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On July 23 2014 21:38 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 20:25 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 19:53 Chopin Liszt wrote:
I laugh everytime someone says that someone defending them and being correct when nobody else is makes them probably towny when it should give you the opposite reaction ~_~
Anyway, I think navillus has potential and I'd rather keep him around over the likes of obi/teem/vivax. Vivax probably strongest mafia read for not giving a shit like usual mafia vivax, time will tell in the day though.
You accuse me of the same thing Navillus has been doing, give him a pass and not vote on Vivax, who is your strongest mafia read. Well played. When someone says something you've been thinking about before you yourself say it out loud, I can see that person being on the same wavelength as I am, thus the town read. Most of your case is just pushing on me for asking people what I thought of Damdred. I was starting to read the thread, and I didn't like his entrance to the thread. Him being my first read, I asked others what others thought about him. Also, when I asked Palmar about him, I mentioned that I think Damdred is scummy. I -am- giving a read on Damdred, I think he's scummy. Kush doesn't interest me today, what I quickly saw from him was okay and nothing he did was particularly scummy to me. You're wasting time with me. Generally I get decent reads from people interacting with me, but your push on me solely because of giving unsubstantiated reads doesn't really help me figure out your alignment. I would much rather see you look at my interaction with Obi. How is that anything like what navillus has been doing? He's backed up his scum reads with quotes and evidence and pointed people in directions and then asked people what they think of the people he was discussing. You just questioned people on damd and then gave only a "he's scummy" reason, which is not a reason. Vivax is a scum read for not doing anything but that can change based on what he does later in the cycle hence why he's not being voted over you. Why does that matter anyway when you've already stated that you don't take meta reads into account at all?
I'm talking about pre-Palmar's case, the one you jumped on, remember? I can't predict the future, you know?
All Navillus did before that case was say that 1) there wasn't anything odd about Damdred, 2) give the wishy-washiest non-content read on you and 3) called Xana scum/said his list was bad for the same reasons everyone else has.
It's your own problem if you don't think it's a reason. If I think there's a potential scum somewhere, of course I want to hear people's reads on the person. Might be pretty useful later on if that person turns out to be mafia, y'know? I get my reads the way I do and I could care less what you think of how I do it.
You yourself said that he is your strongest scum read. You're using superlatives, which indicates he is the person you think is the most scum. I thought that was kind of clear to everybody.
Meta reads != people becoming more active and improving their play during the game
By meta reads, I mean I don't care if you think you know how someone plays mafia/town. I haven't played with almost anyone here, thus I can't accept/disprove when someone here talks about X person's play.
Your case is so weak at this point and the fact you're harping on the fact that I was asking questions makes me think you're either mafia trying to push a miss lynch or bad town, in which case you should just let your hydra partner play solo from now on, which would also make it easier for me to read you. 
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On July 23 2014 22:08 Teemursu wrote:Your case is so weak at this point and the fact you're harping on the fact that I was asking questions makes me think you're either mafia trying to push a miss lynch or bad town, in which case you should just let your hydra partner play solo from now on, which would also make it easier for me to read you.
+1 townie point.
Chopin
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On July 23 2014 21:06 Koshi wrote:
When I say later on. I meant before he made that post Palmar based his case on.
And those questions were not made to be ignored.
I don't see it. The two posts you quoted and used to defended him based on him "not trying to hide anything" is because there's almost nothing to hide.
Like, literally. His reads on CL and Damdred were just fluffy null there wasn't anything about him trying to figure out people's alignment. Xata was okay, but everyone already discussed it and the reasons. For some reason, repeating what everyone else has said about a post that happened almost six hours ago doesn't give me enough town cred for me to read that person as town. Especially when the post Palmar made a case about was in my opinion bad as well.
You then go on to quoting post-Palmar's case stuff, that 1) aren't relevant 2) I can somewhat agree and helps me read Palmar. "I'm still leaving my options open about him, though".
I want to hear from Koshi what he specifically liked about Navillus's posts pre-Palmar's case besides just saying "he's not hiding anything", which isn't enough considering how null Navillus's posts were.
I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet).
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Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin
Don't lynch: Everyone else.
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On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin
Don't lynch: Everyone else.
Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least.
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On July 23 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:
I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet).
Liszt and I appear to be somewhat syncopated when it comes to Navillus. I will try to align our scores.
Chopin
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On July 23 2014 22:38 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin
Don't lynch: Everyone else. Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least.
You agree with Vivax, little Teermursu?
In the battle royale with Koshi, you have the view
That Koshi is the evil, the bastard, the swine
and Vivax is dandy, splendid, and fine?
I tell you this, I'll make it breve
I hope this, I can achieve
It may be two fine composers, a simple misunderstandin'
but if one is malign, it is not our Belgian.
Chopin
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On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin
Don't lynch: Everyone else.
Ok. Not moving my vote ever.
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On July 23 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 21:06 Koshi wrote:
When I say later on. I meant before he made that post Palmar based his case on.
And those questions were not made to be ignored. I don't see it. The two posts you quoted and used to defended him based on him "not trying to hide anything" is because there's almost nothing to hide. Like, literally. His reads on CL and Damdred were just fluffy null there wasn't anything about him trying to figure out people's alignment. Xata was okay, but everyone already discussed it and the reasons. For some reason, repeating what everyone else has said about a post that happened almost six hours ago doesn't give me enough town cred for me to read that person as town. Especially when the post Palmar made a case about was in my opinion bad as well. You then go on to quoting post-Palmar's case stuff, that 1) aren't relevant 2) I can somewhat agree and helps me read Palmar. "I'm still leaving my options open about him, though". I want to hear from Koshi what he specifically liked about Navillus's posts pre-Palmar's case besides just saying "he's not hiding anything", which isn't enough considering how null Navillus's posts were.I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet).
