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##vote ObiWanShinobi | ||
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The type of rando matters. Cryptographically random randolynches are 100% certified legit. I propose we institute this method as an official standard for random lynch in Liquidian law. | ||
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Your rando lynch is not demonstrably cryptographically random and hence I reject it in favour of the cryptographically random one proposed by Blazinghand. | ||
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You're saying you get a free pass because no one lynches you?? | ||
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On July 16 2014 17:07 Blazinghand wrote: I... what? is there actually a person who doesn't know about doge? ok, i'll play along. in plain speech: i'm being sarcastic in the quoted post. It's doge meme. I don't think robik's defense i actually reasonable, i'm making fun of it. I was referring to robiks post as not making any point. Not yours, I get what you mean.  | ||
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BH RNGs robik to lynch, obi and me vote him to see what happens. robik becomes defensive and shouts that this is a bullshit lynch, it would be the first time he got mislynched (or lynched), and insults the people who voted him. BH thinks robik is really scum after those responses, which sounds like a scum getting randomly caught and raging. The implication being that a real town, secure in his innocence, wouldn't need to defend himself emotionally against what is essentially a nonsense lynch. Whereas a scum instinctively will protect himself strongly as scum are not expendable compared to town. I agree with that line of reasoning, but I want to confirm, BH, is that what you think too? Do you have anything else to add? | ||
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On July 17 2014 04:37 Snickers wrote: Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik. Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring. Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious. Explain? Or should I respond with "Anyway snickers is scum, so obvious"? Because your accusation is worse than BH's RNG. | ||
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On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak. Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate. And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .That is just weak. First your third one on the bandwagon theory is just wifom. Even if it were commonly accepted that those who jump in the middle were more scummy would scum not then game that? And as far as I can tell there is no evidence to suggest the alignment of players on a bandwagon based on time of jump and nor have you advanced your own theory. Second you dismiss me and obi's arguments as weak but did not even bother to explain. It seems to me your arguments are the weakest of all. And your defence that you were trying to get conversation going? There was already conversation going and your baseless accusations do not help. You look like someone who is trying to say something without saying anything. ##unvote ##vote snickers | ||
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On July 17 2014 14:22 kushm4sta wrote: not feeling good about this snickers lynch actually. ##unvote ##vote bh Ok but why BH? | ||
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The impression he had on me was of a scum raging because got caught randomly not of his fault. But it's just an impression and now I feel worse about snicker and his non arguments. | ||
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On July 17 2014 16:46 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So its time to start participatin as im done with three straight days of 10 hour days! Just from a quick read through, I really don't like obi, i read through his filter and felt that he didn't really contribute anything. The post where he goes how is your defense working, seemed really really whiny that your defense was working. I don't see obi and Robik being on the same team. If one was to flip green i would probably kill the other one. Your reads are confusing, so let me try to rephrase: 1) obi is scum because he did not contribute. 2) obi's 'how is robik's defense working' post seems like a scum expressing disappointment at the fact that robik got off the noose. 3) obi is on a different team to robik So doesn't that by logic mean robik is town? Or do you think that if obi flipped town despite your suspicions, then robik would be scum - but why? Why would obi being town make robik scum when you haven't stated what makes robik guilty? If your answer is that obi and robik are really at odds with each other and are unlikely to be on the same team, then that's not really an argument for obi-town implying robik-scum. Town doesn't know who else is town and it's very common to find 2 townies being mortal enemies. So the enemy of a townie isn't necessarily scum. | ||
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Second I do think MM1 is shady due to his weird post on robik and obi. I would lynch him if he gets more votes and time runs short otherwise its snicks for me. | ||
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On July 18 2014 05:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote: ##Vote:Obiwanshinobi forgot to bold it. I would like to add, i don't think Blazinghand as cop would claim in this situation. The reason being is that if there is a roleblocker/saver on the town side, or a roleblocker on the mafia side, he basically never gets a check. This whole entire game. Mafia can literally keep him alive until roleblocker gets lynched and then they kill BH in the night and he doesn't get any useful information. And why would you assume mafia has roleblock? I doubt town escort would roleblock the fakeclaim because countering and lynching would be better. This is random mafia, unless...you are scum and slipped? | ||
