compelling reason I can find in thread not to be voting him right now, AND YET NOBODY IS. SO many people just going 'um well, he COULD be scum...butidrathervotethisotherguyoverhere.' I'll be back later, and again unless someone can find me a REALLY good fucking reason not to vote VA, I will be pushing him at deadline. I don't feel like lynching into a modkill ultimately, and Hapa is super risky. | ||
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On August 27 2014 07:48 Xatalos wrote: I think that analysis makes you more town again though. Trying to figure out the game is +++ I'm particularly interested in what the masons have to say about his analysis. Anyway, what a shocker---it's between the three I said and we haven't made any progress. It's time to make up your minds about what kind of a lynch you want tonight, ladies. And yamato, spamming caps and saying 100% Lolol doesn't do shit for me. I'm sick of the '100%' guarantee because it's completely meaningless. | ||
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On August 27 2014 07:55 turtlevine wrote: If Onegu makes a last-minute return to thread to avoid getting modkilled, I vow to vote him on the spot and prevent him from living out this day. Actually planned on posting this and forgot And I don't think I will ever seen Vayne lurk to a modkill? | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:42 Xatalos wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Hapahauli He hasn't really cared about what's happened today and I'm pretty sure yamato is town so I think I'd be willing to risk this. This except for the 'willing to risk' part. I still can't believe nobody is seeing VA's claim for exactly what it is combined with the rest of his play. yamato what happens when/if hapa comes back and fights this? | ||
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BUT I WILL STAY THE COURSE A VOTE FOR VA IS A VOTE FOR SCUM | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:54 KelsierSC wrote: VA is town for me for the rest of the game Claimed at a point he had no reason to He had easier ways to out "I just checked rayn he was suspect." no CC. at this point with almost no one thinking VA is scum anymore if there is no counter claim he has to be real. I actually forgot about the cc. At this point I almost want to suggest a blueclaim but alive blue > dead one, and waiting to cc this late would be terrible. FUCK THIS I WANT TO BE RIGHT | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:59 KelsierSC wrote: WoS, would you say my analysis on VA is incorrect. and that it is better for the real PR not to CC today but just vote on VA. I would say there are certain things I didn't want to talk about in thread for reasons, but I have been considering them all along. And no, this is not me claiming. | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:01 turtlevine wrote: Hey, looks like everyone finally agrees with me about not voting VA! If I end up agreeing, first of all it would be because of the half of your duo actually putting in the work, not you. Second of all if Hapa flips SK I demand credit no matter where my vote ends up. Those are my terms and I accept no substitutes. | ||
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Wait...do you think Hapa is mafia and not SK? | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:08 GlowingBear wrote: I was kidding. Bad timing. I'm not trying to say who is mafia and who is SK, I'm just trying to lynch scum (lato sensu) based on scumread k | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:21 GlowingBear wrote: I... I became? Yes we can, only if hapa flips green Why only if Hapa flips green? | ||
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There is no way Hapa of all people would bus like that as mafia. | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:29 VayneAuthority wrote: alright im caught up with the thread, I like the meta case xatalos produced on hapa. this is my theory anyway Everyone is thinking hapa is the SK because he voted robik, but remember that he was the third vote...not the first or even the second. The perfect vote to blend in and who else would see a lynch like that coming a mile away except a strong player? So he jumps on the inevitable and gets pristine town cred from that. Fast forward People are still paranoid of him and constantly calling him the SK and he is getting pissed at this (unlike him) because his gambit is not paying off for reasons outside of his control. He repeats the weakest players in the thread and then drops his vote on me, annoyed with the game because of how deep in a hole they are now and he didnt even get the cred out of it in the end. Hence why hapa is actually mafia here. Like seriously this whole post is just grasping at weird-ass straws. GB if you're so paranoid JOIN ME ON THE WAGON OF JUSTICE | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:33 GlowingBear wrote: You activated my trap card. Keep your votes on Hapahauli. If he flips mafia, WoS is the first person you should look at SO according to you, I'm scum because I listened to you and am paranoid about being caught lynching a townie? Then why the fuck didn't I switch to Robik last day with everyone else? | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:37 GlowingBear wrote: Yes it flips. If there is any chance of mafia switching their target from a possible partner at the end of the day AND blame someone else for it, that's what they would do. LOL HAPA CANNOT BE MAFIA YOU FUCKING GUY | ||
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Please next time join a game with somebody like marv who can properly call you all morons. | ||