Navillus typed words when nobody was typing words.
I give him a townread.
The end.
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On July 23 2014 22:39 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:
I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet). Liszt and I appear to be somewhat syncopated when it comes to Navillus. I will try to align our scores. Chopin
If this is how hydras play out (in terms of how hard it is to read that person) I probably will never want to play with a hydra in the same game.
Which one of you was the one who pointed out Obi's hypocrisy earlier in the game or was it Liszt?
Which one of you was the one who made their case on me and pushed on it?
Is every post that isn't signed by Chopin made by Liszt?
I'm so confused.
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On July 23 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 21:06 Koshi wrote:
When I say later on. I meant before he made that post Palmar based his case on.
And those questions were not made to be ignored. I don't see it. The two posts you quoted and used to defended him based on him "not trying to hide anything" is because there's almost nothing to hide. Like, literally. His reads on CL and Damdred were just fluffy null there wasn't anything about him trying to figure out people's alignment. Xata was okay, but everyone already discussed it and the reasons. For some reason, repeating what everyone else has said about a post that happened almost six hours ago doesn't give me enough town cred for me to read that person as town. Especially when the post Palmar made a case about was in my opinion bad as well. You then go on to quoting post-Palmar's case stuff, that 1) aren't relevant 2) I can somewhat agree and helps me read Palmar. "I'm still leaving my options open about him, though". I want to hear from Koshi what he specifically liked about Navillus's posts pre-Palmar's case besides just saying "he's not hiding anything", which isn't enough considering how null Navillus's posts were.I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet). Navillus typed words when nobody was typing words. I give him a townread. The end.
Great way to approach the game, keep it up. You'll get really far with this.
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On July 23 2014 22:49 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 22:39 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:
I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet). Liszt and I appear to be somewhat syncopated when it comes to Navillus. I will try to align our scores. Chopin If this is how hydras play out (in terms of how hard it is to read that person) I probably will never want to play with a hydra in the same game. Which one of you was the one who pointed out Obi's hypocrisy earlier in the game or was it Liszt? Which one of you was the one who made their case on me and pushed on it? Is every post that isn't signed by Chopin made by Liszt? I'm so confused.
Liszt, Liszt, no.
Liszt's posts should be obvious now that he has revealed himself as the famed mafia player, Holyflare.
Chopin
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On July 23 2014 22:43 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 22:38 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin
Don't lynch: Everyone else. Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least. You agree with Vivax, little Teermursu? In the battle royale with Koshi, you have the view That Koshi is the evil, the bastard, the swine and Vivax is dandy, splendid, and fine? I tell you this, I'll make it breveI hope this, I can achieve It may be two fine composers, a simple misunderstandin' but if one is malign, it is not our Belgian. Chopin
I'm not sure about how the alignments go for Koshi/Vivax yet. I see that they've been fighting a little bit, but I haven't really read that stuff with thought yet.
So far I want to lynch Obi, okay with lynching Xata and Navillus and you I'm now unsure about. That's mostly agreed. If you weren't a hydra player, I'd read you pretty scummy. Not because of just flipping reads, but because you're not substantiating the flipping.
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On July 23 2014 22:51 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 22:49 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 22:39 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:
I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet). Liszt and I appear to be somewhat syncopated when it comes to Navillus. I will try to align our scores. Chopin If this is how hydras play out (in terms of how hard it is to read that person) I probably will never want to play with a hydra in the same game. Which one of you was the one who pointed out Obi's hypocrisy earlier in the game or was it Liszt? Which one of you was the one who made their case on me and pushed on it? Is every post that isn't signed by Chopin made by Liszt? I'm so confused. Liszt, Liszt, no. Liszt's posts should be obvious now that he has revealed himself as the famed mafia player, Holyflare. Chopin
What if I said that I've heard his name like twice and that I've never seen or read him play nor played with him? How do you expect me to read you still regardless of how obvious it is to you?
I can answer the rhetorical question, just because: I can't.
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Don't think Obi is scum for what it's worth. He is a very nervous/demoralized mafia player, at least in his past games. Don't see it fitting for him to throw around votes and joke and be generally rather carefree if he was scum, like when he came out begging for a townread jokingly.
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On July 23 2014 22:38 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin
Don't lynch: Everyone else. Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least.
I'd rather focus on Koshi and navi for today. A bit more unsure about the other two. Regarding chopin, I got bad vibes from that last question since he implies I didn't say clearly enough that I thought Koshi was mafia when it was there for him to read, so it's a bit of guts and animosity and not a fully fleshed out read based on analysis yet.
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itt: Vivax confirming me town when lynched.
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I simply don't see how any town in his right mind could disagree with what Palmar said about navi. It just hits the spot, navi himself agrees that the post looks bad, hence why it's utterly unwarranted that Koshi would townread him so easily for the reasons he gave and refused to elaborate on.
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On July 23 2014 23:06 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 22:38 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin
Don't lynch: Everyone else. Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least. I'd rather focus on Koshi and navi for today. A bit more unsure about the other two. Regarding chopin, I got bad vibes from that last question since he implies I didn't say clearly enough that I thought Koshi was mafia when it was there for him to read, so it's a bit of guts and animosity and not a fully fleshed out read based on analysis yet.
Yes, and I was correct... You skirted around it while Koshi went directly at your throat.
Chopin
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And when I say refused to elaborate I don't mean his long post about navi but when he said that navi talks about everything like no one else in the thread.
That was just complete overshooting.
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