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Only one of them can be blue, and the other is VT or mafia. I doubt a VT fake counterclaiming because that just doesn't make sense. BH fakeclaiming blue as VT would be counterproductive, because a blue counterclaim would ensure a townie gets lynched, not a good idea. It's not certain that if BH is blue, that he actually is cop. He may be a non-cop blue pretending to be a cop to throw mafia off. That way, because he is the real blue, he's safe, but mafia are misled as to what town can do. Case 1: BH is blue, robik mafia Why would robik counterclaim as mafia? If he was mafia, and he got BH lynched and BH turned blue, then he's next. At the end of day 2 it would be 5-1 which is very town favoured. So I don't think that's likely. Case 2: BH is mafia, robik blue We can assume that BH was genuinely concerned that he would get lynched. So if he was mafia, either he gets lynched if he says nothing, or by fakeclaiming at least he has a chance of getting town to mislynch the actual blue. This might be the case, in which case we lynch BH. Case 3: BH is VT, robik blue It's not very possible to tell Case 2 from Case 3. I don't think BH would do something as dumb as VT fakeclaim blue, confusing town more than it confuses mafia. I think this isn't likely. So I think we lynch BH, as he's not likely to be blue or VT, and more likely a desperate mafia. ##unvote ##vote Blazinghand | ||
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On July 18 2014 15:17 Snickers wrote: Vote:Blazing Hand One down One to go. This game too ez. Here comes my night bullet. fix your ##vote syntax  | ||
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On July 18 2014 15:30 Blazinghand wrote: I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...) ugh ugh so ugh yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.- | ||
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Because when robik claimed blue the trolling hadn't started yet and I doubt robik set out to troll. | ||
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On July 18 2014 15:36 Blazinghand wrote: Why didn't robik claim blue when he was 1 vote away from being hammered for hours on end? Do you then think robik fakeclaimed to get back at you for RNGing him? Thinking this over again I feel robik played weird. Why, after barely not dying, dive into this fakeclaim shit again? Either robik is a blue with balls of steel (but then why spam) or he just sucks. | ||
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On July 18 2014 15:48 kushm4sta wrote: I really don't like this post. He writes a lot about some very obvious logic. He doesn't really think deeply about the reasons why robik's claim is probably not real. Looks like he just wants to put his vote down somewhere, whereas everyone else is trying to figure shit out. Plus nothing jumps out at me as especially townie in his filter. If I don't elaborate my logic then you say I am being vague and scumread me. I still think on the balance robik is actually blue. You don't like my read that's fine. But who do you think is the real blue? All you've done is snipe from the sidelines without giving reads. | ||
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On July 18 2014 16:03 kushm4sta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=gobbledydook this is gg's filter from his last scum game. he is plenty capable of making posts like that as scum. You have one game of me as mafia and none as town. I'm sure that's a very good representation of my meta. /s | ||
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On July 18 2014 16:17 kushm4sta wrote: This is something I see scum doing a lot. They make a big post defending themselves, then use their defense to justify a vote on someone. A defense of yourself isn't a reason why someone else is scum. Then at the end is the one justification of why snickers might be scum. It's an unspecific phrase that means nothing. The whole post is a refutation of his post showing why it is weak and you say I slip in a note at the end with the lynch. You need glasses. | ||
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On July 18 2014 16:23 kushm4sta wrote: so gg, because snickers's read is wrong he's scum? No, it's not only that it's wrong. Being wrong is fine, I'm probably wrong on some of my reads too, this being a 'guessing game of epic proportions'. But it's that he was offering one line posts (no effort), then trying to justify his no effort with a weak argument that therefore I refuted and used as evidence to vote him. Do note that this was in the first half of the first page of his filter. Since then he has contributed more, possibly because of the votes pressuring him. And then he does the weird fake claim shit, I mean wtf? I don't even know what to think of that. | ||
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On July 18 2014 16:29 kushm4sta wrote: Here he starts to OMGUS me. He did the same thing when fuba suspected him in detention mafia. It's true that you have sniped from the sidelines without giving reads on any of the 4 (fake)claims. You avoid my question. There's no pleasing you, good night. | ||
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Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik. Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring. Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious. f robik is mafia and his partner is one of the four that voted, this post is the best post in the game. Obi why are you doing scummy stuff. I retract some of my last statement but Obi unvoted in such a scummy way. Answering kush. Best as in people people read flipped scum filters and get fooled by them. Aka everyone lets lynch everyone who did not vote robik. such oneliner much content the shit in the middle before the post I quoted was buried in a mile of robik spam, tldr, seems to be some accusation of kushmasta that I missed. Sorry. | ||
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On July 18 2014 16:42 Snickers wrote: So in most of that post and it seems like you are trying to prove me wrong. I am thinking to myself, oh maybe he meant i was posting some one liners. Then you admit that you were wrong. Then apologize. I am puzzled. 1) When I made the post accusing you I had only noticed your one liners and they didn't sit well with me. 2) When I made the post I just skipped through the robik spam and missed your bigger posts. 3) Sorry for accusing you based on a premise that is false due to my mistake. | ||
