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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
July 23 2014 14:11 GMT
#541
On July 23 2014 23:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:06 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:38 Teemursu wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin

Don't lynch: Everyone else.


Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least.


I'd rather focus on Koshi and navi for today. A bit more unsure about the other two. Regarding chopin, I got bad vibes from that last question since he implies I didn't say clearly enough that I thought Koshi was mafia when it was there for him to read, so it's a bit of guts and animosity and not a fully fleshed out read based on analysis yet.

Yes, and I was correct... You skirted around it while Koshi went directly at your throat.

Chopin


Semantics you are arguing about, when I say a guy is eligible for lynch then it's hardly cause I think he's town.
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 23 2014 14:11 GMT
#542
On July 23 2014 23:03 Vivax wrote:
Don't think Obi is scum for what it's worth. He is a very nervous/demoralized mafia player, at least in his past games. Don't see it fitting for him to throw around votes and joke and be generally rather carefree if he was scum, like when he came out begging for a townread jokingly.


Again, meta reads in this game are almost worth nothing to me in this game. I could weigh in a confirmed town's opinion, I guess, but even in video mafia people tend to be wrong often.

To address the jokey nature, I can't really read town from that. As I said previously, being jokey and trolling in the first couple of posts is fine, but when it's most of what you're doing and you keep it up for longer, I read it scummier or non-alignment indicative at best.

I've spoken up about him and I've said other things than just him sheeping Kush's read.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 23 2014 14:13 GMT
#543
On July 23 2014 23:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:06 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:38 Teemursu wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin

Don't lynch: Everyone else.


Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least.


I'd rather focus on Koshi and navi for today. A bit more unsure about the other two. Regarding chopin, I got bad vibes from that last question since he implies I didn't say clearly enough that I thought Koshi was mafia when it was there for him to read, so it's a bit of guts and animosity and not a fully fleshed out read based on analysis yet.

Yes, and I was correct... You skirted around it while Koshi went directly at your throat.

Chopin


Semantics you are arguing about, when I say a guy is eligible for lynch then it's hardly cause I think he's town.

'Semantics' of this sort are exactly how you differentiate between town and mafia.

Town are blunt and to the point most of the time. Koshi was a good deal blunter and to the point than you were. I don't understand how you cannot see this.

Chopin
Bach to the basics.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
July 23 2014 14:15 GMT
#544
Teemu, could you give me your opinion on this post about Koshi chopin is trying to blow out of proportion.
I feel like what he's doing is scummy but I'd like the view from another party observing the interaction.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 23 2014 14:16 GMT
#545
On July 23 2014 18:45 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 18:36 HaruRH wrote:
On July 23 2014 18:32 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 18:22 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 18:04 Palmar wrote:
Kosher might be mafia for not instasheeping my case

Koshi flies solo this game.

On July 23 2014 18:18 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.

Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.


So Xatalos confirmed town.


What are the two posts you are referring to?

I am talking only about the listpost. Not the entrance tbh. That one was legit bad.


I don't think the list thing is alignment indicative. What gives you the impression that it's town?


Because koshi makes these listposts too and he dont want to be seen as a hypocrite for criticising it since he will do it too

All these people are already bad lynches for D1:
HaruRH
teemursu
ObiWanShinobi
Navillus
GlowingBear
kushm4sta
batsnacks
Damdred

I need to keep this updated for endgame gloating.
Bad lynches for D1:
HaruRH
teemursu
ObiWanShinobi
Navillus
Xatalos
kushm4sta
batsnacks
Damdred

Really good lynches for D1:
Vivax
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
July 23 2014 14:17 GMT
#546
I mean, if he thinks I'm not being blunt and only applies it to how I handle Koshi purely based on the wording of my post, but not to the way I handled navi, then something is not right. I feel like I was blunt enough in regard to what I think of navi, yet he only prefers to focus on the last half.
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 23 2014 14:19 GMT
#547
On July 23 2014 23:15 Vivax wrote:
Teemu, could you give me your opinion on this post about Koshi chopin is trying to blow out of proportion.
I feel like what he's doing is scummy but I'd like the view from another party observing the interaction.

I'll read Koshi v Chopin v you interactions later on. Right now I need some food and the legend rank in Hearthstone.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
July 23 2014 14:22 GMT
#548
I'd like if rayn started playing and Palmar showed up, this town needs some honest leadership and I currently have to assume they aren't scum based on my choices.

It's demoralizing to only be in thread with people attacking you. You gave me some light Teemu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 23 2014 14:22 GMT
#549
On July 23 2014 23:17 Vivax wrote:
I mean, if he thinks I'm not being blunt and only applies it to how I handle Koshi purely based on the wording of my post, but not to the way I handled navi, then something is not right. I feel like I was blunt enough in regard to what I think of navi, yet he only prefers to focus on the last half.

I like how I gave "shitty" townreads on multiple people already. But you seem to only focus on the Navillus one.

I mean it is annoying that I am ruining an easy misslynch here. But you should have been less obvious about it Vivax.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
July 23 2014 14:26 GMT
#550
On July 23 2014 23:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:17 Vivax wrote:
I mean, if he thinks I'm not being blunt and only applies it to how I handle Koshi purely based on the wording of my post, but not to the way I handled navi, then something is not right. I feel like I was blunt enough in regard to what I think of navi, yet he only prefers to focus on the last half.