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##Vote: Hapahauli Just in case | ||
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HAHAHAHA SK? | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:51 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHA I bet he is town and is just fucking with us Hapa wouldn't do that...would you? I FUCKING HATE WHEN TOWNIES DO THAT | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:53 Hapahauli wrote: If this is the sort of argument that appeals to you, perhaps you can leave me alive one moar night :3 As much as I <3 u hapa, all the brohugs in the world cannot stave off the wrath of this town now. | ||
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I was SO angry | ||
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FEELS SO GOOD What the actual fuck? | ||
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His reads didn't mean shit. | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:28 GlowingBear wrote: Wave can you love me a little bit now after my paranoid shits? It's unfortunate that I am forced to simply because of your colour and not by the merits of your actions. You hurt me, calling me scum like that. | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:39 GlowingBear wrote: (( but I... I glow... I didn't call you scum, I said you could be if hapa flipped mafia. You've passed the test, my love. But can our love truly last? Will you still be there for me when I wake upon the morrow? | ||
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Fixed that for you, good sir Well at this point I guess VA's godawful claim pretty much has to be legit. VA why in all that is holy would you use a RB to start off the game? You are WAY better than that. I've played scum with you and I know this. Ugh. Anyway from my POV it's basically gonna have to be Damdred/KSC 'cause KISS says Xat is town simply due to filter size and for no other reason. I mean, there are other reasons (and other possibilities technically) but simplest case says I was just wrong in my reads on Damdred/KSC (or maybe right since I suspected them early game lololol). Also Onegu, if you read this I'm assuming some shit went down so I hope everything is ok. Only reason I'm not also simultaneously angry with you this time is 'cause we're winning pretty handily lol | ||
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On August 27 2014 11:03 turtlevine wrote: Examples when someone would be confirmed town: Example 1. The setup does not have godfathers, framers etc as a possibility, and all cops are sane. Allfred claims cop with a green check on Charlie. Alfred is shot and flips cop. (Charlie is confirmed town) Example 2. The setup has exactly one blue role, and scum are compulsive shooters (must shoot every night). There is no night kill, and Barry claims Veteran who soaked a hit at the start of the day. (Barry is confirmed town) Example 3. The setup has exactly one blue role, and it's 2-1 LYLO. All three players agree that the blue should claim. Daniel claims Veteran, and so does Edna. Frank claims VT. (Frank is Confirmed Town) BH | ||
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On August 27 2014 11:06 Damdred wrote: Since you listed me first on your list i expect a strong case at your conveinence wave. i pushed hap pretty hard and its probably worst time for mafia to kill hap. and your jump off va or your insistance on sticking on va could be read badly. LOL when you say it like that, is there anything I can do that won't be read badly? I mean I can do the same thing: Nobody even considered Hapa after Rayn disappeared (then died) until I brought him up for SK and your voting D1 and constant inability to take a stance could be read badly. cwutididthar Point being due to PoE this is how it looks to me, obviously I'll look deeper but right now it looks like y'all might be scum. I'm sure you're thinking something similar about me if I'm wrong and you're town (or will push it on me if you're scum). | ||
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On August 28 2014 01:29 yamato77 wrote: GB, it could be dam/wos.They pushed Hapa = SK as hard as me yet they don't have the experience I have playing with Hapa nor were they especially interested in doing anything else yesterday. Read the thread again, good sir. I didn't push Hapa anywhere near as hard as you, but I brought it to the thread's attention. I didn't know if I wanted to lynch him as it was possible he could have been town. I pushed VA throughout the day. And don't give me that I have no experience with hapa; I've played plenty of games with him. And somehow you compare my experience with him to that of Damdred who just started here? Come on. | ||
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lol as if it could be anything else lol | ||
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On August 28 2014 01:30 KelsierSC wrote: I think pushing for an SK kill makes you more town than mafia yesterday, mafia needed to keep SK alive. This is actually an interesting point, come to think of it. Mafia definitely needed the extra KP (and they had to hope Hapa directed it at town). I'll have to go back and look at some point if there was anyone who really didn't seem to want Hapa to die. | ||
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You and yamato are in the same boat for me. Definitely possible but highly unlikely. In fact I think yamato is technically more likely than you at this point. | ||
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On August 28 2014 01:56 yamato77 wrote: Options open, dear. No reason to lose because I townread a sneaky mafia Wave for agreeing with me about Hapa. Alright. yamato can you do me a favour and reiterate what makes you town from D1 end of day? | ||
