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On July 24 2014 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so after those good posts Vivax made you have been here in thread. Why didn't you unvote then and only after i call you out on your contradiction..
Are you suggesting that it's somehow scummy? I simply hadn't typed the unvote yet. I usually prefer to unvote+vote at the same time and I was thinking if Navillus really would be the best lynch candidate atm.
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On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit.
I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare.
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On July 24 2014 00:15 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit. I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare.
no it's not scummy to make bad cases. that's not what i am suggesting. did you even read my post and what it was referring to? i am not calling anyone mafia for making bad cases.
damdred made a posts that really said nothing. he didn't follow that up in any way - even when there were questions which you didn't even answer.
Cava called damdred town for that post, then he called you not necessarily scum. first of all that post was not good, second, he cannot give damdred a town read if he does not think you are scummy. because he didn't call the case bad. you either agree with a case or not, he didn't do either but STILL the post was somehow good. like, he semi-agreed with it without saying so. wishy-washy as fuck.
Haru called you out for buddying after those two guys. Buddying is not scummy unless you explain why. Stupid as fuck.
Teemu called you scummy for who knows why.
Now why didn't YOU call these people out for those things? Like do you want people just attack you for dumb shit and do nothing about it? Or scared of saying something that is ACTUALLY scummy? idk.. i just can't see why you would like to have bad cases on you running around without cutting them out straight up.
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Stop being blind rayn
On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid  )) It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.
That 'buddying' is just a suspicion. Not a full blown scum read.
Also, I called xatalos infinitely more scummy than damdred, which is correct. 1/0 = infinite. +1 scummy/0 null = infinitely scummy.
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On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin
Don't lynch: Everyone else.
It's really concerning that you are thinking this.
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On July 24 2014 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you seriously have that sorta heuristics as town Xatalos? It's like you are not willing to scumhunt at all.
I'm glad you spotted this as well.
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On July 24 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you seriously have that sorta heuristics as town Xatalos? It's like you are not willing to scumhunt at all. I'm glad you spotted this as well.
You made your post when there was nothing going on in thread. You can't compare those two... srsly.
why is buddying scummy?
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this is one of those funny games where the people "scumhunting" are more likely to be scum. with 3 mafia only you have to really shit on the thread and make it unreadable or you will just lose.
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On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid )) It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.
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On July 23 2014 09:51 HaruRH wrote:
I feel that xatalos is making a towncircle with koshi and all his 'gut townreads/don't want to lynch d1'. I don't like his interaction with koshi either. It is just straight up buddying.
Xatalos also immediately came out to present himself as town town town. Still weird.
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Also Haru what's your read on Cava?
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On July 23 2014 09:51 HaruRH wrote:
I feel that xatalos is making a towncircle with koshi and all his 'gut townreads/don't want to lynch d1'. I don't like his interaction with koshi either. It is just straight up buddying.
Xatalos also immediately came out to present himself as town town town. Still weird.
So is this scummy or not? Why can't you give a direct answer?
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cause i know you love lists...
1. HaruRH
2. Koshi
3. teemursu
4. Chopin Liszt
5. VayneAuthority
6. raynpelikoneet
7. ObiWanShinobi
8. Navillus
9. GlowingBear
10. kushm4sta
11. Chairman Ray
12. Vivax
13. Xatalos
14. batsnacks
15. Damdred
16. Palmar
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On July 23 2014 16:43 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 16:12 Navillus wrote:
Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable.
On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote.
Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush? Sure, sorry, I guess the style comes from more fsat phased video mafia.  Xatalos leaning scum, damdred had kind of a bad entrance to the thread and his posting since hasn't been so good that I'd put him higher. kush I have leaning town. He's posting some reads and pressuring people. Anyway, what's your read on Obi? The whole sheeping kush thing I did to apply som pressure, and imo he's reacting badly to it. I still stand by what I've said about him doing jack shit about providing any content, though, and him callin me a moron, retard and an idiot instead of giving reads or askng any relevant questions looks really bad for him.I want to see if he actually commits to calling me a moron for the rest of thr game, though.
His response to teemu reeks of anger, which is bad. It screams scum to me. But I don't have anything else to back the feeling up, so I can only wait and see his responses to other pressure and his general posting.
I certainly don't agree (as a town) with what obiwan is doing to react to teemu.
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On July 24 2014 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 09:51 HaruRH wrote:
I feel that xatalos is making a towncircle with koshi and all his 'gut townreads/don't want to lynch d1'. I don't like his interaction with koshi either. It is just straight up buddying.
Xatalos also immediately came out to present himself as town town town. Still weird. So is this scummy or not? Why can't you give a direct answer?
Its suspicious.
Not a scumtell at all. Just that people who are attempting to buddy up so early aren't up to any good.
They're going to nk all of us
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I think you misquoted something Haru..
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On July 24 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you misquoted something Haru..
Where
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On July 24 2014 00:44 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 23 2014 09:51 HaruRH wrote:
I feel that xatalos is making a towncircle with koshi and all his 'gut townreads/don't want to lynch d1'. I don't like his interaction with koshi either. It is just straight up buddying.
Xatalos also immediately came out to present himself as town town town. Still weird. So is this scummy or not? Why can't you give a direct answer? Its suspicious. Not a scumtell at all. Just that people who are attempting to buddy up so early aren't up to any good. They're going to nk all of us
I really don't know what's suspicious in buddying, so could you explain?
I do it all the time as town when there are players who i work with in a best way like that.
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Where have I called Xata town or defended him? Wot?
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