[T] Cell (Mini?) Mafia III

On August 28 2014 09:11 Professor Apathy wrote:

I'd put group D first, group A second, group B third, group C fourth, group E last.

There's 3 underlying principles here
1) Groups I don't mind having early, that would be group D and A. Nothing is lost if those are screwed up early
2) Groups I would like to have around later on, that's group B and C
3) Group E, I want to be last

So here's the reasoning:
I want D before A because A might end up in a shitstorm, so having D first gives us a more sensible start I think.
That leaves A for second.
Group B and C don't really have much all that much difference to them but I agree that C looks a bit more easy to judge and as such I want it on spot #4 to have marv around longer if he happens to be town. If he's not we ignore him just like we did in the invite game. Thus group C comes in spot #3
And Group E comes in spot #5 to have me in the last spot.

I highly doubt that reads are going to influence the order at all as I'm not willing to bet anything based on a 24hour read so I'd rather make it by things that are true and beneficial no matter of the alignments of any of the guys in there, like the fact that group A is going to be bloody horrible.

On August 29 2014 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote:

haut

On August 29 2014 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Bleh amiko keeps talking about our cell being 3rd for whatever reason.
Stuff like "we are active players so long filters lotta stuff to read", and, "day 3 is important cause at least we get one for town and not lose 3-0".
Filler. Its pretty much useless.
He seems really happy though.
Amiko, are you a happy guy?

On August 29 2014 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:







What about you Marv?

On August 29 2014 04:08 your mom wrote:
marv do you have an idea of who you would lynch first since you wanna start with A id expect you to have some suspects in there or be confident on how to read those

On August 29 2014 07:12 Professor Apathy wrote:
I tend do agree. batsnacks and ritoky come off as misguided, yet townish people.
BH on the other hand hasn't made me think he's town. So from a process of elimination point of view it's BH right now.

On August 29 2014 07:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Did you not see the exchange between him and Tamburini?

On August 29 2014 07:20 batsnacks wrote:


Do you ever get Marv and you mixed up? Like when you're talking to your mom or whatever.

On August 29 2014 07:24 batsnacks wrote:


I didn't know you were English. The real question for someone like you though, one you didn't answer last time:

Are you, the man, expressing yourself through Marv or does Marv, the TL.net entity, express himself through you?

On August 29 2014 07:25 Holyflare wrote:


It's like you're buzz lightyear. People know you are a toy because you are made of plastic and look like a toy. Even if you believe you are a space ranger sent to protect the planet from the evil emperor zerg.

On August 29 2014 07:33 Holyflare wrote:
Think my groups pretty easy too

On August 29 2014 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
If by weigh up carefully you mean i know my group is a 50/50 whereas yours isn't then yes i did

On August 29 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
You didn't post enough for me to get a read on you to put you before me. Wave fell into the trap thing about being a vt/town and answered correctly and mm1 has done nothing but support tambo out of the blue and afk. I think my cell is pretty open and shut

On August 29 2014 08:30 Professor Apathy wrote:
Well I have a gutread on WoS (who's in your group) so far being town and I'm got you I don't like you right now... I'll take a nap over this to make sure I'm not just saying so because I'm mad for being in 2nd position. Also there's really no point in discussion HF's group right now when he isn't due to until cycle 4.

On August 29 2014 08:34 Professor Apathy wrote:

yeah in general I'd agree but not on day1 of this game with this group.

On August 29 2014 10:34 Amiko wrote:
@Professor Apathy & marvellosity:





What about batsnacks seems misguided?
Practically the only thing of substance I see from him is that he voted Blazinghand, who you also voted for.
How is it misguided if you agree with him?

On August 29 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:
Lilwade - TOWN AS ALL GET OUT - seriously. i think this is his first full fledged game...and he enters the thread like that? Pure BALLS, guy is town; anyone who thinks otherwise is leaning scum immediately in my book. If he is mafia, he already fooled me and I applaud him.

On August 29 2014 12:24 WaveofShadow wrote:

And on that note, this is terrible.
Typical Oats though, so I can't really say terrible town/scum

On August 29 2014 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

Actually this is an interesting point---you kinda took it further than I did as I just didn't agree with the 'misguided' part but come to think if it I don't see how anything batsnacks has done can be seen as misguided anyway necessarily.

It just looks like it was a blanket term applied to the assumed townies in the group but it really should only apply in theory to ritoky from their logic.

Do you think apathy or marv are scum?