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I'm fairly sure GB initiated the robik lynch, but that's besides the point. I've seen tons of scum bus early for little reason, and yamato technically HAD a reason. (See Holyflare in Cultured, marv in Shadow) I want to hear it from yamato; want to be sure of something. | ||
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On August 28 2014 01:58 GlowingBear wrote: You're forgetting that SK win con is to be the last man standing, so it's a scum to us and vigi to mafia, as they could be shot. It's not good to have SK alive, it's better to win by granting mislynches. I disagree. At that point in the game after losing Robik especially with you and turtle confirmed town, extra mislynches likely aren't going to help scum with so many impossible mislynches around. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:52 KelsierSC wrote: WoS said he was considering something else that he didn't want to say because "reasons" I am curious what that was. This was that believing that VA was scum, I imagine for some reason the real blue did not want to reveal himself but was instead silently counterclaiming VA by voting for him instead of revealing himself. Didn't want to mention any of that in case scum didn't notice and me saying stuff would tip them off somehow as to who might be the real blue. Turned out not to be the case anyway. | ||
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Should be pretty damn obvious at this point. Guess it's KSC and VA right now, unless yamato. | ||
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Means scum are amongst me/KSC/VA and since we can afford a mislynch it's GG already. Unless yamato scum. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:32 Xatalos wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote WaveOfShadow It doesn't look like he even cares anymore. Just wants to somehow get VA lynched and speed up the day. Plus he refused to lynch Robik at the deadline. I really don't Game is over, we've already won (again, unless yamato) | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:45 KelsierSC wrote: really So just play like shit and get a free pass. Done with this WELCOME TO TL MAFIA LOLOLOL I used to rage against this all the time Took me like a year to get over it | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:50 Xatalos wrote: My worst experience was probably when I was used to gumshoe just lurking and randomly voting as town. One game he decided to apply that same strategy as scum and I had a hard time seeing him as scum. Well, he got lynched anyway so all's well that ends well. UGH I RAGED SO HARD AT HIM THAT GAME It was...YOSO I don't think anyone has ever made me rage as hard as gumshoe and Onegu have on TL mafia | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:57 Xatalos wrote: Maybe he was just roleblocked / WIFOM left alive as a mislynch. The thing is, IT DOESN'T MATTER | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:14 KelsierSC wrote: WoS can't afford to bus VA, neither can I you can because town will just lynch me and WoS. PoE You realize scum has absolutely no choice right now, right? | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:22 yamato77 wrote: So Vayne is mafia because the fakeclaim nonsense is close to the worst claim I've ever witnessed in scum play on TL Mafia. And KSC is his buddy because: D2, he didn't want to lynch VA OR Hapa, which is exactly what mafia would be motivated to do. Today, he 180s on Xata even AFTER questioning his claim at night + comes out and 180s on me with literally the worst post I've ever read where he VOTES THE GUY I'M VOTING, YET CALLS ME MAFIA FOR BUSSING HIM And why would I bus in this way? Because apparently it gives me enough leeway to push 2 mislynches on WoS and himself. game soooollvvvveeeedddddd | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:35 yamato77 wrote: kels, unfortunately for you, I have a reputation as a horrible scum player not because I couldn't play well as mafia (I have survived to endgame in a stacked town) but because I'm far and away a better town player one of the best town players when I'm trying to win the game that comes in handy when I want to crush scumteams like I wanted to after we lynched Robik on d1 you just happened to be on the receiving end of this punishment blame wos/xatalos for making me really fucking mad at the end of d1 I've seen you give up and be shit as town so many times yamato dont get all arrogant | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:41 yamato77 wrote: And many times before that, I've played lights out as town and taken many shots for it. Most of the time the game isn't as fun as this one was. I joined a good playerlist. Lights out? | ||
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TThere's literally no point in arguing but I'm sure nothing will stop you so by all means. | ||