I like how I gave "shitty" townreads on multiple people already. But you seem to only focus on the Navillus one.

I mean it is annoying that I am ruining an easy misslynch here. But you should have been less obvious about it Vivax.


Of course I focus on the navi one. Palmar makes a good case, you ignore it and read him as town for reasons I can't fathom.
Nothing of what you are saying in this post makes me scum and is only a needless, unconstructive provocation.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 14:37 GMT
#551
Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 23 2014 14:38 GMT
#552
It was an horrible case. If it would have been Navillus his first post, then I would agree more with Palmar. But now it was good looking case in a vacuum. But not a good case if you open Navillus his filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 23 2014 14:38 GMT
#553
On July 23 2014 23:37 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now.

LoL
As if scum would give up in this setup. Are you for real?
What kind of dumb logic is this Xatalos?
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 14:41 GMT
#554
never seen kushmasta this town.

Damdred makes a terrible post on Xatalos (because the post lacks any conclusion and/or follow up). Cava calls the post good (apparently because he has a townread on damdred he "guesses"). Haru says Xatalos is buddying and apparently that's scummy? Well it's not. Then Cava says he doesn't want to pick a side regarding Xatalos. But in fact he kinda has (see townread on damdred).

CR has the best approach to Xatalos situation. It makes sense although i don't know if it makres Xatalos mafia but regardless it makes sense. All other shit on Xatalos is crap and idk why anyone thinks it's any good..

Navillus post badbad.
##vote: Navillus

Teemursu why are you leaning scum on Xatalos?

Palmar town. Shopping List is right. Teemursu gave a strange weak defence on Xatalos after calling him probably scum. Koshi what the fuck are you doing - except for the Vivax stuff?
---
Cava could also be mafia, and damdred, and Haru. ugh.. that's too stupid.

but Koshi for reals what the fuck?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 14:42 GMT
#555
Palmar's case was after stuff started happening. You don't make wishy-washy posts like that any more at that point.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 14:44 GMT
#556
On July 23 2014 23:38 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:37 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now.

LoL
As if scum would give up in this setup. Are you for real?
What kind of dumb logic is this Xatalos?


Last time I saw Vivax as scum, he truly didn't seem to care about much of anything and was very lurky. But in this game, at least recently, he's maintained a good amount of activity and his posts have also felt reasonably constructive. I checked some of his past games earlier and it seems like he's considerably more active and involved as town - more fitting with his recent play, whereas earlier he was more apathetic.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 23 2014 14:45 GMT
#557
On July 23 2014 23:44 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:38 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 23:37 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now.

LoL
As if scum would give up in this setup. Are you for real?
What kind of dumb logic is this Xatalos?


Last time I saw Vivax as scum, he truly didn't seem to care about much of anything and was very lurky. But in this game, at least recently, he's maintained a good amount of activity and his posts have also felt reasonably constructive. I checked some of his past games earlier and it seems like he's considerably more active and involved as town - more fitting with his recent play, whereas earlier he was more apathetic.

Vivax can care. We seen it in the last Storm mafia 2. Or when he replaced into some game as well. Anyway. Don't be fooled.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 23 2014 14:46 GMT
#558
On July 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
never seen kushmasta this town.

Damdred makes a terrible post on Xatalos (because the post lacks any conclusion and/or follow up). Cava calls the post good (apparently because he has a townread on damdred he "guesses"). Haru says Xatalos is buddying and apparently that's scummy? Well it's not. Then Cava says he doesn't want to pick a side regarding Xatalos. But in fact he kinda has (see townread on damdred).

CR has the best approach to Xatalos situation. It makes sense although i don't know if it makres Xatalos mafia but regardless it makes sense. All other shit on Xatalos is crap and idk why anyone thinks it's any good..

Navillus post badbad.
##vote: Navillus

Teemursu why are you leaning scum on Xatalos?

Palmar town. Shopping List is right. Teemursu gave a strange weak defence on Xatalos after calling him probably scum. Koshi what the fuck are you doing - except for the Vivax stuff?
---
Cava could also be mafia, and damdred, and Haru. ugh.. that's too stupid.

but Koshi for reals what the fuck?

I don't know what to say rayn. Everything I said came out of my hearth.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
July 23 2014 14:46 GMT
#559
On July 23 2014 23:37 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now.


Since there's not much else I currently feel like talking about, here's the mistake I happen to do as scum:

I am capable of looking town just by my posts, but at some point I'll get the feeling my options run out, or/and I become lazy and uninvolved in general business. This happens at some point after D1, most of the time. Afking for a prolonged time ends up as a death sentence, now that the forum knows the way I play town.

It's pretty clear that I started this game with posts that are openly abrasive, disinterested or exeptionally trolly. I just want to try out new stuff rather than going straight to business and arguing the way I do now that I have more to work with.

Hi rayn! Heading for the biggest filter I hope.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 14:47 GMT
#560
Xatalos what about vivax' posting is reasonably constructive?
can you gimme some posts that fall into the category you are describing?
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