On August 29 2014 15:21 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm tired of dealing with your literal feces. come on and vote me. I'll solv ethe damn game like I always do and catch all the scum like I always do, and you'll alll hate me for it like you always do cause i'm do damn right

boew down before your master

hgrit your teeth and pretend to hate me but in your heart you know I am right

On August 29 2014 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:

He got unreasonably angry when he was up to lynch and looks to not give a shit whether he dies. Scum don't so that, they rationalise, they plead, bargain and all that jazz. Scum bh doesn't such so much Bh gives no shits about you when he is under pressure.
Note that this is different not giving a shit from bat. Bat is under no pressure, Bh is under lotta pressure.

On August 29 2014 23:36 Not really holyflare wrote:


marv, either you turned into a girl, or you cant read.

On August 30 2014 00:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv why did you ever think amiko was scum?

On August 29 2014 03:43 your mom wrote:
would like to know from NRHF how mtamb is easy to meta cause he looks like our cells mafia to me, by PoE, nrhf looks very active and involved and i dont think hes scum atm.

wouldnt mind if our cell went first actually cause if my read is correct its an easy point for town.

vote goes to blazinghand cause hes ambitious and logical in his arguments. on the other hand i wouldnt mind voting hf or marv cause I have a minor scumread on bats for still talking about nonsense at this stage so A first is fine as well. Dont really care much about the order cause in the end its all about scumreading the right guy in a cell.

A is a bit more tricky tho cause ritoky talked about more relevant stuff than bats so far but on the other hand its also pretty easy to fake interest when you only have to choose a mayor and not scumread people, so yeah, D first all the way and im not that arsed to stay until the lategame anyway.

##Vote Blazinghand

On August 30 2014 02:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

To be fair, I think anyone is an easy target when up against me/HF. Doesn't change things if he actually is scum though, and right now I lean town on HF (not that that ever seems to mean much).

I think most of your reads are the same as mine, though I put less stock in the shit Oats has been spewing 'cuz Oats, and I absolutely can't trust marv until some switch flips at some point in the game.

On August 30 2014 01:58 Holyflare wrote:
Is this the famous oats with too much information? Looks like it is to me.

On August 30 2014 02:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

Mmm, fruity with just a hint of arsenic.


Again, explain this?
You're saying that Oats could be scum who knows BH is town?
Like if it weren't Cell I'd lynch BH before Oats any day.

On August 30 2014 04:01 ritoky wrote:


only have a brief moment this afternoon, so i only caught up on like 1 page, will be on a little later to read the rest.





those are his first two posts in i believe his first real mafia game....context makes it ballsy to me, maybe ur ballsy is different

On August 30 2014 03:01 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case, the fact that this game took like literally a month to fill should give you an indication of what a shithead you are for suggesting that I shouldn't have signed up because I was moving in a month

On August 30 2014 04:13 batsnacks wrote:
Bunnies are you actually a female or are you just a guy role playing? Every other post from you is about how you're a girl. Is tl how you channel your inner feminity?

It's like how on gay forums half the posters are just straight guys spamming "fabulous!"

On August 30 2014 04:52 batsnacks wrote:


Want to know a really easy way to spot bullshit?

If a sentence starts with "evidently" or "actually," it's bullshit. Every time.

On August 30 2014 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:

Catastrophe

On August 30 2014 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol this may be the best development in a mafia game in a while

Also funny thing is he could still be scum and telling the truth

On August 30 2014 06:00 Blazinghand wrote:
>asks bh for a picture
>bh gives picture
>"bh, why you give picture"

On August 30 2014 06:08 Amiko wrote:
@marvellosity:
Do you still feel batsnacks is misguided today?
Do you feel like he's really doing anything productive or helpful?
Do you feel that he thinks he is doing something productive or helpful?

On August 30 2014 06:26 ritoky wrote:


can't be green any other way eh?

On August 30 2014 06:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Oh I think he's town.

But I just felt like trolling a bit.

And I wanted to be green.

Green in my favorite color.

On August 30 2014 06:32 ritoky wrote:


she made a post earlier where she said "i think he's scum, he isn't acting town, but i have a 100% terrible read on him; so idk" and placed me at #2 in the cell, behind BH as her top mafia i believe.

On August 30 2014 07:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@HF: I don't have a good read on BH. So yeah, it's a sheep. I like marv, marv doesn't like BH, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

But I suppose I can actually read and not sheep if you want me to. I care too much about a game, I get read as mafia. I don't care about a game, and I get read as mafia. Make up your minds people.

@PA: I mean I can post a picture here. Or you can just check out twitch.tv/dailymafia when I play video mafia later tonight.

On August 31 2014 01:36 Amiko wrote:
@marv:
Does that mean I don't get an answer?