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I liked your play, honestly. Some things: I'm pissed at Robik and the way that D1 lynch went. Essentially all he had to do was BE HERE and that wouldn't have happened. In retrospect I should have obviously bussed him like crazy but I was holding out hope that he'd either do SOMETHING or that it wouldn't go through. I also erroneously thought that because so many people didn't ##Unvote first their votes wouldn't count but apparently sylencia does things differently? This game was much harder for us than it should have been because of the confirmed masons. Yeah technically they weren't 100% confirmed but they may as well have been because as was said, there is no way anyone would claim mason like that knowing they were both confirmed. We needed to get rid of so many confirmed townies by the end it was impossible. Another mistake I made was revealing Hapa I suppose. Props to VA on once again reading roles as well as he did---kinda figured I could get some decent cred on that without it going through but people really took VAs claim as legit which I absolutely did not expect. Had you guys lynched VA instead of Hapa that day I think I could have won it alone. Anyway WP guys, handing me my first scum loss (not happy about the circumstances but not much I can do) Personal notes: Damdred - be more confident, bro Stop apologizing for everything. Be bold. KSC - Less confirmation bias (and flaming) and basing reads on where people are voting. Your style is interesting and unique and there are definitely some very good things you were able to analyze. Keep it up. Um...there's probably more but I'll just call the rest of yall scrubs and be done with it. | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:04 VayneAuthority wrote: i should have went with my gut and roleblocked xatalos cause that was our only chance, i laughed pretty hard when he said he tried not to soft claim in his big post cause thats exactly what you did all day when i claimed I KNOW AND YOU POINTED IT ALL OUT TOO And I was like naaahhhh fucking robik though man | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:07 Hapahauli wrote: Is this the first scum-game you've lost wave? o.o Yeah sadly. I think overall I played pretty well and if things weren't a little stacked against us from the start we could've won, and we didn't adapt to changing conditions particularly well. Hapa when you're not town it's insanely obvious I'm not actually mad at HF but I never would ahve guessed him. I love looking through QTs though Asking 'if they believe I'm BH would they listen to me 'cause vet' SO MUCH LOL I love postgame. Should stop spamming JAT you are so much less fun as town. So rigid and unfun and rude and angry y u gotta be so mean -Taylor Swift Also love reading obs QT when people are incredibly wrong | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:13 Hapahauli wrote: Iknowman D= I was semi-interested on Day 1 because I actually had some incentive to find mafia. Rayn case was more posted because I thought it would be funny, but aside from that, I think my Day 1 was OK. Day 2 was rough, because I realized half-way through Night 1 that Iynching mafia was against my objectives. So I lost interest and changed my shot from you to Rayn =P Is it confirmed HF? You were gonna shoot me? dayum I thought i defended my refusal to vote robik well enough People certainly didnt scumread me D2 for it. And yeah your D1 was fine...the only thing I actually found fishy about your D1 was knowing what your thing would do to the thread/rayn. It was when you posted the cases on me/damdred/whoever that you really f'ed up imo. Vayne had you pegged from the start. And JAT, 2 mislynches with 2 then 4 confirmed town plus an SK is not easy. We did 4 mislynches with an all-vanilla setup. I have no doubts I could have won this game if no powers were involved. | ||
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I know what my mistakes were and I will continue to improve WATCH OUT THE LOT OF YOU NEXT TIME IT WONT BE SO EASY On August 29 2014 10:19 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe. Maybe not. But this game was most certainly not townfavored. No obviously not. Probably 3P favoured tbh, but the confirmed townies tipped the scales further away from scum. It just wasn't quite part of the setup to happen that way. Xat I can't believe how long you believed VA's claim. | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:22 Hapahauli wrote: I was really convinced you were scum going into D2. Your D2 play was really good and brought be down a couple of pegs on you. KSC's play on N2 made me think you were town for quite a while, until Xata's case on you. On you, Damdred, and Vayne iamdabest (not at SK) The Day 1 Robik lynch fucked you, but I think the point is that the setup was objectively fine for you guys. Maybe even favorable. Yes, I agree. | ||
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That asshole had the nerves to pm me "" after they shot me. y u so angry as town On August 29 2014 10:23 Xatalos wrote: Why in the world did you keep roleblocking yamato if you noticed that I was blue? We weren't completely sure and because VA was worried about RB getting confirmed by lack of a cop check if he tried to claim RB. And then he didn't claim it anyway lol Oh and Xat the point was 5 blues is INSANELY OP. You should have known that VA was scum simply from his blueclaim initially. Shouldn't have even mattered how terrible it was or what it was at all. | ||
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I know Let's play again with the roles reversed, k? | ||
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TL Mafia channel? | ||
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On August 29 2014 23:37 IAmRobik wrote: In regards to this game: I was away at a comedy fest on Friday night. I came home late. Went to work -- was dead at work but still posted a little bit. I was planning on coming home and posting, but I passed out and didn't wake up for like 24+hrs. I broke my meta this game, and I was planning on exploiting the shit out of it and as I'm getting ready to post and see who got lynched, I see that it's me and freak the fuck out internally. I'm really sorry for my teammates that I let down. It was the first time I've ever been lynched - regardless of role. UGH Sigh We could have done it. We really could have. | ||
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