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On July 18 2014 16:45 Snickers wrote: Idk not reading the whole thread, shows disinterest. and you voted me but did not read solely my filter . Sorry new to TL mafia (as you can see I have 1 game here and I got modkilled day 2), I don't use the filter as much as I should, I go with impressions a lot. | ||
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On July 18 2014 16:56 kushm4sta wrote: Gg you accused snickers of no effort after he had that long conversation with me and obi. I said I didn't see that inside the wall of robik spam | ||
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Now that I check his filter again it was on page 13 right at the end of the robik spam, but anyway I didn't read it before and now I did, I retract that accusation | ||
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BH flipped vet which is a case that I had dismissed as unlikely as I didn't think a non-blue would have any reason to counterclaim a blue. We now know MM1 was lying about his claim, and I still can't think of a reason a VT would do that. At least I could accept a case for scum trying to muddy the waters. So ##vote Mysterymeat1 In other news: I looked through obi's filter. I really like his posts and I think he's pretty town. First, he posts a lot and not just repeating himself, which scum would be less likely to do because more post -> more slip. Second, he has weighed in on many different candidates and called attention to the bad logic and wording of other players (including me). He has been instrumental in promoting discussion of issues that would otherwise have been ignored. Certainly is not something scum is likely to do. | ||
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On July 20 2014 09:40 Snickers wrote: Now, we need to all consider Robik here. If a town did this, wouldnt he be mod killed? Ok lets assume it is not but I still think if he was town he would get modkilled here. The first bold is so scummy. Like read that and make sense of it. Second bold is also scummy. Robik is a good player. Now what did he do that was super townie. He suggested that mm was trying to take bh's bullet. This is something that would not take a lot of brains to say but makes you look super townie. So others could have posted this. Overall, I waited and talked to bh for a while before voting him. I voted bh when I did cause I had to go to work and I had a strong feeling town would fuck up. Well whoever are the two town I am talking to YOU FUCKED UP SO BADLY DAY TWO. TIME IS SO FUCKING USEFUL IN THIS GAME. That is another reason robik should be killed. He hammered so fucking early. It is such a good play by scum. (at least we dont have power roles anymore that would make the two town players in here so terrible). Robik has been setting me up to look like complete shit with the obi kill and kush kill. And also he killed obi since only me and him did not vote. Ok last two sentences might be a bit off but I am in a rush. Which part exactly would get him modkilled? | ||
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What damdred did: he defends robik's rng lynch, gives some excuse for being inactive, then accuses snickers of being scummy because he doesn't respond directly to questions. Then he votes BH for not having any read other than rng. BH dies right before he could unvote, day 2 he hammers MM1, then day 3 is damdred twisting himself hard to apologize for lynching 2 towns. Here's my take on what damdred's thinking: damdred the scum wanted some town cred, so he makes the obvious defense of robik, forgoing the chance to hammer him day 1 as it would be very suspicious. Snicker attacks his lack of contribution, and damdred gives an excuse, anniversary with wife etc. We don't know if that was actually true, so let's assume it was the case and damdred was indeed busy. Then, feeling the need to 'contribute', he looks at the person who last attacked him, looks through his filter, and picks holes in it. Unfortunately the snickers bandwagon doesn't work and seeing a promising BH bandwagon hops on it with little explanation. He puts unvote after the hammer has hit to earn towncred for attempting to thwart the mislynch. Day 2 he hammers MM1 because it's a mislynch for the taking. Day 3, snickers presses him on the BH vote and MM1 vote. Now feeling that snickers is on to something, he tries to defend himself and apologise and bend over himself, but snickers smells scum and he panics. The impression is that he's only writing when being pressured, and otherwise trying to lay low. I'm not going to vote yet, I want to hear more from everyone first. | ||
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Town MVP: kushm4sta He was right on track, he had the gobbledydook/sylencia scumteam since day 1. Obviously I got rid of him. Mafia MVP: Everyone To be honest it's hard not to win as mafia when 4 towns claim blue first night. The mess meant town never got to discuss anything before lylo, and the bad blood that followed ensured the mafia win. | ||
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On July 21 2014 18:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i cant think of a single thing to say that isnt depressing. what an awful game. I feel you | ||
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On July 21 2014 18:06 Snickers wrote: .. Please explain where I was too sure of myself? When I hammered bh for not answering a question, and not trusting the town players. Then day two, 2/7 town players throw hard. Or when I was wanting to lynch the people willing to throw the game? How about talk about how I was the only one putting real effort into the game after day two. Least I actually participated in the game. Oi we mafias put real effort into messing you up! | ||
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On July 21 2014 18:45 Holyflare wrote: Also kush fu. Your sig screws up mobile version. it screws up all versions | ||
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how do I slip less as scum? | ||
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