I don't think your reason for townreading Apathy is good - him giving up his smurf easily means almost nothing when other players already said they figured out who he was (I think from that anime picture)?
Anyway he is likely to be town IMO, but more because his d1 felt pretty good and bunnies' play feels pretty scummy to me.

On August 31 2014 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote:

See that sounds like more townmarv
Also fuck you.
You're just mad I keep beating you.

If neither batsnacks or BH do anything else today I'd probably vote BH in the end.

On August 31 2014 01:40 Amiko wrote:
@marv
You seem to think BH is scummy for not leading town.
As someone many people expected to lead town, why have you done so little to lead town today?
Why are you dismissing me instead of trying to convince me if I am voting for someone you think is town?

On August 31 2014 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote:

must...not....make....joke...

On August 31 2014 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry for spam:

Just had a breakthrough

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/465889-how-to-succeed-in-evil

BH totally scum

On August 31 2014 02:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

And this is different from normal how
doh ho ho ho ho

On August 31 2014 02:45 Not really holyflare wrote:


hey marv
don't pull any last minute shit again
so bat or bh? Like literally if you have gun with 1 bullet and you can shoot anyone (other than me of course), who will you shoot?

On August 31 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote:
I hope you guys realise if you lynch batsnacks and he flips town, I am going to be completely unbearable.

On August 31 2014 09:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
So helpful marv, thanks.
I'm going to assume then BH was telling the truth about the move but just made up a whole bunch of horseshit reads at the end and was scum. Probably shouldn't have been fooled by it tbh but neither of those two looked particularly towny for the entirety of the day.

Next Cell:

Bunnies: batsnacks called her town but for honestly horrible reasons imo. BH called her scum for reasons that I actually somewhat agree with, except for when he starts talking about protecting her scumbuddy. In my opinion Bunnies has done nothing all game but give reads with no conclusions, sheepy posts and has been generally forgettable in thread, precisely what scum wants.

lilwade: No friggin' clue. Hasn't done a damn thing but make a show of weird machismo and a couple of question posts and a tiny bit of analysis on BH. Ritoky thinks he's jesus for some reason but I really don't see it. Pretty null.

Toad: Looks pretty towny tbh. Especially the post where he made up an excuse for voting batsnacks even after flipping a coin. Scum could have extremely easily put a vote wherever and justified it with the flip. Not only does Toad NOT do that, but he provides legitimate rationale behind it as well (I've heard the coinflip thing before too).

Lynch should between bunnies and wade today and I'm leaning bunnies.

On August 29 2014 22:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I can't, cause at this point, I don't know who is mafia and who is town.

Ritoky, while he has been posting, is not town ritoky I'm used to. So like, I know I read him wrong often, and maybe I should flip my vote, but Town Ritoky wouldn't just focus on figuring out his cell. He would also offer information on other cells. He didn't offer any information on other cells until AFTER I said something about it.

BS- meh. The whole misguided thing is stupid imo, and not how you should read someone. BS seemed more trolly during mayor phase, so Idk. I feel mayor phase shouldnt really pertain to day 1 reads. But BS hasn't given me much today to go on.

BH- like I said earlier. I'm salty that BH got me day 1 lynched in a previous game we played, and would just vote him off because of that, and be like "How does it feel, bitch?" My inner goddess would thrive in this.

But Idk how to read BH. So like, I agree, he seems to be doing nothing but whining, but is that town BH or mafia BH? Idk.

And that's where I am at on this cell.

On September 01 2014 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
Because he's not really that town this game at all

On September 01 2014 00:21 Holyflare wrote:


You had zero interest in doing anything and wouldn't even indulge in anyone else being mafia let alone talk about it with people. Now you're not even sure if bh WAS mafia so really you put no effort into making sure you were right at all. You even shut down people when they tried to converse about things with you.

On September 01 2014 02:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

This is almost like the same horseshit bunnies is spouting where it's ok 'because her vote was in the right place.'

On September 01 2014 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't know if I recall you ever being satisfied to simply lose a game, vote in the right place and put forth minimal effort.
As town, anyway.

I'm not sheeping onto wade; I refuse to be spooked simply because of the way the votes look right now.
At some point if anybody who either knows bunnies (or doesn't and wants to look it up) can show me some examples of usual townplay from her that'd be great. Eventually I'll do it myself if no one does.

On September 01 2014 02:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yeah but she's not doing weird TMI here, she's posting like absolute ass.
And I don't like lilwade as town, but we're sitting in the same situation as yesterday where you have to pick between two really shitty people and I feel there's more evidence on bunnies.

On September 01 2014 02:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yeah but she's not doing weird TMI here, she's posting like absolute ass.
And I don't like lilwade as town, but we're sitting in the same situation as yesterday where you have to pick between two really shitty people and I feel there's more evidence on bunnies.

On September 01 2014 09:56 lilwade wrote:
This day is super easy I had scum read on 27 bunnies like 30 seconds into day 1

And so did apathy...

voting 27ninjabunnies.

On September 01 2014 21:07 Oatsmaster wrote:

conclusion?

On September 01 2014 20:51 Holyflare wrote:


Slip??? Bunnies could be town dumbo

On September 01 2014 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:

nono, conclusion to that post.

On September 02 2014 00:52 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?user=lilwade

he's capable of actual analysis as mafia so to have none here and do shit all kind of indicates that he got thrown in the deep end and couldnt play mafia twice

On September 02 2014 01:13 Amiko wrote:
I think maybe the better point is that in his first newbie he was more active, openly posted reads, and was town (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?user=lilwade&view=all)

On September 02 2014 02:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Now to PA

His filter is a bit longer. 6 pages to be exact. I commend you for your activity.

Some things I have a problem with, why did he want our group to go last? He makes jokes about it, says it's because he creates a shitstorm and needs more time to defend himself (you can find that post here- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?page=15#286) but it actually seemed like he's been doing completely opposite this game. Townie points?

I also want to know if the below is where he stands still


As of now, reading through PA's filter, he seems the most town. He's active, questioning, and looking to try and figure out the game. The only thing that throws me off is how active he was about being mayor, and wanting our group to go last. Idc that he wanted us to go last, but his reasoning that "he would need more time to defend himself" is super scummy.

I'm not going to vote yet, because I do want to hear responses to these thoughts

On September 02 2014 02:12 Holyflare wrote:


because once you get modkilled from a game (and i know he was around and still got modkilled from newbie) you can focus on the other one. He's not posted any reason to afk, he just comes back in to settle the people against him with a vote and back to lurking again. I'd expect if he was town he'd just be like "sorry i was mafia in another game and more interested in winning there" and then post some kind of basic analysis or anything or say he's reading but the maintained lurk while present means he's literally just avoiding posting on purpose

On September 02 2014 02:33 Professor Apathy wrote:
Just as an example, you could easily use the same thing on lilwade and make an argument how it's more likely he's town for that reason:

Mafias tend to talk to each other during a game. As such the idea to abandon is a lot more personal towards the people on your team you're in a chat with. Abandoning a game you're playing in a team without knowing who your teammates are or being in direct contact with them on the other hand makes it easier to not feel bad about it.

On September 03 2014 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:

His voting patterns actually could mean he's town this game considering the way he stuck to BH and he's not known to bus for no reason (see Shadow...he had a very good reason), but then again in the unlikely case if ritoky was scum then it doesn't mean much. Biggest problem I have with marv is he IS usually pretty obvious when town, and he just isn't this time. HF and I pointed some of it out (maybe this means they aren't scum together.....?) but marv just hasn't been very marv-y this game. Isn't taking charge, isn't causing mass hysteria at lynch time is generally forgettable, and marv usually isn't.

Just like with Holyflare I can't be certain if it really IS a factor of the game type that just somehow sucks the life out of some people, if they're scum, or some other reason. But I can say with certainty both HF and marv are 'off' this game, and it's a problem.

On September 04 2014 20:38 Holyflare wrote:
Here's the thing, you WERE wrong because the first cell you spent the entire time burying and burying batsnacks and saying EVERYTHING BH did was towny when in actual fact it was most likely the opposite!

On September 05 2014 18:05 MysteryMeat1 wrote:


I'm saying your scummy for saying that everything i've ever done this game has been scummy.

even your brackets are entirely bs and the bolded part makes no sense. If i town read wave then of course i think your mafia... like your logic is wack.

Also the fact that you call oats scum for voting on you, you choose to not say whether you think marv is town or scum. Like if marv was town, i would expect him to be in the game, instead of probably doing nothing and waiting to see if he can win the game.

On September 06 2014 03:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Welk thats game,

Just going to go on record

Bh, bunnies, hf, marv as mafia. Ill apologize to town for not following my earlier scum reads

@Amiko, and wos why are you voting for me?

On September 06 2014 08:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv what was the deal? Is everything OK?

On September 10 2014 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm curious what people think of the format. It seems to be kind of impopular. Are there any changes that I could make to it that would make it enjoyable or is it simply a doomed format that will never be more enjoyable than a conventional game?

On September 12 2014 05:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Yup but I figured I'd just note that you're totally right